[Gamelon]

K, I am actually leaving now. Will be keeping an eye on this though, methinks. I'm really curious to see how things fall.

[Alkend]

2 v 8 is what everyone was positing.

We started with 10.

Yeah, I'm not sure I'm ready to believe that setup.

[Alkend]

Serc, on 29 March 2017 - 09:41 PM, said:

Alkend, on 29 March 2017 - 09:39 PM, said:

Evil Coroner only acts if town Coroner is dead or guarded.

So, for Serc's hypothesis to be plausible, there'd have to be NO town coroner to start with. I.E., town would have started with no credible CF to begin with.

Which is believable as I could have stopped a kill on more than one occasion.

He would have to put extra roles to keep us guessing.

Or am I just thinking my role is more important than it is?

I dunno. We also don't know if Hanas, Kas or IE had any roles.

This is getting incredibly speculative, and we're not getting anywhere.

In the end, it'll still depend what Okaros thinks.

I'm torn between you and Game, since almost everything about how you're playing screams "not genuine" . But I think that about your play about 75% of the time (the other 25 I'm just baffled by it), so that doesn't mean anything.

[Alkend]

Anyway, I'm heading home. I'll check in after my game this evening, but the timeout isn't ibn the morning anymore, so I don't see any point in hurrying with a vote. Though, yeah, I'm still leaning towards Serc, because logic over gut.

Would like to hear from Okaros.

[Alkend]

If we assume Mac was killer, he'd have no way of knowing his symp was the CF (because the onl CF we had at that point was Hanas)

Which undermines the whole idea of Mac as symp self-hammering. Because why would a killer self-hammer?

Serc, you're throwing more weird random shit on thread, and it's not helping your case.

Okay, really out now.

[Gamelon]

Alkend, on 29 March 2017 - 10:15 PM, said:

Because why would a killer self-hammer?

Actually this is a really good point. Feck.

remove vote

[Serc]

It is a good point cause I don't see a killer suiciding. So I'm back to thinking he was a symp. Going to read through day one again and see why he did it.

[Okaros]

This post from yesterday is one of them that stands out to me the most when I take a step back from the Serc/Game cluster. It's a combination of three factors that are pinging the scumdar for me.

First, We all knew that there was real potential of yesterday being DDay, Alkend even mentions in the the post, and here he is testing the waters of a possible night vote after it was broached by Serc (whom I now believe to be true in his reveal).

Second, Alkend is stressing the doubt of the Serc reveal based on the timing of it happening on DDay. He was overlooking the rather obvious hints that Serc had been dropping ever since day two when Fandy false-revealed.

Third, the doubt expressed that Fandy/Macros was a symp.

Alkend, on 28 March 2017 - 04:02 PM, said:

Frankly, I remain unconvinced a symp would suicide like Mac did. I'm obviously skeptical about healing Hanas, but rthen again, it was Mac, and his gut takes him weird places

And the timing of Serc's reveal on potential D-day is suspicious as fuck.

I mean, it's based on a making a symp accusation, which is unprovable to begin with.

I'm tempted to take him up on his offer and vote night, just in case I am currently being an idiot who's buying into the Game & Mac's dog and pony show.

I find this post from early yesterday interesting due to the NK as well.

Alkend, on 29 March 2017 - 03:01 PM, said:

Incidentally, I confess to having a total blind spot for Bek, because he called out a few people on BS speculation about potential symp cases early on, thus sparing me having to do that, like - usually end up doing most games.

For that reason I had him down as likely town very early on and didn't look much his way. If I have time for a re-read tonight, I'll have to try to pay him closer attention.

Back from day 3, Alkend was the first to start stressing the Serc/Mockra combo. With the lynching of Mockra coming up innocent, I have a difficult time believing that Serc is not the actual Healer. Mainly due to the fact that as I explained with my vote yesterday, Serc's reveal didn't really help Serc at all. It was designed to help draw us away from Mockra. This late in the game, I don't believe that a killer would risk themselves to try to save a symp.

Additionally, I find Alkend's vote on the failed Fandy lynch nested in his own quote here, to be a very viable spot for a symp that knew he'd inherit the kill from his master that was drawing a reasonable amount of heat to be at.

Alkend, on 24 March 2017 - 03:33 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 23 March 2017 - 10:09 AM, said:

It is Day 1. 1 minute since time out


10 Players still alive: Alkend, Bek Okhan, Fanderay, Gamelon, Hanas, Iparth Erule, Kaschan, Mockra, Okaros, Serc

6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Gamelon ( Kaschan )
1 Vote for Mockra ( Fanderay )
5 Votes for Fanderay ( Bek Okhan, Iparth Erule, Alkend, Serc, Mockra )

Players not voted: Gamelon, Hanas, Okaros

---------

Day has timed out without a lynch. It is now night in the hospital.

Path-Shaper, on 23 March 2017 - 09:54 PM, said:

It is Day 2. 36 hours and 49 minutes remaining

9 Players still alive: Alkend, Bek Okhan, Fanderay, Gamelon, Iparth Erule, Kaschan, Mockra, Okaros, Serc

5 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Okaros ( Alkend )
5 Votes for Fanderay ( Serc, Kaschan, Mockra, Okaros, Fanderay )

Players not voted: Bek Okhan, Gamelon, Iparth Erule



Fanderay has been lynched. He was Macros, and Innocent.

Waiting on ST to resolve as I'm about to start work
-Mess

Now resolved
-ST

Here's the 2 trains. Serc and Mockra last 2 votes on Day 1, and then Mockra follows Serc again on Day2.

Serc's been pushy on Day 1, playing loose with his votes, as if he didn't really care who'd get lynched. But on Day 2, he was very quick to organize a train on a revealed healer.

vote Serc

[Okaros]

One last thing from Alkend that is sticking out for me at the moment.

Day one first post from Alkend is the type of thing I wouldn't be surprised to see come out of a promotable symp that knew he'd inherit the kill if the killer went down.

Alkend, on 20 March 2017 - 07:39 PM, said:

10 players, I'd assume 3 scum. No point in fretting over distribution now, just find the killer.

Now it's late for me, so I'm going to hit the sack. I'll be back on in 10 hours or so.

[Okaros]

Oh, if it's not abundantly clear, I'm leaning towards an Alkend vote. I think he was actively working yesterday to stir up the WIFOM in the Serc/Game/Mockra situation. I don't think he was the original killer, I think he inherited upon Fandy/Macros' death.

[Serc]

Re read with notes.

Alkend, on 21 March 2017 - 02:35 PM, said:

Serc, on 21 March 2017 - 10:27 AM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 21 March 2017 - 10:23 AM, said:

You're saying that Gamelon is the bad coroner?

Yes. The first to bring up a role, is usually that role. What do you think?

Only if we can't come up with anything better. There's a few people who adhere to this rule of thumb, but I've never been convinced it's actually statistically significant.

So this is Alkend early in day one defending Gamelon.

Now what had me looking at Gamelon was the early reaction to suspicion..

4 posts about it almost all together,

Gamelon, on 21 March 2017 - 03:28 PM, said:

Seriously though, if I get lynched because I talked about what was in the fucking OP, I may have a meltdown.

then the list, then the admission to the list, pre empting Bliss' scum love lists comments with

Gamelon, on 21 March 2017 - 03:55 PM, said:

Gamelon, on 21 March 2017 - 03:52 PM, said:

Serc, on 21 March 2017 - 03:46 PM, said:

Gamelon, on 21 March 2017 - 03:28 PM, said:

Seriously though, if I get lynched because I talked about what was in the fucking OP, I may have a meltdown.

Vote Gamelon for this over reaction. Jesus Christ

No, I'm serious though. Malazan Mafia is so predictable. Day 1 lynches are always because of one of three things:

1) Someone mentions a role, so they must have that role. (This is the fucking stupidest thing ever. You're right, it DOES happen now and again, but I bet that lynch is wrong more often than not)
2) Someone makes some kind of 'slip' and says the word scum instead of town or something along those lines. Against, most of the time, not actually indicative of scum.
3) Khell decides someone needs to be lynched and everyone follows him like the sheep they are.

So here's what I am gonna do - I'm gonna call out fucking idiocy right away. Lynch me for it, waste your power on idiocy. Hand the game to scum. I mean, I'd rather try to win, but if you're just here to piss on people fine.

Oh shit guys, I made a list, I must be scum!!!!

So it was quite jittery from him early in the day. From then he went a bit pyscho, compare that to how he has played day 3 and 4 where he is coherent and making cases and looking back. He is a completely different player.

...

[Serc]

So then Fanderay votes for me.

Fanderay, on 21 March 2017 - 04:54 PM, said:

Omgus
vote serc

Not Answering your questions?

I never said your vote lynched him, I asked you if you were seeking (probably suggested more than asked tbf) a handy day one lynch.
I was not defending him in any shape or form, if anyone did it's alkend.

I would like to point to out that mockra actually started the role spec and Gamelon was pacifying him so if anyone serc should have been voting mockra.
I would ace my vote there also

Says that Alkend may have defended Gamelon, yet then says Mockra should have been voted for not Gamelon. So here, he is labelling Alkend as a possible symp in his defense of Gam, but also defending Gam.

Clever. No one looks at Alkend from here, it is Mockra and Gamelon under the limelight.

[Serc]

Fanderay, on 21 March 2017 - 05:33 PM, said:

Exactly my second point serc.
Surely the role speculation vote should have been placed on Mockra. Why didn't you follow up on Kaschan vote unless you were reluctant to and so started spraying in Gamelon direction

Points further at Mockra and away from Gamelon, Alkend is once again left out of discussion.

[Serc]

Fanderay, on 21 March 2017 - 09:19 PM, said:

Gamelon, on 21 March 2017 - 05:09 PM, said:

Serc, on 21 March 2017 - 04:59 PM, said:

Mockra had a vote on him from Kaschan, so if I wanted a, what did you call it, a handy day one lynch then why not add to that vote?

Mockra talked about the killers yet Gamelon zoomed in on a particular role.

We don't even know if that role is in the game either!

Hey, let's not lie here. Mockra said a certain someone (we all know he was talking about Macros) was not going to be happy with the roles. I commented that none of the roles are non-standard except for the one non-standard role in the bunch. I all it non-standard because it's not in any of the Mafia 101 stuff, and, frankly, it's the first time I've seen such a role in over 100 games. I don't see how that is role speculation in any way, shape or form, nor is it implying that I think the role is IN the game.

But Serc made a slightly true comment about how I said something that could easily be misconstrued. I must be scum!!!

This post, it's been referenced already but I think it bears highlighting again if for no other reason than it's delicious irony.
Mockra doesn't mention or even handwave Macros' potential reaction to the set up it's a very clear and separate post in which Hanas basically says 'Mac is gona shit'. This kind of blatant mistake is the kind of thing that Macros loves to jump all over.

I feel, after another swift reread, that if Gamelon is scum then I would tether him to Alkend.


Edited for autocorrect shenanigans

Here we are again, painting Alkend as a symp.

[Serc]

Gamelon, on 22 March 2017 - 02:04 PM, said:

I should note, btw, that the 'case' on Mockra rests mostly on the fact that he was role speculating. HOWEVER, he was only role speculating about the scum team and didn't say a word about the town team. As townies, it behooves us to try and figure out how many scum there are so we have an idea of when D Day will be, how many people we have to lynch, etc. etc. etc., so I really don't like the Mockra vote.

Point against Gamelon I think. The whole Mockra vote was based off of this, and then off his voting but he was only originally painted as scum because of the role spec and Fanderay pushing it.

[Serc]

Alkend, on 22 March 2017 - 05:29 PM, said:

I don't like Gamelon's play. His posts are overly dramatic, without making any salient points. He questions everyone's cases, but has not placed his own vote. He's running up a post count, but says mostly nothing.

Basically, feels like he's symping and ought to be ignored.

Now Alkend defends Gamelon by giving him the symp label. We want to lynch killers not symps, so it basically gives Gamelon a pass.

[Serc]

Alkend, on 22 March 2017 - 06:03 PM, said:

Gamelon, on 22 March 2017 - 05:57 PM, said:

I am an annoying spaz. Better waste your vote on me!

Gamelon, on 22 March 2017 - 05:58 PM, said:

You certainly wouldn't want people to keep thinking that we're working together eh scum partner?

I think I'll put you on the ignore list until you come up with a case or place a vote. Then maybe you'll have something useful to say to the grown-ups.

Gamelon calls Alkend his scum partner, and Alkend's reaction is to put Gam on the ignore list. What is interesting here, is that Alkend does not return for 11 hours after this post.

Even though Okaros replies to his post, and Fanderay says this..

Fanderay, on 22 March 2017 - 06:30 PM, said:

That's twice now that Alkend has been deflecting attention from Gamelon. I'm going to go read over the thread again

If anything, he is saying that Gam is possible scum and Alkend is his symp.

[Serc]

Then Iparth votes Fanderay and so does Alkend, with no reason except to move the game forward.

Fanderay, on 23 March 2017 - 06:39 AM, said:

Iparth Stiles contribution is interesting.
Or not.
Talk a bout a drop in and drive by.
And alkends is just....

I'm not sure what I have to defend here, I've made my feelings clear, I think Mockra is suspicious and serc was deflecting from him.
I've noted Gamelons post that I didn't like and noted how Alkend seems to be massively deflecting for him. So for me it's a mockra or Gamelon vote today, but personally I think Mockra because Gamelon has been too verbose and visible of the (imo) two options

This looks like frustration of Alkend from Fand and he pushes the Mockra/Gamelon attention.

I don't see Fanderay being Gam's symp at this point.

[Serc]

Fanderay, on 23 March 2017 - 09:29 AM, said:

For fucksake.

There is most certainly scum on my train.

I am your healer.

The swing to me if Hella suspicious and is imo driven by deflection from either mockra or Gamelon.
As previously stated, one of those two is the lynch for today.
And we're the lynch for today since the early doors role spec by mockra and the misinformation post by Gamelon.

So to try and save himself he throws out his fake reveal and casts suspicion towards Mockra and Gamelon.

Now I have two theories here, the first being that my vote on Gamelon was enough for Fand to push at Mockra and tie Gamelon to Mockra's CF. The second being to create enough wifom for Alkend to get to this point and have the rest of the thread looking elsewhere.

[Serc]

Fanderay, on 23 March 2017 - 09:30 AM, said:

On the train I dislike Mockra the most (obviously) but Alkend has been racking up the symp points all day

Alkend labelled as symp yet again.