[Kaschan]

I'll have to take a concentrated look at the last couple of days before voting for either candidate. Finder reveals are different in Faction/higher-TMDI than in M&P, because of the WIFOM that's being discussed on thread.

Sorry for being so absent. Work is ramping up and I'll be out of state working Monday - Wednesday.

[Kaschan]

Calling somebody different names, eh? Noted.

[Kaschan]

I'm going to ask you all to wait a bit to lynch when we get back. Timer has 17 or so hours.

[Okaros]

12 hours ps said.

[Iparth Erule]

Kaschan, on 12 March 2017 - 05:10 AM, said:

I'm going to ask you all to wait a bit to lynch when we get back. Timer has 17 or so hours.

Umm, no. If you have something to say you were online before, say it then or now.

I don't see any advantage to town (beyond the usual everyone faffing till the last minute) that would justify you asking that we wait. Explain yourself.

[Kaschan]

Waiting on PS. They are on break since noon yesterday.

Do what you want, I just asked for a little patience. You want to lynch have at it, I'd assume town wants best lynch possible. I might be able to help.

[Okaros]

Kaschan, on 12 March 2017 - 04:33 PM, said:

Waiting on PS. They are on break since noon yesterday.

Do what you want, I just asked for a little patience. You want to lynch have at it, I'd assume town wants best lynch possible. I might be able to help.

Reveals are allowed as per OP

[Kaschan]

No reveal.

Bek was a healer and once he was recruited had no more Night Actions. He thought Okaros and Gamelon were town as they were provisional heals. Obed Marsh is mentioned as well as most likely the recruiter. Asked to know alt-name.

That does little to help town as it's all suspicions unless anyone knows something about the Obed Marsh name.

[Serc]

Kaschan, on 12 March 2017 - 05:49 PM, said:

No reveal.Bek was a healer and once he was recruited had no more Night Actions. He thought Okaros and Gamelon were town as they were provisional heals. Obed Marsh is mentioned as well as most likely the recruiter. Asked to know alt-name.That does little to help town as it's all suspicions unless anyone knows something about the Obed Marsh name.

Kaschan, we should all know that Obed Marsh is the other recruiter:

Path-Shaper, on 02 March 2017 - 06:43 PM, said:

Obed Marsh Leader of the Esoteric Order of DagonThe Esoteric Order of Dagon has secretly ruled the town of Innsmouth for decades. Though Obed usually likes to stay in the shadows, pulling strings as he sees fit, he is also aware that a leader from the Brotherhood of the Beast has moved into town and is openly trying to recruit the townspeople to their order. Obed refuses to allow such blatant poaching in his town, so he must come out of the shadows to fight off this cult. The whispers of the Deep Ones in the depths of his mind only serve to strengthen his resolve.

[Kaschan]

Well, that assumes I've been paying attention. Obviously that is not the case. Probably shouldn't have joined the game, didn't know I'd be slammed at work like this or that I'd be leaving the state for 3 days next week.

[Kaschan]

With all the roles it's possible we have someone who can find just role names.

[Serc]

Also, to help you out a bit, I'm the one that suggested that Obed step up and play like town (not necessarily reveal) to really help push for the lynching of the Beast Leader.

[Alkend]

Have a minute at work to continue my read on Gam and Hanas. Here's how they start D2. Some speculation as to roles and interestingly enough, both raise suspicion about Okaros who at this point was the only (now there's Serc as well) sure bet for non-recruiter:

Gamelon, on 08 March 2017 - 03:23 PM, said:

Well that's just swell. Aren't the investigators supposed to be the protagonist-y types in Cthulhu-related stuff?

Whatever happened to vigilante restraint?

Gamelon, on 08 March 2017 - 03:37 PM, said:

As I pointed out last night, Serc is also making a perfectly valid point. Nom even admitted that, yes, he picked only a part of the post to attack Serc for.

Hanas, on 08 March 2017 - 03:58 PM, said:

So we are going to have NKs in this game, I guess. That would make sense given that we have a character in the OP called "Quick Draw McGraw - The Vigilante". IIRC someone dropped an early vote on Fanderay accusing them of playing the way a scum would - might go back and see what they said.

Hanas, on 08 March 2017 - 04:10 PM, said:

Seems Okaros beat me to it. Thanks Okaros!

I'm initially a little suspicious of your Serc vote though, on the basis that you made yourself a big target for recruitment yesterday. Seems like there's a reasonable possibility you might have been recruited. Possibly trying to get out ahead of anything that might point to your new master?

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 12 hours remaining

9 Players still alive: Alkend, Gamelon, Hanas, Iparth Erule, Kaschan, Mockra, Okaros, Serc, Trake

5 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

3 Votes for Hanas ( Gamelon, Trake, Serc )
2 Votes for Gamelon ( Hanas, Mockra )

Players not voted: Alkend, Iparth Erule, Kaschan, Okaros

[Gamelon]

Morning all. Looks like we're now waiting for people to read up and make thief decisions.

I'll be working but checking the thread occasionally. If you have questions, ask

[Gamelon]

"thief" = "their"

[Hanas]

Similarly, I'm around if there's anything you want to know. At this point I don't think there are any arguments I can put forward that will be persuasive, but I'm happy to try!

[Okaros]

Without looking at the threats Gamelon has posted since this page. ("I have awesome abilities if you recruit me but I won't tell town now before I am recruited.") Here is how I see these back and forth's/reveals.

Gamelon does not explain his reveal which I understand to an extent.

Gamelon, on 10 March 2017 - 04:57 AM, said:

Hanas is a recruiter, Kaschan isn't
vote Hanas
Good night.

Hanas, on 10 March 2017 - 08:33 AM, said:

Gamelon, on 10 March 2017 - 04:57 AM, said:

Hanas is a recruiter, Kaschan isn't
vote Hanas
Good night.

WTF? I'm not a recruiter. I'm Veronica Day, the Town Gossip. Every night I can choose a player to have off-thread comms with the next day. Dunno where Gamelon is getting his info from, but it is NOT legit.

Why does it take Hanas so long to vote back if the information is wrong? I would have voted straight away and been angry at the fake reveal.

Now a Town Gossip having off-thread comms is more plausible than her being Finder in my opinion.

Hanas, on 10 March 2017 - 08:55 AM, said:

I'll be around more later, but for now:

Vote Gamelon

Hanas, on 10 March 2017 - 12:08 PM, said:

OK, so here's what happened.

My action is an NA. That means Day 1 I couldn't talk to anyone.

Night 1 I opened a connection with Bek Okhan. I chose BO quite early in the day because I was curious about their play and their hints about being roled. When I saw there was a chance he might be lynched, I added a backup of Fanderay (which would not have gone well!).

Day 2 I was talking with BO. He was pretty cagey about revealing information about his role, so I didn't find out very much useful. But I didn't get a recruiter vibe from him so I tried to push the thread away from lynching him. Turns out he was Cult anyway (something I was not expecting when I saw the CF!), but he wasn't a recruiter so I feel at least a little bit vindicated in my instincts.

Now, here's the interesting bit: Night 2 I opened a connection to Gamelon! (I wish I'd opened it to someone else so he could corroborate my story...). He had been sliding through without much attention on him and I hoped I could get a better read with off-thread comms. I was certainly not expecting a shitstorm like this to break out as a result - I didn't even have a chance to send him anything before he was accusing me on thread.

Sadly there's not very much there that can corroborate my story (since I highly doubt Gamelon is going to back me up here). But it's all I've got.

Yet this bullshit sequence of events. There is no way you are picking to have off thread comms with Bek Okhan on day one, no way at all. Fanderay I can understand, or any of the higher posters because you know you are going to get responses. Gamelon is an understandable choice from night 2 but I do not see how off thread comm's help town over a finder role.

Gamelon, on 10 March 2017 - 12:25 PM, said:

Simple. I'm a finder. Dunno what the PI's role was, but that's mine. I'm told if my target is a recruiter or not.

Day 1 I was suspicious of Kas, as you can see if you go back that far. He came back negative.

Yesterday I put in a find on Hanas (for meta reasons), and it came back as a recruiter.

With the WCS numbers being 5:3:2, I figured I didn't have long before I could be recruited, so no point in hiding info that can help town now. If I get recruited, there's still a 1/5 chance of getting the other leader tomorrow.

I'm running off to work, more in about 90 min

This reveal is well better than Hanas'. It makes me want to vote Hanas straight away.

Hanas, on 10 March 2017 - 01:13 PM, said:

Gamelon, on 10 March 2017 - 12:25 PM, said:

Simple. I'm a finder. Dunno what the PI's role was, but that's mine. I'm told if my target is a recruiter or not.

Day 1 I was suspicious of Kas, as you can see if you go back that far. He came back negative.

Yesterday I put in a find on Hanas (for meta reasons), and it came back as a recruiter.

With the WCS numbers being 5:3:2, I figured I didn't have long before I could be recruited, so no point in hiding info that can help town now. If I get recruited, there's still a 1/5 chance of getting the other leader tomorrow.

I'm running off to work, more in about 90 min

Notice how Gamelon has not revealed his role name here. That's because he has tried to design his reveal in such a way that it doesn't get challenged. If he were town, he'd be able to indicate which of the characters listed on Page 1 he is. The fact he didn't put it in should make it obvious that he's a cult leader - he doesn't have a name he can safely reveal.

If a recruiter is pulling this sort of tactic, it's probably because they think they've got the game won. As Serc has pointed out, if we lynch wrong today then the Brotherhood of the Beast could have a majority. So I reckon Gamelon is Nyarlathotep and he's trying to win the game by controlling the thread to avoid lynching one of his minions.

Now Hanas points to the role name as an indication that Gamelon is not who he says he is. Now, when Hanas replied earlier with his role name and potential role, why did Gamelon not call him out for it? If I am Veronica day and Hanas reveals my name, that would be the first thing I would be pointing out to people.

Gamelon, on 10 March 2017 - 02:03 PM, said:

I did not use my name since I assumed that'd be modkillable (y'know, it being part of the role PM and all). You'll notice that Okaros and Serc didn't name themselves either. But PS now tells m it's ok.

If you want my name... well, you're very clever, using my name, Hanas. Only in the lovely list of roles PS gave us there's no description of "make lover connections with others"

Of course, I know another piece of info about the set-up (it comes from what my role changes to if I'm recruited), but town is best off lynching me rather than having the recruiters hear it.

In fact, if we still have a vig, i'd suggest they use it on me tonight. Me being dead is much worse for cult than for the town.

It is like Gamelon has only just realised Hanas used Veronica Day as his name. Then the next line he says something a) he cannot prove and b/ making himself look important for the recruiters

They are both untrustworthy, both of their reveals have holes in them.

What I am thinking at the moment is a couple of scenarios.

Gamelon was recruited by Hanas night one and night two recruited by Kaschan.

Gamelon tried to recruit Hanas and failed. Now he thinks Hanas is the other recruiter.

Gamelon is a finder and found Hanas.


How many other scenarios can you think of?


The problem with this, is they are both claiming to be Veronica Day. I do not see day having a recruit proof. So number two is ruled out.

I think most scenarios point at Hanas being a recruiter.

[Okaros]

So as Gamelon revealed straight away from the day I took a little look at the end of the previous day. We had the vote on Gamelon from Mockra. I doubt Gamelon panicked enough to reveal early next day though.

Mockra, on 09 March 2017 - 08:04 PM, said:

So I reread the low posters, and while Bek and IE aren't posting as much, they are making clear opinions.

It's not a great case, but I think Okaros seems to have gotten a bit chummy with Gamelon. I don't like the way he left him out of his summary.

I'm going to
vote Gamelon for now.

I'm curious about what others think of him. I will switch to get a lynch though.

Then this,

Hanas, on 09 March 2017 - 10:31 PM, said:

Seems pretty nailed on that it's going to be BO today from the looks of that vote count. There were other lynches I would have preferred (Mockra and Trake were my top suspects), but it's essential in my mind that we lynch today and I can see the argument behind voting for him. Will be able to read the thread for next couple of hours but probably won't be able to post very much, so I'll make sure if my vote is needed that I put it down before I go to bed.

If Hanas recruited BO, which is possible, then this post is interesting. Not only would he want to keep Bek alive but he thinks the "other recruiter" is in the pool of Mockra and Trake. Telling his minions who to go after the next day?

[Okaros]

Vote Hanas


I think I have settled on him.