[bubba]

I'm going to pull my vote on HD. My case on him is utter shite and I don't want to see a townie lynched off because of a case based on a gut feeling. I will hold my vote for now. But I'm still put off by macs playing and the way Kell seams to be made of Teflon.

remove vote

[Siergiej]

Been doing a read on HD. Can someone who has played more games with him confirm if fence sitting is actually his play style? This is how he jumps on the Khell train:

HoosierDaddy, on 21 February 2017 - 02:09 AM, said:

Alright, I have it at 4x4x1: JPK, Khell, Blend.

I'll stick around for a bit but I always lay a vote down before I go to bed for the most part.

Seems to me as if there is an intractable group of 3 voters, while others might see reason. I think it's best to relieve this situation now, but I don't necessarily agree with the tactics.

For now:

Vote Khellenderos

This is after roughly a million posts about nothing or asking what's up with the whole Khell train. HD hedges this stance further right here:

HoosierDaddy, on 21 February 2017 - 04:04 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 21 February 2017 - 04:00 PM, said:

HoosierDaddy, on 21 February 2017 - 03:52 PM, said:

Also, if my partner self-voted to put themselves at L-1 I'd be blowing them up in PMs to Path Shaper, lol.

Yes but look at what Blend just said about your possible cf, has you as PI. Just a thought but 3 votes went down on Khell quite quick after his vote of JPK and Bubba was the one to start that. If JPK comes back as scum, you'd be who I would look at first.

Fair enough.

But, in context, my vote still isn't really for Khell. It's more for alleviating the clusterfuck on thread.

Tehn on D2 he promises a read on me, Bubba, and Ando. This read never materializes.

HD does what I like to do when I'm scum - claim the lynch train is stupid and misguided and then drop an oh well vote. I'd like to hear what others think about that.

[Khellendros]

HD tended to be a middle-to-lower poster from what I remember...but the few times he has played recently he's also often ended up dying very early on

From my perspective the fence-sitting seemed pretty sensible, though obviously I didn't like him jumping on me at the end. But his reason for doing so was as good as anyone else's.

[Siergiej]

Ando hasn't produced much content and I'd like to see more from him. He was mostly annoyed with Blend (no way) and has turned his attention towards Khell in D2. Which is similar to what I have done, so I can hardly consider that very scummy. Though the reason why Ando is going after Khell is far reaching:

Andorion, on 22 February 2017 - 09:51 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 20 February 2017 - 05:09 PM, said:

I know I say this every game and so it somewhat loses its value, but:

Lynching me would be a mistake.

Also killing me would be a mistake.


Instead, I propose an experiment: lynch Blend or Tatts and see if their heads literally explode. Blend, Tatts, we'll require a live video feed.

Hang on a second...

That comment about lynching is fine given Blend pushing, but why is Khell thinking in terms of killing?

Only a killer worries about killing.

Ergo Khell is scum

Now that I've read up on the three that I was missing from my radar, I would add HD to my suspicion list. Andorion has been lying low which is interesting, but there are better leads for now. Bubba seemed genuine when going after Khell for the 'so-called slip' even if it was a weaksauce case.

I would like to test one of my theories. I kind of feel like the one about Khell is better, but in case I'm wrong, we're better off having Mess' CF - because this will only leave three people from the Khell's train in play. I'm heading to bed soon, should be up shortly before timeout. For now:

vote Messremb

[Khellendros]

Siergiej, on 22 February 2017 - 11:52 PM, said:

Ando hasn't produced much content and I'd like to see more from him. He was mostly annoyed with Blend (no way) and has turned his attention towards Khell in D2. Which is similar to what I have done, so I can hardly consider that very scummy. Though the reason why Ando is going after Khell is far reaching:

Andorion, on 22 February 2017 - 09:51 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 20 February 2017 - 05:09 PM, said:

I know I say this every game and so it somewhat loses its value, but:

Lynching me would be a mistake.

Also killing me would be a mistake.


Instead, I propose an experiment: lynch Blend or Tatts and see if their heads literally explode. Blend, Tatts, we'll require a live video feed.

Hang on a second...

That comment about lynching is fine given Blend pushing, but why is Khell thinking in terms of killing?

Only a killer worries about killing.

Ergo Khell is scum

Now that I've read up on the three that I was missing from my radar, I would add HD to my suspicion list. Andorion has been lying low which is interesting, but there are better leads for now. Bubba seemed genuine when going after Khell for the 'so-called slip' even if it was a weaksauce case.

I would like to test one of my theories. I kind of feel like the one about Khell is better, but in case I'm wrong, we're better off having Mess' CF - because this will only leave three people from the Khell's train in play. I'm heading to bed soon, should be up shortly before timeout. For now:

vote Messremb

But what are you suggesting here? If Mess turns up town, lynch the next person on the train? Then the next? And the next? What if I'm scum and they're all townies? Yes, I am town, but you can't be sure of that unless you're scum. But here your reason for voting Mess appears to be even if it comes up town, it whittles down the list.

Now, the idea itself - that there's at least one scum on my train - is definitely viable and something I believe too. So I don't take issue with that. But the way you have presented it here seems odd, it seems to be taking for granted that I am town (and yes, I realise you have said you're suspicious of me too, but your reasoning for voting Mess only works if you believe I am town).

[bubba]

Khellendros, on 23 February 2017 - 12:02 AM, said:

Siergiej, on 22 February 2017 - 11:52 PM, said:

Ando hasn't produced much content and I'd like to see more from him. He was mostly annoyed with Blend (no way) and has turned his attention towards Khell in D2. Which is similar to what I have done, so I can hardly consider that very scummy. Though the reason why Ando is going after Khell is far reaching:

Andorion, on 22 February 2017 - 09:51 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 20 February 2017 - 05:09 PM, said:

I know I say this every game and so it somewhat loses its value, but:

Lynching me would be a mistake.

Also killing me would be a mistake.


Instead, I propose an experiment: lynch Blend or Tatts and see if their heads literally explode. Blend, Tatts, we'll require a live video feed.

Hang on a second...

That comment about lynching is fine given Blend pushing, but why is Khell thinking in terms of killing?

Only a killer worries about killing.

Ergo Khell is scum

Now that I've read up on the three that I was missing from my radar, I would add HD to my suspicion list. Andorion has been lying low which is interesting, but there are better leads for now. Bubba seemed genuine when going after Khell for the 'so-called slip' even if it was a weaksauce case.

I would like to test one of my theories. I kind of feel like the one about Khell is better, but in case I'm wrong, we're better off having Mess' CF - because this will only leave three people from the Khell's train in play. I'm heading to bed soon, should be up shortly before timeout. For now:

vote Messremb

But what are you suggesting here? If Mess turns up town, lynch the next person on the train? Then the next? And the next? What if I'm scum and they're all townies? Yes, I am town, but you can't be sure of that unless you're scum. But here your reason for voting Mess appears to be even if it comes up town, it whittles down the list.

Now, the idea itself - that there's at least one scum on my train - is definitely viable and something I believe too. So I don't take issue with that. But the way you have presented it here seems odd, it seems to be taking for granted that I am town (and yes, I realise you have said you're suspicious of me too, but your reasoning for voting Mess only works if you believe I am town).

That does look shifty a hell.

[HoosierDaddy]

Okay, I just got back. It's been a long day. I'll catch up while eating and add thoughts.

Expect posting while reading, so some things might have changed or been clarified.

[Mentalist]

Bubba, on 22 February 2017 - 02:49 PM, said:

Bubba, on 20 February 2017 - 06:58 PM, said:

Mentalist, on 20 February 2017 - 06:53 PM, said:

Bubba, on 20 February 2017 - 04:30 PM, said:

Itwæs Nom, on 20 February 2017 - 04:23 PM, said:

Messremb, on 20 February 2017 - 04:21 PM, said:

Itwæs Nom, on 20 February 2017 - 04:20 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 20 February 2017 - 04:16 PM, said:

4 anons, who are they Bubba?

The brave ones.

Not brave enough to get naked with Tatts.

Perhaps wise is a better term?

Those have run away long ago

Years ago before I became an admin I caught too players cheating using the PS powers( they PMed me by accident). It sucked and ruined Mafia for me for a long time. When I became an admin, I swore to myself never to abuse those powers in game or on the boards in general. And I never have. And no those two don't play anymore.

Except that time in TLDMS when you made a post in my alt while I was supposed to be dead.

????

mod power abuse. Don't think I've forgotten

I don't remember what game that was. And why did you edit my post?

I' meant to reply. but sometimes when i'm in a hurry (and on my phone). I press "edit" instead of "reply". Only works in the mafia forum, which is probably why I don't notice it. My bad.

T.L.D.M.S. or "These Letters Don't Mean Shit" was a holiday game you and Bent ran where the only scum was PS and the only way to win was to vote PS. You kept killing and resurrecting people at random for shits and giggles.

[HoosierDaddy]

Also, because I signed in by phone this morning to post about my fun travels, I guess I'm naked.

[bubba]

Mentalist, on 23 February 2017 - 12:21 AM, said:

Bubba, on 22 February 2017 - 02:49 PM, said:

Bubba, on 20 February 2017 - 06:58 PM, said:

Mentalist, on 20 February 2017 - 06:53 PM, said:

Bubba, on 20 February 2017 - 04:30 PM, said:

Itwæs Nom, on 20 February 2017 - 04:23 PM, said:

Messremb, on 20 February 2017 - 04:21 PM, said:

Itwæs Nom, on 20 February 2017 - 04:20 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 20 February 2017 - 04:16 PM, said:

4 anons, who are they Bubba?

The brave ones.

Not brave enough to get naked with Tatts.

Perhaps wise is a better term?

Those have run away long ago

Years ago before I became an admin I caught too players cheating using the PS powers( they PMed me by accident). It sucked and ruined Mafia for me for a long time. When I became an admin, I swore to myself never to abuse those powers in game or on the boards in general. And I never have. And no those two don't play anymore.

Except that time in TLDMS when you made a post in my alt while I was supposed to be dead.

????

mod power abuse. Don't think I've forgotten

I don't remember what game that was. And why did you edit my post?

I' meant to reply. but sometimes when i'm in a hurry (and on my phone). I press "edit" instead of "reply". Only works in the mafia forum, which is probably why I don't notice it. My bad.

T.L.D.M.S. or "These Letters Don't Mean Shit" was a holiday game you and Bent ran where the only scum was PS and the only way to win was to vote PS. You kept killing and resurrecting people at random for shits and giggles.

[bubba]

We did run some fun games back then. My fav was when I made everyone a symp to person before them on the player list.

[HoosierDaddy]

Messremb, on 22 February 2017 - 07:09 AM, said:

Bubba, on 22 February 2017 - 03:29 AM, said:

Messremb, on 22 February 2017 - 03:13 AM, said:

Is that some sort of American sport guff or signalling?

Yawning....bored

Now I'm home I can do a decent non-mobile search and figure it is the "Indianapolis Colts" who play American Football. You could have just said that rather than being snarky. I CBA to figure out if they're any good.

Also, American Football is weird.

Colts and Patriots (Bubba's team) are like Barcelona/Real Madrid, with the Colts being more like Valencia than either one of those two teams the past couple of years.

Also, you're weird!

[Mentalist]

Bubba, on 22 February 2017 - 09:26 PM, said:

Andorion, on 22 February 2017 - 09:51 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 20 February 2017 - 05:09 PM, said:

I know I say this every game and so it somewhat loses its value, but:

Lynching me would be a mistake.

Also killing me would be a mistake.


Instead, I propose an experiment: lynch Blend or Tatts and see if their heads literally explode. Blend, Tatts, we'll require a live video feed.

Hang on a second...

That comment about lynching is fine given Blend pushing, but why is Khell thinking in terms of killing?

Only a killer worries about killing.

Ergo Khell is scum

Is it possible that the killers don't know each other in this game?

That would not really be M&P. we recently had a game like that, and that fucked everyone up and allowed Maccy to coast to victory as second scum who unknowingly made a case on his teammate Day1

[Siergiej]

@Khell:

Actually, you're right, at least to a degree. I now realize I made a mistake earlier on and assumed Mess' lynch would only leave two people from the original train on you alive. Then in my post with the vote on Messremb I correctly wrote that it's 3, but I didn't register the change in my head at all. So indeed there wouldn't be a significant benefit to Mess' CF over yours.

Where you're not right is that I would only vote Mess if I believed you're Town. That's not true - I have two theories and I find each plausible, but I also freely admitted they're mutually exclusive. If you're a Killer, then I don't think Mess is. If Mess is a Killer, then there's slightly bigger chance you are as well than the other way around, but it's still unlikely.

I'm falling asleep at my desk and Khell's intervention against a vote for someone else (even though he was the alternative) makes me reluctant to switch or remove. Will be back tomorrow morning.

See ya!

P.S. @Ment: Mac and Tatts knew about each other in that game, they just had no comms. Mac lead a lynch on Tatts with a smile on his face, fully aware he's killing his partner

[Mentalist]

Al I remember was that it was me, Mac and (I think) JPK in the end, and while I was considering that Maccy played us the whole game, the other totally believed mac and voted me for the town loss.

I finished the catch-up (didn't take long). Now I'll try to do a reread, and see what jumps out before I go for a swim and think it over.

[HoosierDaddy]

Andorion, on 22 February 2017 - 09:51 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 20 February 2017 - 05:09 PM, said:

I know I say this every game and so it somewhat loses its value, but:

Lynching me would be a mistake.

Also killing me would be a mistake.


Instead, I propose an experiment: lynch Blend or Tatts and see if their heads literally explode. Blend, Tatts, we'll require a live video feed.

Hang on a second...

That comment about lynching is fine given Blend pushing, but why is Khell thinking in terms of killing?

Only a killer worries about killing.

Ergo Khell is scum

Nah, this is Khell being Khell. Anything bad for Khell is bad for everyone because Khell.

[bubba]

HoosierDaddy, on 23 February 2017 - 12:38 AM, said:

Messremb, on 22 February 2017 - 07:09 AM, said:

Bubba, on 22 February 2017 - 03:29 AM, said:

Messremb, on 22 February 2017 - 03:13 AM, said:

Is that some sort of American sport guff or signalling?

Yawning....bored

Now I'm home I can do a decent non-mobile search and figure it is the "Indianapolis Colts" who play American Football. You could have just said that rather than being snarky. I CBA to figure out if they're any good.

Also, American Football is weird.

Colts and Patriots (Bubba's team) are like Barcelona/Real Madrid, with the Colts being more like Valencia than either one of those two teams the past couple of years.

Also, you're weird!

And where me and HD differ is, I will always admit that Peyton Manning (QB for the Colts) was one of the greatest QBs of all time. And may have out shined Tom Brady(QB for the Pats) if the ownership of the colts had provided the team he needed to succeed. IMHO Tom Brady is the greatest QB of all time because of his talents and the backing he had from the Kraft organisation(owners of the Pats) and the greatest coach of all time(IMHO) Bill Belichick, to provide him with the team he needed to win.

edit:spelng

[HoosierDaddy]

Blend, on 22 February 2017 - 04:06 PM, said:

Hey guys,

Lots on my plate for work today, so I'll have to be a lot less loquacious today.

That being said, I still feel that a Khell lynch is the right choice. I am NOT a fan of how much resistance there was to lynching him yesterday, and find that very suspect. I was very surprised by the Tatts kill. I mean, Tatts and Macros are the only other two that I went after yesterday, you'd think that scum would have left them around to keep me off their tails.

Anyway, I'm reevaluating my position on a couple of people.

Messremb sort of disappeared during the second half of Day 1, and that rubs me the wrong way.

I don't really feel like HD is scum, so I'm not putting much stock into Bubba's case.

And then I don't have much of a read on Siergiej, or Nom really... All I can remember about Nom is that he was ignoring me for a while yesterday. So I think I'll be trying to keep an eye on their activity.

I still feel like a

vote Khellendros

is necessary, however.

First underline: Why?

Second underline: Really? Come on, Blend.

[Mentalist]

Khellendros, on 20 February 2017 - 05:20 PM, said:

I like how Mess is egging on suggestions for every possible candidate named, including a few he's pointed at himself. I'm going to say symp identified, case closed on that chestnut.

Are you any closer to suggesting who he's symping?

I'm on Page of the re-read, and so far it seems like him and Blend are saying pretty much identical things about you. In fact, Mess was joking more about lynching you than Blend, early on.

[HoosierDaddy]

Blend, on 22 February 2017 - 04:23 PM, said:

I still don't understand this blind rage thing.

I stand by the fact that that was a fantastic Day 1, and that there is now a TON of information on thread that wouldn't have been there if I hadn't done what I did.

Well, you managed to create a bunch of shit cases. I don't think you are a killer, that's way too ballsy play. But the idea of you as symp makes a lot of sense. Problem is, you literally symped the entire thread other than Khell.