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#341 User is offline   JPK 

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Posted 20 February 2017 - 08:14 PM

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View PostJPK, on 20 February 2017 - 07:51 PM, said:

I don't have one because I'm not scum? Look, if I go down come back to this post and look at who has been pushing my lynch. I will guarantee at least one scum will have been on my lynch train by now.


Look at the three and tell us what you think?



You already know what i think. Khell. Khell. Khell. I've already put my words there.

Macros and Nom both have a tendency to lean scum where I'm concerned. Let me look more closely at both of them, but it'll have to wait until after I put the baby down for her nap in about 45 minutes. You should be able to expect me back in around an hour to hour and a half.
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Posted 20 February 2017 - 08:15 PM

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View PostHoosierDaddy, on 20 February 2017 - 08:05 PM, said:

I see what you are getting at, but it'd be one hell of a ballsy play as scum to do this. I don't know, I guess I just don't get how Khell could have been so bad as town that he is as you state, being tunnel visioned by players.


Let me paint a (completely hypothetical) picture.

Khell gets to DDay as a townie. He then spends the day reanalyzing everything. Because Khell is well-spoken and well-reasoned, everyone tends to listen to him. He then makes a small mistake and lynches the townie who's been trying desperately to make him realize that they're on the same team, because one of the scum team members has convinced him, or he just doesn't like that one thing the townie did on Day 1 or 2, and then he loses the game for us.

That's what happens about 88.7% of the time Khell the townie makes it to DDay.

Lynching Khell now is just a safe way to ensure he doesn't get to sink us in endgame.


Same reasoning as Kitsu's Macros bait, except that I don't actually recall this happening at all with Khell over the time I've been playing while Macros has actually done it on multiple occasions. Got any examples?
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Posted 20 February 2017 - 08:17 PM

View PostBlend, on 20 February 2017 - 08:10 PM, said:

View PostHoosierDaddy, on 20 February 2017 - 08:05 PM, said:

I see what you are getting at, but it'd be one hell of a ballsy play as scum to do this. I don't know, I guess I just don't get how Khell could have been so bad as town that he is as you state, being tunnel visioned by players.


Let me paint a (completely hypothetical) picture.

Khell gets to DDay as a townie. He then spends the day reanalyzing everything. Because Khell is well-spoken and well-reasoned, everyone tends to listen to him. He then makes a small mistake and lynches the townie who's been trying desperately to make him realize that they're on the same team, because one of the scum team members has convinced him, or he just doesn't like that one thing the townie did on Day 1 or 2, and then he loses the game for us.

That's what happens about 88.7% of the time Khell the townie makes it to DDay.

Lynching Khell now is just a safe way to ensure he doesn't get to sink us in endgame.


I will take that percentage with the degree of solemnity Mafia statistics usually convey.
Trouble arrives when the opponents to such a system institute its extreme opposite, where individualism becomes godlike and sacrosanct, and no greater service to any other ideal (including community) is possible. In such a system rapacious greed thrives behind the guise of freedom, and the worst aspects of human nature come to the fore....
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Posted 20 February 2017 - 08:18 PM

View PostHoosierDaddy, on 20 February 2017 - 08:17 PM, said:

View PostBlend, on 20 February 2017 - 08:10 PM, said:

View PostHoosierDaddy, on 20 February 2017 - 08:05 PM, said:

I see what you are getting at, but it'd be one hell of a ballsy play as scum to do this. I don't know, I guess I just don't get how Khell could have been so bad as town that he is as you state, being tunnel visioned by players.


Let me paint a (completely hypothetical) picture.

Khell gets to DDay as a townie. He then spends the day reanalyzing everything. Because Khell is well-spoken and well-reasoned, everyone tends to listen to him. He then makes a small mistake and lynches the townie who's been trying desperately to make him realize that they're on the same team, because one of the scum team members has convinced him, or he just doesn't like that one thing the townie did on Day 1 or 2, and then he loses the game for us.

That's what happens about 88.7% of the time Khell the townie makes it to DDay.

Lynching Khell now is just a safe way to ensure he doesn't get to sink us in endgame.


I will take that percentage with the degree of solemnity Mafia statistics usually convey.


I mean, I did say "ABOUT" 88.7%.
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Posted 20 February 2017 - 08:19 PM

I'm gonna
vote JPK

for now. There's an actual case for this lynch, and if Khell is wrong, we can go back and lynch him tomorrow.
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And I want to state that Ment has out-weaseled me by far in this game.
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Posted 20 February 2017 - 08:19 PM

View PostHoosierDaddy, on 20 February 2017 - 08:05 PM, said:

View PostTattersail_, on 20 February 2017 - 07:54 PM, said:

remove vote

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This tunnel vision is grating and is easy to play off day 2 if Khell comes back innocent.

Fine you think Khell is scum, what do you make of the rest of the players?


I see what you are getting at, but it'd be one hell of a ballsy play as scum to do this.


Doesn't seem that ballsy considering all the stuff that's been spouted today and how many people followed/ have been following the approach.
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Posted 20 February 2017 - 08:22 PM

View PostItwęs Nom, on 20 February 2017 - 08:19 PM, said:

View PostHoosierDaddy, on 20 February 2017 - 08:05 PM, said:

View PostTattersail_, on 20 February 2017 - 07:54 PM, said:

remove vote

Vote blend


This tunnel vision is grating and is easy to play off day 2 if Khell comes back innocent.

Fine you think Khell is scum, what do you make of the rest of the players?


I see what you are getting at, but it'd be one hell of a ballsy play as scum to do this.


Doesn't seem that ballsy considering all the stuff that's been spouted today and how many people followed/ have been following the approach.


Sometimes it's good to be unfettered from the past. Plus it's only 3 people. I think Bubba is a little more fluid, but he can speak for himself.
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Posted 20 February 2017 - 08:23 PM

View PostHoosierDaddy, on 20 February 2017 - 08:22 PM, said:

View PostItwęs Nom, on 20 February 2017 - 08:19 PM, said:

View PostHoosierDaddy, on 20 February 2017 - 08:05 PM, said:

View PostTattersail_, on 20 February 2017 - 07:54 PM, said:

remove vote

Vote blend


This tunnel vision is grating and is easy to play off day 2 if Khell comes back innocent.

Fine you think Khell is scum, what do you make of the rest of the players?


I see what you are getting at, but it'd be one hell of a ballsy play as scum to do this.


Doesn't seem that ballsy considering all the stuff that's been spouted today and how many people followed/ have been following the approach.


Sometimes it's good to be unfettered from the past. Plus it's only 3 people. I think Bubba is a little more fluid, but he can speak for himself.


I am legit laugh-crying over here. HD is giving Khell exactly what he wants - the wedge he needs to turn the thread.

Just remember this moment, HD, when Khell ends up being scum and you didn't fucking lynch him on Day 1.
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Posted 20 February 2017 - 08:27 PM

It's Day 1. This is how I play. I'm still squarely on the fence until I'm not. Just my style.
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Posted 20 February 2017 - 08:31 PM

View PostHoosierDaddy, on 20 February 2017 - 08:27 PM, said:

It's Day 1. This is how I play. I'm still squarely on the fence until I'm not. Just my style.


That's funny, you seem pretty squarely off the fence to me.
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I'm just going to have to come to terms with the fact that self-vote suiciding will forever be referred to as "pulling a JPK" now, aren't I? ~ JPK
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Posted 20 February 2017 - 08:33 PM

That might be because the case is not really a case there, so I'm asking questions. The other ones I get their reasoning, even if it's typical day 1 stuff.
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Posted 20 February 2017 - 08:34 PM

View PostBlend, on 20 February 2017 - 07:55 PM, said:

I choose not to comment on any other players until Khell has been lynched.

I have some ideas, and reactions to everything that has happened so far today are certainly interesting, but none of it matters as long as Khell is still alive.

To reiterate, lynch Khell. It's what's best for all of us.


So based on this I assume that there are some things that you find more-or-less scummy, yet you'd still prefer to lynch Khell, is there, then, anything you find scummy about him?

Unlike you I'm here to get scum, not Khell. This game is not taking others for word. If Khell is scum you've, so far, made just as shitty job at this game as everyone else has.
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Posted 20 February 2017 - 08:39 PM

View PostItwęs Nom, on 20 February 2017 - 08:34 PM, said:

View PostBlend, on 20 February 2017 - 07:55 PM, said:

I choose not to comment on any other players until Khell has been lynched.

I have some ideas, and reactions to everything that has happened so far today are certainly interesting, but none of it matters as long as Khell is still alive.

To reiterate, lynch Khell. It's what's best for all of us.


So based on this I assume that there are some things that you find more-or-less scummy, yet you'd still prefer to lynch Khell, is there, then, anything you find scummy about him?

Unlike you I'm here to get scum, not Khell. This game is not taking others for word. If Khell is scum you've, so far, made just as shitty job at this game as everyone else has.


My argument doesn't rest on whether or not Khell is scum. That doesn't MATTER.

We lynch Khell. It benefits us whether he is scum or town.

Then we can spend the rest of the game digging through the plethora of crap that was spewed today.

As I said, once Khell is gone, based on his CF I will have some pretty good ideas of who to go after next.
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Posted 20 February 2017 - 08:44 PM

View PostBlend, on 20 February 2017 - 08:39 PM, said:

View PostItwęs Nom, on 20 February 2017 - 08:34 PM, said:

View PostBlend, on 20 February 2017 - 07:55 PM, said:

I choose not to comment on any other players until Khell has been lynched.

I have some ideas, and reactions to everything that has happened so far today are certainly interesting, but none of it matters as long as Khell is still alive.

To reiterate, lynch Khell. It's what's best for all of us.


So based on this I assume that there are some things that you find more-or-less scummy, yet you'd still prefer to lynch Khell, is there, then, anything you find scummy about him?

Unlike you I'm here to get scum, not Khell. This game is not taking others for word. If Khell is scum you've, so far, made just as shitty job at this game as everyone else has.


My argument doesn't rest on whether or not Khell is scum. That doesn't MATTER.

We lynch Khell. It benefits us whether he is scum or town.

Then we can spend the rest of the game digging through the plethora of crap that was spewed today.

As I said, once Khell is gone, based on his CF I will have some pretty good ideas of who to go after next.


Alright, I shall then ignore you until Khell dies. Someone let me know if he decides to start posting something different from what he's been posting or something meaningful, thanks.

(I agree this is getting a bit more ballsy)
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Posted 20 February 2017 - 08:51 PM

View PostItwęs Nom, on 20 February 2017 - 08:44 PM, said:

View PostBlend, on 20 February 2017 - 08:39 PM, said:

View PostItwęs Nom, on 20 February 2017 - 08:34 PM, said:

View PostBlend, on 20 February 2017 - 07:55 PM, said:

I choose not to comment on any other players until Khell has been lynched.

I have some ideas, and reactions to everything that has happened so far today are certainly interesting, but none of it matters as long as Khell is still alive.

To reiterate, lynch Khell. It's what's best for all of us.


So based on this I assume that there are some things that you find more-or-less scummy, yet you'd still prefer to lynch Khell, is there, then, anything you find scummy about him?

Unlike you I'm here to get scum, not Khell. This game is not taking others for word. If Khell is scum you've, so far, made just as shitty job at this game as everyone else has.


My argument doesn't rest on whether or not Khell is scum. That doesn't MATTER.

We lynch Khell. It benefits us whether he is scum or town.

Then we can spend the rest of the game digging through the plethora of crap that was spewed today.

As I said, once Khell is gone, based on his CF I will have some pretty good ideas of who to go after next.


Alright, I shall then ignore you until Khell dies. Someone let me know if he decides to start posting something different from what he's been posting or something meaningful, thanks.

(I agree this is getting a bit more ballsy)


You're not getting it though - this has been a wonderful Day 1. Yes I'm got my blinders on, and the main reason for that is definitely meta "he's on my list" crap.

But my single-minded drive to have Khell lynched has very clearly polarized the thread. It no longer matters whether or not Khell is scum. His CF, whether it be town or scum, will give us enough information to then start parsing that polarization. If he's town, one side of the fence is more likely to contain scum, if he's scum, then the other side is where we start looking.

I mean, it's still early, but I think that lynching anyone else at this point is a mistake. You have a 'case' on JPK, but it's not really a case, it's a bunch of bullshit that Khell spun out of nothing to give you guys something to latch onto instead of my very obvious, mildly tongue-in-cheek (but not really) drive to get him lynched.

If Khell ends up being a townie, AT THAT POINT and AT THAT POINT ONLY will we have more reason to dig deeper into JPK. For now it's just gut feeling and speculation over nothingness.
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Posted 20 February 2017 - 08:55 PM

What the fuck??

I left you for what, 10 hours, and there's twice as much content on thread than in the whole mafia game I modded last month. Bastards. And everyone's naked.

Lemme read up and figure out what's happening.
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Posted 20 February 2017 - 09:01 PM

View PostSiergiej, on 20 February 2017 - 08:55 PM, said:

What the fuck??

I left you for what, 10 hours, and there's twice as much content on thread than in the whole mafia game I modded last month. Bastards. And everyone's naked.

Lemme read up and figure out what's happening.


No need to read, just lynch Khell.
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Posted 20 February 2017 - 09:02 PM

View PostSiergiej, on 20 February 2017 - 08:55 PM, said:

What the fuck??

I left you for what, 10 hours, and there's twice as much content on thread than in the whole mafia game I modded last month. Bastards. And everyone's naked.

Lemme read up and figure out what's happening.


Hey I've had a shower in the meantime too (and put some clothes back on)
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Posted 20 February 2017 - 09:03 PM

View PostSiergiej, on 20 February 2017 - 08:55 PM, said:

What the fuck??

I left you for what, 10 hours, and there's twice as much content on thread than in the whole mafia game I modded last month. Bastards. And everyone's naked.

Lemme read up and figure out what's happening.


Content? Hmm, be sure to pull that up for us.

Oh look, I quoted the same thing twice. Again.
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Posted 20 February 2017 - 09:07 PM

View PostMessremb, on 20 February 2017 - 09:03 PM, said:

View PostSiergiej, on 20 February 2017 - 08:55 PM, said:

What the fuck??

I left you for what, 10 hours, and there's twice as much content on thread than in the whole mafia game I modded last month. Bastards. And everyone's naked.

Lemme read up and figure out what's happening.


Content? Hmm, be sure to pull that up for us.

Oh look, I quoted the same thing twice. Again.


you'll just keep doing that to irritate me, aren't you?
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View PostJump Around, on 23 October 2011 - 11:04 AM, said:

And I want to state that Ment has out-weaseled me by far in this game.
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