[Messremb]

Itwæs Nom, on 24 February 2017 - 08:15 PM, said:

Messremb, on 24 February 2017 - 08:07 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 24 February 2017 - 07:56 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 24 February 2017 - 07:54 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 24 February 2017 - 07:52 PM, said:

And, I just realised, about Mess being a symp!!!

That's why I'm worried about balance... apparently Mess was the target only if you weren't lynched.

Yeah, it's not great, but because on the other hand Andorion would not have died because of Mac's heal, I think it evens out a bit.

It doesn't affect DDay timing does it? If not no issue (apart from insisting on a return from the grave for me )

It does I think, it would have been 3vs5 today as opposed to current 2v5? Assuming all the scum would manage to survive and kill, it would be 3vs3 parity tommorow, opposed to 2vs3 in current situation.

Quick, upgrade Ando to symp...

[Path-Shaper]

Itwæs Nom, on 24 February 2017 - 08:15 PM, said:

Messremb, on 24 February 2017 - 08:07 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 24 February 2017 - 07:56 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 24 February 2017 - 07:54 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 24 February 2017 - 07:52 PM, said:

And, I just realised, about Mess being a symp!!!

That's why I'm worried about balance... apparently Mess was the target only if you weren't lynched.

Yeah, it's not great, but because on the other hand Andorion would not have died because of Mac's heal, I think it evens out a bit.

It doesn't affect DDay timing does it? If not no issue (apart from insisting on a return from the grave for me )

It does I think, it would have been 3vs5 today as opposed to current 2v5? Assuming all the scum would manage to survive and kill, it would be 3vs3 parity tommorow, opposed to 2vs3 in current situation.

TBH, I think the Ando kill makes the most sense. If I don't tell anyone why, it looks like a vig, and balance is reset. Sucks for Ando, but it makes poetic justice since he was the original pick.

[Path-Shaper]

Messremb, on 24 February 2017 - 08:16 PM, said:

Itwæs Nom, on 24 February 2017 - 08:15 PM, said:

Messremb, on 24 February 2017 - 08:07 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 24 February 2017 - 07:56 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 24 February 2017 - 07:54 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 24 February 2017 - 07:52 PM, said:

And, I just realised, about Mess being a symp!!!

That's why I'm worried about balance... apparently Mess was the target only if you weren't lynched.

Yeah, it's not great, but because on the other hand Andorion would not have died because of Mac's heal, I think it evens out a bit.

It doesn't affect DDay timing does it? If not no issue (apart from insisting on a return from the grave for me )

It does I think, it would have been 3vs5 today as opposed to current 2v5? Assuming all the scum would manage to survive and kill, it would be 3vs3 parity tommorow, opposed to 2vs3 in current situation.

Quick, upgrade Ando to symp...

Or that.

[Messremb]

But Ando was Healed by Mac.

Any changing of roles upsets the game balance a second time, I'd suggest leaving it as is. Have the killers raised any issues?

[Path-Shaper]

I think I'm going to go with the Ando 2.0 upgrade. Yes, it throws things off a bit, but I think that may be the most fair. Since he hasn't been playing as symp all game, he would become scum at a disadvantage.

[Messremb]

Where's HDs name in the voted/not voted in the Khell lynch?

[Itwæs Nom]

Messremb, on 24 February 2017 - 08:20 PM, said:

But Ando was Healed by Mac.

Another problem with that is that it'd have cleared Ando to Mac

[Path-Shaper]

Messremb, on 24 February 2017 - 08:20 PM, said:

But Ando was Healed by Mac.

Any changing of roles upsets the game balance a second time, I'd suggest leaving it as is. Have the killers raised any issues?

Ment is a bit miffed. I screwed up his plans. He was going to set you up as a lynch I think.

[Path-Shaper]

Arrrgh. Can't decide whether to leave alone or not.

[Itwæs Nom]

Path-Shaper, on 24 February 2017 - 08:20 PM, said:

I think I'm going to go with the Ando 2.0 upgrade. Yes, it throws things off a bit, but I think that may be the most fair. Since he hasn't been playing as symp all game, he would become scum at a disadvantage.

It should have been 3v5 with Ando probably cleared in Mac's eyes

This would make it 3v4 with nobody cleared and someone who's been playing a town game whole the time suddenly becoming scum

Keeping it as it is is 2v5 with nobody cleared

[Messremb]

Probably got a while before Ando checks in again to decide

[Messremb]

ST is viewing, what do you think?

[Path-Shaper]

Itwæs Nom, on 24 February 2017 - 08:26 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 24 February 2017 - 08:20 PM, said:

I think I'm going to go with the Ando 2.0 upgrade. Yes, it throws things off a bit, but I think that may be the most fair. Since he hasn't been playing as symp all game, he would become scum at a disadvantage.

It should have been 3v5 with Ando probably cleared in Mac's eyes

This would make it 3v4 with nobody cleared and someone who's been playing a town game whole the time suddenly becoming scum

Keeping it as it is is 2v5 with nobody cleared

I'm not sure why anyone would be cleared because of Mac's heal...

[JPK]

Path-Shaper, on 24 February 2017 - 08:54 PM, said:

Itwæs Nom, on 24 February 2017 - 08:26 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 24 February 2017 - 08:20 PM, said:

I think I'm going to go with the Ando 2.0 upgrade. Yes, it throws things off a bit, but I think that may be the most fair. Since he hasn't been playing as symp all game, he would become scum at a disadvantage.

It should have been 3v5 with Ando probably cleared in Mac's eyes

This would make it 3v4 with nobody cleared and someone who's been playing a town game whole the time suddenly becoming scum

Keeping it as it is is 2v5 with nobody cleared

I'm not sure why anyone would be cleared because of Mac's heal...

Mac could assume that Ando was target by scum and his heal prevented the kill, thus vpi'ing Ando.

[Messremb]

Path-Shaper, on 24 February 2017 - 08:54 PM, said:

Itwæs Nom, on 24 February 2017 - 08:26 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 24 February 2017 - 08:20 PM, said:

I think I'm going to go with the Ando 2.0 upgrade. Yes, it throws things off a bit, but I think that may be the most fair. Since he hasn't been playing as symp all game, he would become scum at a disadvantage.

It should have been 3v5 with Ando probably cleared in Mac's eyes

This would make it 3v4 with nobody cleared and someone who's been playing a town game whole the time suddenly becoming scum

Keeping it as it is is 2v5 with nobody cleared

I'm not sure why anyone would be cleared because of Mac's heal...

No NK means the killers targetted Ando which means Ando isn't a killer

Or they withheld which is unlikely

[JPK]

Holy x-post mess!

[Sir Thursday]

I think it's too late and it should be left the way it is. Ment made a non-trivial provisional to interpret, and while he should expect PS to handle the if statement correctly, it's not entirely surprising that the more complexity you put into your NAs the more likely they are to go wrong. Scum are still in a good position, and it's clear from the lover conversations that they are unaware Mess is the symp and would have tried to kill him anyway. I don't think this situation warrants rectifying.

ST

[Tattersail_]

I agree with ST as when reading their pms i thought Mess was the choice too. It looked like they wanted Mess dead more than Ando.

[Path-Shaper]

OK, you guys have talked me off the ledge.

And... after eating some chocolate, I realized that so long as Ment and HD don't get lynched, they'll be in the same situation as they are now at the end of Day 4 with no symp and 5 town. So in THEORY, they can get ahead if they lynch they build the right case.

[Itwæs Nom]

Sir Thursday, on 24 February 2017 - 09:16 PM, said:

I think it's too late and it should be left the way it is. Ment made a non-trivial provisional to interpret, and while he should expect PS to handle the if statement correctly, it's not entirely surprising that the more complexity you put into your NAs the more likely they are to go wrong.

ST

You can have complex provisionals that aren't that difficult to decode but they have to be in some logical sequence, Ment's provisionals weren't that complex but starting any provisionals with a negative if is probably gonna make them a bit confusing and easy to misinterpret