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Posted 19 February 2017 - 06:24 PM

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Posted 19 February 2017 - 06:25 PM

1. Blend - RI
2. Messremb - Symp
3. Mac - Healer
4. HD - Killer
5. Tatts - RI
6. JPK - RI
7. Ment - Killer
8. Ando - RI
9.SiergieJ - RI
10. Nom - RI
11. Bubba - RI
12. Khell - Guard

Day 1/Night 1
1. Blend - RI
2. Messremb - Symp
3. Mac - Healer
4. HD - Killer
5. Tatts - RI - Guarded Night 1, Killed Night 1
6. JPK - RI Lynched day 1
7. Ment - Killer - Healed Night 1
8. Ando - RI
9.SiergieJ - RI
10. Nom - RI
11. Bubba - RI
12. Khell - Guard

Day 2/Night 2
1. Blend - RI
2. Messremb - Symp
3. Mac - Healer - Guarded Night 2
4. HD - Killer
5. Tatts - RI - Guarded Night 1, Killed Night 1
6. JPK - RI Lynched day 1
7. Ment - Killer - Healed Night 1
8. Ando - RI
9.SiergieJ - RI
10. Nom - RI Killed night 2
11. Bubba - RI
12. Khell - Guard

Day 3/Night 3
1. Blend - RI
2. Messremb - Symp - Killed Night 3
3. Mac - Healer
4. HD - Killer
5. Tatts - RI - Guarded Night 1, Killed Night 1
6. JPK - RI Lynched day 1
7. Ment - Killer - Healed Night 1
8. Ando - RI - Healed Night 3
9.SiergieJ - RI
10. Nom - RI Killed Night 2
11. Bubba - RI
12. Khell - Guard Lynched Day 3

Day 4/Night 4
1. Blend - RI
2. Messremb - Symp - Killed Night 3
3. Mac - Healer
4. HD - Killer
5. Tatts - RI - Guarded Night 1, Killed Night 1
6. JPK - RI Lynched day 1
7. Ment - Killer - Healed Night 1
8. Ando - RI -Killed night 4
9.SiergieJ - RI
10. Nom - RI Killed Night 2
11. Bubba - RI Healed Night 4
12. Khell - Guard Lynched Day 3

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 28 February 2017 - 08:21 PM

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Posted 20 February 2017 - 03:27 PM

It will be interesting to see how the grudges sort out.
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Posted 20 February 2017 - 04:09 PM

Passwords:

Sh- bike
Ps -repair
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Posted 20 February 2017 - 04:39 PM

How are you handling Khell's guard ability? E.g. If he hits a killer while they're still a pair, what happens?

ST
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Posted 20 February 2017 - 04:42 PM

View PostSir Thursday, on 20 February 2017 - 04:39 PM, said:

How are you handling Khell's guard ability? E.g. If he hits a killer while they're still a pair, what happens?

ST

It will fail.
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Posted 20 February 2017 - 05:46 PM

Khell still hasnt checked his PM...
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Posted 20 February 2017 - 10:38 PM

It's always interesting to watch scum trying to blend in on Day 1. Going to keep an eye on Ment and HD and see how they try and navigate the whole Blend/Khell craziness.

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Posted 21 February 2017 - 02:26 AM

View PostSir Thursday, on 20 February 2017 - 10:38 PM, said:

It's always interesting to watch scum trying to blend in on Day 1. Going to keep an eye on Ment and HD and see how they try and navigate the whole Blend/Khell craziness.

ST


I'm with Mac, I love a good altless M&P, particularly after a cagey high TMDI game like D&D.

Should be interesting to watch. I haven't played with HD for a while, so was pleasantly surprised when the Randomizer made him a killer. I pretty well figured Khell was screwed, but it is what it is...

I can't copy PMs from my phone, but they have a provisional to NK Tatts.
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Posted 21 February 2017 - 04:57 PM

Some PMs...

Path-Shaper, on 20 February 2017 - 02:51 PM, said:

You are guard.


Path-Shaper, on 20 February 2017 - 05:16 PM, said:

just wanted to make sure you saw this...


Khellendros, on 20 February 2017 - 06:06 PM, said:

Yes, it comes to my emails so I read it there.

Guard JPK

Not that I expect to be able to use it :D


Path-Shaper, on 20 February 2017 - 06:11 PM, said:

I've been on pins and needles wondering if you would read it. I'd just about decided that you thought you were scum.


Khellendros, on 20 February 2017 - 10:11 PM, said:

Haha, sorry! I guess that's just the way my play looks!

Slight change with this little more hopeful outlook: Guard JPK. If lynched, guard Tattersail.

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Posted 21 February 2017 - 05:15 PM

Path-Shaper, on 20 February 2017 - 03:04 PM, said:

Here is the paired killer convo.


HoosierDaddy, on 20 February 2017 - 03:32 PM, said:

Hola Ment. Who you want to nuke first?


HoosierDaddy, on 20 February 2017 - 03:39 PM, said:

I can see our time zones being somewhat problematic as thy are paired. We'll both be sleeping and at work at roughly the same time.


HoosierDaddy, on 20 February 2017 - 04:52 PM, said:

Hopefully we have a symp in there. If so, that's 10-3 ratio, yeah? If shared, Kill and Lynch equal 8-6-4-2 4 days to win with no losses. 5 days with one loss Non shared: 7- 4 - 1 3 days with no losses.

PS: Questions:

Do we have a shared kill or two separate kills?


Path-Shaper, on 20 February 2017 - 04:55 PM, said:

Sorry, shared kill. i was in a rush to get pms out


HoosierDaddy, on 20 February 2017 - 04:57 PM, said:

Until Ment gets here:

Preliminary target is: Khell

Let's WIFOM this shit to high heaven.


HoosierDaddy, on 20 February 2017 - 05:01 PM, said:

In the first of what is to be many nearly instantaneous disagreements with my logic:

Preliminary target is Bubba.

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Posted 21 February 2017 - 05:15 PM

Mentalist, on 20 February 2017 - 05:54 PM, said:

hey-hey.

sorry, i'm only now starting to feel like a coherent human being. Last night had a lot of whiskey and vodka.


HoosierDaddy, on 20 February 2017 - 05:59 PM, said:

No worries. Looks like a vengeance train on Khell will get him axed. Don't even know what they are talking about right now.

HD


Mentalist, on 20 February 2017 - 06:03 PM, said:

oh, an unless you are getting a 100% symp vibe off tatts, i suggest we kill him first.

Because he has a tendency to make good cases on me when I'm scum.


HoosierDaddy, on 20 February 2017 - 06:05 PM, said:

It's hard to tell who is serious and not right now.

PS: Change provisional to Tatts, please.

I can never get you when you are scum, but always think you are scum when we're both town.


HoosierDaddy, on 20 February 2017 - 06:21 PM, said:

Khell is trying to act like he has a role. Most likely just fucking about to save himself. Thoughts?


Mentalist, on 20 February 2017 - 07:26 PM, said:

i'm still re-reading- I'm trying to make plausible case for one of them.

I think I'll take JPK, if i can find a "symp-like"post against him in that mess. Than you can go and say "well I don't know why you guys hate Khel so much now, but i"ll play along" or something.


HoosierDaddy, on 20 February 2017 - 07:27 PM, said:

Yeah, I picked that up from your last post on Khell. "Alarming amount of sense"? Lol.


HoosierDaddy, on 20 February 2017 - 07:58 PM, said:

Gotta admit, there's a pretty good stew going on in there.

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Posted 21 February 2017 - 05:16 PM

Still 2 more pages of the lovers convo... I need a break from copying and pasting...
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Posted 21 February 2017 - 06:15 PM

I'm happy to jump in and help out a bit when I can if you want.

While I think Blend has been a little too single-minded in refusing to consider other options, I think he's very right that what he has done has given town a great deal of material to help with. But for it to work, the rest of town needs to be able to filter out all the Khell/Blend BS and find the oddities in other players' reactions. To their credit they are doing a decent amount of that, but none of them have really taken a hard look at Ment yet. I did see Bubba prodding HD though, will be interesting to see if that goes anywhere.

ST

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Posted 21 February 2017 - 06:26 PM

View PostSir Thursday, on 21 February 2017 - 06:15 PM, said:

I'm happy to jump in and help out a bit when I can if you want.

While I think Blend has been a little too single-minded in refusing to consider other options, I think he's very right that what he has done has given town a great deal of material to help with. But for it to work, the rest of town needs to be able to filter out all the Khell/Blend BS and find the oddities in other players' reactions. To their credit they are doing a decent amount of that, but none of them have really taken a hard look at Ment yet. I did see Bubba prodding HD though, will be interesting to see if that goes anywhere.

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Much thanks! If you can help it would be appreciated. I completely underestimated how excited they would be when I told them they were playing naked.
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Posted 21 February 2017 - 06:30 PM

Mentalist, on 20 February 2017 - 08:01 PM, said:

I know, right? and Tatts is sniffing at Blend right now.

Nom's analytical mind is also pointed at JPK- out of the new batch, he's the one i'm most wary of usually.

we're in a pretty good place, as long as there's no finders in this game.



Path-Shaper, on 20 February 2017 - 08:53 PM, said:

HoosierDaddy, on 20 February 2017 - 08:06 PM, said:

@PS: If a guard is in play, does it block our kill if only one of us is blocked?



I'm not sure that I can contribute to mechanics speculation...


HoosierDaddy, on 21 February 2017 - 02:39 AM, said:

Ment, let's try to figure out possible symp candidates. They are our hole card. On Day 1 I know it's tough, but we want to keep them around so perhaps random targeting isn't the best if we can try to narrow down?

I don't see any low poster as symp as of right now (And, Sierj). There's plenty of interaction in their for them to get involved without making waves. Problem being, this is a shit show Day 1 because it's factionesque.

I'm, personally, looking for a mid-poster stirring issues. Let me know what you think.


HoosierDaddy, on 21 February 2017 - 03:19 AM, said:

By the by, I usually alt you by day 2 or 3 because of your seeming uncommitted, completely neutral posting style. You broke that a little early this game, but then went straight back towards it. So I'd be still in the "It's just Ment being Ment" phase for me as town.

I'm trying to mimic my normal play style, which is grossly similar to yours, but far less so once alcohol gets involved. So, that being said... let's see if anybody has anything to say.


Mentalist, on 21 February 2017 - 03:35 AM, said:

If this was an alted game, I'd probably be harping on tatts for posting some stupid day 1 wifom shit and sending scum vibes all over.

But with Blend hell-bent on hijacking the thread, there's not a whole lot for me to do.

I hope Ando isn't roles, because he's a lurking low-poster and it'd be very hard to get a read on him.



HoosierDaddy, on 21 February 2017 - 03:41 AM, said:

Ando will be modkilled or lynched soon, normally. But with so much effort around the loud talkers I understand the concern. No use killing him until someone speaks out tomorrow though, IMO. If Ando speaks up tomorrow, I think we can hint towards low posting scum. Not hard, common, and easily done. Just needs finesse.

Re: Blend He thinks he'll have a great read tomorrow off today's events. He seems to think I'm Pro Khell, even though I've just called his entire meta game out correctly. I don't know how to counter that.

Whatcha think?


HoosierDaddy, on 21 February 2017 - 03:44 AM, said:

Mentalist, on 21 February 2017 - 03:38 AM, said:

Trying to guess a symp is always risky. I tend to ignore their existence, because I'm afraid that if I'm wrong it can blow up spectacularly in my face.

That being said, Maccy not voting Khell is actually kinda odd. And it strikes me as very much my own reasoning of stirring the pot to set up khell as lynch no2


Why is Maccy not voting Khell odd? The case there is absolute meta. I've never considered Mac to be a sheer meta guy. Gut, yes, but Meta?

You think he is trying to set someone up?

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Posted 21 February 2017 - 06:45 PM

Finally caught up on the lovers convo...

HoosierDaddy, on 21 February 2017 - 04:12 AM, said:

I'm going to give you the trigger Ment, but Tatts is acting abnormally.

I say we stick to, as for now, and watch as tomorrow rolls through. We're at 5x4x1, with 2 outstanding votes. I can easily switch and so can you, I think our logic is solid to swing either way on thread.

7 Votes for lynch, I don't see Ando and Sierj suddenly voting while I'm asleep.

I'm out. I'll catch you tomorrow morning when I'm at work.

Unless I want to drink a little more.


Mentalist, on 21 February 2017 - 04:46 AM, said:

tatts acting abnormally means he's either symp or roled.

I'm never comfortable assuming he's my symp, because when he gets into it, he can make some very hard to dismantle cases. So if I call it wrong, I usually end up royally screwed. I'd rather err on the side of caution and eliminate him early.


HoosierDaddy, on 21 February 2017 - 04:55 AM, said:

So: For Path Shaper, barring a change Tatts meets the fresh end of a 9mm in his throat as he tries to beg for mercy. As of right now, of course. Subject to change.


Mentalist, on 21 February 2017 - 03:56 PM, said:

Yeah. This is still too reasonable and low profile to be RI tatts.

This Nom thing is interesting. I'm gonna play the "self-vote is bullshit" card.


HoosierDaddy, on 21 February 2017 - 05:19 PM, said:

I was thinking that. But what a stupid way to play, he's going to get lynched either tomorrow or the next day.


Mentalist, on 21 February 2017 - 05:22 PM, said:

He doesn't do well under pressure.

Beyond that, unti today he was doing well, but now he's kind of pushing the envelope of reasonable grudge.

I kinda like how vote-happy Sierg is being- that gives us some case-making ammo later on.

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Posted 21 February 2017 - 06:48 PM

Some posts from Nom:

Path-Shaper, on 20 February 2017 - 02:55 PM, said:

You are RI


Path-Shaper, on 20 February 2017 - 03:33 PM, said:

Itwęs Nom, on 20 February 2017 - 03:31 PM, said:

Just for the record, I meant naked as in not logged in anonymously! Though I was curious who wouldn't take it in that way...



I had considered that.


Itwęs Nom, on 20 February 2017 - 06:38 PM, said:

Right now I don't think that Khell's scum, I'm not particulary inclined to follow him either though

Mess is pretty loud though, what's that mean?

View PostJPK, on 20 February 2017 - 06:33 PM, said:

View PostItwęs Nom, on 20 February 2017 - 06:28 PM, said:

For reference

View PostKhellendros, on 20 February 2017 - 05:25 PM, said:

View PostJPK, on 20 February 2017 - 05:22 PM, said:

So I'm ok with joining the naked train on Khell for sure.

As an alternative, while were starting to look at lynching based off of meta grudges, I would like to suggest an early lynch of Macros. He has a habit of trusting his gut over his logic that has directly led to several wins for scum. I might also still be bitter over the ending of the Evil Twins game.


Interesting, so you want to lynch Mac for a reason which is definitely not to do with him being scum, but specifically for being a (badly playing) RI.


Vote JPK



Yeah, and I stand by that statement. I have been caught on the wrong end of Macros' gut judgement too many times. It was entirely a comment on the meta interplay between him and I, that usually ends up with me dead either by lynch or NK.

However, I didn't put my actual vote on Maccy. In fact, I never came back to that comment. But Khell sure as hell picked it up and is trying to run with it. Don't let him run circles around us again. We should all know better than that by now.



This post does read a bit like Kitsu would stand behind that statement no matter what it was just to show it was certainly not a mistake on his part


Itwęs Nom, on 20 February 2017 - 07:37 PM, said:

I'd probably be more inclined to lynch Khell if we lynched Kitsu today and he turned out scum


Itwęs Nom, on 21 February 2017 - 06:16 PM, said:

Something just occured to me, what if Blend's a town role and this is his way of avoiding NKs?

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Posted 21 February 2017 - 08:38 PM

From Mac:

Path-Shaper, on 20 February 2017 - 02:56 PM, said:

Macros, on 20 February 2017 - 02:55 PM, said:

aw fuck.


I'm prime candidate for a grudge lynch

and a grudge kill

can I self heal?


I wonder if I should play killer macros in the hope the killers keep me alive for an end game situation


No self healing. With all the active grudges, you may still stand a fighting chance!


Macros, on 20 February 2017 - 06:19 PM, said:

heal Khell


Macros, on 21 February 2017 - 09:26 AM, said:

scrap that

Heal Ment


Macros, on 21 February 2017 - 11:34 AM, said:

fuck it

change

heal Khell


Macros, on 21 February 2017 - 06:59 PM, said:

what about jpk as a symp?

change

heal Ment


Macros, on 21 February 2017 - 08:34 PM, said:

damnit.

I'd say that I considered healing tatts.
but really, who kills tatts?

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Posted 21 February 2017 - 08:45 PM

View PostPath-Shaper, on 21 February 2017 - 05:16 PM, said:

Still 2 more pages of the lovers convo... I need a break from copying and pasting...



The main reason I backed away from Khell is I thought he was roled.

Blend fucking letting HD and Ment coast by.


Who was the symp?
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