[Ultama]

Sorrit, on 09 February 2017 - 04:54 PM, said:

Ultama, on 09 February 2017 - 04:48 PM, said:

Sorrit, on 09 February 2017 - 04:47 PM, said:

Lock, on 08 February 2017 - 11:56 PM, said:

Ok, so Ultama is the Fifth leader. Compare their posts to the Fifth leader's announcements. If you can't tell who it is then hang your head in shame. Also giving it away is the attempts to be too clever by half in the announcements.

This confirms my guess on who Ultama I think

Lock, on 09 February 2017 - 04:14 PM, said:

Alright, let's see what we see.

First, just examine the syntax in Ultama's posts and compare it to the announcements for the Fifth leader. They're very similar and they both, incidentally, reflect a certain player. Shortish sentences, usually beginning without pronouns but with verbs or adjecives ("Attack...", "Looks like")

Anyways, relatedly, here's a message from Fifth boss:

Path-Shaper, on 07 February 2017 - 04:40 PM, said:

The leader of the Fifth makes the following announcement:

Quote

Attack the same as last night. If we can get a heal on Telas that would be great, our young Druid.

Here's Ultama's 'interpretation' a few hours later (some, but not a great deal of comment on the Fifth's message, so Ultama steps in):

Ultama, on 07 February 2017 - 08:29 PM, said:

This does look like steering away from a leader. Interesting if we lynch Telas over Trake and Telas turns out to be what he said he was.

Iparth didn't vote Trake yesterday and Alkend was against it. Looks like culture hunt could be used properly against Trakr's faction.

Notice how it's trying to be subtle. It looks like it's suggesting we lynch Telas, but actually it's all about making a case for lynching Trake (as proven by the second line).

I would probably have never made that connection alone but I can kinda see where you're coming from, although it seems like you're deliberately overdoing it with the last line. I agree that going after Fith is the next logical step and Ultama's last posts certainly suggest you're atleast right they're a Fifth member. Don't have better alternative and I think this is our best shot, depending on results I think we might want to look at Tulas or Alkend the next day. I should be somehow around until timeout to hammer.

You would not want to vote Lock?

Would want to vote Lock if what?

Well two options on the table, me or Lock, and you want to vote me?

[Ultama]

That's me done for the day, may check back in with an hour to go to see if any tables have turned but I suspect I am L1 right now with Bek's double vote.

[Kessobahn]

Path-Shaper, on 09 February 2017 - 03:48 PM, said:

Thanks - I had missed Iparth's vote!



It is Day 5. 6 hours and 44 minutes remaining

9 Players still alive: Alkend, Bek Okhan, Fanderay, Iparth Erule, Kessobahn, Lock, Sorrit, Tulas Shorn, Ultama

5 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Tulas Shorn ( Alkend )
1 Vote for Ultama ( Lock )
2 Votes for Lock ( Ultama, Iparth Erule )

Players not voted: Bek Okhan, Fanderay, Kessobahn, Sorrit, Tulas Shorn

PS, I think Iparth voted Ultama unless there were voting shenanigans?

[Path-Shaper]

Kessobahn, on 09 February 2017 - 05:08 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 09 February 2017 - 03:48 PM, said:

Thanks - I had missed Iparth's vote!



It is Day 5. 6 hours and 44 minutes remaining

9 Players still alive: Alkend, Bek Okhan, Fanderay, Iparth Erule, Kessobahn, Lock, Sorrit, Tulas Shorn, Ultama

5 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Tulas Shorn ( Alkend )
1 Vote for Ultama ( Lock )
2 Votes for Lock ( Ultama, Iparth Erule )

Players not voted: Bek Okhan, Fanderay, Kessobahn, Sorrit, Tulas Shorn

PS, I think Iparth voted Ultama unless there were voting shenanigans?

Gods, you're right, sorry folks, a little hungover today!


It is Day 5. 5 hours and 17 minutes remaining

9 Players still alive: Alkend, Bek Okhan, Fanderay, Iparth Erule, Kessobahn, Lock, Sorrit, Tulas Shorn, Ultama

5 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Tulas Shorn ( Alkend )
4 Votes for Ultama ( Lock, Kessobahn, Bek Okhan, Iparth Erule )
1 Vote for Lock ( Ultama )

Players not voted: Fanderay, Sorrit, Tulas Shorn

[Sorrit]

Ultama, on 09 February 2017 - 05:02 PM, said:

Sorrit, on 09 February 2017 - 04:54 PM, said:

Ultama, on 09 February 2017 - 04:48 PM, said:

Sorrit, on 09 February 2017 - 04:47 PM, said:

Lock, on 08 February 2017 - 11:56 PM, said:

Ok, so Ultama is the Fifth leader. Compare their posts to the Fifth leader's announcements. If you can't tell who it is then hang your head in shame. Also giving it away is the attempts to be too clever by half in the announcements.

This confirms my guess on who Ultama I think

Lock, on 09 February 2017 - 04:14 PM, said:

Alright, let's see what we see.

First, just examine the syntax in Ultama's posts and compare it to the announcements for the Fifth leader. They're very similar and they both, incidentally, reflect a certain player. Shortish sentences, usually beginning without pronouns but with verbs or adjecives ("Attack...", "Looks like")

Anyways, relatedly, here's a message from Fifth boss:

Path-Shaper, on 07 February 2017 - 04:40 PM, said:

The leader of the Fifth makes the following announcement:

Quote

Attack the same as last night. If we can get a heal on Telas that would be great, our young Druid.

Here's Ultama's 'interpretation' a few hours later (some, but not a great deal of comment on the Fifth's message, so Ultama steps in):

Ultama, on 07 February 2017 - 08:29 PM, said:

This does look like steering away from a leader. Interesting if we lynch Telas over Trake and Telas turns out to be what he said he was.

Iparth didn't vote Trake yesterday and Alkend was against it. Looks like culture hunt could be used properly against Trakr's faction.

Notice how it's trying to be subtle. It looks like it's suggesting we lynch Telas, but actually it's all about making a case for lynching Trake (as proven by the second line).

I would probably have never made that connection alone but I can kinda see where you're coming from, although it seems like you're deliberately overdoing it with the last line. I agree that going after Fith is the next logical step and Ultama's last posts certainly suggest you're atleast right they're a Fifth member. Don't have better alternative and I think this is our best shot, depending on results I think we might want to look at Tulas or Alkend the next day. I should be somehow around until timeout to hammer.

You would not want to vote Lock?

Would want to vote Lock if what?

Well two options on the table, me or Lock, and you want to vote me?

If I wanted to vote Lock...I would have voted Lock? And we're still at a point where there is technically even more options.

Ultama, on 09 February 2017 - 04:53 PM, said:

Lock has an LP and I have personally hit him for 3 damage every night since night one. Your swapping a potential leader in Lock for someone like me. It's hilarious, and if you look at how the alts are distributed then you will see this will be the wrong decision in the long run. Each faction is down to 3 alts. I know this for a fact.

Are you saying the thing about LP just to get us to try it and lynch Lock? Alts are not players.

Path-Shaper, on 09 February 2017 - 05:15 PM, said:

It is Day 5. 5 hours and 17 minutes remaining

9 Players still alive: Alkend, Bek Okhan, Fanderay, Iparth Erule, Kessobahn, Lock, Sorrit, Tulas Shorn, Ultama

5 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Tulas Shorn ( Alkend )
4 Votes for Ultama ( Lock, Kessobahn, Bek Okhan, Iparth Erule )
1 Vote for Lock ( Ultama )

Players not voted: Fanderay, Sorrit, Tulas Shorn

Got any thoughts on this (I'm geniuinely interested)?

[Sorrit]

Lock, on 09 February 2017 - 04:52 PM, said:

Actually, it only just struck me that Fandy's post is a cross-post with Telas, which they then point out is a cross-post with Telas in the edit...

Now people have deliberately cross-posted with themselves in previous games when they've had multiple alts, in order to make it seem like they can't be the same person (it's easy to do if you have more than one device to post from).

One device is enough, you can use multiple browsers.

[Kessobahn]

Sorrit, on 09 February 2017 - 05:36 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 09 February 2017 - 05:15 PM, said:

It is Day 5. 5 hours and 17 minutes remaining

9 Players still alive: Alkend, Bek Okhan, Fanderay, Iparth Erule, Kessobahn, Lock, Sorrit, Tulas Shorn, Ultama

5 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Tulas Shorn ( Alkend )
4 Votes for Ultama ( Lock, Kessobahn, Bek Okhan, Iparth Erule )
1 Vote for Lock ( Ultama )

Players not voted: Fanderay, Sorrit, Tulas Shorn

Got any thoughts on this (I'm geniuinely interested)?

What are you seeing on the votes? I know Ultama was claiming that BO had 2 votes, but it doesn't appear to be working that way.

[Sorrit]

Kessobahn, on 09 February 2017 - 05:47 PM, said:

Sorrit, on 09 February 2017 - 05:36 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 09 February 2017 - 05:15 PM, said:

It is Day 5. 5 hours and 17 minutes remaining

9 Players still alive: Alkend, Bek Okhan, Fanderay, Iparth Erule, Kessobahn, Lock, Sorrit, Tulas Shorn, Ultama

5 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Tulas Shorn ( Alkend )
4 Votes for Ultama ( Lock, Kessobahn, Bek Okhan, Iparth Erule )
1 Vote for Lock ( Ultama )

Players not voted: Fanderay, Sorrit, Tulas Shorn

Got any thoughts on this (I'm geniuinely interested)?

What are you seeing on the votes? I know Ultama was claiming that BO had 2 votes, but it doesn't appear to be working that way.

Well that's what I'm refering to

[Ultama]

I think either he has not used his rage in the day so he can perform a night action or someone's vote does not count.

[Fanderay]

Lock, on 09 February 2017 - 04:48 PM, said:

Okay, Telas and Fanderay, are they the same person. I'm not as convinced of this as I was a couple of hours ago, mainly because I took another look at Sorrit (and I'll post those too in a minute). But here's the argument for:

A couple of general things before I get into the posts below: Both tended to use a notable amount of exclamation marks early on, but both also cut down on them around the same time. Both also use quotation marks rather than apostrophes for speech marks (but they share this with others). There are a couple of things both do that no one else seems to:

Telas, on 31 January 2017 - 06:51 PM, said:

I just noticed this post:

Gamelon, on 31 January 2017 - 09:04 AM, said:

Hmm, that didn't quite come out right. But I'll take anybody's love, especially someone who's willing to provide me with some food

Might be worth someone checking, but I think that's the only time someone has used the ice-cream emoji on thread. I think that makes Alkend's theory about Gamelon being the other half of the set up seem a bit more likely.

When Telas wrote something above a quoted post, they left no gap/blank line between the two. Fanderay also did this (however, not every single time, it must be pointed out):

Fanderay, on 31 January 2017 - 09:24 PM, said:

OK, I think it's time to open the voting booths for the game.

Vote Omtose

I think there's a decent chance that Omtose is the Survivor. 2 reasons for this:

- On the first page of the thread he was the first to bring up information about Barbarian Role PMs. The Survivor is a Barbarian.

Omtose, on 30 January 2017 - 04:35 PM, said:

Rogues and a bunch of magic-types all get puppet-making skills.

Of course given how many Barbarians are around, double-votes are likely to take care of those puppets.

- In this discussion about the message from Shameless Henry, he was the first to suggest that the numerical ordering of the factions in the OP might not correspond to their actual roles. As many people have pointed out, it's easy to figure out that the roles are listed in a logical order by comparing your own position on the role PM. But if you were the Survivor, you wouldn't be able to do that (since the Survivor is in a list of one).

Omtose, on 31 January 2017 - 05:07 PM, said:

It's also interesting that Alkend made the presumption that Shameless Henry is the leader. Since Blend didn't actually say that's what the order is on-thread.

What do the rest of you think?

In the above post Fanderay also does something which Telas did, which is use of hyphens as bullet points:

Telas, on 01 February 2017 - 05:44 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 01 February 2017 - 02:55 PM, said:

7 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

9 Votes for Omtose ( Fanderay, Kessobahn, Pallid, Gamelon, Alkend, Ultama, Lock, Sorrit, Iparth Erule )

So from this, we can conclude that:

- Iparth Erule's vote must definitely count (otherwise they couldn't have been the hammer).

Some of the following must be true:

- There were puppets on the train.
- Redshirt the Clanless had an ability that meant people needed extra votes to lynch him.
- Someone has an ability that suppresses other players' votes somehow, and they used it on someone on the train.

To do any more analysis, we'll probably need another train to cross-reference with.

Both also like to use hyphens within their posts in general (like Telas below. I've forgotten to include a Fanderay example but I can go find one).

Telas, on 31 January 2017 - 07:30 PM, said:

Well, regardless - I do fit the pattern, but I was kind of hoping we could leave it ambiguous to see if we could winkle out any more interesting perspectives from others on the thread. Guess that's not going to happen now though.

Here's Fanderay doing something similar to Ultama, looking like they're suspicious of Telas but actually pointing to Trake instead.

Fanderay, on 07 February 2017 - 09:02 PM, said:

I can see arguments for both Trake and Telas today. Trake caused a shitstorm on thread, has multiple alts and has finds. Telas is pretty much confirmed Fifth and has guards, plus it's not clear if that ckain of being an alt is actually true.

Comparing the two threat levels though, a finder is much more dangerous to everyone.

Vote Trake

Now, an interesting difference between the two: Telas, when editing posts, said EDIT:
Fanderay, as below, writes ETA:

Does this mean they're not the same person, or is it deliberate (and it is certain that the Telas player has gone to some trouble to disguise themselves)?

Well, as Sorrit pointed out straight after Fanderay's post below, there was absolutely no reason to edit the post to say that that was a cross-post. Might that perhaps suggest Fanderay did it deliberately in order to establish early on that they write ETA instead of EDIT?

Fanderay, on 30 January 2017 - 06:21 PM, said:

Omtose, on 30 January 2017 - 04:35 PM, said:

Rogues and a bunch of magic-types all get puppet-making skills.

Of course given how many Barbarians are around, double-votes are likely to take care of those puppets.

Interesting that you know so much about Barbarians, Omtose.


ETA: X-post with Telas

But, speaking of Sorrit...

I'm in awe of the amount of analysis you put into this, butI'm afraid you're off the mark on this one. Keeping up one alt is tiring enough, I definitely don't have the time for two (as my recent lack of posts will attest to). You've got the wrong man, I'm afraid.

[Fanderay]

Looking back over the day's play, Ultama has been working hard to try and avoid a lynch. That level of desperation would fit with a leader trying to save his hide. I'll have a quick look at BO to be sure, but I think I'm happy with an Ultama lynch today. Hopefully it will even up the teams.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 5. 4 hours and 4 minutes remaining

9 Players still alive: Alkend, Bek Okhan, Fanderay, Iparth Erule, Kessobahn, Lock, Sorrit, Tulas Shorn, Ultama

5 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Tulas Shorn ( Alkend )
4 Votes for Ultama ( Lock, Kessobahn, Bek Okhan, Iparth Erule )
1 Vote for Lock ( Ultama )

Players not voted: Fanderay, Sorrit, Tulas Shorn

[Sorrit]

I think there's nothing new to come now

vote Ultama

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 5. 4 hours remaining

9 Players still alive: Alkend, Bek Okhan, Fanderay, Iparth Erule, Kessobahn, Lock, Sorrit, Tulas Shorn, Ultama

5 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Tulas Shorn ( Alkend )
5 Votes for Ultama ( Lock, Kessobahn, Bek Okhan, Iparth Erule, Sorrit )
1 Vote for Lock ( Ultama )

Players not voted: Fanderay, Tulas Shorn


Ultama has been lynched. He was Shameless Henry, the Human Barbarian.


It is now Night 5.

[Path-Shaper]

Night is uneventful.

It is Day 6. 47 hours and 59 minutes remaining

8 Players still alive: Alkend, Bek Okhan, Fanderay, Iparth Erule, Kessobahn, Lock, Sorrit, Tulas Shorn

4 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.


Players not voted: Alkend, Bek Okhan, Fanderay, Iparth Erule, Kessobahn, Lock, Sorrit, Tulas Shorn

[Path-Shaper]

The leader of the Bridgeburners makes the following announcement:

Quote

I don't trust anything that bleeds and doesn't die, and Bek should be dead.

[Alkend]

I missed all the excitement I see.

I guess Tulas is now totally off everyones radar being around the modkill point and all?

[Alkend]

Path-Shaper, on 09 February 2017 - 07:42 PM, said:

The leader of the Bridgeburners makes the following announcement:

Quote

I don't trust anything that bleeds and doesn't die, and Bek should be dead.

Some fake alts have BPs, have you considered that?

[Kessobahn]

Defending BO Alkend?

If we believe Pallid, then we know that BO is a Bonehunter, and if the BB leader is right, then BO has taken some damage.

According to the Info thread:

"Rock Gnome

As a rock gnome, you have a natural inventiveness and hardiness beyond that of other gnomes. As a rock gnome, you automatically have the following ability:

Clockwork Toy (Passive): You control 1 additional alt. Its votes don’t count, it cannot attack at night, and it only has 1 HP, however its existence will affect the amount of people needed in order to lynch a player. If it is lynched or otherwise killed, it will CF as a Clockwork Toy."

I don't think we want to keep around a Paladin leader after the last game.

Vote BO

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 6. 46 hours and 41 minutes remaining

8 Players still alive: Alkend, Bek Okhan, Fanderay, Iparth Erule, Kessobahn, Lock, Sorrit, Tulas Shorn

4 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Bek Okhan ( Kessobahn )

Players not voted: Alkend, Bek Okhan, Fanderay, Iparth Erule, Lock, Sorrit, Tulas Shorn