[Ultama]

Pallid, on 06 February 2017 - 07:52 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on 06 February 2017 - 07:39 PM, said:

Alkend, on 06 February 2017 - 07:06 PM, said:

Anyone else thinking that it is strange that "Pallid the Sprite" isn't following through on their blackmail?

Yep.

I was going to deny and deflect on Trake, but I'm going to be NKed anyways.

Telas is a member of the Fifth.
BO is a member of the Bonehunters.
Trake is a member of the Bridge Burners.

IE, Lock I know your factions.

Yes, I have more than one find.

The only reason Pallid kept their identities safe was because they were on his team, and to let them know each other.

So I could be in the Fifth or in the BH's but not the BB's whereas Lock's faction has hurt both of ours.

[Ultama]

With that information most people can keep their identity hidden by voting Lock

remove vote

vote Lock

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 5. 7 hours and 33 minutes remaining

9 Players still alive: Alkend, Bek Okhan, Fanderay, Iparth Erule, Kessobahn, Lock, Sorrit, Tulas Shorn, Ultama

5 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Tulas Shorn ( Alkend )
1 Vote for Ultama ( Lock )
1 Vote for Lock ( Ultama )

Players not voted: Bek Okhan, Fanderay, Iparth Erule, Kessobahn, Sorrit, Tulas Shorn

[Ultama]

Iparth Erule, on 09 February 2017 - 01:59 PM, said:

Lock, on 09 February 2017 - 12:40 PM, said:

I'm going to spend some time looking more closely at a couple of people. I'm fairly certain I'll be able to identify Telas.

In the meantime,

Vote Ultama


What's the deal with Tulas?

No idea.

I'm with Lock vote Ultama

PS you missed this, unless you are not accepting it.

[Path-Shaper]

Thanks - I had missed Iparth's vote!



It is Day 5. 6 hours and 44 minutes remaining

9 Players still alive: Alkend, Bek Okhan, Fanderay, Iparth Erule, Kessobahn, Lock, Sorrit, Tulas Shorn, Ultama

5 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Tulas Shorn ( Alkend )
1 Vote for Ultama ( Lock )
2 Votes for Lock ( Ultama, Iparth Erule )

Players not voted: Bek Okhan, Fanderay, Kessobahn, Sorrit, Tulas Shorn

[Lock]

Alright, let's see what we see.

First, just examine the syntax in Ultama's posts and compare it to the announcements for the Fifth leader. They're very similar and they both, incidentally, reflect a certain player. Shortish sentences, usually beginning without pronouns but with verbs or adjecives ("Attack...", "Looks like")

Anyways, relatedly, here's a message from Fifth boss:

Path-Shaper, on 07 February 2017 - 04:40 PM, said:

The leader of the Fifth makes the following announcement:

Quote

Attack the same as last night. If we can get a heal on Telas that would be great, our young Druid.

Here's Ultama's 'interpretation' a few hours later (some, but not a great deal of comment on the Fifth's message, so Ultama steps in):

Ultama, on 07 February 2017 - 08:29 PM, said:

This does look like steering away from a leader. Interesting if we lynch Telas over Trake and Telas turns out to be what he said he was.

Iparth didn't vote Trake yesterday and Alkend was against it. Looks like culture hunt could be used properly against Trakr's faction.

Notice how it's trying to be subtle. It looks like it's suggesting we lynch Telas, but actually it's all about making a case for lynching Trake (as proven by the second line).

[Bek Okhan]

Back and reading up

[Kessobahn]

I'd like to see this evened up a bit. I'm not sure if Ultama is the fifth's leader, but I think he's on that team. Hopefully not another puppet...

Vote Ultama

[Ultama]

You three all expressed the desire to lynch me earlier in the day. I am hoping that Alkend, Bek Okhan, Fanderay and Sorrit will vote the other way. Not sure on what Tulas will do.

[Bek Okhan]

Right, Ultama's take on Pallid is utter BS. Why would he even try risking his leader on thread? Reads as far more likely that Ultama is steering attention away.


Vote Ultama

[Ultama]

Puts me on 4 votes with Bek's double vote.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 5. 5 hours and 57 minutes remaining

9 Players still alive: Alkend, Bek Okhan, Fanderay, Iparth Erule, Kessobahn, Lock, Sorrit, Tulas Shorn, Ultama

5 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Tulas Shorn ( Alkend )
3 Votes for Ultama ( Lock, Kessobahn, Bek Okhan )
2 Votes for Lock ( Ultama, Iparth Erule )

Players not voted: Fanderay, Sorrit, Tulas Shorn

[Sorrit]

Lock, on 08 February 2017 - 11:56 PM, said:

Ok, so Ultama is the Fifth leader. Compare their posts to the Fifth leader's announcements. If you can't tell who it is then hang your head in shame. Also giving it away is the attempts to be too clever by half in the announcements.

This confirms my guess on who Ultama I think

Lock, on 09 February 2017 - 04:14 PM, said:

Alright, let's see what we see.

First, just examine the syntax in Ultama's posts and compare it to the announcements for the Fifth leader. They're very similar and they both, incidentally, reflect a certain player. Shortish sentences, usually beginning without pronouns but with verbs or adjecives ("Attack...", "Looks like")

Anyways, relatedly, here's a message from Fifth boss:

Path-Shaper, on 07 February 2017 - 04:40 PM, said:

The leader of the Fifth makes the following announcement:

Quote

Attack the same as last night. If we can get a heal on Telas that would be great, our young Druid.

Here's Ultama's 'interpretation' a few hours later (some, but not a great deal of comment on the Fifth's message, so Ultama steps in):

Ultama, on 07 February 2017 - 08:29 PM, said:

This does look like steering away from a leader. Interesting if we lynch Telas over Trake and Telas turns out to be what he said he was.

Iparth didn't vote Trake yesterday and Alkend was against it. Looks like culture hunt could be used properly against Trakr's faction.

Notice how it's trying to be subtle. It looks like it's suggesting we lynch Telas, but actually it's all about making a case for lynching Trake (as proven by the second line).

I would probably have never made that connection alone but I can kinda see where you're coming from, although it seems like you're deliberately overdoing it with the last line. I agree that going after Fith is the next logical step and Ultama's last posts certainly suggest you're atleast right they're a Fifth member. Don't have better alternative and I think this is our best shot, depending on results I think we might want to look at Tulas or Alkend the next day. I should be somehow around until timeout to hammer.

[Lock]

Okay, Telas and Fanderay, are they the same person. I'm not as convinced of this as I was a couple of hours ago, mainly because I took another look at Sorrit (and I'll post those too in a minute). But here's the argument for:

A couple of general things before I get into the posts below: Both tended to use a notable amount of exclamation marks early on, but both also cut down on them around the same time. Both also use quotation marks rather than apostrophes for speech marks (but they share this with others). There are a couple of things both do that no one else seems to:

Telas, on 31 January 2017 - 06:51 PM, said:

I just noticed this post:

Gamelon, on 31 January 2017 - 09:04 AM, said:

Hmm, that didn't quite come out right. But I'll take anybody's love, especially someone who's willing to provide me with some food

Might be worth someone checking, but I think that's the only time someone has used the ice-cream emoji on thread. I think that makes Alkend's theory about Gamelon being the other half of the set up seem a bit more likely.

When Telas wrote something above a quoted post, they left no gap/blank line between the two. Fanderay also did this (however, not every single time, it must be pointed out):

Fanderay, on 31 January 2017 - 09:24 PM, said:

OK, I think it's time to open the voting booths for the game.

Vote Omtose

I think there's a decent chance that Omtose is the Survivor. 2 reasons for this:

- On the first page of the thread he was the first to bring up information about Barbarian Role PMs. The Survivor is a Barbarian.

Omtose, on 30 January 2017 - 04:35 PM, said:

Rogues and a bunch of magic-types all get puppet-making skills.

Of course given how many Barbarians are around, double-votes are likely to take care of those puppets.

- In this discussion about the message from Shameless Henry, he was the first to suggest that the numerical ordering of the factions in the OP might not correspond to their actual roles. As many people have pointed out, it's easy to figure out that the roles are listed in a logical order by comparing your own position on the role PM. But if you were the Survivor, you wouldn't be able to do that (since the Survivor is in a list of one).

Omtose, on 31 January 2017 - 05:07 PM, said:

It's also interesting that Alkend made the presumption that Shameless Henry is the leader. Since Blend didn't actually say that's what the order is on-thread.

What do the rest of you think?

In the above post Fanderay also does something which Telas did, which is use of hyphens as bullet points:

Telas, on 01 February 2017 - 05:44 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 01 February 2017 - 02:55 PM, said:

7 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

9 Votes for Omtose ( Fanderay, Kessobahn, Pallid, Gamelon, Alkend, Ultama, Lock, Sorrit, Iparth Erule )

So from this, we can conclude that:

- Iparth Erule's vote must definitely count (otherwise they couldn't have been the hammer).

Some of the following must be true:

- There were puppets on the train.
- Redshirt the Clanless had an ability that meant people needed extra votes to lynch him.
- Someone has an ability that suppresses other players' votes somehow, and they used it on someone on the train.

To do any more analysis, we'll probably need another train to cross-reference with.

Both also like to use hyphens within their posts in general (like Telas below. I've forgotten to include a Fanderay example but I can go find one).

Telas, on 31 January 2017 - 07:30 PM, said:

Well, regardless - I do fit the pattern, but I was kind of hoping we could leave it ambiguous to see if we could winkle out any more interesting perspectives from others on the thread. Guess that's not going to happen now though.

Here's Fanderay doing something similar to Ultama, looking like they're suspicious of Telas but actually pointing to Trake instead.

Fanderay, on 07 February 2017 - 09:02 PM, said:

I can see arguments for both Trake and Telas today. Trake caused a shitstorm on thread, has multiple alts and has finds. Telas is pretty much confirmed Fifth and has guards, plus it's not clear if that ckain of being an alt is actually true.

Comparing the two threat levels though, a finder is much more dangerous to everyone.

Vote Trake

Now, an interesting difference between the two: Telas, when editing posts, said EDIT:
Fanderay, as below, writes ETA:

Does this mean they're not the same person, or is it deliberate (and it is certain that the Telas player has gone to some trouble to disguise themselves)?

Well, as Sorrit pointed out straight after Fanderay's post below, there was absolutely no reason to edit the post to say that that was a cross-post. Might that perhaps suggest Fanderay did it deliberately in order to establish early on that they write ETA instead of EDIT?

Fanderay, on 30 January 2017 - 06:21 PM, said:

Omtose, on 30 January 2017 - 04:35 PM, said:

Rogues and a bunch of magic-types all get puppet-making skills.

Of course given how many Barbarians are around, double-votes are likely to take care of those puppets.

Interesting that you know so much about Barbarians, Omtose.


ETA: X-post with Telas

But, speaking of Sorrit...

[Ultama]

Sorrit, on 09 February 2017 - 04:47 PM, said:

Lock, on 08 February 2017 - 11:56 PM, said:

Ok, so Ultama is the Fifth leader. Compare their posts to the Fifth leader's announcements. If you can't tell who it is then hang your head in shame. Also giving it away is the attempts to be too clever by half in the announcements.

This confirms my guess on who Ultama I think

Lock, on 09 February 2017 - 04:14 PM, said:

Alright, let's see what we see.

First, just examine the syntax in Ultama's posts and compare it to the announcements for the Fifth leader. They're very similar and they both, incidentally, reflect a certain player. Shortish sentences, usually beginning without pronouns but with verbs or adjecives ("Attack...", "Looks like")

Anyways, relatedly, here's a message from Fifth boss:

Path-Shaper, on 07 February 2017 - 04:40 PM, said:

The leader of the Fifth makes the following announcement:

Quote

Attack the same as last night. If we can get a heal on Telas that would be great, our young Druid.

Here's Ultama's 'interpretation' a few hours later (some, but not a great deal of comment on the Fifth's message, so Ultama steps in):

Ultama, on 07 February 2017 - 08:29 PM, said:

This does look like steering away from a leader. Interesting if we lynch Telas over Trake and Telas turns out to be what he said he was.

Iparth didn't vote Trake yesterday and Alkend was against it. Looks like culture hunt could be used properly against Trakr's faction.

Notice how it's trying to be subtle. It looks like it's suggesting we lynch Telas, but actually it's all about making a case for lynching Trake (as proven by the second line).

I would probably have never made that connection alone but I can kinda see where you're coming from, although it seems like you're deliberately overdoing it with the last line. I agree that going after Fith is the next logical step and Ultama's last posts certainly suggest you're atleast right they're a Fifth member. Don't have better alternative and I think this is our best shot, depending on results I think we might want to look at Tulas or Alkend the next day. I should be somehow around until timeout to hammer.

You would not want to vote Lock?

[Lock]

Actually, it only just struck me that Fandy's post is a cross-post with Telas, which they then point out is a cross-post with Telas in the edit...

Now people have deliberately cross-posted with themselves in previous games when they've had multiple alts, in order to make it seem like they can't be the same person (it's easy to do if you have more than one device to post from).

[Ultama]

Lock has an LP and I have personally hit him for 3 damage every night since night one. Your swapping a potential leader in Lock for someone like me. It's hilarious, and if you look at how the alts are distributed then you will see this will be the wrong decision in the long run. Each faction is down to 3 alts. I know this for a fact.

[Sorrit]

Ultama, on 09 February 2017 - 04:48 PM, said:

Sorrit, on 09 February 2017 - 04:47 PM, said:

Lock, on 08 February 2017 - 11:56 PM, said:

Ok, so Ultama is the Fifth leader. Compare their posts to the Fifth leader's announcements. If you can't tell who it is then hang your head in shame. Also giving it away is the attempts to be too clever by half in the announcements.

This confirms my guess on who Ultama I think

Lock, on 09 February 2017 - 04:14 PM, said:

Alright, let's see what we see.

First, just examine the syntax in Ultama's posts and compare it to the announcements for the Fifth leader. They're very similar and they both, incidentally, reflect a certain player. Shortish sentences, usually beginning without pronouns but with verbs or adjecives ("Attack...", "Looks like")

Anyways, relatedly, here's a message from Fifth boss:

Path-Shaper, on 07 February 2017 - 04:40 PM, said:

The leader of the Fifth makes the following announcement:

Quote

Attack the same as last night. If we can get a heal on Telas that would be great, our young Druid.

Here's Ultama's 'interpretation' a few hours later (some, but not a great deal of comment on the Fifth's message, so Ultama steps in):

Ultama, on 07 February 2017 - 08:29 PM, said:

This does look like steering away from a leader. Interesting if we lynch Telas over Trake and Telas turns out to be what he said he was.

Iparth didn't vote Trake yesterday and Alkend was against it. Looks like culture hunt could be used properly against Trakr's faction.

Notice how it's trying to be subtle. It looks like it's suggesting we lynch Telas, but actually it's all about making a case for lynching Trake (as proven by the second line).

I would probably have never made that connection alone but I can kinda see where you're coming from, although it seems like you're deliberately overdoing it with the last line. I agree that going after Fith is the next logical step and Ultama's last posts certainly suggest you're atleast right they're a Fifth member. Don't have better alternative and I think this is our best shot, depending on results I think we might want to look at Tulas or Alkend the next day. I should be somehow around until timeout to hammer.

You would not want to vote Lock?

Would want to vote Lock if what?

[Lock]

Ultama, on 09 February 2017 - 04:53 PM, said:

Lock has an LP and I have personally hit him for 3 damage every night since night one. Your swapping a potential leader in Lock for someone like me. It's hilarious, and if you look at how the alts are distributed then you will see this will be the wrong decision in the long run. Each faction is down to 3 alts. I know this for a fact.

Someone like you? You mean, a leader? If I have an LP that's definitely the first I've heard of it. You're starting to sound a little panicky. As for your damage: as I said before, I've had very little impact on this game (mainly because of time constraints, partly because I used random.org to pick my abilities, which ended up defensive), and I don't expect to last much longer.

[Lock]

And also, hitting me is exactly what the Fifth leader first instructed, if I recall So good to know you've been following your own instructions.