[Alkend]

aw come on man!

gamelon/ hanas was the call!

right, watching another ep of the 99.

then we hunt.

wait, who did you N1?

[Ultama]

I'd like to see some input from everyone left alive before I hand scum a target. Going off WCS, we will have 50% chance of a hit, so it's not terrible

[Alkend]

ok then

Ultama, Fanderay, Gameon, Alkend, Serc, Hanas.

knock two out of the list (myself and ultama) Leaves us with an interesting little list. Gamelon has pulled heat for two days, so going to check how he ties in with mockra first

[Alkend]

Omtose, on 04 January 2017 - 06:47 PM, said:

Based on those early interactions I'd finger Fanderay as scum partner so good of you to get on the train Fandy

Not going to rush putting a vote down but I will be here off and on between now and timeout, certainly able and willing to vote.

sorry, WIFOM alert.
reading the train post reveal and this just leapt at me. Looks like a frame job though

[Fanderay]

This exchange on Day 2 stuck in my mind when I was thinking about the implications of Mockra being scum:

Hanas, on 31 December 2016 - 01:47 AM, said:

Mockra, on 31 December 2016 - 12:58 AM, said:

Fanderay, on 31 December 2016 - 12:48 AM, said:

Mockra, on 30 December 2016 - 11:12 PM, said:

I would be fine voting for AF to get a lynch. I will not do so right now because it would put him at L-1, but as long as no other person does something spectacularly stupid I believe AF would be as good a lynch as we are likely to get. Although I do feel the need to mention that I don't believe he is the best lynch for today (I've never seen scum acting so conspicuously before). His lynch will regardless provide valuable information to us.

What do you mean by this Mockra? Because it sounds to me a bit like you're hoping someone does something that gives you an excuse to lynch them. That's not a mentality I'd expect town to have...

That's supposed to cover the possibility that someone on thread says something like "That's why I'm NKing you tonight, you idiot. Also called spectacularly stupid.

Yeah it seems pretty obvious to me, the second option didn't even occur to me, I find it a bit strange that it did to you Fande

It almost felt like Hanas was surprised that I attacked Mockra. At the time I figured it was Hanas trying to put a little bit of heat on me to see if I squirmed, but now it feels like there's an alternative hypothesis. Maybe they were a pair and thought I was their symp? Could explain the gentle "are you sure?" tone to it, which you don't normally see in a Mafia game, an also why Hanas came to Mockra's defense.

Anyway, not 100% convinced by that hypothesis (you have to remember that Hanas dropped a case on Mockra early on Day 2 - we should probably go back and take a look?), but maybe a theory to consider.

EDIT: punctuation.

This post has been edited by Fanderay: 04 January 2017 - 11:18 PM

[Alkend]

I'm just rereading thr whole thread, too much isolation is causing me such contextual problems

[Fanderay]

Alkend, on 04 January 2017 - 11:21 PM, said:

I'm just rereading thr whole thread, too much isolation is causing me such contextual problems

Cool, well make sure you write up what you find! At this point we need everyone's perspective. I'm out of time for the evening, but will try and do a brain dump of thoughts sometime tomorrow.

[Alkend]

It's Serc or Fanderay

[Alkend]

Hanas I scratched off the list because he first out of the traps to vote Mockra D2, without any real shade being thrown at mockra and its a reasonably solid post not a throwaway distancing post. so he is town imo
I am town
Ultama is town
Gamelon is town.


so its Serc or Fanderay. I'm just torn as I have a few things scribbled down for each. rereading.
but Beks death- serc related?
Fanderay, when the Gamelon train failed, made sure that AF was seen as a sympish lynch kind of, to set up the game train again 9need to verify that one)

[Alkend]

Fanderay, on 04 January 2017 - 03:04 PM, said:

Ultama, on 04 January 2017 - 02:49 PM, said:

I was feeling strongly about lynching her, but I'd rather admit a mistake than chase my own tail trying to think of possible configurations if she was a symp.

OK, that's basically what I was fishing for. Reading back, your play for the first couple of days was pretty single-minded in your pursuit of AF, and you've pivoted pretty smoothly onto Mockra from there. How would you compare your level of conviction now with your feelings on AF Days 1 and 2?

fishing for a claim, surprised your team mate is suddenly catching flak? after Hanas was the one to vote for him out the gap D2 and you threw a bit of suspicion at Hanas (the mid length post I quoted.... pre Mockra lynch?)

[Alkend]

Fanderay, on 04 January 2017 - 11:18 PM, said:

This exchange on Day 2 stuck in my mind when I was thinking about the implications of Mockra being scum:

Hanas, on 31 December 2016 - 01:47 AM, said:

Mockra, on 31 December 2016 - 12:58 AM, said:

Fanderay, on 31 December 2016 - 12:48 AM, said:

Mockra, on 30 December 2016 - 11:12 PM, said:

I would be fine voting for AF to get a lynch. I will not do so right now because it would put him at L-1, but as long as no other person does something spectacularly stupid I believe AF would be as good a lynch as we are likely to get. Although I do feel the need to mention that I don't believe he is the best lynch for today (I've never seen scum acting so conspicuously before). His lynch will regardless provide valuable information to us.

What do you mean by this Mockra? Because it sounds to me a bit like you're hoping someone does something that gives you an excuse to lynch them. That's not a mentality I'd expect town to have...

That's supposed to cover the possibility that someone on thread says something like "That's why I'm NKing you tonight, you idiot. Also called spectacularly stupid.

Yeah it seems pretty obvious to me, the second option didn't even occur to me, I find it a bit strange that it did to you Fande

It almost felt like Hanas was surprised that I attacked Mockra. At the time I figured it was Hanas trying to put a little bit of heat on me to see if I squirmed, but now it feels like there's an alternative hypothesis. Maybe they were a pair and thought I was their symp? Could explain the gentle "are you sure?" tone to it, which you don't normally see in a Mafia game, an also why Hanas came to Mockra's defense.

Anyway, not 100% convinced by that hypothesis (you have to remember that Hanas dropped a case on Mockra early on Day 2 - we should probably go back and take a look?), but maybe a theory to consider.

EDIT: punctuation.

argh, now I'm just seeing so much on Fanderay that it could easily be a case of wood for the trees or whatever that saying is.

not voting yet, going to bed. need to read through Serc properly again tomorrow morning and fand too

[Ultama]

Off to bed, will be rereading the thread tomorrow. We have 48 hours, so let's think this through and nail Kira to start the weekend well.

[Alkend]

Think it's serc now.

This is going to be a shitty nights sleep

[Alkend]

I finally understand the meaning of the phrase cold sweats. last night was horrific, I hate being sick.

now, in the last 12 hours no one has had any thoughts?

Bueller, anyone?

[Fanderay]

Alkend, on 05 January 2017 - 12:03 AM, said:

Hanas I scratched off the list because he first out of the traps to vote Mockra D2, without any real shade being thrown at mockra and its a reasonably solid post not a throwaway distancing post. so he is town imo
I am town
Ultama is town
Gamelon is town.


so its Serc or Fanderay. I'm just torn as I have a few things scribbled down for each. rereading.
but Beks death- serc related?
Fanderay, when the Gamelon train failed, made sure that AF was seen as a sympish lynch kind of, to set up the game train again 9need to verify that one)

What's your reasoning behind Gamelon being town, sorry? I must have missed that.

[Alkend]

its fairly simple.
Gamelon is, imo, 100% not our killer
I am 100% not our killer
unless ultama is a fucking genious, imo 100% not our killer
Hanas I'm probably at about 80/90%

its between you and serc

[Alkend]

its almost like you were lurking waiting for me or someone to post so you could fish with that question. Couple that with your fishing on the Ultama vote on mockra and claim...

still have to go reread serc though.

[Gamelon]

I don't really find Alkend scummy at all. My earlier read on him turned up nothing.

Ultama is the Finder.

I honestly don't have that good a read on Hanas, need to remedy that tonight.

Serc has been very low posting and jumping in and out.

Fanderay - uptil a day ago I would have said that Fanderay has played a very towny game, but a few things have irked me recently. I need to take a close look at him tonight as well.

Wonder what Alkend will turn up.

Hope to be here in 2-3 hours

[Alkend]

I just read from the start of d3 through there to the lynch.

Ultama throws out the solid case on mockra (pre reveal)

Serc fires at Gamelon
Fandera practically ignores and sprays supicion in several directions and references the AF symp thing again.


I'm still torn, I'm swaying towards Fandera, but thats likely because Serc did so damned little yesterday.
going for serc in isolation now

[Alkend]

well fuck me that didn't take long.

Serc old buddy, gonna need to hear something from you.