[Path-Shaper]

Killers' Convo 11

Spoiler

Serc, on 04 January 2017 - 11:03 PM, said:

Yes, I agree that they seem oblivious to our numbers and think they have one scum and possibly an already dead symp.

Hanas, on 04 January 2017 - 11:07 PM, said:

As such - it appears I'm more likely to get lynched than you at this point - if you made a case and went hard for me and I got lynched, that could give you quite an advantage should they assume the last scum is an inherited symp, well but the symp could have been told about the inheritance and you making a case and going hard would seem out of place, nevermind this I guess

Serc, on 04 January 2017 - 11:12 PM, said:

We should wait and see which way the wind is blowing methinks. But maybe you ought to make an appearence of some sort before too long.

Hanas, on 04 January 2017 - 11:30 PM, said:

I think I'm going to do so tommorow claiming I came here after we've got the lynch but before resolution so I went straight to bed instead
Might add me some casualty I guess and will give me some time to think
Although as I said I don't expect to have exactly loads of time tommorow either but I'll be active on Friday if nothing else

If I made a case on you though and got lynched...Why would I distance from anyone at this point? The only scenario they could possibly think of is knowing the symp would inherit and me suspecting you're the symp
Althouh that is still possible and I don't think I can make a case on you that'd be good enough to be viewed as serious enough in the aftermath

Hanas, on 04 January 2017 - 11:40 PM, said:

Ultama - Sierg
Gamelon - Ando
Fanderay - ST
Alkend - Macros

So, Ando is totally going to go after me, it wouldn't be Ando if he didn't
ST's little hypothesis will be gnawing on the back of his mind until the very moment I'm dead
For Mac it seems to be either me or Ando
Sierg...

Ultama, on 04 January 2017 - 03:15 PM, said:

Interestingly, Serc has appeared once, after I voted Mockra, just to vote Gamelon and vanish again. This stinks.

Alright this doesn't look good. Not at all. Looks like he changed the find onto Omtose from you.

Hanas, on 05 January 2017 - 12:01 AM, said:

Alkend, on 04 January 2017 - 11:57 PM, said:

It's Serc or Fanderay

Well this atleast brings more diversity of their opinions that I expected

Hanas, on 05 January 2017 - 12:16 AM, said:

The "they might ahve thought I'm their symp" thing by Fande makes bo sense to me, that's good

Serc, on 05 January 2017 - 12:19 AM, said:

Alkend was miffed that Ultama didn't check Gamelon or you. Now he is thinking it's me or Fandy. His sudden about face can work in our favor. Unless you want to go with his latest thinking. But i doubt we could get Fandy lynched. So the alternative is me. Let's see what develops.

Hanas, on 05 January 2017 - 12:28 AM, said:

Serc, on 05 January 2017 - 12:19 AM, said:

But i doubt we could get Fandy lynched.

Yeah I'm aware of that, but I want to try it. ButI need to leave an alternative option open. At this point I'm not entirely sure which one of us has better chances to pull it through if the second one was to be lynched today

Hanas, on 05 January 2017 - 09:57 PM, said:

Who do you think is most likely to be a healer?

Ando's doesn't appear any unusual at all to me, I'm going to check what Mac played liek when he was roled later but for now

kill Alkend

Because by hitting healer we have the best chance of not having our target healed by him even though it doesn't metter who we kill if we manage to lynch right

[Path-Shaper]

Killers' Convo 12

Spoiler

Hanas, on 06 January 2017 - 12:22 AM, said:

Hanas, on 06 January 2017 - 12:17 AM, said:

Alkend, on 06 January 2017 - 12:07 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 29 December 2016 - 03:21 AM, said:

It is Day 1. 1.25 hours remain,

12 Players still alive:

7 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.

1 vote serc:, BO,
7 vote pallid:serc. mockra, Aparal forge, fanderay, hanas, pallid.ultama


Players not voted:Gamelon,tulas, Alkend, Omtose

As per majority rule

Pallid has been lynched

Pallid was Tatts and a detective (RI)

Night order time

He then switched to pallid reluctantly to get the lynch.
Stating he suspected Hamelin more.

D2, not interested.

I wonder how you misinterpreted that so badly

Ah, I didn't even check it when I went for the quotes. I've had Ultama as not Gamelon's partner with connection to the vote in memory since Fande mentioned it in a post while ago, for some reason I was assuming it was D2. I guess I skipped that concrete part when rereading because of that too.

I almost posted it with an addition that said something along the lines "Even though I'm aware it makes no sense when I think on it"

Mac would have devoured me alive.

Hanas, on 06 January 2017 - 12:28 AM, said:

Fanderay, on 03 January 2017 - 01:26 PM, said:

So, after all that I feel like Hanas isn't all that high up in my list of suspicions. There's a read of his behaviour that his Day 2 vote for Mockra could have been aggressive distancing, especially when coupled with his slight defense of Mockra later on in the day. That train never had any traction and he was able to step off it to drop the hammer pretty easily. But for now that's not my operating hypothesis.

Ah, fuck, why did he post this BEFORE Ultama's case? I was intending to follow up on the "killers might have suspected Ult's the finder"(which I've come up mainly for this) thing with this being very suspicious if it was the case but when I come for the quote I find it was posted before it, ARGH.

- and I also almost posted this message on the thread(so something like that actually can possibly happen LP...). I'm going to bed right now.

Serc, on 06 January 2017 - 03:25 AM, said:

I think Fanderay is the Healer. He mentioned the NK and why Ultama wasn't targeted after the reveal. He made no mention of the obvious possibility Ultama wasn't targeted due to the assumtion of a Healer's presence. Omitting the possibility suggests that Fanderay himself is the Healer.


Do you think Alkend is the right target for tonight? Mac is the only person actively mistrustful of Fanderay. One of us is going to survive the lynch (probably you). If we target Fanderay we may get the Healer and with Mac riding Fanderay today he won't look good when Fandy is dead.

Hanas, on 06 January 2017 - 06:03 AM, said:

Dunno, I thought he could've omitted it intentionally to look like he didn't take it into consideration and look like he's not the healer but he followed with finders being lethal in lategame which suggests he did and still think the killers should've targeted Ultama

I agree about the kill, I didn't really think about that very much, mostly just wanted to have some order in just in case. I haven't even checked one of Mac's roles games yet.

Kill Fanderay

If lynched kill Alkend

I was suspecting that Ultama found Alkend N1(before the different days mistake) and so wanted to look like I thought Alkend to be town before Ultama revealed it forgetting to take Gam being the find possibility into consideration

Perhaps Ultama found someone who's already dead

Hanas, on 06 January 2017 - 06:28 AM, said:

The more I'm thinking the less I think Alkend could be lynched the next day, especially if he decides to go after you over Fande

I think he's played too town of a game to be lynched over anyone of the two of us who should survive. Thing is Ultama will likely find the other one of the two of us but we'll see about their suspects later I guess.
Anyway if we don't lynch correctly this night our chances to win are far too low and we'd probably need to lynch Fande anyway.

Hanas, on 06 January 2017 - 09:20 AM, said:

Fuck

Hanas, on 06 January 2017 - 12:08 PM, said:

At the moment it doesn't seem like there is a way to save you, there's still the chance that Alkend will come up with something new that I could support though.
Guess I'll just wait for him and then either vote for you or night if he doesn't

You get lynched - 1v3 tommorow - two more nights and a day to parity, Ultama has only one night to perform a find
We go to night - 2v3 tommorow, you get found and lynched, 1v2 the next day - two nights and a two days to parity, Ultama still has only one night to perform a find

Serc, on 06 January 2017 - 05:34 PM, said:

Yeah, it looks like they're going to go to night. And Ultama has revealed that Fandy was his Night 1 find. That takes all the steam out of Alkend's suspicions and he'll abandon that avenue. Going to night is better than one of us (me) getting lynched though. Ultama will likely target me tonight.


There is the question of whether or not there is a Healer. With 3 Scum who are aware of one another I don't see how there could NOT be a Healer in this game, but if there isn't one, I'm going to kick myself from here to China!

Serc, on 06 January 2017 - 05:36 PM, said:

Oh, yeah. Better get in our orders before nightfall.


Kill Fanderay

If lynched, Kill Alkend

Hanas, on 06 January 2017 - 05:39 PM, said:

Serc, on 06 January 2017 - 05:34 PM, said:

Yeah, it looks like they're going to go to night. And Ultama has revealed that Fandy was his Night 1 find. That takes all the steam out of Alkend's suspicions and he'll abandon that avenue. Going to night is better than one of us (me) getting lynched though. Ultama will likely target me tonight.


There is the question of whether or not there is a Healer. With 3 Scum who are aware of one another I don't see how there could NOT be a Healer in this game, but if there isn't one, I'm going to kick myself from here to China!

Actually lynching you seems better to me, the difference is there will be more players on the dday if we lynch which means more targets to choose from for Ultama and more people on the dday which means bigger suspect pool

[Path-Shaper]

Killers' Convo 13

Spoiler

Hanas, on 06 January 2017 - 05:40 PM, said:

At this situation I don't think we can afford to target Ultama, hopefully the healer won't take the risk and target Fanderay...

Hanas, on 06 January 2017 - 05:42 PM, said:

Hanas, on 06 January 2017 - 05:39 PM, said:

Serc, on 06 January 2017 - 05:34 PM, said:

Yeah, it looks like they're going to go to night. And Ultama has revealed that Fandy was his Night 1 find. That takes all the steam out of Alkend's suspicions and he'll abandon that avenue. Going to night is better than one of us (me) getting lynched though. Ultama will likely target me tonight.


There is the question of whether or not there is a Healer. With 3 Scum who are aware of one another I don't see how there could NOT be a Healer in this game, but if there isn't one, I'm going to kick myself from here to China!

Actually lynching you seems better to me, the difference is there will be more players on the dday if we lynch which means more targets to choose from for Ultama and more people on the dday which means bigger suspect pool

And if Ultama targets me we might even be over with this before the weekend *shrug*

Hanas, on 06 January 2017 - 06:04 PM, said:

And having been pro-lynch once you CF could also give me some advantage

Serc, on 06 January 2017 - 06:16 PM, said:

Well, if you think that's the way to go, then I'll go along. Thing is, with Ultama in the game, I don't think we stand much of a chance of winning no matter what we do. Maybe we should not have changed our NK yesterday and left it on Ultama? Want to take the chance of targeting him tonight? Take the chance that there is no healer and maybe pull victory from the jaws of defeat?

Serc, on 06 January 2017 - 06:18 PM, said:

Hanas, on 06 January 2017 - 05:42 PM, said:

Hanas, on 06 January 2017 - 05:39 PM, said:

Serc, on 06 January 2017 - 05:34 PM, said:

Yeah, it looks like they're going to go to night. And Ultama has revealed that Fandy was his Night 1 find. That takes all the steam out of Alkend's suspicions and he'll abandon that avenue. Going to night is better than one of us (me) getting lynched though. Ultama will likely target me tonight.


There is the question of whether or not there is a Healer. With 3 Scum who are aware of one another I don't see how there could NOT be a Healer in this game, but if there isn't one, I'm going to kick myself from here to China!

Actually lynching you seems better to me, the difference is there will be more players on the dday if we lynch which means more targets to choose from for Ultama and more people on the dday which means bigger suspect pool

And if Ultama targets me we might even be over with this before the weekend *shrug*

Yeah, that is the worst case scenario there. I'm pretty positive he's going to look at me tonight. If I'm already out of the way he may take a look at you instead.

Serc, on 06 January 2017 - 06:22 PM, said:

Gamelon has switched from Serc to Night. Alkend is ready to vote Night too. If you're going to act against me you're going to have to get in there with a caase soon. You can tell them to hold off for a bit and you'll be back with something convincing.

Serc, on 06 January 2017 - 06:25 PM, said:

I think it's 2 votes for Night (Ultama, Gamelon) with Fandy and Alkend just waiting to hear from us. I'll go in there right after this mssg and say I'm willing to vote night, without voting just yet.

Hanas, on 06 January 2017 - 06:26 PM, said:

No you're actually right, ngiht is better as the only difference is if we go to night there will be one player less and we're not killing any suspects

Serc, on 06 January 2017 - 06:28 PM, said:

Okay. What do you think of blowing our load on a shot at Ultama?

Hanas, on 06 January 2017 - 06:28 PM, said:

Yeah after you're away I'll probably be either found by Ultama or Alkend will be proven townie and then I'll be lynched

[Path-Shaper]

Killers' Convo 14

Spoiler

Hanas, on 06 January 2017 - 06:30 PM, said:

Since we're going to night, the best option for the two NK's would be hitting healer if there's one first and attempting Ultama's life the second? I think you'll be lynched whether you're found or not

Serc, on 06 January 2017 - 06:31 PM, said:

Alrighty. Then we stay with Fandy.

Hanas, on 06 January 2017 - 06:31 PM, said:

whether we'd hit the healer or not the first night I can still attempt at Utlama's life without knowing whether there is healer or not just ike we'd do now?

Serc, on 06 January 2017 - 06:34 PM, said:

Right. We can still get more desperate, so save the desperation shot at Ultama for then.

Serc, on 06 January 2017 - 06:47 PM, said:

Jeez, our cross posting is going to draw some attention sooner than later.

Hanas, on 06 January 2017 - 06:48 PM, said:

Serc, on 06 January 2017 - 06:47 PM, said:

Jeez, our cross posting is going to draw some attention sooner than later.

Just came here to say the same thing

Serc, on 06 January 2017 - 06:51 PM, said:

I swear, if there isn't a healer i really am going to go berserk!

Hanas, on 06 January 2017 - 06:55 PM, said:

Serc, on 06 January 2017 - 06:51 PM, said:

I swear, if there isn't a healer i really am going to go berserk!

Who would've expected that absence of a healer could possibly be more pro-town than their presence, if there was one we could've already killed them and moved onto Ultama

Serc, on 06 January 2017 - 06:57 PM, said:

I just made a huge blunder on thread. Meant to post here and it wound up there. I edited it but it may have been seen and changing it may have been against the rules. sorry. Don't think I implicated you, just myself.

Serc, on 06 January 2017 - 06:59 PM, said:

Fuck. Fandy saw it and quoted it. so sorry!

[Path-Shaper]

Killers' Convo 15

Spoiler

Hanas, on 06 January 2017 - 07:00 PM, said:

Haha, well at least you've already hammered going to night

I think you should have just deleted it right away, don't think it's against the rules in this case

Serc, on 06 January 2017 - 07:02 PM, said:

I didn't see the delete option. Not sure if there is one in mafia forum. Also, i don't think i did hammer night. I was just 3rd vote I think.

Serc, on 06 January 2017 - 07:05 PM, said:

We're fucked. I am an IDIOT!!!!1

Hanas, on 06 January 2017 - 07:06 PM, said:

I thought going to night only requires half of the players as opposed to over a half in the case of lynch?

Hanas, on 06 January 2017 - 07:07 PM, said:

If Serc's lynched Kill Ultama

Otherwise Kill Fanderay

then I guess

Hanas, on 06 January 2017 - 07:07 PM, said:

Serc, on 06 January 2017 - 07:02 PM, said:

I didn't see the delete option. Not sure if there is one in mafia forum.

Yeah you're right, didn't know this

Hanas, on 06 January 2017 - 07:10 PM, said:

Or just Kill Ultama

Doesn't look like he will be bothering with finding you even if we went to night

Serc, on 06 January 2017 - 07:11 PM, said:

Should i just admit i screwed up or should I go hide in the wood pile? My main concern is that I probably broke the rules by editing.

Hanas, on 06 January 2017 - 07:14 PM, said:

Serc, on 06 January 2017 - 07:11 PM, said:

Should i just admit i screwed up or should I go hide in the wood pile? My main concern is that I probably broke the rules by editing.

Technically you did but I think this is a case where such edit is justifiable.

If I pretend like I'm not here we can still go to night without a lynch

Hanas, on 06 January 2017 - 07:14 PM, said:

also...

SEE LP?! IT REALLY CAN HAPPEN!

explanation for Kruppe: In the first D&D game over a year ago Tatts kidnapped LP's alt and pretended to post a message that was meant for PS by mistake and made LP look like he possessed the ability to steal alts, as a result he was quickly lynched - mainly by the members of his own team including me. You can imagine his comments of disbelief in SH. The best on this whole thing was that Tatts was also on the same team

[Path-Shaper]

Killers' Convo 16

Spoiler

Serc, on 06 January 2017 - 07:18 PM, said:

Shit. i already admitted I screwed up on thread. The worst part of the whole thing is that now they know it isn't just a killer and a symp they are dealing with. I really am sorry i screwed up so royally, Nom.
Better get in there with your vote.

Hanas, on 06 January 2017 - 07:23 PM, said:

Shit happens

I'm still wondering why do we need more than half of players to go to night?

Serc, on 06 January 2017 - 07:26 PM, said:

Well, if it just takes half to go to night, then they can't lynch me. Still, Ultama is now free to look elsewhere. Hope it's not you. Maybe he'll be killed in the night. Fuck! How could I be such an idiot?!?


I'll look in the rules quick to see if voting night just takes half and if it is so, I will inform them of that.

Hanas, on 06 January 2017 - 07:26 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 25 December 2016 - 08:29 PM, said:

It is Day 1. 48 hours remain, timer is frozen

12 Players still alive:

7 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.

Path-Shaper, on 06 January 2017 - 03:10 AM, said:

6 players alive: (Ultama, Fanderay, Gameon, Alkend, Serc, Hanas)
4 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go night

It was half at the beginning? MM bug? Don't think anybody has reported this bug yet. Am I missing something?

Serc, on 06 January 2017 - 07:27 PM, said:

Remove kill vote for Fanderay.


Kill Ultama

Serc, on 06 January 2017 - 07:29 PM, said:

yes, the change in midstream seems odd. Probably a typo. Still, don't you bring it up. Leave it to me.

Hanas, on 06 January 2017 - 07:29 PM, said:

Someone finally log into the PS and end the suffering so we can see that there was a healer and it's not Fande and we actually had no real chance!

Hanas, on 06 January 2017 - 07:31 PM, said:

Well tehy're speaking like the game was basically over, atleast they apparently haven't realised yet that what you wrote was actually a reply?

Serc, on 06 January 2017 - 07:37 PM, said:

They haven't had time to figure much out yet. Even that it's two killers and not a killer and a symp.Once they're over their euphoria the shit is gonna hit the fan.

Hanas, on 06 January 2017 - 09:30 PM, said:

Technically if you wanted to continue in LP'S policies he accepted provisionals even after the day's last vote/timeout

[Path-Shaper]

Killers' Convo 17

Spoiler

Path-Shaper, on 06 January 2017 - 09:33 PM, said:

Hanas, on 06 January 2017 - 09:30 PM, said:

Technically if you wanted to continue in LP'S policies he accepted provisionals even after the day's last vote/timeout

Your fucking dead. Don't argue it will actually go worse for you. Get your ass to SH if you want to talk. You should thank your lucky stars that I decided to do it this way.


- Venge

Hanas, on 06 January 2017 - 09:38 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 06 January 2017 - 09:33 PM, said:

Hanas, on 06 January 2017 - 09:30 PM, said:

Technically if you wanted to continue in LP'S policies he accepted provisionals even after the day's last vote/timeout

Your fucking dead. Don't argue it will actually go worse for you. Get your ass to SH if you want to talk. You should thank your lucky stars that I decided to do it this way.


- Venge

I'm not arguing, just pointing out...inconsistency. Also I posted it before I saw the nigth resolution. Also I'm alvie, Serc's dead. And ofcourse that I'm now thankful for the decision, but technically it's still inconsistent... Guess it also saved me from Ultama's find

Hanas, on 06 January 2017 - 09:54 PM, said:

Kill Gamelon, if lynched kill Alkend

Hanas, on 06 January 2017 - 10:31 PM, said:

So, Ultama was inclined to see Gamelon as town, Alkend was inclined to see me as town, Ultama obviously is town, I don't see Alkend getting lynched

So it's either me or Gam

This is fucked up even without Ultama performing a find

This woulda been a lot easier had I not made that stupid mistake, both Ultama and Mac find it scummy af

Good calls on Fande both EM and Kruppe btw!

Hanas, on 06 January 2017 - 10:41 PM, said:

I'll need to get more initiative on this and frame the shit out of Gamelon

Hanas, on 06 January 2017 - 10:48 PM, said:

Primarily I need to convince Mac, Ultama is way less decisive and so more prone to follow

Hanas, on 07 January 2017 - 03:45 PM, said:

Fuck, was hoping Ultama wouldn't bother with the alternative provisional...

Hanas, on 07 January 2017 - 04:05 PM, said:

lol

Hanas, on 07 January 2017 - 04:59 PM, said:

Kill Gamelon

Hanas, on 07 January 2017 - 05:03 PM, said:

Ah I've already done that, nevermind

Hanas, on 07 January 2017 - 05:14 PM, said:

Also, why was KoD's identity revealed?

Hanas, on 07 January 2017 - 06:46 PM, said:

I'm still alive after Gam's come, that's some success!

Hanas, on 07 January 2017 - 06:47 PM, said:

I don't expect to still be in 20 minutes tho

[Hanas]

Might aswell get here me bothering Venge too

Spoiler

Hanas, on 06 January 2017 - 08:33 PM, said:

Vengeance, on 06 January 2017 - 08:27 PM, said:

- In this particular issue since I am not strickly modding this game. I am going to stick with what PS originally put down as 4 votes for night.

What PS originally put down is that the Standard rules apply:

Path-Shaper, on 25 December 2016 - 08:29 PM, said:

Standard mafia game, standard rules apply in regards to voting etc.

48 Hour days, to begin at 5pm EST on monday (GMT-5) (cause im not going to have time in the morning to do resolutions)

For those not familiar with the world of death note, its a great show, highly reccomend.


It is Day 1. 48 hours remain, timer is frozen

12 Players still alive:

7 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.


Players not voted:Bek Okhan, Ultama, Gamelon, Hanas, Aparal Forge, Pallid, Mockra, Serc, Tulas Shorn, Fandera, Alkend, Omtose.

From the rules:

"A majority means either more than half of the active players voting for one player's lynch or half or more of the active players voting to go to night without a lynch.
Typically, if a player is modkilled during the day the majorities will not adjust.
Typically, if a player dies during the day due to a player's ability majorities will adjust."

Vengeance, on 06 January 2017 - 08:45 PM, said:

Oh I know all of the rules. I was one of the 5 people who wrote them up... Which is why I know how to bend and break them better then everyone else.

But just to be clear I also made the decision to not modkill Serc. So if you want me to be a stickler about one rule then you obviously want me to be a stickler about the other...


So you want me to modkill Serc

Players must not:

Quote

B1) Edit their posts unless to change spelling or grammar.

or do you want to let what I posted on the thread stand.....

Quote

C3) The mods reserve the right to amend the rules during the game if we realize we've forgotten to cover something.

- Venge

Vengeance, on 06 January 2017 - 08:48 PM, said:

You should really look at the thread and think what would Vengeance do in this situation? Think about the balance and what you would do if you were town instead of scum.

Hanas, on 06 January 2017 - 09:06 PM, said:

Well I'm saying this mainly because it looks like the 4 votes to night thing is a MM bug and as such it makes more sense to follow the rules that were declared consciously and deliberately, I understand that PS has been writing 4 to night the whole day but I don't think it had any impact on the game and as such it shouldn't be a problem to fix it

I know the rules forbid all edits but I feel like occasions where people accidentally post on thread instead of PM should be allowed a pass in general

Anyway, if Serc recieves the 4 votes needed will you resolve or wait for LP to deal with the situation, if I may ask?

(I guess this conversation is also against the rules but nobody reads the PS PMs)

Vengeance, on 06 January 2017 - 09:09 PM, said:

Hanas, on 06 January 2017 - 09:06 PM, said:

Well I'm saying this mainly because it looks like the 4 votes to night thing is a MM bug and as such it makes more sense to follow the rules that were declared consciously and deliberately, I understand that PS has been writing 4 to night the whole day but I don't think it had any impact on the game and as such it shouldn't be a problem to fix it

I know the rules forbid all edits but I feel like occasions where people accidentally post on thread instead of PM should be allowed a pass in general

Anyway, if Serc recieves the 4 votes needed will you resolve or wait for LP to deal with the situation, if I may ask?

(I guess this conversation is also against the rules but nobody reads the PS PMs)

As I am actively acting like PS right now it is not against the rules.

The no edits rule was specifically for people accidentally posting pms on thread. A lot of games have been lost that way. I have done it myself a time or two.

I am still making a decision on the course of the game. I will let the thread know when it is done.

Hanas, on 06 January 2017 - 09:15 PM, said:

I don't understand how does the no edits rule helps preventing people from accidentally posting PMs on thread so the games are not lost by such silly mistakes?

(I nearly did it too this game btw)

Vengeance, on 06 January 2017 - 09:30 PM, said:

It doesn't but what it does it fuck you over if you do. In other words it punishes you for making silly mistakes.

Decision has been made.

[Sir Thursday]

Hah, on Day 1 I was positive I was going to draw the NK that night. I spent quite a while fretting about it in the PMs. Seems that was a justified fear based on the killer convo! Glad your alting games led you down a different path.

I also seriously considered self-healing on N4 (which would have saved myself - apparently that was allowed), but decided guaranteeing Ultama staying alive was more important. I think that was probably still the right call given how much you guys were vacillating on the choice.

ST

[Macros]

Just read through.
Man.
Once again I made so many bad calls in this game, but I do feel that once I got over my drinky travels I sort of caught a better hold of it.

Sierg, superb performance mom hands down, one of the best town performances I have seen here in years.

[Kruppe of Darujhistan]

Hanas, on 07 January 2017 - 11:50 PM, said:

Might aswell get here me bothering Venge too

Spoiler

Hanas, on 06 January 2017 - 08:33 PM, said:

Vengeance, on 06 January 2017 - 08:27 PM, said:

- In this particular issue since I am not strickly modding this game. I am going to stick with what PS originally put down as 4 votes for night.

What PS originally put down is that the Standard rules apply:

Path-Shaper, on 25 December 2016 - 08:29 PM, said:

Standard mafia game, standard rules apply in regards to voting etc.

48 Hour days, to begin at 5pm EST on monday (GMT-5) (cause im not going to have time in the morning to do resolutions)

For those not familiar with the world of death note, its a great show, highly reccomend.


It is Day 1. 48 hours remain, timer is frozen

12 Players still alive:

7 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.


Players not voted:Bek Okhan, Ultama, Gamelon, Hanas, Aparal Forge, Pallid, Mockra, Serc, Tulas Shorn, Fandera, Alkend, Omtose.

From the rules:

"A majority means either more than half of the active players voting for one player's lynch or half or more of the active players voting to go to night without a lynch.
Typically, if a player is modkilled during the day the majorities will not adjust.
Typically, if a player dies during the day due to a player's ability majorities will adjust."

Vengeance, on 06 January 2017 - 08:45 PM, said:

Oh I know all of the rules. I was one of the 5 people who wrote them up... Which is why I know how to bend and break them better then everyone else.

But just to be clear I also made the decision to not modkill Serc. So if you want me to be a stickler about one rule then you obviously want me to be a stickler about the other...


So you want me to modkill Serc

Players must not:

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B1) Edit their posts unless to change spelling or grammar.

or do you want to let what I posted on the thread stand.....

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C3) The mods reserve the right to amend the rules during the game if we realize we've forgotten to cover something.

- Venge

Vengeance, on 06 January 2017 - 08:48 PM, said:

You should really look at the thread and think what would Vengeance do in this situation? Think about the balance and what you would do if you were town instead of scum.

Hanas, on 06 January 2017 - 09:06 PM, said:

Well I'm saying this mainly because it looks like the 4 votes to night thing is a MM bug and as such it makes more sense to follow the rules that were declared consciously and deliberately, I understand that PS has been writing 4 to night the whole day but I don't think it had any impact on the game and as such it shouldn't be a problem to fix it

I know the rules forbid all edits but I feel like occasions where people accidentally post on thread instead of PM should be allowed a pass in general

Anyway, if Serc recieves the 4 votes needed will you resolve or wait for LP to deal with the situation, if I may ask?

(I guess this conversation is also against the rules but nobody reads the PS PMs)

Vengeance, on 06 January 2017 - 09:09 PM, said:

Hanas, on 06 January 2017 - 09:06 PM, said:

Well I'm saying this mainly because it looks like the 4 votes to night thing is a MM bug and as such it makes more sense to follow the rules that were declared consciously and deliberately, I understand that PS has been writing 4 to night the whole day but I don't think it had any impact on the game and as such it shouldn't be a problem to fix it

I know the rules forbid all edits but I feel like occasions where people accidentally post on thread instead of PM should be allowed a pass in general

Anyway, if Serc recieves the 4 votes needed will you resolve or wait for LP to deal with the situation, if I may ask?

(I guess this conversation is also against the rules but nobody reads the PS PMs)

As I am actively acting like PS right now it is not against the rules.

The no edits rule was specifically for people accidentally posting pms on thread. A lot of games have been lost that way. I have done it myself a time or two.

I am still making a decision on the course of the game. I will let the thread know when it is done.

Hanas, on 06 January 2017 - 09:15 PM, said:

I don't understand how does the no edits rule helps preventing people from accidentally posting PMs on thread so the games are not lost by such silly mistakes?

(I nearly did it too this game btw)

Vengeance, on 06 January 2017 - 09:30 PM, said:

It doesn't but what it does it fuck you over if you do. In other words it punishes you for making silly mistakes.

Decision has been made.

It was funny when Venge yelled at you in the Killer convo, apparently mistaking you for me!

[Siergiej]

Macros, on 08 January 2017 - 04:40 AM, said:

Just read through.
Man.
Once again I made so many bad calls in this game, but I do feel that once I got over my drinky travels I sort of caught a better hold of it.

Sierg, superb performance mom hands down, one of the best town performances I have seen here in years.

Thank you! I think the four of us that were left to make of the final call - you, ST, Ando, and me - handled it pretty well.

And we still lucked out big time with Kruppe's slip.

The PMs are super fun to read. I love that people pre-emptively want to murder Khell even if he's not playing

[Macros]

For the record I was far more in favour of hanging Serc than going to night.
Post Fanderay findreveal obviously.

[Path-Shaper]

Lover's convo (Gamelon & Bek Okhan):

Gamelon, on 26 December 2016 - 01:58 AM, said:

BO, give me a holler when you are here

Bek Okhan, on 26 December 2016 - 02:34 AM, said:

Was out, now here.

Ment here, so I'm on EST times, and I got next two days off. The downside is, I can't play on my phone (well, yet... I'm actually going phone shopping tomorrow, so hopefully that'll resolve it)

Gamelon, on 26 December 2016 - 03:36 AM, said:

Andorion here.

You know my times.

I am going to be leaving soon, will be online from appx 4PM onwards about 7 hours from now.

But I highly doubt I will be around much tomorrow.

Gamelon, on 26 December 2016 - 03:45 AM, said:

Ok, I don't know the anime, but I think we have 1 lone killer, 1 Finder, 1 Guard/healer and us. And possibly a symp

Bek Okhan, on 26 December 2016 - 04:35 AM, said:

So you'll be around from 5 am onwards. It's the holidays, so I don't get up early.

Anyhow, at this point, no need for us to coordinate much. best we can do is try to survive for a while without drawing attention, then reveal to narrow down the suspect pool.

It's still a day off for most Westerners tomorrow, so I doubt we'll see a whole lot of activity anyhow.

Gamelon, on 26 December 2016 - 12:15 PM, said:

Right, so we have a 12 hour difference?

I will keep an eye on things. But I won't be around at all tomorrow I think. I will try to chime in occasionally

Gamelon, on 28 December 2016 - 03:44 PM, said:

I can't find tatts. Unless he is Fanderay? If Tatts is lying low I think that means he is scum

I think Tulas is Nom and being his illogical risk taking day 1 self.

Gamelon, on 28 December 2016 - 06:24 PM, said:

Could Tulas be a very audacious symp

Bek Okhan, on 29 December 2016 - 01:12 AM, said:

The "what can we do differently" post is vintage Tatts.

Pallid is Mess, I think. And I doubt he's scum

Gamelon, on 29 December 2016 - 01:52 AM, said:

90% of the time when people accuse me of fading into the background its because I went to sleep.

Yeah now I do think Tatts is Fand. and I still think Tulas is Nom

Gamelon, on 29 December 2016 - 03:32 AM, said:

PS?

BO was Ment or Bliss?

Path-Shaper, on 29 December 2016 - 03:34 AM, said:

reread the read

Gamelon, on 29 December 2016 - 03:49 AM, said:

Got it

Gamelon, on 30 December 2016 - 04:44 PM, said:

Tatts sounds like my mother sometimes

Gamelon, on 04 January 2017 - 09:05 AM, said:

Who is Fand and why is he imitating Tatts style of play?

PS Pallid was Tatts, right?

[Path-Shaper]

ST here - made the mistake of deleting my conversation thread before it got posted to SH, which means it can't be quoted. But it's all one long running monologue, so I'll just paste it all in:

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Yay, first game back and I get a juicy healer role!

Unfortunately, my natural instincts are to be loud and draw attention to myself as an inno - exactly not how you should play healer. Will need to curb my instigationist tendencies.

I guess we'll see how it goes

ST

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(You'll find I'm quite chatty to SH - hope it's an enjoyable ride!)

ST

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Looks like pretty much everyone is here (except Serc). Nice to have a full complement.

Key for a healer is to try and get into the killer's head. When I'm scum I like to kill off the chatty people and use the uncertainty around low posters to my advantage, but strategies vary.

My rule of thumb is that the killer is usually in the top third of posters after Day 1, so that's where I'll start looking. It's hard to pull off a Night 1 heal, but if I can start mucking things up from Night 2 onwards I'll be pleased.

Now, do I want to keep a low profile, or do I want to act sympy and avoid drawing the NK that way? The latter us certainly more fun, but might add a bit of risk. Maybe I need to go back and see what recent lynch patterns have been like.

ST

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Just went and had a look back over the previous game to see what the current fashion is (and have a go at guessing the scum). After Day 1 my top two were Okaros and Lock, and as it turned out I was right! Gives me some confidence for this game.

One thing though - I was surprised how much Meta there was. In the olden days that always used ti be strictly verboten - has that changed?

ST

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Initial thoughts:

- Mockra smells RI to me. Doing what I'd be doing if I was RI, that's for sure.
- Gamelon seems suspicious to me. His 'reaction post' was pure summary-but-no-content. I'm always on the lookout for that sort of thing early.
- Didn't like Alkend's either - dropped a vote on it to see if it provokes any reaction.
- Tulas Shorn is absurdly fatalistic. Possibly playing a dangerous game to try to head off a lynch train? Maybe just trying to virtue-signal RI. Either way, all feels like like WIFOM so I'm going to leave it alone for now.
- Serc has gone hard with the meta...not a fan! Keep your alt-guesses to yourself, thank you very much. (I think he's probably wrong about Macros being Pallid, FWIW).
- BO picked one of the players in the 'random voting trifecta' who already had a vote on them. Possibly scum trying to get in on a train early?
- Pallid is vote-hopping, which I like to see on Day 1 - usually scum are a bit more cautious with their voting habits (or at least, they used to be). Probably less likely right now.

That leaves Hanas, Aparal Forge, Ultama and Omtose who I haven't got a read on yet. Current suspicion pyramid (most suspicious at the top):

Alkend, Gamelon
Bek Okhan
Serc, Tulas Shorn
Hanas, Aparal Forge, Ultama, Omtose
Pallid, Mockra

ST

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Can I put in a provisional:

Protect Mockra

Seems the most likely town right now. Plus I have a feeling the scum might try and paint me as suspicious if he gets killed off.

ST

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OK, that last post by Ultama makes me think he could be scum. 'Hey guys, look at this!', no vote, not much in the way of explanation, but plenty of quotes so it looks like he's being active and making a nice long case.

Will let it stew for a bit to see if there's any more conversation on the matter (although there doesn't seem to be much conversation in this game - good job we've got 48 hour days!)

Worried I'm being too talkative and making myself a target, but frankly if townies can't make 10 posts in what has basically been a 60 hour Day 1 then they don't really deserve my protection.

ST

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Argh. I can't stop myself from talking on thread. This is SO not how to play the healer role . Just going to have to hope that for some strange reason the scum find me useful and decide to keep me alive...and if they do that, it's probably because I'm barking up the wrong tree. (Well either that, or they play scum very differently from me, which is always a possibility).

Normally I feel like vomiting opinions out into the thread is a bad idea, even as RI. You let them out in a slow, controlled drip, giving other players plenty of time to digest them and react in ways you can use. You make sure that each opinion is separate and easily digestible, so people bother to properly read what you've written and think about it. After all, you and only you are responsible for the readability of your posts, so you should be doing everything in your power to make sure that people actually read them.

That last post of mine breaks a lot of my own rules for making cases.
- It tries to make two separate arguments in one post (a big no-no, since it pollutes discussion of either idea).
- It presents itself as a bit of a quote wall with small lines of text in between, which makes it easy for people to skim past important points straight to the end of the post.
- It accuses people who have recently been responding to my own speculation. If you do that too often, nobody will respond to your speculation any more, rendering the whole exercise useless.
- It goes into lecture mode at the beginning - people respond badly to that.
- Triple posting is always a bad look.

But I guess I've posted it now so I'll just have to live with it. What I wouldn't do for somebody else to do some heavy lifting!

ST

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OK, maybe Pallid is actually Macros. These last few posts have been very him.

Not loving the TS lynch choice - it's way too predictable. Unpicking why we ended up going that way might be interesting though!

ST

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Right, we definitely shouldn't be lynching Tulas. That self-vote makes it clear he's an inno, so we should keep him in. But I can't do the convincing by myself - I've already expressed my dislike on the lynch choice. Is anyone else going to set this up? We're running out of time for alternative lynch trains.

ST

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I don't like the way AF parachuted in to try and move the lynch back to TS. Feels like a symp trying to prevent his master from getting attention - could be he's covering for Gamelon? Possibly too good to be true - even though he seems the most likely to be scum in the game from what I can see, the odds are still pretty low (just greater than 1/11).

Whoever is playing Tulas Shorn needs to shape up. Unless they're actually scum (which I deem fairly unlikely at this point), they've done an absolutely terrible job so far. The amount of information you get from a CF is no substitute for a reasoned debate with lots of interactions between the players. If you say you're trying to leave lynch train information on thread, you dramatically reduce its effectiveness by making the scum actively think about their vote timings. Go out with your guns blazing and make people react to you, and you'll be a hell of a lot more helpful than whatever this pitiful attempt at self-sacrifice is supposed to be.

ST

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Just re-reading through my SH thoughts (can you tell I'm bored with too much time on my hands? ), and realised that I've managed to push heat on my prime suspect very effectively. I like that Gamelon has slunk off - he clearly feels that more talking will make it worse for himself. Now all I have to do is avoid the two impending icebergs on the horizon:

[a] Scum decide I'm an annoyance and kill me off;
[b] Scum don't kill me off, everyone decides I'm a symp and lynches me for trying to direct the thread too much.

Not much I can do about [a], but [b] does seem like something I'm going to have to plan ahead for. I guess we'll see what happens on Day 2, but I'll probably have less time to run around directing the thread so that'll probably help.

In the meantime, need to have another think about who to protect tonight. I'm assuming I can't heal myself?

ST

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If you want you can heal yourself.

Healer protect thyself is a rule in the circle of friend i play in.

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Hmm, OK. It's possible that I might be overestimating my own importance here. I'll have a think about it.

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Right, I think I'm going to keep my heal on Mockra. I feel like there are good odds he gets targeted tonight, on the basis that they'll probably pick someone middle of the pack who doesn't seem like a symp. He's got about the right amount of posts and I think he sticks out as a probable RI.

As for who the killers are, I notice that Gamelon is squarely at the bottom of the top third of posters - always a good spot for scum to hide .

ST

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Not sure what to think of Ultama's vote for AF. He's removing from someone with 2 votes to try to start a train on someone with no votes with less than an hour left in the day. It's not very helpful.

So could he be scum trying to draw heat away from his partner/master? If so, he'd have to be trying to direct heat away from TS/Pallid/Gamelon. It's probably not TS, since he already had his vote on him. But if it was Pallid, wouldn't he vote for Gamelon? And if it was Gamelon, wouldn't he vote for Pallid? Unless they're in it together? But that seems too good to be true.

ST

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I hate it when lynches are decided by who happens to be on the thread at the time...is it too much to ask for all players to be checking the thread 100% of the time so they can cast their votes? (But seriously though, it feels like there's a lot of power in dropping your vote and then stepping back - makes it much harder for the people there at the end of the day to change the course you've set).

As it stands, I just hope the switches of Hanas and Ultama made it through in time. Not having a Day 1 lynch will really slow down town's game here.

ST

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Interesting NK - I guess that means that the scum are hunting for roles...and I'm not in the place they would normally expect to find them, which is nice .

The CF suggests that Bek Okhan might be part of a lover pair - had a quick look in his early posts for codes but I'm not good enough at finding them to see if there's anything. (If there is one, it's probably either here or here). But it might be worth having a think about who else would fit the pattern of being a lover partner with BO in case it helps me PI anyone.

What's going on with Omtose? It looks as though his modkill timer should have popped by now, right? Shame to lose a player, but if they aren't showing up then they're dragging us down. Him being gone reduces our requirements for a lynch, which isn't a bad thing.

ST

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I'm nervous that I can't spot Macros - it tends to mean that he's smooth playing scum. Let's have a think over what we know so far:

Aparal Forge - Talkative. His one attempt at a case was a bit tenuous. Could be in a scum pairing with/symp for Gamelon.
Hanas - Smooth. Seemed to need a bit of prodding to actually put a vote down last night. He voted for Gamelon over Pallid/TS. Is that inno playing the odds, or scum who knows the best choice and picks it to blend in? I worry that he's in my blind spot because he seems to be playing the same way as me.
Gamelon - Nervous about him. My case was weak though, not sure it's going to stick. Might be worth shelving it until later, getting him involved in some stuff and seeing what else drops out. I don't like the way he answers pressure, seems too earnest.
Mockra - I thought the way he put some pressure on me on Day 1 was quite innocent. Interesting to see Hanas with the case on him though. I'm tempted to go along with it to see what falls out.
Ultama - Shifty. Lots of vote hopping towards the end of the day. Possible symp for Gamelon. Also thought he was being a bit 'go with the flow' earlier.
Tulas Shorn - What was all that fatalistic BS about? Most likely is RI being stupid, but back of my mind is a paired scum setup with him and someone else, where he gets talked off the ledge to make him appear innocent. It's a pretty risky gambit though. It would have to be one of Hanas and Gamelon as the other partner.
Alkend - Low posting but seems to be involved in all the interesting stuff. Caused the shift away from Gamelon by voting for Pallid. When I put a vote on him earlier I got basically no response...but it wasn't on there for that long. BO, Mockra, Gamelon and Ultama would have time to comment on it. Mockra's summary of options post could have been a way of burying it, so possible Mockra symping for Alkend?
Serc - Not done much. Need to do a reread and see if anything jumps out.
Omtose - About to be modkilled for inactivity. Can ignore for now.

So I'd probably arrange my suspicion tree like this:

Gamelon
Ultama, Aparal Forge, Alkend
Mockra, Hanas, Serc
Tulas Shorn

(Omtose doesn't make it onto the tree)

Off for a reread of Serc.

ST

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Protect Alkend

He's in the right demographic to draw an NK from a killer looking for roles.

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I'm really torn. On the one hand, I do like my hypothesis that Gamelon is the killer. He has been shifty, he has given excuses that I tend to associate with scum. On the other hand, I know that my guesses are at best only slightly better than random, an as such I need to bear in mind the Monty Hall Problem.

MHP says that I had a 1/11 (or possibly 2/11, depending on setup, but I think a killer + promotable symp combo is more likely here) chance of identifying Scum on Day 1, and therefore a 10/11 chance of picking on an inno. Now it's day 3 and a bunch of players have been eliminated, the chances of the scum being amongst those other players are still 10/11, but split between 6 players. Ergo, I bump up my chances from 1/11 to 5/33 (10/11 * 1/6) if I switch my guess to one of the other players. That's almost double!

So I should probably switch to someone else, at least for today. I can always go back to Gamelon on Day 4 if necessary.

ST

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That point about time of going to sleep was lame and I shouldn't have made it. If Gamelon really is from somewhere other than US/Europe/Australia, my apologies. I've been away a while and it used to be that the only players we had were from those places.

The dilemma I have here is that I find the case on Gamelon much more convincing than the one on Mockra. I think I'm predisposed to find Mockra town-ish because he started attacking me on Day 1, as counter-intuitive as that sounds. I get the points about him hedging on the hammer, but they don't really convince me just yet. Will have to mull it over some more.

And I need to come to a position on Ultama as well. Can't really get a read on him - he pushed AF hard the first two days and then pivoted to Mockra on Day 3. Maybe I should just try asking him if he feels any remorse about getting AF lynched.


In other news, I think I'm going to put in a provisional to:

Protect Omtose

Consider the axiom: RIs don't get replacements as late as Day 3, roles and scum do. (Not saying this is necessarily true, but it is a common sentiment). If scum believe in this axiom, then there are two possibilities: (1) Omtose is scum [in which case, who has been NKing everyone while he has been playing hooky?] or (2) he's not scum, in which case the killer will be curious and probably try out an NK.

I feel like the chances of (1) are fairly low at this point as I feel it's more likely that we have a killer-symp combo as opposed to a killer pair (in which case the other killer could be doing the NKs). As such, protecting Omtose seems like a reasonable attempt to head off an NK.

ST

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Interesting to see the on-thread reveal! I wasn't really expecting a Finder in the game (as generally a Healer/Finder combo is pretty OP), but I guess I'll have to adjust my provisional:

Protect Ultama

The flip side to this is that I'm assuming that for game balance purposes there must be paired killers plus a symp, so likely to be a bit more of this game to go!

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ARGH! Changed away from Omtose at the last minute . Maybe the killer didn't have time to change their NK choice? It seems weird not to have picked Ultama. That could suggest that Hanas is the scum, since they were the only one that weren't around for the end of the day.

Protect Ultama

On that hypothesis.


Niggling at the back of my mind is a really ballsy manoeuvre for scum...dunno if they'd have played it this way, but it could be a game winner:

Ultama is in a scum pair with Mockra. They agree that Ultama will fake-reveal finder while selling out Mockra, PIing themselves in the process. Nobody is going to lynch Ultama now, which basically gives them a free pass until someone stops to wonder why they haven't been NKed yet. For now I'm going to keep it under wraps as a possibility, but if Ultama isn't the NK target tonight I'll start to wonder.

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Damn, I've really played today terribly. I mean, looking back over what I've posted I would find it hard to trust myself, let alone everyone else. Really wish I'd had a bit more time to do a proper reading of the thread, then I would have done a better job of it than all that garbled nonsense I've been putting out there.

ST

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Gah, I really wish that Ultama hadn't brought up the idea of a healer in the game as a reason for going to Night (or at least, not in the same post as revealing I'm town, anyway). It's not much of a stretch for scum to connect the dots between Ultama doing a find on me and Ultama being sure there is a healer to keep him safe.

Hoping to distance myself from the idea with my on thread post, even though I do think going to night would be good for town. But I need some enthusiastic assent from the other players to make it happen, because being for it would jump out a bit too much.

Alkend being against it surprises me a lot though - especially since he was talking about the existence of a healer earlier, you would have thought he'd be for it. Makes me think he could well be the scum (because if scum think there's a healer, they wouldn't want to go to night).

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A hypothesis has arrived at my brain:

- There is a town vig in play, and they used it on Omtose last night.
- The killer targeted Ultama and failed.
- The CF makes it look like the scum targeted Omtose.

This would fit quite neatly with Gamelon's play here if Gamelon was the vig - he asked on thread "Why didn't Ultama die from the NK?" as if he was sure that Omtose's death wasn't an NK. Also explains why he's so sure there is a healer in the game.

(To be fair though, it would also work well if Gamelon was scum since he would know that the NK failed).

Will have to think about this, and whether I should share it with the thread.

ST

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Protect Ultama

I was toying with putting it on myself, but it's more important to guarantee we get another find result. I figure Ultama can do that and I'll take the NK, then trust the rest of them to figure it out.

ST

[Kruppe of Darujhistan]

ST, your high activity worked in your favor. Knowing we were 3 scum almost guaranteed the presence of a Healer, but you were at first ruled out. After the reveal, we had to make a quick switch off of Ultama. Thinking the Omtose repacement meant something, he was the choice. But then we switched to you and again back to Omtose. I guess my "triple guessing myself" was less harmful to us than my "quadruple guessing myself" proved to be!

After you were announced as Ultama's Night 1 find and your post that studiously avoided any mention of the possibility of a Healer I became convinced that you were just that. Probably too late, even without my inexcusable blunder.

Summary: You are a formidable foe and it was a pleasure doing business with you!

[Andorion]

That was an interesting game. First one I have ever played where there were three killers

[Sir Thursday]

Kruppe of Darujhistan, on 08 January 2017 - 04:03 PM, said:

ST, your high activity worked in your favor. Knowing we were 3 scum almost guaranteed the presence of a Healer, but you were at first ruled out. After the reveal, we had to make a quick switch off of Ultama. Thinking the Omtose repacement meant something, he was the choice. But then we switched to you and again back to Omtose. I guess my "triple guessing myself" was less harmful to us than my "quadruple guessing myself" proved to be!

After you were announced as Ultama's Night 1 find and your post that studiously avoided any mention of the possibility of a Healer I became convinced that you were just that. Probably too late, even without my inexcusable blunder.

Summary: You are a formidable foe and it was a pleasure doing business with you!

It's interesting that it was that that swung your suspicion on me. I actually deliberately left out that half of the speculation because I thought it would be more believable for an RI not to have considered the possibility of a healer. Guess I was way off on that.

I had a really good time playing this game. Fun setup, good play by scum and town alike. Unfortunately I don't have the time to play very much any more or I'd be back for more. As it is I have to pick my spots, but I'll keep an eye out for future opportunities when I'm less busy .

ST