[ContrarianMalazanReader]

Just finished watching the trailer, and I like it a lot more than the first one. Now I'm warming up to the movie.

Still not a fan of the washed out colour palette, and I still think the movie looks like a perfume commercial, not that there's anything wrong with that.

[QuickTidal]

ContrarianMalazanReader, on 22 July 2021 - 03:48 PM, said:

Still not a fan of the washed out colour palette, and I still think the movie looks like a perfume commercial, not that there's anything wrong with that.

You and I have very different definitions of "washed out" when it comes to colours.

[ContrarianMalazanReader]

QuickTidal, on 22 July 2021 - 03:58 PM, said:

ContrarianMalazanReader, on 22 July 2021 - 03:48 PM, said:

Still not a fan of the washed out colour palette, and I still think the movie looks like a perfume commercial, not that there's anything wrong with that.

You and I have very different definitions of "washed out" when it comes to colours.

I think the colour saturation needs to be cranked up at least 25%.

[Malankazooie]

[Tsundoku]

Johnny Depp IS Timothee Chalamet IS Paul Atreides IS ... Moist ... and as we all know

[polishgenius]

QuickTidal, on 22 July 2021 - 03:19 PM, said:

Briar King, on 22 July 2021 - 02:25 PM, said:

Christ it looks great.

Also, the worm in the trailer? A baby apparently.

There was a sneak peek of the first ten minutes of the film and and then a BTS selection of footage in LA yesterday and the people there said that the worm that destroys the Spice Harvester in the film absolutely DWARFS the one you see in then trailer.

Shai-Hulud is gonna be MONSTROUS.

I mean quite right. A spice harvester itself is meant to be like 100+ meters long. It'd have been disappointing if the one in the trailer was the standard size for them in the film.

[ContrarianMalazanReader]

Once the movie is released on home media I will work on my own private fan edit which will do a few adjustments to colour saturation.

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ContrarianMalazanReader, on 23 July 2021 - 12:06 AM, said:

Once the movie is released on home media I will work on my own private fan edit which will do a few adjustments to colour saturation.

Please don’t try to gainsay an award winning Cinematographer.

[ContrarianMalazanReader]

QuickTidal, on 23 July 2021 - 01:09 AM, said:

ContrarianMalazanReader, on 23 July 2021 - 12:06 AM, said:

Once the movie is released on home media I will work on my own private fan edit which will do a few adjustments to colour saturation.

Please don’t try to gainsay an award winning Cinematographer.

What's wrong with wanting to make adjustments to your liking?

There's tons of fan edits of movies out there. Topher Grace has been known to make fan edits of movies for his own personal enjoyment.

[Whisperzzzzzzz]

ContrarianMalazanReader, on 23 July 2021 - 02:19 AM, said:

QuickTidal, on 23 July 2021 - 01:09 AM, said:

ContrarianMalazanReader, on 23 July 2021 - 12:06 AM, said:

Once the movie is released on home media I will work on my own private fan edit which will do a few adjustments to colour saturation.

Please don’t try to gainsay an award winning Cinematographer.

What's wrong with wanting to make adjustments to your liking?

There's tons of fan edits of movies out there. Topher Grace has been known to make fan edits of movies for his own personal enjoyment.

Nothing is wrong with it! Go for it — variety is the Spice of life. Many fanedits end up being far better than the originals (looking at you, Hobbit and Star Wars prequels)

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[Werthead]

Soundtrack sample #1:



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[Malankazooie]

Is this going to be released to those Dolby Atmos, bleeding edge technology theaters? I have a few of those in my state, but it will be a bit of a drive. Definitely worth it though and something I will plan on.

[ContrarianMalazanReader]

A recent interview reveals gender-swapping Doctor Kynes was screenwriter Jon Spaiths's idea, his reasoning being he wanted to update the story for modern audiences. Modernising a story set tens of thousands of years into the future, right.

Obviously Spaith hasn't been paying attention to the Dune books, as they are full of strong female representation, with characters such as Harah, Chani, Lady Jessica, and female organizations such as the Bene Gesserit, and later on the Fish Speakers and the Honoured Matres. Additionally patriarchal societies such as the Tleilaxu are unequivocally portrayed in a negative light.

I am also troubled by Rebecca Ferguson's recent statements accusing Dune of being a sexist book.

[QuickTidal]

ContrarianMalazanReader, on 02 September 2021 - 05:41 PM, said:

A recent interview reveals gender-swapping Doctor Kynes was screenwriter Jon Spaiths's idea, his reasoning being he wanted to update the story for modern audiences. Modernising a story set tens of thousands of years into the future, right.

Obviously Spaith hasn't been paying attention to the Dune books, as they are full of strong female representation, with characters such as Harah, Chani, Lady Jessica, and female organizations such as the Bene Gesserit, and later on the Fish Speakers and the Honoured Matres. Additionally patriarchal societies such as the Tleilaxu are unequivocally portrayed in a negative light.

I am also troubled by Rebecca Ferguson's recent statements accusing Dune of being a sexist book.

Is there a particular reason you need Kynes to be a dude?

Also, there's no quota on how many men and how many women should be in every story/movie. Let it go.

And to be frank, DUNE is a little sexist. Women are written schemers who plot the path of the entirety of civilization through breeding...I'm not sure how you look at that as NOT sexist on the face of it. Jessica, Mother Gaius, and Irulan ALL fall victim to this trope in DUNE and DUNE MESSIAH...

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QuickTidal, on 02 September 2021 - 05:57 PM, said:

Is there a particular reason you need Kynes to be a dude?

I don't need Kynes to be a dude. It's just that I feel the gender swap was done for it's own sake, which I find annoying.

Another thing that has been bothering me lately is that it seems like you're not allowed to express any doubts about this adaptation. This is going to be the movie to end all movies, and it's going to be AWESOME, period.

Case in point, Quinn. He's a huge Dune fan, but gets all defensive on social media whenever anyone expresses the slightest bit of criticism or at the very least, concerns about the movie.

I find such fervour off-putting.

[QuickTidal]

ok

[polishgenius]

ContrarianMalazanReader, on 02 September 2021 - 05:41 PM, said:

Modernising a story set tens of thousands of years into the future, right.

Yeah, coz a story being set in the future means it cannot possibly contain cultural biases from the time it was written.


I don't necessarily agree with QT that Dune, at least the first book, were sexist in that way- basically everyone in it was a schemer of one sort or another so I don't think the Bene Gesserit necessarily stand out in that respect- but it is fairly one-sided in terms of representation despite the importance of Jessica and Chani, and switching Kynes hurts nothing about the plot, so I don't see why it'd bother anyone.

[Werthead]

polishgenius, on 02 September 2021 - 08:46 PM, said:

I don't necessarily agree with QT that Dune, at least the first book, were sexist in that way- basically everyone in it was a schemer of one sort or another so I don't think the Bene Gesserit necessarily stand out in that respect- but it is fairly one-sided in terms of representation despite the importance of Jessica and Chani, and switching Kynes hurts nothing about the plot, so I don't see why it'd bother anyone.

Same thing with FOUNDATION, which hits screens in three weeks time (as a TV show on Apple) and those books are faaaar worse than DUNE with their gender representation (the early stories are twenty years older than DUNE, but even so it's startling how few female characters even appear), so they went in and changed that pretty sharpish when they started work on the TV show and that seems to have been much more widely accepted.

[ContrarianMalazanReader]

See, I agree with the gender swap in the case of Foundation's streaming series adaptation, considering the source material is pretty much a sausage-fest.

[amphibian]

Having women characters isn't enough for me in regards to Dune. Changing Kynes to a woman and in particular, a black woman, changes up the tone in a way I like.

It is structurally integral to the story of Dune that the Fremen be Arab-like and that the Imperials be white. Herbert was intentional about exploring exploitation of culture, resources, "good masters and bad masters", slavery, loss of volition and choice, predestination, Messianic religion, capitalism, side effects of technology, and more. He did it quite well in some respects, alright in others, and terribly in some.

One of the areas he did terribly in is the treatment of women and in particular, women of color. What happens to Alia, Ghanima, and Chani is not well handled, even if looked at in a way of seeing that includes "let's examine the fucked up ways women in royal situations and society at large have been treated throughout history". Add in that Jessica is literally from a society of scheming witches that manages to make it a genetic certainty that further people from that group will be almost all scheming witches who sex-persuade everyone. It's in general messed up and can be bent a bit from original books and intent towards something better and more inclusive.

Black women in particular are not included in the original series. I think

Kynes connects the grand story of Arrakis specifically to the Fremen and to the Imperial actors. Duncan Idaho connects much of Paul and Leto's stories to each other and to us. If those roles are given to charismatic people who symbolically represent others who were excluded from the story before, that's a big win.

I don't declare now that this Villeneuve version is going to be amazing or the definitive version. But it already does a few things better than the original and subsequent adaptations. That's good to notice and good to keep building upon.