[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 1. 53 minutes remaining

11 Players still alive: Aranatha, Bendal Home, Eloth, Gait, Kadagar Fant, Kessobahn, Liosan, Mockra, Omtose, Serc, Telas

6 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.

6 Votes for Omtose ( Bendal Home, Serc, Kadagar Fant, Kessobahn, Mockra, Aranatha )
1 Vote for Gait ( Liosan )
1 Vote for Kadagar Fant ( Gait )
1 Vote for Aranatha ( Telas )

Players not voted: Eloth, Omtose


Omtose has been lynched. She was Lady Bliss and a Roleless Innocent.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Night 1. less than a minute since time out

10 Players still alive: Aranatha, Serc, Kadagar Fant, Telas, Mockra, Bendal Home, Gait, Liosan, Eloth, Kessobahn

[Path-Shaper]

Kadagar Fant has been killed. He was Messremb and a Roleless Innocent.

It is Day 2. 35 hours and 59 minutes remaining

9 Players still alive: Aranatha, Bendal Home, Eloth, Gait, Kessobahn, Liosan, Mockra, Serc, Telas

5 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.


Players not voted: Aranatha, Bendal Home, Eloth, Gait, Kessobahn, Liosan, Mockra, Serc, Telas

[Serc]

Very weird. Guess LB hit some tech issues?

Speaking of which hey Lio, 'sup. Good to have you in on the game.


Well reading up I'm interested in several people.


Aranatha has had plenty of pressure day 1 but in general I'm not sure on what grounds. Sorting through a few posts there seems to be alot of different agendas there?

In one situation we had Kesso curious about Aranathas reaction to Omtose, something like "hey why is Aranatha defending Omtose?" Then Telas arguing Aranatha is scummy because he made a snappy reply when holding back a vote. Both Kesso and Telas riled Aranatha up, baiting.

I'm not seeing the substance to this. if anything I just see the two working together trying to see what sticks.

Then there's that vote on Gait. I got the case built up on Kadagar. I'd say we had lazier votes, mine wasn't exactly stellar but I see what Gait was driving at.
Liosan made some strange stretches on Gait. I was pretty sure Mockra made more sense but then Mockra explained it so...yeah.

Kesso, I'm surprised to see, was on the Omtose lynch train, Seemed negative when I was on, focused on the whole Aranatha bit. not really clear what changed his mind?

Well those are my thoughts, off to work. Might pop back in around lunch time.

Cheers.

[Liosan]

Ye, Mockra got it right.

Mockra and Aranatha seem to be all over the place. Not a bad thing in itself, but warrants a deeper look, well, because there is something to look at. Eloth is probably verging a modkill, not good. Will pop in in a couple of hours to see how are things, but probably will be able to offer anything more substantial in the evening.

[Bendal Home]

Had a busy day yesterday, after my last post I did not log in until now. Not surprised we lynched but I am surprised there was nothing from Omtose in return. Going to do a little read up of day one and see if anything jumps out. Most probably not at this stage.

[Kessobahn]

 Serc, on 19 October 2016 - 04:50 AM, said:

Very weird. Guess LB hit some tech issues?

Speaking of which hey Lio, 'sup. Good to have you in on the game.


Well reading up I'm interested in several people.


Aranatha has had plenty of pressure day 1 but in general I'm not sure on what grounds. Sorting through a few posts there seems to be alot of different agendas there?

In one situation we had Kesso curious about Aranathas reaction to Omtose, something like "hey why is Aranatha defending Omtose?" Then Telas arguing Aranatha is scummy because he made a snappy reply when holding back a vote. Both Kesso and Telas riled Aranatha up, baiting.

I'm not seeing the substance to this. if anything I just see the two working together trying to see what sticks.

Then there's that vote on Gait. I got the case built up on Kadagar. I'd say we had lazier votes, mine wasn't exactly stellar but I see what Gait was driving at.
Liosan made some strange stretches on Gait. I was pretty sure Mockra made more sense but then Mockra explained it so...yeah.

Kesso, I'm surprised to see, was on the Omtose lynch train, Seemed negative when I was on, focused on the whole Aranatha bit. not really clear what changed his mind?

Well those are my thoughts, off to work. Might pop back in around lunch time.

Cheers.

Nothing changed my mind, as my mind wasn't decided on anything to begin with. Yes, I was prodding Aranatha, and I think they responded to that pretty well actually. I voted for Omtose partly to get a lynch, and partly because if I was prodding Aranatha with barbed accusations of being a symp defending their master, then I might as well vote for the person I'm linking them to.

[Liosan]

Quick glance during a tea break at a work. Aranatha changing their attitude almost post after post jumps at me as odd.

 Aranatha, on 18 October 2016 - 09:11 PM, said:

Am I dirt or garbage?

Day one voting is a crapshoot however you look at it. That's why I like to abstain and let others get egg on their faces.

But it's getting late in the day and I may have to cast a self-preservation vote.

 Aranatha, on 18 October 2016 - 10:09 PM, said:

Omtose is getting railroaded. He/she may be IMPORTANT.

Not gonna join the monkeypile. I'll take the fall if I have to.

 Aranatha, on 19 October 2016 - 12:20 AM, said:

Screw it. Let the chips fall where they may.

Vote Omtose

First Aranatha wants to vote to self-preserve, then is apparently ready to go down so that the bullshit case against Omtose doesn't go through, and then jumps on the Omtose train anyway. Changing your mind much?

[Bendal Home]

 Liosan, on 18 October 2016 - 08:26 PM, said:

Fucking technology, piece of shit, cocksucking telecoms. Internet barely working, but at least working, which is a welcome change. Checking in and reading up.

Just a quickie for you Liosan, is this the reason you took so long to sign in to the game?

[Bendal Home]

Okay there is something in this tangle and I want the better town heads to think about it. It revolves around Mockra, Kessobahn, Gait and Liosan. I'll try and take you through my thinking as I go and you can rubbish it and give me peace of mind. It gets jumbled up so I'll start and hopefully stay on track.

First I glanced at the post count, to look at my three groups. Last game the independent SK and FM were in the middle of the pack day one, but in a game like this I'd assume high and low. Different styles.

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That leaves the top guys Mockra, Aranatha, Kessobahn and myself. The middle guys Serc, Kadagar, and Gait with Liosan, Telas and Omtose down the bottom. I am discounting Eloth as they're a no show.

So I looked at Telas first. he was first to log in which showed he was keen. He then follows with a quick one liner, but what puts him in a favourable light from my point of view, is he votes first and against what was on the table, and shows some dissent in the Omtose vote. So all in all, he has a personality and is not a sheep which would be bad for town.

After Telas I looked at Liosan.

 Liosan, on 18 October 2016 - 09:04 PM, said:

 Mockra, on 17 October 2016 - 03:17 PM, said:

 Gait, on 17 October 2016 - 03:11 PM, said:

Me not really either. And I understand why have canals when you can have roads just a few miles farther in the first place.

According to Age of Empires II, Venice was founded by refugees from a Roman city (that started with "A") that was sacked by Attila, who were desperate to find a secure and defensible place to live.

...And now you know...

Am I the only one whose spidey sense is tingling when they read something like AND NOW YOU KNOW at the end of the post?

His second post, first of worth. He is accusing Mockra of signalling Gait. There are a few posts by Mockra that made me think of coding but I never thought of him as signalling Gait until Lio points it out.

 Aranatha, on 18 October 2016 - 09:11 PM, said:

Am I dirt or garbage?

Day one voting is a crapshoot however you look at it. That's why I like to abstain and let others get egg on their faces.

But it's getting late in the day and I may have to cast a self-preservation vote.

The next post by Aranatha, which I'd like him to address, is why the need for self preservation?

Back to my ponderings though, case you may call it :/

Gait votes Kadagar for "pretending effort", but this is shortly after Lio's little dig up above.

Then Mockra's reply which seemed a little barbed/defensive somehow...

 Mockra, on 18 October 2016 - 10:28 PM, said:

 Liosan, on 18 October 2016 - 09:04 PM, said:

 Mockra, on 17 October 2016 - 03:17 PM, said:

 Gait, on 17 October 2016 - 03:11 PM, said:

Me not really either. And I understand why have canals when you can have roads just a few miles farther in the first place.

According to Age of Empires II, Venice was founded by refugees from a Roman city (that started with "A") that was sacked by Attila, who were desperate to find a secure and defensible place to live.

...And now you know...

Am I the only one whose spidey sense is tingling when they read something like AND NOW YOU KNOW at the end of the post?

If you want to accuse me of signalling or something how about you just do that, rather doing the smoke and mirrors and "this is SOMEHOW SUSPICIOUS!!!1" bit?

remove vote

Since you bothered to show up.

To which Liosan ends up voting Gait for.

Now Kessobahn says

 Kessobahn, on 18 October 2016 - 11:53 PM, said:

Three hours left and I don't see a lynch happening. I actually quite like Gait's pick up on Kadagar, though probably not quite enough to vote for it. I'm tempted to vote for the everpresent Omtose for giggles, but that wouldn't be mature. Aranatha I see as a symp at worst, in which case I should vote for Omtose over them, but that's also currently based on very little other than me poking them. Liosan's vote on Gait I don't really get - wasn't their beef with Mockra?

which is sort of like a summary yet he then votes for Omtose ("he has seen worse reasons") to which Mockra then replies

 Mockra, on 19 October 2016 - 12:15 AM, said:

 Kessobahn, on 18 October 2016 - 11:53 PM, said:

Three hours left and I don't see a lynch happening. I actually quite like Gait's pick up on Kadagar, though probably not quite enough to vote for it. I'm tempted to vote for the everpresent Omtose for giggles, but that wouldn't be mature. Aranatha I see as a symp at worst, in which case I should vote for Omtose over them, but that's also currently based on very little other than me poking them. Liosan's vote on Gait I don't really get - wasn't their beef with Mockra?

I called him out on what I perceived as his veiled accusation of my signalling Gait. He jumped on that to vote Gait for me signalling him.

and votes Omtose too.

maybe I saw too much in the four people I said, but I thought I saw a potential partnership in Liosan/Kessobahn but on that second read through it looks like Lio may have been on to something with that post of Mockra's because of his the reaction by Mockra, and the vote of Kessobahn.

Now turn that table on his head, if Liosan sees Mockra's post like I did, in terms of possible coding then he could be a killer fishing to see what happens in that area.


So people I like for town are Serc and Telas.

People I saw as town pre read up were Mockra, Gait and Aranatha but after read up I think we need to see Gait's CF.

If he is a killer then Liosan is CI, Mockra is the symp and we'd be looking at Kessobahn as possible partner. That is a lot of information to be had.

Vote Gait


(Before I started this I was going to vote Liosan, but I like him more after reading up his posts).

[Aranatha]

No time this am. I'm already gonna be late for work. See you later.

[Mockra]

@ work, having gotten decent amount of sleep, and I can feel the blessed caffeine seeping through my system, getting shit in gear. Have to be productive fo work but should have some time to play.

having re-read the whole of 3 pages we have, really not liking Lio atm. He's posted 3 quotes by Aranatha,presenting them as "consecutive", omitting at least as many in his back and forth with Kesso. If that's not strawmanning, I don't know what is.

Couple that with his "signal-fishing" yesterday against me (pet peeve: I hate the "well, X feels scummy, but I don't know why" posts. In my experience, people tend to make those accusations for a few days, and then start screaming bloody murder that X is scum because they're too "smooth under all that pressure".), and he's looking quite shady in my books.

[Bendal Home]

Piss poor posting today so far.

[Mockra]

 Bendal Home, on 19 October 2016 - 04:02 PM, said:

Piss poor posting today so far.

I know. I refresh every hour or so, and each time I'm dissapointed

[Kessobahn]

Yes, I too am feeling let down. Everyone else should post more and better!

@ Bendal: Regarding your case...it's about possible signalling, which I never have the hots for, simply because I'd never do it myself.

[Telas]

Just home, was away all day in foreign lands, not going to rack up a data roaming bill for your guys, sorry.

Today is even slower than yesterday, and that's saying something. It looks like we're going to lose Eloth to a mod kill. Arantha's vote doesnt sit well with me giving the flippity floppy nature of their build up to it, but Hammering day one would be a ballsy scum.

regarding Gait, I actually was feeling them more of a symp, but needs a closer look regardless.

Sitting down to dinner here but will get these 3 whopping pages read again after

[Path-Shaper]

Eloth has been modkilled by their own request. They were JPK and a Roleless Innocent.


It is Day 2. 19 hours and 40 minutes remaining

8 Players still alive: Aranatha, Bendal Home, Gait, Kessobahn, Liosan, Mockra, Serc, Telas

5 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Gait ( Bendal Home )

Players not voted: Aranatha, Gait, Kessobahn, Liosan, Mockra, Serc, Telas

[Aranatha]

In a nutshell:

After 4 frivolous posts, I quoted Bendal's first non-trival post, which was a vote for Omtose. It wasn't a post asking "here are the people who can't be arsed to post much or at all, won't you join me in a discussion about who would be best to arbitrarily lynch on day one?" No, it was a simple "Vote Omtose," based on a one word post. Fine. I thought it would be worth commenting on, being a cut-to-the-chase, more-or-less baseless and lazy vote.

I then spent the rest of the day fielding posts assuming that I had some ulterior motive in even questioning a day one vote for anyone other than myself.

Did my Omtose vote at the end of the day contradict ebverything I said beforehand? Yes. Yes, it did. Here's why. I decided that a vote for Omtose from me was better than the obvious (to me) alternative - a no-lynch day with Omtose still around on day two, likely leading to just more of the same for ME. I'm NOT a glutton for punishment.

[Aranatha]

Not that I expect to be left blessedly alone, but at least today no one will be riding the Omtose horse into the ground.

[Gait]

Bendal

the weak point of it(beside being mostly signalling case, obviously) for me is that I like Mockra's response to Lio. He had very similar reactions to my nudges when I was scum(again wondering if that indicates something) and I'm sure these were not the only two occasions of that.

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If Gait is a killer then Liosan is CI, Mockra is the symp and we'd be looking at Kessobahn as possible partner. That is a lot of information to be had.

Exactly, do you really believe the whole scum team would let themselves be outed just like this only on D2? That'd be one of the easiest games for town in this forum's history.

For similar reasons I don't think Aranatha is likely to be scum, I mean with the mind changing and conflicts. I don't think we should be looking for scum between people that thread's circling around, they're hardly ever there in such early stages.