[Gait]

Mockra, on 19 October 2016 - 08:19 PM, said:

Gait, on 19 October 2016 - 07:19 PM, said:

There's not much to Liosan for me. Mockra is there anything else aside from the signalling prod you don't like about them?

I already mentioned, his cherry-picking of Aranatha's quotes without context stinks of strawmanning.

Right sorry

Mockra, on 19 October 2016 - 01:52 PM, said:

having re-read the whole of 3 pages we have, really not liking Lio atm. He's posted 3 quotes by Aranatha,presenting them as "consecutive", omitting at least as many in his back and forth with Kesso. If that's not strawmanning, I don't know what is.

Couple that with his "signal-fishing" yesterday against me (pet peeve: I hate the "well, X feels scummy, but I don't know why" posts. In my experience, people tend to make those accusations for a few days, and then start screaming bloody murder that X is scum because they're too "smooth under all that pressure".), and he's looking quite shady in my books.

Liosan, on 19 October 2016 - 08:55 AM, said:

Quick glance during a tea break at a work. Aranatha changing their attitude almost post after post jumps at me as odd.

Aranatha, on 18 October 2016 - 09:11 PM, said:

Am I dirt or garbage?

Day one voting is a crapshoot however you look at it. That's why I like to abstain and let others get egg on their faces.

But it's getting late in the day and I may have to cast a self-preservation vote.

Aranatha, on 18 October 2016 - 10:09 PM, said:

Omtose is getting railroaded. He/she may be IMPORTANT.

Not gonna join the monkeypile. I'll take the fall if I have to.

Aranatha, on 19 October 2016 - 12:20 AM, said:

Screw it. Let the chips fall where they may.

Vote Omtose

First Aranatha wants to vote to self-preserve, then is apparently ready to go down so that the bullshit case against Omtose doesn't go through, and then jumps on the Omtose train anyway. Changing your mind much?

The omitted posts by Aranutta:

Aranatha, on 18 October 2016 - 11:34 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on 18 October 2016 - 11:21 PM, said:

Aranatha, on 18 October 2016 - 11:13 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on 18 October 2016 - 10:56 PM, said:

Accidentally posted that before I had finished. I was going to say, of course, Omtose might be important to you specifically in ways that would make you willing to go down before them. Nudge nudge.

If what you're implying were so, then all I'd be buying Omtose was one more day. If what you are implying were so. There are two sides to that coin. And an edge too, come to think of it.

Well no, because you'd presumably CF as RI and we'd be none the wiser, so not necessarily just the one day.

If what you're implying were, so. yeah, I would CF as RI. But I doubt that will deter tomorrow's Omtose witch hunt, because, you know, "present."

Dunno, I can see why would Lio omit them, they're completely irrelevant to their attitude about lynch target

[Mockra]

Thinking on it, I actually like Bendal's kesso-Lio pairing for killers. Because Kesso DID actually do the about face switch that Lio accused Aranatha of (when it came to voting Omtose)

Kessobahn, on 18 October 2016 - 11:53 PM, said:

Three hours left and I don't see a lynch happening. I actually quite like Gait's pick up on Kadagar, though probably not quite enough to vote for it. I'm tempted to vote for the everpresent Omtose for giggles, but that wouldn't be mature. Aranatha I see as a symp at worst, in which case I should vote for Omtose over them, but that's also currently based on very little other than me poking them. Liosan's vote on Gait I don't really get - wasn't their beef with Mockra?

And their very next post:

Kessobahn, on 19 October 2016 - 12:15 AM, said:

Meh. I've seen worse reasons.

Vote Omtose

[Telas]

Aranatha, on 19 October 2016 - 07:10 PM, said:

Sorry, i mis-read your prior post.. Nevermind. Carry on!

aha! my favourite!
vote Arantha

[Aranatha]

Mockra, on 19 October 2016 - 08:28 PM, said:

Aranatha, on 19 October 2016 - 08:21 PM, said:

Gait, on 19 October 2016 - 08:12 PM, said:

Aranatha, on 19 October 2016 - 08:05 PM, said:

Well, you've run rings around me logically, there...

I'll wait on Mokra's predictably vehement reply.

What I'm getting at is the only role to feel to need to make signals is symp signalling to his masters. Hence if you believe it might be a signal you will logically vote the one the presumed signal was aimed at because he is likely one of the presumed symp's masters. So I'm asking why are you voting presumed symp over a presumed master?

Because I'm not assuming that the signal (if it's a signal) is necessarily directed at the player (you) to whom Mockra replied to.

Now you're just WIFOMing for the sake of WIFOMing. ONLy merit to making a symp case is if you ca point at the master (and vote the master). There's no way proving anyone's a symp, b/c they'll CF RI anyways.

It's not like a weak case is unheard of around here, is it? I have an excuse for my stupidity which I'll gladly share at the end of the game.

Remove Vote

[Bendal Home]

Whats the time like because I doubt I can read the thread, comment and pursue any thoughts this evening.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 17 hours and 8 minutes remaining

8 Players still alive: Aranatha, Bendal Home, Gait, Kessobahn, Liosan, Mockra, Serc, Telas

5 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Aranatha ( Telas )
1 Vote for Gait ( Bendal Home )

Players not voted: Aranatha, Gait, Kessobahn, Liosan, Mockra, Serc

[Mockra]

Timeout will be soon after I get to work tomorrow, so I'll have to make up my mind in the next 3 hours or so (then i'm gone from work to footy and possibly a few drinks for a buddy's birthday afterwards)

[Aranatha]

Telas, on 19 October 2016 - 08:37 PM, said:

Aranatha, on 19 October 2016 - 07:10 PM, said:

Sorry, i mis-read your prior post.. Nevermind. Carry on!

aha! my favourite!
vote Arantha

I'm YOUR biggest fan, too!

Vote Telas

[Kessobahn]

Mockra, on 19 October 2016 - 08:36 PM, said:

Thinking on it, I actually like Bendal's kesso-Lio pairing for killers. Because Kesso DID actually do the about face switch that Lio accused Aranatha of (when it came to voting Omtose)

Kessobahn, on 18 October 2016 - 11:53 PM, said:

Three hours left and I don't see a lynch happening. I actually quite like Gait's pick up on Kadagar, though probably not quite enough to vote for it. I'm tempted to vote for the everpresent Omtose for giggles, but that wouldn't be mature. Aranatha I see as a symp at worst, in which case I should vote for Omtose over them, but that's also currently based on very little other than me poking them. Liosan's vote on Gait I don't really get - wasn't their beef with Mockra?

And their very next post:

Kessobahn, on 19 October 2016 - 12:15 AM, said:

Meh. I've seen worse reasons.

Vote Omtose

Yeah, I believe I've already sufficiently explained why this was not an "about-face", not sure why you choose to ignore that. And here I was about to jump in and point out that first, you said "signalling or something", thus not solely suggesting signalling as Aranatha argues, and that it was actually Bendal Home who seems to have cemented the "signalling" angle.

But I guess I won't do that now

[Aranatha]

Damn! I wish Omtose were here!

[Liosan]

Okay, I'm here. Someone asked why did I check in so late: tech issues. My home internet has been really flaky. Still not great today but usable.

Now, back to the point. Hey Mockra, I was actually wondering if either you, Gait, or Aranatha will take my post about Aranatha's wobbliness and try to twist it around. And look, here you did it, thanks!

Mockra, on 19 October 2016 - 01:52 PM, said:

@ work, having gotten decent amount of sleep, and I can feel the blessed caffeine seeping through my system, getting shit in gear. Have to be productive fo work but should have some time to play.

having re-read the whole of 3 pages we have, really not liking Lio atm. He's posted 3 quotes by Aranatha,presenting them as "consecutive", omitting at least as many in his back and forth with Kesso. If that's not strawmanning, I don't know what is.

Couple that with his "signal-fishing" yesterday against me (pet peeve: I hate the "well, X feels scummy, but I don't know why" posts. In my experience, people tend to make those accusations for a few days, and then start screaming bloody murder that X is scum because they're too "smooth under all that pressure".), and he's looking quite shady in my books.

I never said the posts I were referring to were consecutive. I specifically wrote _ALMOST post after post_. It's easy enough to try to paint this as lying/half-truth/strawmanning, which you are doing right now. Funny how defensive you get over my slightest mention of suspicion about Gait or Aranatha. The only benefit of the doubt I give you is that I don't think it could be that obvious.

Apart from Mockra's trying to divert attention from Gait or Aranatha, one thing that caugh my eye on a reread was Serc's post that opened D2:

Serc, on 19 October 2016 - 04:50 AM, said:

Very weird. Guess LB hit some tech issues?

Speaking of which hey Lio, 'sup. Good to have you in on the game.


Well reading up I'm interested in several people.


Aranatha has had plenty of pressure day 1 but in general I'm not sure on what grounds. Sorting through a few posts there seems to be alot of different agendas there?

In one situation we had Kesso curious about Aranathas reaction to Omtose, something like "hey why is Aranatha defending Omtose?" Then Telas arguing Aranatha is scummy because he made a snappy reply when holding back a vote. Both Kesso and Telas riled Aranatha up, baiting.

I'm not seeing the substance to this. if anything I just see the two working together trying to see what sticks.

Then there's that vote on Gait. I got the case built up on Kadagar. I'd say we had lazier votes, mine wasn't exactly stellar but I see what Gait was driving at.
Liosan made some strange stretches on Gait. I was pretty sure Mockra made more sense but then Mockra explained it so...yeah.

Kesso, I'm surprised to see, was on the Omtose lynch train, Seemed negative when I was on, focused on the whole Aranatha bit. not really clear what changed his mind?

Well those are my thoughts, off to work. Might pop back in around lunch time.

Cheers.

If I were to point my finger to one thing here that stands out as scummy, I couldn't. But this is the type of post I love writing when I'm scum: lots of stuff, as many nicknames as possible squeezed in, vague suspicion and one-sentece summaries of people's play, but without any specific direction or anything to sink your teeth in. Smokescreen all the way. That said, I'm terrible at playing scum (and not much better town) so my playstyle preference might not be a great hint to follow

I'm online for a bit more today. Will be at work at timeout, but should be able to drop by at morning or lunch. Sadly new job leaves me much less space for Mafia in the office.

For now sticking to my guns, reinforced by Mockra's behavior.

vote Gait

[Mockra]

Okay, it's almost time for me to go. I gotta vote before I go.

Gait got 2 votes
Aranatha is voting Telas, b/c Telas is voting Aranatha

Telas appears to be voting based on gut again. Keeping in mind how that worked out last game, I'd rather not follow his gut.

Aranatha is all over the place, and his vote is OMGUS everyone I talking about him, so i'm pencillin him as "symp at worst" column, but IGMEOY

Now, Gait vote is based on a case. One that implicates me, as it happens. I obviously don't agree with suggestion that I'm symp, but Bendal ties too many people together in that post for us to simply ignore.

So I'll

vote Gait

And if he CFs inno, i'll be taking a long hard look at Liosan (again)

[Kessobahn]

Liosan, on 19 October 2016 - 09:40 PM, said:

Okay, I'm here. Someone asked why did I check in so late: tech issues. My home internet has been really flaky. Still not great today but usable.

Now, back to the point. Hey Mockra, I was actually wondering if either you, Gait, or Aranatha will take my post about Aranatha's wobbliness and try to twist it around. And look, here you did it, thanks!

Mockra, on 19 October 2016 - 01:52 PM, said:

@ work, having gotten decent amount of sleep, and I can feel the blessed caffeine seeping through my system, getting shit in gear. Have to be productive fo work but should have some time to play.

having re-read the whole of 3 pages we have, really not liking Lio atm. He's posted 3 quotes by Aranatha,presenting them as "consecutive", omitting at least as many in his back and forth with Kesso. If that's not strawmanning, I don't know what is.

Couple that with his "signal-fishing" yesterday against me (pet peeve: I hate the "well, X feels scummy, but I don't know why" posts. In my experience, people tend to make those accusations for a few days, and then start screaming bloody murder that X is scum because they're too "smooth under all that pressure".), and he's looking quite shady in my books.

I never said the posts I were referring to were consecutive. I specifically wrote _ALMOST post after post_. It's easy enough to try to paint this as lying/half-truth/strawmanning, which you are doing right now. Funny how defensive you get over my slightest mention of suspicion about Gait or Aranatha. The only benefit of the doubt I give you is that I don't think it could be that obvious.

Apart from Mockra's trying to divert attention from Gait or Aranatha, one thing that caugh my eye on a reread was Serc's post that opened D2:

Serc, on 19 October 2016 - 04:50 AM, said:

Very weird. Guess LB hit some tech issues?

Speaking of which hey Lio, 'sup. Good to have you in on the game.


Well reading up I'm interested in several people.


Aranatha has had plenty of pressure day 1 but in general I'm not sure on what grounds. Sorting through a few posts there seems to be alot of different agendas there?

In one situation we had Kesso curious about Aranathas reaction to Omtose, something like "hey why is Aranatha defending Omtose?" Then Telas arguing Aranatha is scummy because he made a snappy reply when holding back a vote. Both Kesso and Telas riled Aranatha up, baiting.

I'm not seeing the substance to this. if anything I just see the two working together trying to see what sticks.

Then there's that vote on Gait. I got the case built up on Kadagar. I'd say we had lazier votes, mine wasn't exactly stellar but I see what Gait was driving at.
Liosan made some strange stretches on Gait. I was pretty sure Mockra made more sense but then Mockra explained it so...yeah.

Kesso, I'm surprised to see, was on the Omtose lynch train, Seemed negative when I was on, focused on the whole Aranatha bit. not really clear what changed his mind?

Well those are my thoughts, off to work. Might pop back in around lunch time.

Cheers.

If I were to point my finger to one thing here that stands out as scummy, I couldn't. But this is the type of post I love writing when I'm scum: lots of stuff, as many nicknames as possible squeezed in, vague suspicion and one-sentece summaries of people's play, but without any specific direction or anything to sink your teeth in. Smokescreen all the way. That said, I'm terrible at playing scum (and not much better town) so my playstyle preference might not be a great hint to follow

I'm online for a bit more today. Will be at work at timeout, but should be able to drop by at morning or lunch. Sadly new job leaves me much less space for Mafia in the office.

For now sticking to my guns, reinforced by Mockra's behavior.

vote Gait

I find this post somewhat odd. You point doubt at your own Mockra/Gait case, and then come up with Serc as feeling quite scummy to you, but then vote Gait anyway?

[Kessobahn]

You know, I actually like the idea of Serc as scum and agree with Lio's thoughts on that particular matter in the above post. They've also been around and posting but fairly wishy washy. I don't recall a single standout thing that they've said. That's the kind of sign I like for scum.

Vote Serc

[Serc]

Dear Kesso

You know I actually like your glomp on the idea of lios passing theory of myself, Serc, as scum lazily scummy.

Please advise on what stand out thing you have said? perhaps I need pointers on the matter.

Last game I got in trouble for standing out. You'd excuse and understand my hope to have a wider view this round.

If you wish to confer thoughts I am happy to discuss.

Your friend,

Serc.

[Serc]

Reading through the thread I guess I can't look at every single vote as that's wishy washy.
Were I to focus on everyone I'd look like drunk town so I'm gonna try for a middle ground.

I'm settled on the Lio/Mockra/Gait situation being discussed today. I do think scum would be somewhere in this group. Looking at the case posed by Lio I can't argue with the Vote on Gait.
There might be something to the signalling case.

Liosan, on 19 October 2016 - 09:40 PM, said:

Okay, I'm here. Someone asked why did I check in so late: tech issues. My home internet has been really flaky. Still not great today but usable.

Now, back to the point. Hey Mockra, I was actually wondering if either you, Gait, or Aranatha will take my post about Aranatha's wobbliness and try to twist it around. And look, here you did it, thanks!

Mockra, on 19 October 2016 - 01:52 PM, said:

@ work, having gotten decent amount of sleep, and I can feel the blessed caffeine seeping through my system, getting shit in gear. Have to be productive fo work but should have some time to play.

having re-read the whole of 3 pages we have, really not liking Lio atm. He's posted 3 quotes by Aranatha,presenting them as "consecutive", omitting at least as many in his back and forth with Kesso. If that's not strawmanning, I don't know what is.

Couple that with his "signal-fishing" yesterday against me (pet peeve: I hate the "well, X feels scummy, but I don't know why" posts. In my experience, people tend to make those accusations for a few days, and then start screaming bloody murder that X is scum because they're too "smooth under all that pressure".), and he's looking quite shady in my books.

I never said the posts I were referring to were consecutive. I specifically wrote _ALMOST post after post_. It's easy enough to try to paint this as lying/half-truth/strawmanning, which you are doing right now. Funny how defensive you get over my slightest mention of suspicion about Gait or Aranatha. The only benefit of the doubt I give you is that I don't think it could be that obvious.

Apart from Mockra's trying to divert attention from Gait or Aranatha, one thing that caugh my eye on a reread was Serc's post that opened D2:

Serc, on 19 October 2016 - 04:50 AM, said:

Very weird. Guess LB hit some tech issues?

Speaking of which hey Lio, 'sup. Good to have you in on the game.


Well reading up I'm interested in several people.


Aranatha has had plenty of pressure day 1 but in general I'm not sure on what grounds. Sorting through a few posts there seems to be alot of different agendas there?

In one situation we had Kesso curious about Aranathas reaction to Omtose, something like "hey why is Aranatha defending Omtose?" Then Telas arguing Aranatha is scummy because he made a snappy reply when holding back a vote. Both Kesso and Telas riled Aranatha up, baiting.

I'm not seeing the substance to this. if anything I just see the two working together trying to see what sticks.

Then there's that vote on Gait. I got the case built up on Kadagar. I'd say we had lazier votes, mine wasn't exactly stellar but I see what Gait was driving at.
Liosan made some strange stretches on Gait. I was pretty sure Mockra made more sense but then Mockra explained it so...yeah.

Kesso, I'm surprised to see, was on the Omtose lynch train, Seemed negative when I was on, focused on the whole Aranatha bit. not really clear what changed his mind?

Well those are my thoughts, off to work. Might pop back in around lunch time.

Cheers.

If I were to point my finger to one thing here that stands out as scummy, I couldn't. But this is the type of post I love writing when I'm scum: lots of stuff, as many nicknames as possible squeezed in, vague suspicion and one-sentece summaries of people's play, but without any specific direction or anything to sink your teeth in. Smokescreen all the way. That said, I'm terrible at playing scum (and not much better town) so my playstyle preference might not be a great hint to follow

I'm online for a bit more today. Will be at work at timeout, but should be able to drop by at morning or lunch. Sadly new job leaves me much less space for Mafia in the office.

For now sticking to my guns, reinforced by Mockra's behavior.

vote Gait

This post has some good points but I don't put much stock in the "trap" you set on Mockra. It's the kind of thing I'd feel too premeditated for Town.

the other problem I have is how you just throw me into the fray. biased opinion I know, but first you look at Mockra and the possible signaling he might be leveling on Gait leading you to a Gait Vote but you then go out of your way to include me in the discussion before landing your Vote on Gait.

The case again is on me playing wishy washy on thread. If I recall correctly we have quite a few players diving one way then the next, Kesso and Arathan come to mind straight off the bat.

I feel like you're either baiting me of setting me up for the inevitable "Oh hey that Gait thing didn't work so what about that Serc character I mentioned earlier? what's up with him?"

Nope. I don't trust it.

Vote Liosan

[Bendal Home]

Remove Vote

I'm going to have another read of today, there's been a couple of good posts by various people but I haven't been able to dig in and see who said what. I do not know if I understand Mockra's vote yet especially since he is not coming back before timeout.

[Telas]

I am inherently suspicious of anyone who drops a vote then says 'and if they cf do I'll be doing X,Y,Z'
My vote on Arantha is not because they're Arantha, it's because of the post I quoted, and yes it's gut, and yes it was right last game for the first lynch and I didn't follow my gut for the endgame, so I'm going to trust it for the now.

Outside of my Arantha feelings, as I recognise myself that all too often I get tunnel vision on things I find the gait/mockra/lio love triangle interesting, there definitely at least a symp in there somewhere stirring the shit. I had pegged gait as a symp myself yesterday but thats a crap shoot and unprovable so haven't followed up on it. Going to look over the trivecta now.


ETA _ cf do = cf ri. Autocorrect

This post has been edited by Telas: 20 October 2016 - 08:06 AM

[Bendal Home]

Aranatha, on 19 October 2016 - 07:50 PM, said:

I don't do it either, but the fact remains that some people are doing it all the time. I don't know how often they're caught doing it, but I'd pretty much expect to be caught if I did do it. So I don't.


}Now you know" seems particularly cryptic to be taken for a signal, but Liosan never said he read it as a signal, just something that made his "spidey Senses tingle." Mockra said Liosan was seeing a signal that wasn't there. So just maybe - it was.

Vote Mockra

Ok first thing is I agree with Aranatha here, Lio did just point it out, did not actually mention signalling, only Mockra's response put that idea forward, and if it was meant to be seen as such then maybe it could also be fake signalling. That is one way a Gait CF might be best option for today.

His reaction to my vote was very calm and well thought out.

Gait, on 19 October 2016 - 06:45 PM, said:

Bendal

the weak point of it(beside being mostly signalling case, obviously) for me is that I like Mockra's response to Lio. He had very similar reactions to my nudges when I was scum(again wondering if that indicates something) and I'm sure these were not the only two occasions of that.

Quote

If Gait is a killer then Liosan is CI, Mockra is the symp and we'd be looking at Kessobahn as possible partner. That is a lot of information to be had.

Exactly, do you really believe the whole scum team would let themselves be outed just like this only on D2? That'd be one of the easiest games for town in this forum's history.

For similar reasons I don't think Aranatha is likely to be scum, I mean with the mind changing and conflicts. I don't think we should be looking for scum between people that thread's circling around, they're hardly ever there in such early stages.

The underlined you could never know, and it is not that it was obvious in terms of the outing. Hackles raised on the wifom.

Gait, on 19 October 2016 - 07:19 PM, said:

I agree with most of what you say Bendal and, although I can see how, you've got to a wrong conclusion.

There's not much to Liosan for me. Mockra is there anything else aside from the signalling prod you don't like about them? Bendal, what did you not like about them and how did it change on reread?

Also I think you're leaning towards Telas being town too quickly. But it seems to be an error in my thinking too.

I think I have it right in Telas to be honest.

If Aranatha agrees that signalling was something Mockra did then he should be voting Gait. It was subtle wording at the end of the day. Yet I am not just going to focus on that one post.

More to come

[Bendal Home]

Look at these three posts from Mockra today.

Mockra, on 19 October 2016 - 01:52 PM, said:

@ work, having gotten decent amount of sleep, and I can feel the blessed caffeine seeping through my system, getting shit in gear. Have to be productive fo work but should have some time to play.

having re-read the whole of 3 pages we have, really not liking Lio atm. He's posted 3 quotes by Aranatha,presenting them as "consecutive", omitting at least as many in his back and forth with Kesso. If that's not strawmanning, I don't know what is.

Couple that with his "signal-fishing" yesterday against me (pet peeve: I hate the "well, X feels scummy, but I don't know why" posts. In my experience, people tend to make those accusations for a few days, and then start screaming bloody murder that X is scum because they're too "smooth under all that pressure".), and he's looking quite shady in my books.

Mockra, on 19 October 2016 - 08:19 PM, said:

Gait, on 19 October 2016 - 07:19 PM, said:

I agree with most of what you say Bendal and, although I can see how, you've got to a wrong conclusion.

There's not much to Liosan for me. Mockra is there anything else aside from the signalling prod you don't like about them? Bendal, what did you not like about them and how did it change on reread?

Also I think you're leaning towards Telas being town too quickly. But it seems to be an error in my thinking too.

I already mentioned, his cherry-picking of Aranatha's quotes without context stinks of strawmanning.

Mockra, on 19 October 2016 - 08:36 PM, said:

Thinking on it, I actually like Bendal's kesso-Lio pairing for killers. Because Kesso DID actually do the about face switch that Lio accused Aranatha of (when it came to voting Omtose)

Kessobahn, on 18 October 2016 - 11:53 PM, said:

Three hours left and I don't see a lynch happening. I actually quite like Gait's pick up on Kadagar, though probably not quite enough to vote for it. I'm tempted to vote for the everpresent Omtose for giggles, but that wouldn't be mature. Aranatha I see as a symp at worst, in which case I should vote for Omtose over them, but that's also currently based on very little other than me poking them. Liosan's vote on Gait I don't really get - wasn't their beef with Mockra?

And their very next post:

Kessobahn, on 19 October 2016 - 12:15 AM, said:

Meh. I've seen worse reasons.

Vote Omtose

Mockra, on 19 October 2016 - 10:56 PM, said:

Okay, it's almost time for me to go. I gotta vote before I go.

Gait got 2 votes
Aranatha is voting Telas, b/c Telas is voting Aranatha

Telas appears to be voting based on gut again. Keeping in mind how that worked out last game, I'd rather not follow his gut.

Aranatha is all over the place, and his vote is OMGUS everyone I talking about him, so i'm pencillin him as "symp at worst" column, but IGMEOY

Now, Gait vote is based on a case. One that implicates me, as it happens. I obviously don't agree with suggestion that I'm symp, but Bendal ties too many people together in that post for us to simply ignore.

So I'll

vote Gait

And if he CFs inno, i'll be taking a long hard look at Liosan (again)

Er, what the actual fuck.


All day pointing his finger at Liosan and then votes Gait even though the case involves him signalling Gait. This to show or "prove" that Gait is not his master? Fuck, I really wanted to move away from Gait but I do not think I can or should.

Vote Gait