[WinterPhoenix]

The Wire actors were indeed cool I have to say that though, I cannot see Frankie Faison and think of anything but his character in The Wire lol

Ali's performance as Cottonmouth was fantastic, far and away the best thing about the show.

I agree the timeline isn't really that difficult to comprehend, there definitely is one glaring issue though as I explained above. Claire Temple's first appearance has her explaining why she was forced out of her prior employment, this places everything after that scene post-Daredevil series 2 (or at least post the hospital attack episode), this is to say later than than mid-December 2015, it simply does not make chronological sense for it to be otherwise - Claire can't talk about the attack if it hasn't happened yet, she also can't be in Harlem unless she's left Hell's Kitchen. However, it seems clear at the shows beginning that it is summer, and summer 2015 (i.e. approximately 6 months before the hospital attack) actually fits with what we were told before the shows release, which is to say it's only a few months after the events of JJ. The 9 months between JJ's finish in April 2015 and January 2016 is definitely stretching the definition of 'a few'. Plus it really never seems as though that kind of time passes between episode 1 and Claire Temple's arrival in Harlem. It's a definite issue in the timeline for sure, but as we all know the timeline isn't always that important in specifics. I think it's just safe to just say that LC definitely takes place prior to Civil War and after all the other Netflix shows to date (and just ignore that it seems to start in the summer, which is after all a fairly insignificant detail, mildest winter on record, global warming, who knows?). One interesting point to make, if that is the accepted timeline, then the events of Luke Cage and most of Daredevil 2 being December onwards, are taking place in a New York that has also seen the first vigilante heroism of your friendly neighbourhood Spider-Man, as he gains his powers in November 2015. Cool little tidbit to think about

Apparently in the original filming Dd2 and LC were supposed to run concurrently, considering how Luke Cage starts, however, this seems to have been at least partially nixed. But it's not impossible for everything after Claire's Harlem debut to be occurring at the same time as Dd2's final episodes, nor is it impossible that the shows both end in December 2015, it just seems unlikely for LC and I choose to believe that it is taking place after the finale of Dd2, at least everything after Claire shows up in Harlem at any rate.

You might be able to tell I am rather too obsessed with the MCU (and the comics in general tbh), waiting very impatiently for Doctor Strange

This post has been edited by WinterPhoenix: 05 October 2016 - 02:28 PM

[Nevyn]

I don't worry all that much about the Claire timing. First, placing summer or winter is fairly pointless. Unless I am recalling wrong, the MCU is pretty much pretending winter does not exist.

All that really matters is relative timing. Claire shows up in Harlem post hospital incident in DD2. Fitting that into a calendar seems unnecessary. I would not call it a contradiction, especially when you are trying to time it out based on showrunners comments, and not information presented during the show.

And I have a bigger typecasting problem with Sonja Sohn than Frankie, as he has played a number of little roles over the years.

[Aptorian]

I thought Shades was a strange character. Like Nevyn I was expecting some kind of revelation about him, but nothing really ever came out of his character.

I was sort expecting him to turn out to be Bullseye at one point, but given how ineffectual he was in prison I discarded that notion quickly.

Is Shades a person from the Luke Cage comics or is he a Netflix original character?

[WinterPhoenix]

Shades, Comanche (who was Shade's partner in crime in the Seagate scenes) and Diamondback are all real characters from Cage's past, all 4 of them were in a gang called the Rivals. Willis Stryker was not related to Cage in any way beyond friendship I think. Nor was he related to Colonel William Stryker from the X-Men comics (believe he first appeared in God Loves, Man Kills) despite the surname.

[the broken]

I wouldn't worry too much about the lack of references to the movies, obviously Avengers is going to come up as that happened in New York, the rest aren't massively relevant to the New Yorkers day to day life. Even Civil War isn't going to have major effects,

Spoiler

The UN got involved when the Avengers wiped a nation off the map, they don't care about the unusually badass Harlem neighbourhood watch.

[Nevyn]

the broken, on 05 October 2016 - 07:50 PM, said:

I wouldn't worry too much about the lack of references to the movies, obviously Avengers is going to come up as that happened in New York, the rest aren't massively relevant to the New Yorkers day to day life.

That has some validity, but is also one of the tougher stretches in terms of suspension of disbelief.

First, the doings of the Avengers in this day and age would be a constantly trending topic. And on a related note, the whole neighbourhood level scoping of these heroes and villains, and of people's responses to them, feels very 70s. Its a twitter world, but a bulletproof super strong guy doesn't get attention outside harlem.

[WinterPhoenix]

Civil War has to have a major effect, if it doesn't then it completely shatters the illusion that these shows are set in the same world as the films. In the current Agents of Shield series they are showing the effects of the Sokovia accords, i.e. shield attempting to round up Inhumansbecause of use of powers without registration. This is a nod to the movies, it makes it feel like an actual relationship. If Luke Cage, Daredevil, JJ, Iron Fist etc continue to use their powers in flagrant disregard of the accords then it should cause issues for them outside of their own bubbles, if it doesn't they might as well just separate the two wings of the MCU entirely, church and state ya know. The Accords weren't invoked merely to reign in Avengers, but all superhero's/people with powers, the Netflix heroes do count under this banner, thus Civil War has to effect them. If it is not mentioned at all once the Netflix shows overtake Civil War chronologically, then I will actually be pretty pissed tbh.

You make a very good point about it feeling very 70's and insulated, Nevyn, social media would run rampant with a bulletproof man!

Btw I mostly agree with you about it not being necessary to calendarise events, it's just something I try and do, and honestly it mostly works, which is astounding for a world so large already. I wasn't basing my comments entirely on showrunners statements about the show, but a combination of that and how obvious it is that it is supposed to be summer in LC (at least at the beginning anyhow). However it literally can't be summer (post-Claire) because the hospital attack does happen in December, this is a fact, not just me getting all timeline obsessed lol (though I blatantly am ). But yeah there is a contradiction there, I agree that it's pretty much insignificant though. I'll just happily go along ignoring the summer start and pretend its the hottest winter on record

[Tiste Simeon]

Just finished it. Better than DD and JJ in my opinion. I just loved the atmosphere of this one. Didn't have quite the same level of angst as DD or mopey whiny-ness as JJ. And I appreciated that. LC is a cool dude and I felt inadequate as a Man watching it, especially with my wife. But I was OK with it.

[the broken]

Nevyn, on 05 October 2016 - 08:25 PM, said:

the broken, on 05 October 2016 - 07:50 PM, said:

I wouldn't worry too much about the lack of references to the movies, obviously Avengers is going to come up as that happened in New York, the rest aren't massively relevant to the New Yorkers day to day life.

That has some validity, but is also one of the tougher stretches in terms of suspension of disbelief.

First, the doings of the Avengers in this day and age would be a constantly trending topic. And on a related note, the whole neighbourhood level scoping of these heroes and villains, and of people's responses to them, feels very 70s. Its a twitter world, but a bulletproof super strong guy doesn't get attention outside harlem.

I'm not up to date with AoS, but there would also be tons of hoaxes and misinformation, as well as most people at ground zero of Avengers related events not knowing much more than 'everything exploded'. Also, this kind of thing would be happening a lot thanks to the events of SHIELD season 2/3.

[Tsundoku]

Some interesting points raised about the Netflix superheroes shows.

I agree with some (eg could be compressed into 10 eps easily), but disagree with others vehemently. For me though the most interesting points are made when it compares and contrasts Netflix-style programming with traditional TV programming/pacing, how they came about etc.

Check the comments, some good stuff there.

BEWARE: some spoilers in the last few paragraphs.

http://www.theatlant...g-style/503108/

This post has been edited by Captain Needa: 10 October 2016 - 12:33 PM

[polishgenius]

I agree that, certainly, all of them could have done with being shorter seasons (or, in DD S2's case, being two shorter seasons), but the rest of the criticism is an issue of the quality of storytelling, not an inherent problem with the Netflix format.

[Aptorian]

[Tiste Simeon]

Apt, on 11 October 2016 - 06:49 PM, said:

Too Many Cooks...

[Aptorian]

Yeah, it's clear where Too Many Cooks got its inspiration from. It popped out as soon as I saw the font.

[worry]

I just started this so I haven't read the spoiler portion of the thread yet, but I just wanted to say that Alfre Woodard is friggin ageless. It's amazing.

[worry]

Finished. Really great. LC is maybe a little too righteous, and the show doesn't push him on it that much (he's a speechifier when he gets going), but the episodes really flew by. Cottonmouth was so great an antagonist, and Ali is killer with that sour-eyed smile. Shades is up there too, and I remembered him from Veronica Mars -- his eyes are kinda startling. In fact, I think every first and second tier character stood out in this, so casting was outstanding both visually and performance-wise. Diamondback wasn't quite as interesting a foil as Cottonmouth, but in tandem with Black Mariah it really stayed interesting regardless. Plus, needless, to say, this had the best score & soundtrack of any of the Marvel stuff by a long long way.

[Aptorian]

I'm just not going to watch it.

[Morgoth]

the thing with LC was that it took a serious dive in quality once they changed the antagonist. The new one was so clumsily introduced it felt like it was written by an entirely different writing team.

[Macros]

Yeah, Diamondback was so poor compared to cotton mouth.

But the soundtrack was fucking ace

[Serenity]

Morgoth, on 19 June 2018 - 06:45 AM, said:

the thing with LC was that it took a serious dive in quality once they changed the antagonist. The new one was so clumsily introduced it felt like it was written by an entirely different writing team.

I gave up on it at that point.