[Khellendros]

Path-Shaper, on 20 September 2016 - 08:44 AM, said:

It is Day 1. 15 hours and 16 minutes remaining

13 Players still alive: Andorian, Blend, Coltaine, Dolmen2.0, HiddenOne, ItwasNom, JPK, Khellendros, Kotillion, Lady Bliss, Macros, SiergieJ, Tattersail

7 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

2 votes for Tattersail (Kotillion, Lady Bliss)
1 vote for Khellendros (Coltaine)
1 vote for Lady Bliss (Khellendros)


Players not voted: Andorian, Blend, Dolmen 2.0, HiddenOne, ItwasNom, JPK, Macros, SiergieJ, Tattersail

Kotillion's an interesting one to link to Bliss based on their mutual Tatts 'appreciation'. However, I am instinctively sceptical, as I don't think Bliss would have followed her master, if we presume it's Kots, on to the train so soon. Seems a bit too blatant.

Day 1's going to be a bit of a crapshoot, obviously. I am happy to vote Bliss, or anyone who appears to be conducting a more softly-softly approach, such as Blend. I am, by contrast, happy to let Tatts continue entertaining us with the bulldozer approach to mafia play

[Khellendros]

Heh, no wonder I don't remember anything from Blend - just a single post thus far.

[Macros]

Khellendros, on 20 September 2016 - 10:45 AM, said:

Itwæs Nom, on 20 September 2016 - 05:01 AM, said:

Khell's case makes the most sense to me but it's a case on a symp, it will move us absolutely nowhere if you're right Khell. I can see your points but I'm not entirely convinced Bliss is symp and with the first sentence in mind I would rather lynch based on different reasons.

Is your acting deliberately inspired by Venge's last town performance?

That was not fully the different reason I was talking about btw.

Andorion, on 20 September 2016 - 03:30 AM, said:

I don't think Khell would be scum in altless, but that is never a safe assumption to make

Why would he not?

This is the most sensible post so far, even if it does point out the pointlessness in currently voting for Bliss (boo!). Yes, I believe Bliss will CF RI (read: symp), which at this stage doesn't help us much (I mean, other than getting rid of a scum, but we wouldn't know for sure blah blah - well, I'll know for sure, because I'm sure, and all the rest of you have to do is trust me on that...what?).

This post bugs me on several levels (one being that I can follow the logic of it perfectly, but it's coming from Khell so.....)
Firstly, am not surprised your favourite post of the game so far is one that backs you up and agrees with one of your theories.
But mainly it's because of the bit where you say 'oh she'll probably cf ri'. I really hate when people play this card, if shesa symp, who is she symping? Let's vote them please. You go after the organ grinder, not the dancing monkey. It's just such a lazy way to dump off a day one vote and you can wash your hands come dawn and say, well I knew she was a symp anyway so yay me!! Now do as I say!!
Too controlling khell, I never liked thread railroaders, they're rarely up to any good.
I still would vote bliss but I'm slowly swinging away from it with khell dramatic conviction.
We have time (like 14 hours)
I want to hear a bit from our silent players and Andorion is still tickling my funny button for that PS not random nonsense (also tied up in that is itwasnoms immediate smack down of the theory, basically jumping to khells defence unnecessarily)

[Siergiej]

On the speculation front, Nom bugs me more than Ando:

Itwæs Nom, on 20 September 2016 - 05:01 AM, said:

Khell's case makes the most sense to me but it's a case on a symp, it will move us absolutely nowhere if you're right Khell. I can see your points but I'm not entirely convinced Bliss is symp and with the first sentence in mind I would rather lynch based on different reasons.

Is your acting deliberately inspired by Venge's last town performance?

That was not fully the different reason I was talking about btw.

Andorion, on 20 September 2016 - 03:30 AM, said:

I don't think Khell would be scum in altless, but that is never a safe assumption to make

Why would he not?

Itwæs Nom, on 20 September 2016 - 05:26 AM, said:

I just don't think PS would tweak results of random (they're usually random right?) role assignments if Khell got to be a killer

Ando just threw it out there, which is bad enough. But then Nom comes and starts prodding the thread and being all like oh let's discuss this baseless speculation a bit more. It really bugs me, so this is where I'm leaning with my vote right now. But I'm around most of the day, so can switch if needed, Bliss and Ando are high on my list as well.


vote Itwæs Nom

[Khellendros]

Macros, on 20 September 2016 - 11:23 AM, said:

This post bugs me on several levels (one being that I can follow the logic of it perfectly, but it's coming from Khell so.....)
Firstly, am not surprised your favourite post of the game so far is one that backs you up and agrees with one of your theories.
But mainly it's because of the bit where you say 'oh she'll probably cf ri'. I really hate when people play this card, if shesa symp, who is she symping? Let's vote them please. You go after the organ grinder, not the dancing monkey. It's just such a lazy way to dump off a day one vote and you can wash your hands come dawn and say, well I knew she was a symp anyway so yay me!! Now do as I say!!
Too controlling khell, I never liked thread railroaders, they're rarely up to any good.
I still would vote bliss but I'm slowly swinging away from it with khell dramatic conviction.
We have time (like 14 hours)
I want to hear a bit from our silent players and Andorion is still tickling my funny button for that PS not random nonsense (also tied up in that is itwasnoms immediate smack down of the theory, basically jumping to khells defence unnecessarily)

You appear to have misread both mine and Nom's posts. First, Nom effectively torpedoes my push to vote for Bliss by pointing out eminently sensibly (and well before you reiterate the point in this post) that voting for someone you suspect will CF RI will settle little at this early stage. Therefore, I fail to see how Nom backs me up.

Second, I pointed out (or, rather, agreed with what Nom already said) that I think Bliss will CF RI - despite the silly way I put it, my intention wasn't to excuse whatever the CF might say, but rather to state yes, I do believe this lynch is NOT going to be the very best option for today.

I'm not pushing anyone else to vote for Bliss. I am saying that for me, based on how I've interpreted Blissy's play, this seems a good vote. I understand, however, not everyone being of the same conviction that Bliss is a symp. I do not have strong feelings on anyone as yet for killer. If someone does, then I'll happily listen.

[Macros]

My apologies Khell, misrepresentation on my part, mostly due to skimming a bit
For some reason I had taken mom's dismissal of andorions suggestion that the mod would deliberately take khell off a kill role as support of khell, and his symp chase. Rereading it show how massively off base that one was.

[Dolmen 2.0]

Siergiej, on 20 September 2016 - 11:40 AM, said:

On the speculation front, Nom bugs me more than Ando:

Itwæs Nom, on 20 September 2016 - 05:01 AM, said:

Khell's case makes the most sense to me but it's a case on a symp, it will move us absolutely nowhere if you're right Khell. I can see your points but I'm not entirely convinced Bliss is symp and with the first sentence in mind I would rather lynch based on different reasons.

Is your acting deliberately inspired by Venge's last town performance?

That was not fully the different reason I was talking about btw.

Andorion, on 20 September 2016 - 03:30 AM, said:

I don't think Khell would be scum in altless, but that is never a safe assumption to make

Why would he not?

Itwæs Nom, on 20 September 2016 - 05:26 AM, said:

I just don't think PS would tweak results of random (they're usually random right?) role assignments if Khell got to be a killer

Ando just threw it out there, which is bad enough. But then Nom comes and starts prodding the thread and being all like oh let's discuss this baseless speculation a bit more. It really bugs me, so this is where I'm leaning with my vote right now. But I'm around most of the day, so can switch if needed, Bliss and Ando are high on my list as well.


vote Itwæs Nom

considering all Khells said so far isn't this a Symp Vote?

I mean we can look into this more I think.

I'm following the train of thought and wonder if we were right about the first instinct to Vote Tatts or Bliss. Of the two I'd say atleast Khell, Nom and Andorian may be eligible for symp.

Both are quiet atm.

I'll re-read the thread after work before making a formal argument.

[Itwæs Nom]

Siergiej, on 20 September 2016 - 11:40 AM, said:

On the speculation front, Nom bugs me more than Ando:

Itwæs Nom, on 20 September 2016 - 05:01 AM, said:

Khell's case makes the most sense to me but it's a case on a symp, it will move us absolutely nowhere if you're right Khell. I can see your points but I'm not entirely convinced Bliss is symp and with the first sentence in mind I would rather lynch based on different reasons.

Is your acting deliberately inspired by Venge's last town performance?

That was not fully the different reason I was talking about btw.

Andorion, on 20 September 2016 - 03:30 AM, said:

I don't think Khell would be scum in altless, but that is never a safe assumption to make

Why would he not?

Itwæs Nom, on 20 September 2016 - 05:26 AM, said:

I just don't think PS would tweak results of random (they're usually random right?) role assignments if Khell got to be a killer

Ando just threw it out there, which is bad enough. But then Nom comes and starts prodding the thread and being all like oh let's discuss this baseless speculation a bit more. It really bugs me, so this is where I'm leaning with my vote right now. But I'm around most of the day, so can switch if needed, Bliss and Ando are high on my list as well.


vote Itwæs Nom

I wanted to refrain further comments on the matter because you're right, it gives town nothing useful but I wanted to make sure I understand the mechanics and what Ando was saying because the two things were quite in contradiction. I saw it more as an offtopic than a comment on an actual game process.

Also Khell is scaring me, I think I have already received higher amount of agreeing with me from him than a sum of it from all players at the end of any of the previous games I've played

I'd be willing to vote him but I need a reread when I have time

[Lady Bliss]

Back and just finished a reread. This has to be the scummiest post so far:

Khellendros, on 20 September 2016 - 10:45 AM, said:

This is the most sensible post so far, even if it does point out the pointlessness in currently voting for Bliss (boo!). Yes, I believe Bliss will CF RI (read: symp), which at this stage doesn't help us much (I mean, other than getting rid of a scum, but we wouldn't know for sure blah blah - well, I'll know for sure, because I'm sure, and all the rest of you have to do is trust me on that...what?).

Khell is certain I'll cf RI, and admits it won't help much but says you should vote for me anyway? Khell's declaration comes hard on the tail of Tatts gettimg to 3 votes. I'm tempted to keep my vote on Tatts for that reason, but I would consider switching to Khell.

[Siergiej]

@Dolmen: symp hunting on D1 is not my cup of tea and considering we had 4 people already accused of symping but few suggestions of who is being symped, I'm reluctant to follow this course. I'm voting Nom, because he tried to keep the mech speculation going and that only serves scum.

[Siergiej]

X-posted, didn't see Nom's and Bliss' posts, sorry.

So, what do we have against Khell? He seems way too convinced that Bliss is a symp, which is odd, but I cannot say I'm not suspicious about LB.

[Lady Bliss]

Siergiej, on 20 September 2016 - 12:41 PM, said:

X-posted, didn't see Nom's and Bliss' posts, sorry.

So, what do we have against Khell? He seems way too convinced that Bliss is a symp, which is odd, but I cannot say I'm not suspicious about LB.

My problem is that he says I'll cf RI but that is OK???? That leaves himself open to a day 2 shrug, and a comment that "it was what he expected".

[Kotilion]

Itwæs Nom, on 19 September 2016 - 07:32 PM, said:

Kotilion, on 19 September 2016 - 06:38 PM, said:

Vote Tattersail

She voted for me, so it is pretty clear.

People will hardly lynch you D1 without really good reason to do so and Tatt's is well aware of that, he gives us nothing even resembling such reason hence I think his vote is in no way any real threat to you.

Can you elaborate your thoughts?

I know her vote was OMGUS, and it wasn´t any threat for me, but it was opportunity write somethnig so...
I properly don´t know what write and how play.
My vote was OMGUS too.

[HiddenOne]

Day 1 seriousness, wow.

[Blend]

Ooh boy, a whole extra page of content to read! I'm here and reading up!

However, before I do so, I feel like I should

vote Khellendros

We all know why.

[Khellendros]

Lady Bliss, on 20 September 2016 - 12:37 PM, said:

Back and just finished a reread. This has to be the scummiest post so far:

Khellendros, on 20 September 2016 - 10:45 AM, said:

This is the most sensible post so far, even if it does point out the pointlessness in currently voting for Bliss (boo!). Yes, I believe Bliss will CF RI (read: symp), which at this stage doesn't help us much (I mean, other than getting rid of a scum, but we wouldn't know for sure blah blah - well, I'll know for sure, because I'm sure, and all the rest of you have to do is trust me on that...what?).

Khell is certain I'll cf RI, and admits it won't help much but says you should vote for me anyway? Khell's declaration comes hard on the tail of Tatts gettimg to 3 votes. I'm tempted to keep my vote on Tatts for that reason, but I would consider switching to Khell.

Haha, talk about pouncing on a lifeline with all your might.

Lady Bliss, on 20 September 2016 - 12:48 PM, said:

Siergiej, on 20 September 2016 - 12:41 PM, said:

X-posted, didn't see Nom's and Bliss' posts, sorry.

So, what do we have against Khell? He seems way too convinced that Bliss is a symp, which is odd, but I cannot say I'm not suspicious about LB.

My problem is that he says I'll cf RI but that is OK???? That leaves himself open to a day 2 shrug, and a comment that "it was what he expected".

I did not say that. In fact, what I said is that you are NOT the best lynch for today, just for the fact that I believe you will CF RI and that will raise all manner of speculation, even if you are ultimately scum. In the end, we can keep you unlynched so long as no one makes the error of listening to you.

But until I see something better, my vote remains.

[Dolmen 2.0]

All right, lets get into this...

Path-Shaper, on 20 September 2016 - 08:44 AM, said:

It is Day 1. 15 hours and 16 minutes remaining

13 Players still alive: Andorian, Blend, Coltaine, Dolmen2.0, HiddenOne, ItwasNom, JPK, Khellendros, Kotillion, Lady Bliss, Macros, SiergieJ, Tattersail

7 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

2 votes for Tattersail (Kotillion, Lady Bliss)
1 vote for Khellendros (Coltaine)
1 vote for Lady Bliss (Khellendros)


Players not voted: Andorian, Blend, Dolmen 2.0, HiddenOne, ItwasNom, JPK, Macros, SiergieJ, Tattersail

So to summarize Votes here:

Khell pegs Bliss for scum but is sure she is gonna CF RI. So he's saying she's a symp?

Meanwhile Blisses vote is on Tatts because Khell shifted the heat onto her effectively symp action for Tatts. Fake or real? hard to tell but that train made sense to me earlier on.

Tatts vote was on Kottilion because new blood.

Kots voted back because OMGUS.

Cott voted Khell because...feels wrong not to.

Lady Bliss, on 20 September 2016 - 12:48 PM, said:

Siergiej, on 20 September 2016 - 12:41 PM, said:

X-posted, didn't see Nom's and Bliss' posts, sorry.

So, what do we have against Khell? He seems way too convinced that Bliss is a symp, which is odd, but I cannot say I'm not suspicious about LB.

My problem is that he says I'll cf RI but that is OK???? That leaves himself open to a day 2 shrug, and a comment that "it was what he expected".

In total we have a focus on Tatts because of his Humble guard comment.

Bliss is stuck on the oddness from Tatts. Not so much in this imo, I said so in my remove vote, but then Khell pushed attention away from this and towards her.

Cotts is playing to the histories interested if he sticks to this.

Khell warrants attention. That CF RI comment bothers everyone a tad I'm sure. I get into WIFOMISM, but yes I think its an odd thing to say and yes its a plausible reason to suspect he's up to something.

Alot of andorian and Noms mechanic discussion can be boiled down to wondering if Khell is legit or not. Seeds of chaos if ever there were any.

I'm happy to Vote Tatts or Khell at this point. Bliss is either very right or very wrong.

Khell out serves to clear things up. I don't like confusion.

Tatts out serves to clarify LB's agenda.

Bliss out...Khell gets his way? I'm not sure where getting a CF RI benefits town? would like Khell to explain this more.

I'll be honest, not sure where to weigh in. I think Tatts or Khell would make the most sense this far into the game.

[Khellendros]

Why is saying Bliss will CF RI so controversial? If I already before that said that I believe that she is a symp, then surely that follows???

I am voting for her because I think she is scum. Again, I'm not sure what is controversial about that. In fact, I find it quite odd that people are voicing confusion about this.

Would it help if I said Bliss is a killer? Well, I don't think her play so far suggests killer, but I do think it could suggest symp. That is still scum, and that is my reason for voting. I think she was entirely too eager to jump onto Tatts, for doing something we could all have seen Tatts doing.

Tell me who's a killer, and why, and I can be convinced to change my vote (unless you think it's me, obvs).

[Khellendros]

To pre-empt the obvious question - then who is Bliss symping? - I would say I have no idea as yet. But 'symping' someone, as in defending a killer from suspicion, is only one aspect of the symp role. Pushing other suspects into the limelight with fundamentally thin reasoning is another, and I think that that is what Bliss had done. You will then say, but that's day 1, it's all thin! I accept that, but let's look at what Tatts did: He deliberately made himself a target to see who would jump on his bait. Who did? One newbie and one experienced player. Perhaps I should have waited longer to see what else might arise, but have a look at how so many of you are contemplating lynching Tatts, on the basis of his statement being solidly made suspect by a vote from Bliss.

[Dolmen 2.0]

Khellendros, on 20 September 2016 - 03:03 PM, said:

Why is saying Bliss will CF RI so controversial? If I already before that said that I believe that she is a symp, then surely that follows???

I am voting for her because I think she is scum. Again, I'm not sure what is controversial about that. In fact, I find it quite odd that people are voicing confusion about this.

Would it help if I said Bliss is a killer? Well, I don't think her play so far suggests killer, but I do think it could suggest symp. That is still scum, and that is my reason for voting. I think she was entirely too eager to jump onto Tatts, for doing something we could all have seen Tatts doing.

Tell me who's a killer, and why, and I can be convinced to change my vote (unless you think it's me, obvs).

I don't think it's controversial, I was just highlighting a trigger. Your wording warrants attention and the order of your appearance has you looking like Tatts symp.

Also on principle you do tend to come off as trying to lead town.

I'm wary of that sort of play.