[Nevyn]

 Vengeance, on 07 September 2016 - 02:37 AM, said:

Guards escorted him into the chambers of the emperor and lord Vader. He alone walked out. Lord Vader initiated a system wide manhunt for the rebel leader which was lead by no other then bubba fet. Skywalker was and is alive plotting his continued treachery.

The republic was beyond saving at the point that lord Vader took over. We were imbroiled in the clone wars thanks to the Jedi only by a strong hand assuming control could the war be stopped. I believe that eventually once the rebellion was put down the emperor would have allowed for an emperioral senate to be formed then slowly allowed for them to assume duties. The republican senate was a breeding ground for the rebels and its indecicivness allowed the Jedi to assume control of the armed forces.

The guards were on the death star. Which blew up.

Boba Fett is being slowly digested.

Your story is full of holes.

[Abyss]

Many Bothans died to bring us this nonsense.

[Coltaine -]

 Mentalist, on 07 September 2016 - 03:29 AM, said:

 Vengeance, on 07 September 2016 - 02:54 AM, said:

 Mentalist, on 07 September 2016 - 02:43 AM, said:

 Vengeance, on 07 September 2016 - 02:37 AM, said:

 Secret Startaker, on 07 September 2016 - 01:51 AM, said:

 Vengeance, on 07 September 2016 - 12:42 AM, said:

 Secret Startaker, on 06 September 2016 - 10:00 PM, said:

 Vengeance, on 06 September 2016 - 09:48 PM, said:

. Nothing that I stated is a misstatement.

Except that you misspelled Vader, and Luke didn't really kill him. Luke cuts off a mechanical hand. Vader is fatally injured saving luke from the emperor's force lightning, betraying the emperor and committing regicide. Thus even if you were a pro empire observer, Vader is ultmately a traitor.

I got your point. It was just wrong.

That is all Rebel propaganda the only witness to Lord Vaders demise and to the tragic death of the Emperor was the craven assassin Luke Skywalker. Thus he created the narrative that has been spoon feed you over the years of war since Lord Vaders death. Don't tell me you actually believe that a band of unsophisticated teddy bear creatures were able to bring down the defense ray of a second floating galactic home. . That should tell you that the whole thing was simply a cover story for the unspeakable destruction that the rebels instigated.

That is also the only witness that skywalker existed, much less was there. If you are going to assume the ignorant observer angle, then Skywalker as asssassin makes no sense.

Guards escorted him into the chambers of the emperor and lord Vader. He alone walked out. Lord Vader initiated a system wide manhunt for the rebel leader which was lead by no other then bubba fet. Skywalker was and is alive plotting his continued treachery.

The republic was beyond saving at the point that lord Vader took over. We were imbroiled in the clone wars thanks to the Jedi only by a strong hand assuming control could the war be stopped. I believe that eventually once the rebellion was put down the emperor would have allowed for an emperioral senate to be formed then slowly allowed for them to assume duties. The republican senate was a breeding ground for the rebels and its indecicivness allowed the Jedi to assume control of the armed forces.

uh-huh. Because humans just love giving up absolute power when they don't need to.

Note that I have no strong opinions on Vader himself, but the system he erroneously believed in deserves nothing but contempt.

That is where you are wrong the emperor wasn't human. He was a enlightened Nabbion. Human is an earth concept. Plus on earth I believe that Augusto Pinochet was a dictator who relinquished power in a free election once he had brought the country into the 20th century. Thus it does happen so your argue ment is false.

How does one exception contradict my entire argument? for your one Pinochet, I can rattle off a dozen dictators who never relinquished power after seizing it.

And I don't think that Pinochett is a good example for a benovelent dictator. Murder, Torture, ...

He managed to make a good deal for his post-dictatur times. Leader of the army for eigth years, senator for a lifetime, immunity for his crimes. Without that he would have probably tried to stay in power.

[Vengeance]

 - Coltaine -, on 07 September 2016 - 06:20 AM, said:

And I don't think that Pinochett is a good example for a benovelent dictator. Murder, Torture, ...

He managed to make a good deal for his post-dictatur times. Leader of the army for eigth years, senator for a lifetime, immunity for his crimes. Without that he would have probably tried to stay in power.

One human example is all that is needed in order to prove that it may have been a possibility we shall never know for he was killed by the craven coward Luke Skywalker.

I didn't say that the emperor was benevolent just that I believed that eventually he would have given up some of his power to a senate. I imagine much like the founder of the Roman Empire Augustus Caesar.

Another thing ask you self why would the empire bother to build a small moon that can destroy a planet to go after a centralized rebellion. A rebellion that neither him nor Lord Vader (all praise be) took seriously. That just doesn't make any sense. Well it does if you believe that the Emperor and Lord Vader (all praise be) were preparing the galaxy for a war with the Yuuzhan Vong. The brutal conquering people that will end up destroying most of the life in the known galaxy and are hidden from the force. Instead of being allowed to prepare the galaxy the emperor and Lord Vader (all praise be) were cut down and unending war was the result.

[Mentalist]

 Vengeance, on 07 September 2016 - 09:28 PM, said:

 - Coltaine -, on 07 September 2016 - 06:20 AM, said:

And I don't think that Pinochett is a good example for a benovelent dictator. Murder, Torture, ...

He managed to make a good deal for his post-dictatur times. Leader of the army for eigth years, senator for a lifetime, immunity for his crimes. Without that he would have probably tried to stay in power.

One human example is all that is needed in order to prove that it may have been a possibility we shall never know for he was killed by the craven coward Luke Skywalker.

I didn't say that the emperor was benevolent just that I believed that eventually he would have given up some of his power to a senate. I imagine much like the founder of the Roman Empire Augustus Caesar.

Another thing ask you self why would the empire bother to build a small moon that can destroy a planet to go after a centralized rebellion. A rebellion that neither him nor Lord Vader (all praise be) took seriously. That just doesn't make any sense. Well it does if you believe that the Emperor and Lord Vader (all praise be) were preparing the galaxy for a war with the Yuuzhan Vong. The brutal conquering people that will end up destroying most of the life in the known galaxy and are hidden from the force. Instead of being allowed to prepare the galaxy the emperor and Lord Vader (all praise be) were cut down and unending war was the result.

Are you sure that's still canon?

our point is that the rule of many, with checks and balances against individuals abusing power is always better than absolute power. You offer nothing but speculation that Palpatine would institute such a system. We offer concrete proof that he helped to dismantle one such system.

[worry]

Imagine Darth Vader with diarrhea. He'd have to like get in and out of that whole outfit like every 30 minutes.

[Azath Vitr (D'ivers]

 worry, on 07 September 2016 - 11:58 PM, said:

Imagine Darth Vader with diarrhea. He'd have to like get in and out of that whole outfit like every 30 minutes.

Nah, he'd get a tube and/or a tank (if he couldn't use the Force).

Darth Vader's shiny armor bloated with diarrhea dribbling out all the holes---the awful honest essence of all non-open-faced sandwiches (not to mention burritos...).

This post has been edited by Azath Vitr (D'ivers: 08 September 2016 - 12:21 AM

[worry]

What?

[Azath Vitr (D'ivers]

 worry, on 08 September 2016 - 12:34 AM, said:

What?

Spoiler

Imagine if (and I don't think this quite counts as a spoiler) there were a Warren of Diarrhea... and a fractured Warren of Sandwiches,---intersecting said Warren of Diarrhea... with ouroborically regurgitated sandwiches. Then would the imperially radioactive tyranny of overly-refined carbohydrates finally be abolished?

For verily, then, the Vitr of carblessness would, by a commodius vicus of diaregurgitation, bring us back to the only logical explanation of this thread: Mal's derangement as a result of some sort of Neo-Quasi-Psycho-Analytic anal-oral fixation on whether Darth Vader is more a burrito or a bildungs stupidgermancompoundwordsthatareshittingalloverUSoAnimperialdominationlikeluftballons.

Put the shit in a spoiler

Venge - admin

[HiddenOne]

I need an Admin in here to ban this guy, STAT

I'm not sure if I can finish the day...

[Vengeance]

 HiddenOne, on 08 September 2016 - 01:30 PM, said:

I need an Admin in here to ban this guy, STAT

I'm not sure if I can finish the day...

Being an asshole isn't exactly a banning offense. Just ignore him.

[Vengeance]

 Mentalist, on 07 September 2016 - 11:46 PM, said:

 Vengeance, on 07 September 2016 - 09:28 PM, said:

 - Coltaine -, on 07 September 2016 - 06:20 AM, said:

And I don't think that Pinochett is a good example for a benovelent dictator. Murder, Torture, ...

He managed to make a good deal for his post-dictatur times. Leader of the army for eigth years, senator for a lifetime, immunity for his crimes. Without that he would have probably tried to stay in power.

One human example is all that is needed in order to prove that it may have been a possibility we shall never know for he was killed by the craven coward Luke Skywalker.

I didn't say that the emperor was benevolent just that I believed that eventually he would have given up some of his power to a senate. I imagine much like the founder of the Roman Empire Augustus Caesar.

Another thing ask you self why would the empire bother to build a small moon that can destroy a planet to go after a centralized rebellion. A rebellion that neither him nor Lord Vader (all praise be) took seriously. That just doesn't make any sense. Well it does if you believe that the Emperor and Lord Vader (all praise be) were preparing the galaxy for a war with the Yuuzhan Vong. The brutal conquering people that will end up destroying most of the life in the known galaxy and are hidden from the force. Instead of being allowed to prepare the galaxy the emperor and Lord Vader (all praise be) were cut down and unending war was the result.

Are you sure that's still canon?

our point is that the rule of many, with checks and balances against individuals abusing power is always better than absolute power. You offer nothing but speculation that Palpatine would institute such a system. We offer concrete proof that he helped to dismantle one such system.

It was a blatantly corrupt system that couldn't even stop a simple trade war. Honestly what good was it doing? Just allowing for innocents to be killed at an extraordinary rate and leading the galaxy into an all out war. The republic didn't have the will to solve any problem. History has taught us that in order for a war to be won there can only be one person in charge. That is why the President is the head of the armed forces and not the senate. It seems to me that rather then looking objectively at what was going on in the galaxy at the time you are projecting your own expectations and thoughts onto the situation. If they can make Admiral Thrawn cannon then why not the Yuuzhan Vong. After all Thrawn is a Chiss and they are the ones who the Yuuzhan Vong attacked first.

[Whisperzzzzzzz]

Speaking of Mal, I guess whatever he took freed him from the aimless tyranny of message board trolling?

EDIT: @Veng, the Yuuzhan Vong would be too awesome for mainstream audiences.

This post has been edited by Whisperzzzzzzz: 08 September 2016 - 01:43 PM

[Vengeance]

 Whisperzzzzzzz, on 08 September 2016 - 01:42 PM, said:

Speaking of Mal, I guess whatever he took freed him from the aimless tyranny of message board trolling?

Either that or he had a couple of people book rooms and is busy doing the breakfast and cleaning thing.

[Vengeance]

 Whisperzzzzzzz, on 08 September 2016 - 01:42 PM, said:

Speaking of Mal, I guess whatever he took freed him from the aimless tyranny of message board trolling?

EDIT: @Veng, the Yuuzhan Vong would be too awesome for mainstream audiences.

But it is such a good story line.

[Whisperzzzzzzz]

 Vengeance, on 08 September 2016 - 02:14 PM, said:

 Whisperzzzzzzz, on 08 September 2016 - 01:42 PM, said:

Speaking of Mal, I guess whatever he took freed him from the aimless tyranny of message board trolling?

EDIT: @Veng, the Yuuzhan Vong would be too awesome for mainstream audiences.

But it is such a good story line.

I agree. I see a lot of hate for the NJO sequence, but I think it's undeserved. Sure, it's different than Star Wars stories that came before — a lot darker, a lot more brutal, and a bit more philosophical — but I think it's a compelling story on its own. (I read it when I was a teenager, so take my opinion on it how you will. I don't know if I'd think the same today.)

[HiddenOne]

 Vengeance, on 08 September 2016 - 01:33 PM, said:

Being an asshole isn't exactly a banning offense. Just ignore him.

I didn't really want him banned anyway, maybe just forced to pay for some eyebleach and short term memory erasing. And maybe lunch at at the Japanese steakhouse.

[Vengeance]

 Whisperzzzzzzz, on 08 September 2016 - 03:39 PM, said:

 Vengeance, on 08 September 2016 - 02:14 PM, said:

 Whisperzzzzzzz, on 08 September 2016 - 01:42 PM, said:

Speaking of Mal, I guess whatever he took freed him from the aimless tyranny of message board trolling?

EDIT: @Veng, the Yuuzhan Vong would be too awesome for mainstream audiences.

But it is such a good story line.

I agree. I see a lot of hate for the NJO sequence, but I think it's undeserved. Sure, it's different than Star Wars stories that came before — a lot darker, a lot more brutal, and a bit more philosophical — but I think it's a compelling story on its own. (I read it when I was a teenager, so take my opinion on it how you will. I don't know if I'd think the same today.)

I enjoyed all of the ones that I read. I didn't read all of them. I found that the whole arch offered the best potential reasons for the creation of industrial military complex that the emperor generated with the clone wars. Especially if you considered that he had contact with the Chiss and most likely knew of the Vong. Plus with his mastery of the force he was surely able to see into the future and gimps the possibility of the invasion.

[Messremb]

Relevant to sandwiches: SMBC

[worry]

I don't understand a single post in this thread.