[Togg]

Aparal Forge, on 27 July 2016 - 02:09 PM, said:

Olar Ethil, on 27 July 2016 - 01:18 PM, said:

Aparal Forge, on 27 July 2016 - 12:00 PM, said:

Shadow, on 27 July 2016 - 08:57 AM, said:

Kadagar Fant, on 27 July 2016 - 07:27 AM, said:

Interesting, with the night one heal we had a scene were we could see this in effect, last night we did not have one, would we have had something if someone was guarded or not? Or did the killers refrain from killing what we suspect as our healer?

The possibilities in my mind are:1. Heal was successful but PS didn't give us a scene because he was busy or smth.2. Guard was successful.3. The killer forgot to put in a provisional.4. The killer intentionally withheld a kill to confuse the thread.I don't want to speculate regarding the possibility of the first two options. Regarding the third option, I find it highly unlikely because almost everyone alive had checked in and posted before the day ended yesterday. The fourth option does not make sense at all to hold your kill in a 1vs7 scenario.We can either wait for someone else to profess off-thread knowledge and give us the scum, or look at the low posters/ those that not post before end of day yesterday.

Anomandaris, on 27 July 2016 - 09:02 AM, said:

Another option is Killer hitting the infected one and triggering zombie virus to action

What me worries is that Shadow (or maybe someone else) could be a zombie now. So theoretically we should lynch him to prevent a zombie apocalypse. Or scum is playing with us and wants us to lynch two times in a row a townie. If this is the actual plan ... well played scum. From that point of view I don't think that option number 4 is that unlikely, as we still can't really trust Shadow.I'm not sure why PS did not post a scene to what happend. Maybe because it would make things to easy for town now. I don't like the act that Shadow dismisses option number 4 and does not mention the possibility of a zombie. But the advise to wait for someone to reveal off thread knowledge is probably a good idea. I also don't think that the killer forgot to vote. Only three hours remained of the day and we had a train on Fanderay that started several hours ago. There should have been enough time for scum to tell PS who is going to die this night. And in the case that the killer had no time to watch the thread until the end of the day he would have atleast named a target and an optional replacement.

A bunch of good points here.I was leaning more towards Togg or Merrid, but lynching Shadow could be a safe option?All I have on Merrid is his playing style - it certainly does not help Town but would lone Scum play like this? In a symp game I would have pegged him as Symp. Togg's initial no reason vote on Kesso worries me. As for Shadow its all speculation. There is very little hard evidence. Shadow has hinted at a reveal, not made an actual reveal. I don't really see a full lynch case yet.

I agree with you in the cases of Togg and Merrid as possible lynch targets.

The problem with a Shadow lynch is really that it is pure speculation. This is the first time that we have the possibility of a zombie and currently only eight players remain. A zombie with recruit ability could turn the whole game.

On the other hand I got an idea: In case that we have a zombie in the game, the killer would have also a reason to eliminate him, right? I guess if the zombie recruits someone the new zombie will get the identity of his leader. So it will be difficult for the killer to survive once the faction grows. The safest way for the killer would be to nightkill the potential zombie he couldn't kill last night. Our guard, if still alive, guards the same player like last night, who is maybe the killer. I guess the healer, if still alive, should also heal the same person. As long as the message for the killer only said that the nightkill failed, and not how, he would be forced to do the same action as last night to prevent a zombie-invasion. So we should maybe focus on the killer today and hope that there is now zombie.

Any faults in my thoughts?

Obviously I have a problem with the Togg case. I would have voted Merrid yesterday but then Mess went and self voted creating a bunch of WIFOM forcing a lynch on him. I was willing to let him keep talking for the evening, but then Ano went and hammered.

On your idea about leaving a killer around, that is a pretty scummy tactic to try and justify keeping a killer.

Anyways

vote Merrid

He still gives me an impression that he is coasting, and he hasn't added any positive contribution.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 4. 20 hours and 58 minutes remaining

8 Players still alive: Anomandaris, Aparal Forge, Demelain, Kadagar Fant, Merrid, Olar Ethil, Shadow, Togg

5 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Merrid ( Kadagar Fant, Togg )

Players not voted: Anomandaris, Aparal Forge, Demelain, Merrid, Olar Ethil, Shadow

[Aparal Forge]

Togg, on 27 July 2016 - 02:23 PM, said:

Aparal Forge, on 27 July 2016 - 02:09 PM, said:

Olar Ethil, on 27 July 2016 - 01:18 PM, said:

Aparal Forge, on 27 July 2016 - 12:00 PM, said:

Shadow, on 27 July 2016 - 08:57 AM, said:

Kadagar Fant, on 27 July 2016 - 07:27 AM, said:

Interesting, with the night one heal we had a scene were we could see this in effect, last night we did not have one, would we have had something if someone was guarded or not? Or did the killers refrain from killing what we suspect as our healer?

The possibilities in my mind are:1. Heal was successful but PS didn't give us a scene because he was busy or smth.2. Guard was successful.3. The killer forgot to put in a provisional.4. The killer intentionally withheld a kill to confuse the thread.I don't want to speculate regarding the possibility of the first two options. Regarding the third option, I find it highly unlikely because almost everyone alive had checked in and posted before the day ended yesterday. The fourth option does not make sense at all to hold your kill in a 1vs7 scenario.We can either wait for someone else to profess off-thread knowledge and give us the scum, or look at the low posters/ those that not post before end of day yesterday.

Anomandaris, on 27 July 2016 - 09:02 AM, said:

Another option is Killer hitting the infected one and triggering zombie virus to action

What me worries is that Shadow (or maybe someone else) could be a zombie now. So theoretically we should lynch him to prevent a zombie apocalypse. Or scum is playing with us and wants us to lynch two times in a row a townie. If this is the actual plan ... well played scum. From that point of view I don't think that option number 4 is that unlikely, as we still can't really trust Shadow.I'm not sure why PS did not post a scene to what happend. Maybe because it would make things to easy for town now. I don't like the act that Shadow dismisses option number 4 and does not mention the possibility of a zombie. But the advise to wait for someone to reveal off thread knowledge is probably a good idea. I also don't think that the killer forgot to vote. Only three hours remained of the day and we had a train on Fanderay that started several hours ago. There should have been enough time for scum to tell PS who is going to die this night. And in the case that the killer had no time to watch the thread until the end of the day he would have atleast named a target and an optional replacement.

A bunch of good points here.I was leaning more towards Togg or Merrid, but lynching Shadow could be a safe option?All I have on Merrid is his playing style - it certainly does not help Town but would lone Scum play like this? In a symp game I would have pegged him as Symp. Togg's initial no reason vote on Kesso worries me. As for Shadow its all speculation. There is very little hard evidence. Shadow has hinted at a reveal, not made an actual reveal. I don't really see a full lynch case yet.

I agree with you in the cases of Togg and Merrid as possible lynch targets. The problem with a Shadow lynch is really that it is pure speculation. This is the first time that we have the possibility of a zombie and currently only eight players remain. A zombie with recruit ability could turn the whole game. On the other hand I got an idea: In case that we have a zombie in the game, the killer would have also a reason to eliminate him, right? I guess if the zombie recruits someone the new zombie will get the identity of his leader. So it will be difficult for the killer to survive once the faction grows. The safest way for the killer would be to nightkill the potential zombie he couldn't kill last night. Our guard, if still alive, guards the same player like last night, who is maybe the killer. I guess the healer, if still alive, should also heal the same person. As long as the message for the killer only said that the nightkill failed, and not how, he would be forced to do the same action as last night to prevent a zombie-invasion. So we should maybe focus on the killer today and hope that there is no zombie.Any faults in my thoughts?

Obviously I have a problem with the Togg case. I would have voted Merrid yesterday but then Mess went and self voted creating a bunch of WIFOM forcing a lynch on him. I was willing to let him keep talking for the evening, but then Ano went and hammered. On your idea about leaving a killer around, that is a pretty scummy tactic to try and justify keeping a killer. Anywaysvote MerridHe still gives me an impression that he is coasting, and he hasn't added any positive contribution.

I did not argue to leave the killer around. My idea was that if the killer survives today he would also have to try to kill the zombie (in case that he did not forgot or withheld his vote).

[Olar Ethil]

I can get behind a Merrid lynch if only to remove a non-performing distraction

Vote Merrid

[Merrid]

Hold up a second dudes, I'm actually working on a sort-of case!

And someone take a goddamn vote off me, just in case. I promise you won't regret it.

[Kadagar Fant]

Merrid, on 27 July 2016 - 03:15 PM, said:

Hold up a second dudes, I'm actually working on a sort-of case!

And someone take a goddamn vote off me, just in case. I promise you won't regret it.

You're on L2 at the moment.

[Merrid]

Aparal Forge is the other killer.


First, here, straight out the gate. "Oh shit, tried to kill Shadow, didn't work, let's get him guys!" Also, any time that someone says 'well played scum' in their posts or something along those lines - they're the scum. Fact.

But really, this is about a kill not going through and Aparal panicking slightly, and wanting to seize the situation early by presenting non-killed Shadow as the first lynch target.

Aparal Forge, on 27 July 2016 - 12:00 PM, said:

What me worries is that Shadow (or maybe someone else) could be a zombie now. So theoretically we should lynch him to prevent a zombie apocalypse. Or scum is playing with us and wants us to lynch two times in a row a townie. If this is the actual plan ... well played scum. From that point of view I don't think that option number 4 is that unlikely, as we still can't really trust Shadow.

I'm not sure why PS did not post a scene to what happend. Maybe because it would make things to easy for town now. I don't like the act that Shadow dismisses option number 4 and does not mention the possibility of a zombie. But the advise to wait for someone to reveal off thread knowledge is probably a good idea.

I also don't think that the killer forgot to vote. Only three hours remained of the day and we had a train on Fanderay that started several hours ago. There should have been enough time for scum to tell PS who is going to die this night. And in the case that the killer had no time to watch the thread until the end of the day he would have atleast named a target and an optional replacement.

There is then some initial resistance to this, so Aparal quickly backs off. Doesn't want to seem too pushy. Now Aparal says, "the problem with a Shadow lynch is really that it is pure speculation." This from the person who pushed it right off the bat just a couple of posts ago! Continues to bang on about the zombie possibility nonetheless.

And then, scummiest of all, says what guard and healer should do, AND tells us what killer is going to do. In other words, trying to direct the roled players AWAY from targetting the killer, which is what this plan is really intended to do.

The 'any faults in my thoughts' line is pure scum-trying-to-seem-not-too-pushy.

Aparal Forge, on 27 July 2016 - 02:09 PM, said:

I agree with you in the cases of Togg and Merrid as possible lynch targets.

The problem with a Shadow lynch is really that it is pure speculation. This is the first time that we have the possibility of a zombie and currently only eight players remain. A zombie with recruit ability could turn the whole game.

On the other hand I got an idea: In case that we have a zombie in the game, the killer would have also a reason to eliminate him, right? I guess if the zombie recruits someone the new zombie will get the identity of his leader. So it will be difficult for the killer to survive once the faction grows. The safest way for the killer would be to nightkill the potential zombie he couldn't kill last night. Our guard, if still alive, guards the same player like last night, who is maybe the killer. I guess the healer, if still alive, should also heal the same person. As long as the message for the killer only said that the nightkill failed, and not how, he would be forced to do the same action as last night to prevent a zombie-invasion. So we should maybe focus on the killer today and hope that there is now zombie.

Any faults in my thoughts?

I don't see why this would be the case, by the by. PS said that zombie would be given randomly to someone. Whether they already have a role or not is moot.

Aparal Forge, on 27 July 2016 - 02:12 PM, said:

Okay, did not thought about that. So shadow-zombie is probably unlikely if he is not the killer

Anyways, Aparal Forge is the killer.

Vote Aparal Forge


My first vote of the game, so take that as evidence of my conviction.

[Merrid]

Alright guys, I'm off out and I may not be back for a long while.

In case you need further convincing, I have been a wonderful team player the whole game. No, I am not joking or being facetious. I've made available more info than anyone else.

[Kadagar Fant]

Merrid, on 27 July 2016 - 03:46 PM, said:

Alright guys, I'm off out and I may not be back for a long while.

In case you need further convincing, I have been a wonderful team player the whole game. No, I am not joking or being facetious. I've made available more info than anyone else.

Still think you're the best lynch today.

[Olar Ethil]

Ok

Remove Vote

I am going to check Merrid's case

[Olar Ethil]

Aparal Forge, on 27 July 2016 - 12:00 PM, said:

Shadow, on 27 July 2016 - 08:57 AM, said:

Kadagar Fant, on 27 July 2016 - 07:27 AM, said:

Interesting, with the night one heal we had a scene were we could see this in effect, last night we did not have one, would we have had something if someone was guarded or not? Or did the killers refrain from killing what we suspect as our healer?

The possibilities in my mind are:1. Heal was successful but PS didn't give us a scene because he was busy or smth.2. Guard was successful.3. The killer forgot to put in a provisional.4. The killer intentionally withheld a kill to confuse the thread.I don't want to speculate regarding the possibility of the first two options. Regarding the third option, I find it highly unlikely because almost everyone alive had checked in and posted before the day ended yesterday. The fourth option does not make sense at all to hold your kill in a 1vs7 scenario.We can either wait for someone else to profess off-thread knowledge and give us the scum, or look at the low posters/ those that not post before end of day yesterday.

Anomandaris, on 27 July 2016 - 09:02 AM, said:

Another option is Killer hitting the infected one and triggering zombie virus to action

What me worries is that Shadow (or maybe someone else) could be a zombie now. So theoretically we should lynch him to prevent a zombie apocalypse. Or scum is playing with us and wants us to lynch two times in a row a townie. If this is the actual plan ... well played scum. From that point of view I don't think that option number 4 is that unlikely, as we still can't really trust Shadow.I'm not sure why PS did not post a scene to what happend. Maybe because it would make things to easy for town now. I don't like the act that Shadow dismisses option number 4 and does not mention the possibility of a zombie. But the advise to wait for someone to reveal off thread knowledge is probably a good idea. I also don't think that the killer forgot to vote. Only three hours remained of the day and we had a train on Fanderay that started several hours ago. There should have been enough time for scum to tell PS who is going to die this night. And in the case that the killer had no time to watch the thread until the end of the day he would have atleast named a target and an optional replacement.

ok breaking down AF's comment

Quote

What me worries is that Shadow (or maybe someone else) could be a zombie now. So theoretically we should lynch him to prevent a zombie apocalypse.

Could be someone else. Why specifically Shadow?

Quote

Or scum is playing with us and wants us to lynch two times in a row a townie.

Isn't this what scum wants all the time?

Quote

I don't like the act that Shadow dismisses option number 4

His logic for dismissal was not bad

These are the parts that stuck out at me.

Aparal Forge, on 27 July 2016 - 02:09 PM, said:

Olar Ethil, on 27 July 2016 - 01:18 PM, said:

Aparal Forge, on 27 July 2016 - 12:00 PM, said:

Shadow, on 27 July 2016 - 08:57 AM, said:

Kadagar Fant, on 27 July 2016 - 07:27 AM, said:

Interesting, with the night one heal we had a scene were we could see this in effect, last night we did not have one, would we have had something if someone was guarded or not? Or did the killers refrain from killing what we suspect as our healer?

The possibilities in my mind are:1. Heal was successful but PS didn't give us a scene because he was busy or smth.2. Guard was successful.3. The killer forgot to put in a provisional.4. The killer intentionally withheld a kill to confuse the thread.I don't want to speculate regarding the possibility of the first two options. Regarding the third option, I find it highly unlikely because almost everyone alive had checked in and posted before the day ended yesterday. The fourth option does not make sense at all to hold your kill in a 1vs7 scenario.We can either wait for someone else to profess off-thread knowledge and give us the scum, or look at the low posters/ those that not post before end of day yesterday.

Anomandaris, on 27 July 2016 - 09:02 AM, said:

Another option is Killer hitting the infected one and triggering zombie virus to action

What me worries is that Shadow (or maybe someone else) could be a zombie now. So theoretically we should lynch him to prevent a zombie apocalypse. Or scum is playing with us and wants us to lynch two times in a row a townie. If this is the actual plan ... well played scum. From that point of view I don't think that option number 4 is that unlikely, as we still can't really trust Shadow.I'm not sure why PS did not post a scene to what happend. Maybe because it would make things to easy for town now. I don't like the act that Shadow dismisses option number 4 and does not mention the possibility of a zombie. But the advise to wait for someone to reveal off thread knowledge is probably a good idea. I also don't think that the killer forgot to vote. Only three hours remained of the day and we had a train on Fanderay that started several hours ago. There should have been enough time for scum to tell PS who is going to die this night. And in the case that the killer had no time to watch the thread until the end of the day he would have atleast named a target and an optional replacement.

A bunch of good points here.I was leaning more towards Togg or Merrid, but lynching Shadow could be a safe option?All I have on Merrid is his playing style - it certainly does not help Town but would lone Scum play like this? In a symp game I would have pegged him as Symp. Togg's initial no reason vote on Kesso worries me. As for Shadow its all speculation. There is very little hard evidence. Shadow has hinted at a reveal, not made an actual reveal. I don't really see a full lynch case yet.

I agree with you in the cases of Togg and Merrid as possible lynch targets. The problem with a Shadow lynch is really that it is pure speculation. This is the first time that we have the possibility of a zombie and currently only eight players remain. A zombie with recruit ability could turn the whole game. On the other hand I got an idea: In case that we have a zombie in the game, the killer would have also a reason to eliminate him, right? I guess if the zombie recruits someone the new zombie will get the identity of his leader. So it will be difficult for the killer to survive once the faction grows. The safest way for the killer would be to nightkill the potential zombie he couldn't kill last night. Our guard, if still alive, guards the same player like last night, who is maybe the killer. I guess the healer, if still alive, should also heal the same person. As long as the message for the killer only said that the nightkill failed, and not how, he would be forced to do the same action as last night to prevent a zombie-invasion. So we should maybe focus on the killer today and hope that there is now zombie.Any faults in my thoughts?

So AF basically repeats what I said and reverses his position regarding Shadow

I am not saying Merrid has a watertight case, but it isn't pure BS either.

Also what are the opinions regarding his comments on AF saying what scum and roles should do?

[Aparal Forge]

Merrid, on 27 July 2016 - 03:26 PM, said:

Aparal Forge is the other killer.First, here, straight out the gate. "Oh shit, tried to kill Shadow, didn't work, let's get him guys!" Also, any time that someone says 'well played scum' in their posts or something along those lines - they're the scum. Fact. But really, this is about a kill not going through and Aparal panicking slightly, and wanting to seize the situation early by presenting non-killed Shadow as the first lynch target.

Aparal Forge, on 27 July 2016 - 12:00 PM, said:

What me worries is that Shadow (or maybe someone else) could be a zombie now. So theoretically we should lynch him to prevent a zombie apocalypse. Or scum is playing with us and wants us to lynch two times in a row a townie. If this is the actual plan ... well played scum. From that point of view I don't think that option number 4 is that unlikely, as we still can't really trust Shadow.I'm not sure why PS did not post a scene to what happend. Maybe because it would make things to easy for town now. I don't like the act that Shadow dismisses option number 4 and does not mention the possibility of a zombie. But the advise to wait for someone to reveal off thread knowledge is probably a good idea. I also don't think that the killer forgot to vote. Only three hours remained of the day and we had a train on Fanderay that started several hours ago. There should have been enough time for scum to tell PS who is going to die this night. And in the case that the killer had no time to watch the thread until the end of the day he would have atleast named a target and an optional replacement.

There is then some initial resistance to this, so Aparal quickly backs off. Doesn't want to seem too pushy. Now Aparal says, "the problem with a Shadow lynch is really that it is pure speculation." This from the person who pushed it right off the bat just a couple of posts ago! Continues to bang on about the zombie possibility nonetheless.And then, scummiest of all, says what guard and healer should do, AND tells us what killer is going to do. In other words, trying to direct the roled players AWAY from targetting the killer, which is what this plan is really intended to do.The 'any faults in my thoughts' line is pure scum-trying-to-seem-not-too-pushy.

Aparal Forge, on 27 July 2016 - 02:09 PM, said:

I agree with you in the cases of Togg and Merrid as possible lynch targets. The problem with a Shadow lynch is really that it is pure speculation. This is the first time that we have the possibility of a zombie and currently only eight players remain. A zombie with recruit ability could turn the whole game. On the other hand I got an idea: In case that we have a zombie in the game, the killer would have also a reason to eliminate him, right? I guess if the zombie recruits someone the new zombie will get the identity of his leader. So it will be difficult for the killer to survive once the faction grows. The safest way for the killer would be to nightkill the potential zombie he couldn't kill last night. Our guard, if still alive, guards the same player like last night, who is maybe the killer. I guess the healer, if still alive, should also heal the same person. As long as the message for the killer only said that the nightkill failed, and not how, he would be forced to do the same action as last night to prevent a zombie-invasion. So we should maybe focus on the killer today and hope that there is now zombie.Any faults in my thoughts?

I don't see why this would be the case, by the by. PS said that zombie would be given randomly to someone. Whether they already have a role or not is moot.

Aparal Forge, on 27 July 2016 - 02:12 PM, said:

Okay, did not thought about that. So shadow-zombie is probably unlikely if he is not the killer

Anyways, Aparal Forge is the killer.Vote Aparal ForgeMy first vote of the game, so take that as evidence of my conviction.

Well ... At least you are contributing something.

1. If I would be the killer I would not be that stupid to give myself a pat on the back. I may think too complex about the situation, but if the killer withheld his vote to confuse us, it would be an intereesting move. Worked for me.

2. My speculations above were logical in my opinion. No nightkill, no post from PS to explain something -> Maybe because writing: You have a zombie now" would be to easy? PS posted later that he was just to busy. But we still have the possibility of zombie.
And how should I prove a zombie??? We can't prove it. We wouldn't even know if someone is a zombie, as we only get the names from PS.

3. I did not try to get the attention away from the killer. I just came to the conclusion in the end, that if we don't lynch the killer today we will he will also have to try to kill the possible zombie. And I gave the killer priority

Aparal Forge, on 27 July 2016 - 02:09 PM, said:

So we should maybe focus on the killer today and hope that there is now zombie. Any faults in my thoughts?

Overall: You are suspicious about me, because I speculated. About zombies and why Shadow is not dead.


Edit: Dead not that. Not sure how this happend

This post has been edited by Aparal Forge: 27 July 2016 - 05:34 PM

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 4. 18 hours and 1 minute remaining

8 Players still alive: Anomandaris, Aparal Forge, Demelain, Kadagar Fant, Merrid, Olar Ethil, Shadow, Togg

5 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Aparal Forge ( Merrid )
2 Votes for Merrid ( Kadagar Fant, Togg )

Players not voted: Anomandaris, Aparal Forge, Demelain, Olar Ethil, Shadow

[Togg]

Olar Ethil, on 27 July 2016 - 04:31 PM, said:

Aparal Forge, on 27 July 2016 - 12:00 PM, said:

Shadow, on 27 July 2016 - 08:57 AM, said:

Kadagar Fant, on 27 July 2016 - 07:27 AM, said:

Interesting, with the night one heal we had a scene were we could see this in effect, last night we did not have one, would we have had something if someone was guarded or not? Or did the killers refrain from killing what we suspect as our healer?

The possibilities in my mind are:1. Heal was successful but PS didn't give us a scene because he was busy or smth.2. Guard was successful.3. The killer forgot to put in a provisional.4. The killer intentionally withheld a kill to confuse the thread.I don't want to speculate regarding the possibility of the first two options. Regarding the third option, I find it highly unlikely because almost everyone alive had checked in and posted before the day ended yesterday. The fourth option does not make sense at all to hold your kill in a 1vs7 scenario.We can either wait for someone else to profess off-thread knowledge and give us the scum, or look at the low posters/ those that not post before end of day yesterday.

Anomandaris, on 27 July 2016 - 09:02 AM, said:

Another option is Killer hitting the infected one and triggering zombie virus to action

What me worries is that Shadow (or maybe someone else) could be a zombie now. So theoretically we should lynch him to prevent a zombie apocalypse. Or scum is playing with us and wants us to lynch two times in a row a townie. If this is the actual plan ... well played scum. From that point of view I don't think that option number 4 is that unlikely, as we still can't really trust Shadow.I'm not sure why PS did not post a scene to what happend. Maybe because it would make things to easy for town now. I don't like the act that Shadow dismisses option number 4 and does not mention the possibility of a zombie. But the advise to wait for someone to reveal off thread knowledge is probably a good idea. I also don't think that the killer forgot to vote. Only three hours remained of the day and we had a train on Fanderay that started several hours ago. There should have been enough time for scum to tell PS who is going to die this night. And in the case that the killer had no time to watch the thread until the end of the day he would have atleast named a target and an optional replacement.

ok breaking down AF's comment

Quote

What me worries is that Shadow (or maybe someone else) could be a zombie now. So theoretically we should lynch him to prevent a zombie apocalypse.

Could be someone else. Why specifically Shadow?

Quote

Or scum is playing with us and wants us to lynch two times in a row a townie.

Isn't this what scum wants all the time?

Quote

I don't like the act that Shadow dismisses option number 4

His logic for dismissal was not bad

These are the parts that stuck out at me.

Aparal Forge, on 27 July 2016 - 02:09 PM, said:

Olar Ethil, on 27 July 2016 - 01:18 PM, said:

Aparal Forge, on 27 July 2016 - 12:00 PM, said:

Shadow, on 27 July 2016 - 08:57 AM, said:

Kadagar Fant, on 27 July 2016 - 07:27 AM, said:

Interesting, with the night one heal we had a scene were we could see this in effect, last night we did not have one, would we have had something if someone was guarded or not? Or did the killers refrain from killing what we suspect as our healer?

The possibilities in my mind are:1. Heal was successful but PS didn't give us a scene because he was busy or smth.2. Guard was successful.3. The killer forgot to put in a provisional.4. The killer intentionally withheld a kill to confuse the thread.I don't want to speculate regarding the possibility of the first two options. Regarding the third option, I find it highly unlikely because almost everyone alive had checked in and posted before the day ended yesterday. The fourth option does not make sense at all to hold your kill in a 1vs7 scenario.We can either wait for someone else to profess off-thread knowledge and give us the scum, or look at the low posters/ those that not post before end of day yesterday.

Anomandaris, on 27 July 2016 - 09:02 AM, said:

Another option is Killer hitting the infected one and triggering zombie virus to action

What me worries is that Shadow (or maybe someone else) could be a zombie now. So theoretically we should lynch him to prevent a zombie apocalypse. Or scum is playing with us and wants us to lynch two times in a row a townie. If this is the actual plan ... well played scum. From that point of view I don't think that option number 4 is that unlikely, as we still can't really trust Shadow.I'm not sure why PS did not post a scene to what happend. Maybe because it would make things to easy for town now. I don't like the act that Shadow dismisses option number 4 and does not mention the possibility of a zombie. But the advise to wait for someone to reveal off thread knowledge is probably a good idea. I also don't think that the killer forgot to vote. Only three hours remained of the day and we had a train on Fanderay that started several hours ago. There should have been enough time for scum to tell PS who is going to die this night. And in the case that the killer had no time to watch the thread until the end of the day he would have atleast named a target and an optional replacement.

A bunch of good points here.I was leaning more towards Togg or Merrid, but lynching Shadow could be a safe option?All I have on Merrid is his playing style - it certainly does not help Town but would lone Scum play like this? In a symp game I would have pegged him as Symp. Togg's initial no reason vote on Kesso worries me. As for Shadow its all speculation. There is very little hard evidence. Shadow has hinted at a reveal, not made an actual reveal. I don't really see a full lynch case yet.

I agree with you in the cases of Togg and Merrid as possible lynch targets. The problem with a Shadow lynch is really that it is pure speculation. This is the first time that we have the possibility of a zombie and currently only eight players remain. A zombie with recruit ability could turn the whole game. On the other hand I got an idea: In case that we have a zombie in the game, the killer would have also a reason to eliminate him, right? I guess if the zombie recruits someone the new zombie will get the identity of his leader. So it will be difficult for the killer to survive once the faction grows. The safest way for the killer would be to nightkill the potential zombie he couldn't kill last night. Our guard, if still alive, guards the same player like last night, who is maybe the killer. I guess the healer, if still alive, should also heal the same person. As long as the message for the killer only said that the nightkill failed, and not how, he would be forced to do the same action as last night to prevent a zombie-invasion. So we should maybe focus on the killer today and hope that there is now zombie.Any faults in my thoughts?

So AF basically repeats what I said and reverses his position regarding Shadow

I am not saying Merrid has a watertight case, but it isn't pure BS either.

Also what are the opinions regarding his comments on AF saying what scum and roles should do?

I have to agree. I thought it sounded too much like "maybe the killer will be our friend and kill our mutual enemy if everyone just goes back to the same places they were last night" *wink* *wink*

Merrid's case isn't entirely without merit, but I want to look at AF's play up until this point before I decide.

[Aparal Forge]

@ Olar Ethil: Sorry, to many quotes. I will answer directly without quoting you:

Shadow, on 26 July 2016 - 08:33 AM, said:

Kadagar Fant, on 26 July 2016 - 08:23 AM, said:

Shadow, on 26 July 2016 - 08:17 AM, said:

Yeah, I really can't do much to argue against a lynch. What I suggest the thread do however, is not lynch me for today, because the remaining scum will take care of it in light of the fact that I can VPI Demelain.

really, I see the possibilities, how can you vpi him?

My CF.Reveals are forbidden, so I can't say anymore.

This is why I thought Shadow would get nightkilled. And was surprised that he was still alive. He indicatd that he had a role or something. Looks like a good target for the killer.

My thoughts for the killer withholding his kill were that it would be a good tactic to confuse us and we would maybe kill Shadow. That would make two dead townies (if Shadow is one) without him doing anything. And getting rid of a player with a role, if Shadow tells the truth. Sounds like a good plan. From that point of view I did not understand why Shadow dismisses the possibility. Another possibility would also be, that Shadow is the killer and witheld his vote. Yes, Speculations. I know.

I just came during my second post to the conclusion, that it maybe wasn't necessary to look for zombies, as the killer would also have to look for him.

About Shadow ... I'm suspicious, but currently not enough to vote for him.

[Togg]

Aparal Forge, on 27 July 2016 - 05:33 PM, said:

@ Olar Ethil: Sorry, to many quotes. I will answer directly without quoting you:

Shadow, on 26 July 2016 - 08:33 AM, said:

Kadagar Fant, on 26 July 2016 - 08:23 AM, said:

Shadow, on 26 July 2016 - 08:17 AM, said:

Yeah, I really can't do much to argue against a lynch. What I suggest the thread do however, is not lynch me for today, because the remaining scum will take care of it in light of the fact that I can VPI Demelain.

really, I see the possibilities, how can you vpi him?

My CF.Reveals are forbidden, so I can't say anymore.

This is why I thought Shadow would get nightkilled. And was surprised that he was still alive. He indicatd that he had a role or something. Looks like a good target for the killer.

My thoughts for the killer withholding his kill were that it would be a good tactic to confuse us and we would maybe kill Shadow. That would make two dead townies (if Shadow is one) without him doing anything. And getting rid of a player with a role, if Shadow tells the truth. Sounds like a good plan. From that point of view I did not understand why Shadow dismisses the possibility. Another possibility would also be, that Shadow is the killer and witheld his vote. Yes, Speculations. I know.

I just came during my second post to the conclusion, that it maybe wasn't necessary to look for zombies, as the killer would also have to look for him.

About Shadow ... I'm suspicious, but currently not enough to vote for him.

But why would we just assume we needed to lynch shadow? I didn't see a counter reveal there. And what is with your choice of words here? Slip of the tongue? Town lynches...

[Olar Ethil]

Why isn't AF talking about the possibility that the Healer might have Shadow covered because of his semi reveal?

[Togg]

Olar Ethil, on 27 July 2016 - 05:49 PM, said:

Why isn't AF talking about the possibility that the Healer might have Shadow covered because of his semi reveal?

I thought Shadow WAS the healer?

[Anomandaris]

I've never thought we would found killer in Merrid

I've thought Aparal was roled since D3, they don't stick out too much, but I was most inclined to town role. Partially kinda because meta but I'm not sure about that.

Anyway I don't like the wifom he's trying to explain his earlier posts with

vote Aparal Forge

I'm aware Merrid build this case, and it was almost everything of his thoughts he has posted in this game, after the loose around his neck started getting tight. Is he trying to imply something here?

Merrid, on 27 July 2016 - 03:26 PM, said:

Aparal Forge is the other killer.

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Anyways, Aparal Forge is the killer.

Vote Aparal Forge


My first vote of the game, so take that as evidence of my conviction.

yeah I guess I'm really backing up Merrid

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 4. 17 hours and 10 minutes remaining

8 Players still alive: Anomandaris, Aparal Forge, Demelain, Kadagar Fant, Merrid, Olar Ethil, Shadow, Togg

5 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Aparal Forge ( Merrid, Anomandaris )
2 Votes for Merrid ( Kadagar Fant, Togg )

Players not voted: Aparal Forge, Demelain, Olar Ethil, Shadow