[Olar Ethil]

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[Olar Ethil]

Kessobahn, on 30 June 2016 - 04:42 PM, said:

Back from work and took a look at previous pages but can't really say I'm arriving at any strong conclusions. Togg sounds like a viable option but more due to a lack of better candidate than any particularly strong reasoning. Which makes me think we should grill the quite ones more. I looked at Olar Ethil's posts and on D1 it was just the 'club' chatter and no vote. On D2 it was Dem drive-by vote (number 5) and this:

Olar Ethil, on 30 June 2016 - 10:14 AM, said:

I'm all about quality over quantity?

No, just got nothing useful to say at the moment. Not that there aren't things to pick out - the spot on Demelain proves that - it's just that I've been unable to thus far. I'm still very unclear on the actual setup, so just treading water for the time being.

I don't like this post at all. It's a weak excuse for staying away from the action and then Olar's back to doing nothing. That asks for more heat.

vote Olar Ethil

Why is it a weak excuse? I haven't spotted anything that hadn't already been spotted by someone else so I haven't posted repeats of what has already been said. My vote demonstrated my agreement with that line of thinking.


If anything, it is your vote here that's weak. Picked out what you thought might be a safe non-vocal target. Your reasoning is weak. You say you're voting me because I'm staying out of the action, but the only reason you saw that is because I stated it without dissembling.

[Olar Ethil]

Path-Shaper, on 30 June 2016 - 10:54 PM, said:

Sooooo polling the thread. We can either have the 3 day weekend as one long night, or one long day. I have no life, so if you want to play through with a very long clock I am good with it.

Long night if possible, as I won't be around.

[Olar Ethil]

I agree with Aparal that the speculation on secondary roles for the CFd students seems odd.

[Denul]

I will be in and out of the thread over the long weekend.

I can see that I am not the only one struggling with trying to find anything with this game.

[Kessobahn]

Poll:
I am hungover as fuck and down for anything the majority decides.

Olar:

Olar Ethil, on 01 July 2016 - 07:29 AM, said:

Kessobahn, on 30 June 2016 - 04:42 PM, said:

Back from work and took a look at previous pages but can't really say I'm arriving at any strong conclusions. Togg sounds like a viable option but more due to a lack of better candidate than any particularly strong reasoning. Which makes me think we should grill the quite ones more. I looked at Olar Ethil's posts and on D1 it was just the 'club' chatter and no vote. On D2 it was Dem drive-by vote (number 5) and this:

Olar Ethil, on 30 June 2016 - 10:14 AM, said:

I'm all about quality over quantity?

No, just got nothing useful to say at the moment. Not that there aren't things to pick out - the spot on Demelain proves that - it's just that I've been unable to thus far. I'm still very unclear on the actual setup, so just treading water for the time being.

I don't like this post at all. It's a weak excuse for staying away from the action and then Olar's back to doing nothing. That asks for more heat.

vote Olar Ethil

Why is it a weak excuse? I haven't spotted anything that hadn't already been spotted by someone else so I haven't posted repeats of what has already been said. My vote demonstrated my agreement with that line of thinking.


If anything, it is your vote here that's weak. Picked out what you thought might be a safe non-vocal target. Your reasoning is weak. You say you're voting me because I'm staying out of the action, but the only reason you saw that is because I stated it without dissembling.

Seriously? We're way into D3 already and pretty much all you've done was one driveby vote. It's been a confusing game so far but there's been role speculation, setup discussion, some accusations. How is oh I just didn't spot anything NOT a weak excuse?

CFs:
I have no clue about Buffy's lore so need to rely on what others say. So, characters CF'd so far were not actually humans/normal students? Or were they close enough for the CF to make sense? That's a longshot, but bear with my hungover self. Some people, myself included, assumed there must a recruiter for vampires or some other non-School faction. But what if School team has a recruiter too and they recruited Demelain N1? His slip and then being like sorry team I messed up would make more sense.

[Kadagar Fant]

Merrid, on 30 June 2016 - 01:36 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 27 June 2016 - 12:08 AM, said:

"Into every generation a slayer is born: one girl in all the world, a chosen one. She alone will wield the strength and skill to fight the vampires, demons, and the forces of darkness; to stop the spread of their evil and the swell of their number. She is the Slayer."You live in Sunnydale. It's a beautiful city in sunny California, unfortunately people die a little more often here. Vampires look just like everyone else until they decide to kill you. It is Day 1. 36 Hours remaining.14 players still alive: Anomandaris,Demelain,Denul,Fanderay,Aparal Forge,Korlat,Merrid,Kessobahn,Emurlahn,Telas,Shadow,Togg,Kadagar Fant,Olar Ethil 8 votes to lynch. 8 votes to go night.Players not voted: Anomandaris,Demelain,Denul,Fanderay,Aparal Forge,Korlat,Merrid,Kessobahn,Emurlahn,Telas,Shadow,Togg,Kadagar Fant,Olar Ethil The Timer has started!

This is what led me to suggest that we may not have reliable CFs. Pretty flimsy, I admit.

Path-Shaper, on 29 June 2016 - 12:51 AM, said:

It is a lynch!It is Day 1. 10 minutes remaining.14 players still alive: Anomandaris,Demelain,Denul,Fanderay,Aparal Forge,Korlat,Merrid,Kessobahn,Emurlahn,Telas,Shadow,Togg,Kadagar Fant,Olar Ethil 8 votes to lynch. 8 votes to go night.1 vote Merrid (Anomandaris)1 vote Olar Ethil (Shadow)8 votes Anomandaris (Merrid, Kessobahn, Emurlahn, Togg, Aparal Forge, Demelain, Korlat, Telas)Players not voted: Denul, Fanderay, Kadagar Fant,Olar EthilAnomandaris was Harmony Kendall a student at Sunnydale High and played by Vengeance.

So "student at Sunnydale High" is can be a)the CF for the largest faction b )the standard CF for everyone or C) the CF for an unlucky faction.
I don't like dealing with luck so I'm going to go with one of A or B.

Path-Shaper, on 29 June 2016 - 06:31 PM, said:

Giles: Can you tell me if there's a vampire in this building? Buffy: Maybe. Giles: You should know. Even through this mass and this... din, you should be able to sense them. Well, try. Reach out with your mind. You have to hone your senses. Focus till the energy washes over you. Till you-you feel every particle of-of... Buffy: There's one. Giles: W-Where? Buffy: Right there, talking to that girl. Giles: You don't know... Buffy: Oh, please! Look at his jacket. He's got the sleeves rolled up. And the shirt - Deal with that outfit for a moment. Giles: It's dated. Buffy: It's carbon-dated. Trust me, only someone living underground for ten years would think *that* was still the look.

This post from PS indicates the existence of a Vampire. I don't see any reference to a recruit mechanic though.

Togg, on 29 June 2016 - 07:44 PM, said:

So, one apparent vampire between us, My money is on this guy being recruiter
Your stance is shite Merrid, if everyone had the stance, would you really expect Dem to slip-reveal anything?So, let's say you're trying to get an additional day or two for your teammate. Recruiters profit the most from additional day or two.I can imagine Dem recruiting you with your serious stance yesterday, are you that girl by a chance, Merrid?But first let's see who is Dem thoughvote Demelain

I have issues with this statement because I can't remember PS ever mentioning the existence of one single recruiter in the game. You saying "my money is on this being our recruiter" makes me suspect you have more knowledge than the rest of us about the recruit mechanic.

If there is a post in thread or out of thread that mentions the game's mechanics more in depth I have missed it, and would love a quote or a link to it.

Apart from the fact that Togg assuming you to be Dem's puppet is alarming, the bigger alarm bells go off when I see how hard you are trying to sell us that there is no recruiter when that is becoming more and more likely due to circumstances.
Let's examine what happened so far.

1. Zero kills. As a result, it is safe to say by now that a traditional minority faction with night kills as their main weapon does probably not exist in this game. Since this is a theme game, there might be cause for this speculation somewhere in the theme. So, I did some wikipedia research. Vampires in Buffy are demons who animate corpses and reproduce by drinking most of a human's blood, then have the human drink theirs (siring). In mafia terms, this is easiest replicated through a recruitment mechanic, with maybe one night to drain a human, and another to feed their own blood, or somesuch? A recruit per cycle is after all quite powerful.


2. the title of the game: Buffy the Vampire Slayer. It is probably safe to assume that Buffy is in this game. Whether or not she qualifies as part of the Sunnydale student faction or is on a seperate one, is unknown. What we can assume is that someone called a Vampire Slayer, who may or may not have a victory condition that involes slaying all evils or some such. If we go literally by the Giles/Buffy scene quoted above about sensing vampires, she might also be a finder, maybe a finder with a vig?

So, dear Merrid, why are you so stubbornly denying the option of a recruiter being around? If you believe this is not the case, by all means, come up with an alternative - which you don't, you just attack the people who do.
This is also a faction game, do you really believe P-S should have spoiled all the mechanics? Of course not. So, I am going to call it as I see it: Togg may have hit a spot with his speculation of there being a recruiter. But I think what he mostly did, is hit a nerve in you. The full-on denial above where you take everything literary is rather nervous, one must admit.

So, I am curious to see what you are, and my bet is, you're a vampire. Because you have been very consistent in setting up a scenario in which a recruiter is not around. Page 1, Post 14.

Merrid, on 27 June 2016 - 02:16 PM, said:

Telas, on 27 June 2016 - 01:58 PM, said:

Okay, Merrid, serious question: do you think "demons" and "forces of darkness" are separate factions or one?

I have not played VtM. However, I'm assuming that we have at least 3 factions and a predator/FM type character in the game just based on the first scene.

Edit: for some reason I have been reading Buffy the Vampire Slayer as Vampire: the Masquerade.
My point still stands.

Back there, it might have been simple speculation, or, more nefariously, steering the thread away from the speculation of a cult mechanic.
Couple that with your reply above, though, and we arrive at a more consistent picture. The only ones to profit from obfuscation, are the ones obfuscating.
Finally, if you expect three factions and a predator or FM, putting this game at a solid TMDI 10, how can you then possibly say this:

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Path-Shaper, on 29 June 2016 - 06:31 PM, said:

Giles: Can you tell me if there's a vampire in this building?
Buffy: Maybe.
Giles: You should know. Even through this mass and this... din, you should be able to sense them. Well, try. Reach out with your mind. You have to hone your senses. Focus till the energy washes over you. Till you-you feel every particle of-of...
Buffy: There's one.
Giles: W-Where?
Buffy: Right there, talking to that girl.
Giles: You don't know...
Buffy: Oh, please! Look at his jacket. He's got the sleeves rolled up. And the shirt - Deal with that outfit for a moment.
Giles: It's dated.
Buffy: It's carbon-dated. Trust me, only someone living underground for ten years would think *that* was still the look.

This post from PS indicates the existence of a Vampire. I don't see any reference to a recruit mechanic though.

All that combined paints a picture not of a stubborn townie, but of someone who is very much trying to prevent a certain reasoning on thread.
I name thee Vampire.

Vote Merrid

[Merrid]

Kadagar Fant, on 01 July 2016 - 10:43 AM, said:

All that combined paints a picture not of a stubborn townie, but of someone who is very much trying to prevent a certain reasoning on thread.
I name thee Vampire.

Vote Merrid

I can see what you’re saying, and I agree that on second thought, my posts do read like I’m denying the existence of a vampire. But, my whole reason for asking Togg questions was because he acted like there was ONE single recruiter, in a high TMDI faction game when we haven’t had any kills yet. That assumption sounds really weird to me. I believe it either means he had inside info regarding the recruit mechanic and he slipped, or he is trying to trick us, or he is just a bad player and assuming things he shouldn’t assume.

In all three cases everyone is better off if he is put under pressure.

Merrid, on 30 June 2016 - 01:41 PM, said:

Telas, on 30 June 2016 - 01:34 PM, said:

I don't see Vengy playing solo killer like that on Day 1. Given he's got limited time RL, I doubt he'd RP like that (yes, posting walls of lyrics is RP for Venge. This is the guy who posts "100 bottles of beer on the wall" in one massive post for fun) if he was anything but RI (presuming all Sunnydale students except Buffy got no special powers, they are "roleless" in my book)

Talking about guards/healers/BPs and other possible nightly shenanigans is just about totally useless, b/c there's no night scenes to look for clues in.

I agree with both the points you make. I still think we need to have some idea about how the game is working before doing the third lynch. So, we at least need to reach a consensus regarding the factions in game that we know.

Students at Sunnydale ~ probably the largest faction, roles???
Vampire ~ we know there is at least one, Togg called him "our recruiter"
Demons ~Speculation, don't know if they exist in game
Forces of darkness ~ see above

That's not a lot of information. And that is most certainly not the whole picture. You can't have a game with 1 killer/recruiter/whatever and 13 people in the other team and call it balanced. (or a faction game for that matter)

Here I even admit the vampire can be a recruiter (very likely is), but again, without more CFs we just don’t know if he is the only one. I'm trying to get the point across that there have to be more baddies out there, and Togg's assumption is suspicious to the extreme.

Merrid, on 30 June 2016 - 01:36 PM, said:

I have issues with this statement because I can't remember PS ever mentioning the existence of one single recruiter in the game. You saying "my money is on this being our recruiter" makes me suspect you have more knowledge than the rest of us about the recruit mechanic.

If there is a post in thread or out of thread that mentions the game's mechanics more in depth I have missed it, and would love a quote or a link to it.

Note the use of “one single”. Here I meant to convey that there can be more than one recruiter (definitely has to be more than one baddy) , I also found Togg’s wording very interesting. I did misquote it though, as he mentioned up thread.
I put my vote on him not because I’m denying the existence of a vampire recruiter as you imply, but because I think he acts like he knows too much about the recruiter.

Merrid, on 30 June 2016 - 02:46 PM, said:

Korlat, on 30 June 2016 - 02:43 PM, said:

So the question is how much do we trust the Co's to point out the faction of the characters? As was said, we have background that indicates a witch and a vampire. The main identifier, student at Sunnydale, really tells us nothing.

I have always preferred the person-who-smelt-it-dealt-it approach to this game, people having the unresistable urge to discuss their roles.

Vote Togg

I also wonder if as a witch Vengy did have a role? Maybe empowering/protecting others?

That is a good approach.

Vote Togg

Perhaps this will make him talk.

Here I even agree with Korlat’s reason for voting Togg. “The person who smelt it dealt it”, notice that I’m not saying Togg talks about a recruiter when there isn’t one in game. I’m saying Togg makes assumptions about a recruiter without PS giving us a single clue about how she implemented that mechanic. It just stinks to high heavens for me.



I'm fine with anything the other people decide regarding the long weekend.

[Togg]

Once again then

Togg, on 30 June 2016 - 09:52 PM, said:

Merrid, on 30 June 2016 - 02:38 PM, said:

I don't know why both you and Togg think there is a single recruiter working alone. Is there a reason we can't have multiple recruiters or a recruiter with a faction?
If there is, please tell me what it is.

Where is even the slightest implication of me thinking anything like that?

[Merrid]

Path-Shaper, on 26 June 2016 - 11:13 PM, said:

2.3 - Bold Restrictions
The use of bold should be limited to voting. If you want to emphasize a players name or another word, you can underline the word or post using a different color

Shut up Togg. I quoted the relevant part in my first post about you. Your behavior is certainly weird.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 12 hours 15 minutes remaining.

12 players still alive: (Demelain,Denul,Fanderay,Aparal Forge,Korlat,Merrid,Kessobahn,Emurlahn,Telas,Shadow,Togg,Kadagar Fant,Olar Ethil)

7 votes to lynch. 7 votes to go night.

2 votes Togg (Korlat, Merrid)

2 votes Merrid (Togg, Kadagar Fant)

1 vote Olar Ethil (Kessobahn)

Players not voted: (Denul,Fanderay,Aparal Forge, Emurlahn,Telas,Shadow,Olar Ethil)

[Fanderay]

At present I like both Kessobahn's vote on Olar and Kadagar's vote on Merrid. Togg's vote is essentially an OMgus and Merrid's is look you mentioned this first.

[Olar Ethil]

Kessobahn, on 01 July 2016 - 09:35 AM, said:

Seriously? We're way into D3 already and pretty much all you've done was one driveby vote. It's been a confusing game so far but there's been role speculation, setup discussion, some accusations. How is oh I just didn't spot anything NOT a weak excuse?

CFs:
I have no clue about Buffy's lore so need to rely on what others say. So, characters CF'd so far were not actually humans/normal students? Or were they close enough for the CF to make sense? That's a longshot, but bear with my hungover self. Some people, myself included, assumed there must a recruiter for vampires or some other non-School faction. But what if School team has a recruiter too and they recruited Demelain N1? His slip and then being like sorry team I messed up would make more sense.

For realz seriously.

I see some speculating. I see little of anything concrete to comment on. With regard to CFs, I would assume until proven otherwise that they give us all the relevant information. Someone I think said that Harmony was actually a vampire in the show? Was that always the case, or were they at some point just a student?

I think your point about Demelain is interesting, but that also assumes that we have equal-sized factions to begin with, if School faction also had a recruiter. That's going against the grain of current speculation, as far as I'm aware.

And there ends my current speculation.


@Merrid: Rather than telling Togg to shut up, quote what you believe is the relevant point again, then we can move that discussion forward, see if Togg is indeed unfairly dismissing something you've raised, or if you're misreading something they said.

[Togg]

Merrid, on 01 July 2016 - 12:19 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 26 June 2016 - 11:13 PM, said:

2.3 - Bold Restrictions
The use of bold should be limited to voting. If you want to emphasize a players name or another word, you can underline the word or post using a different color

Shut up Togg. I quoted the relevant part in my first post about you. Your behavior is certainly weird.

Roughly as relevant as this one I guess?

[Togg]

Togg, on 01 July 2016 - 01:32 PM, said:

Merrid, on 01 July 2016 - 12:19 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 26 June 2016 - 11:13 PM, said:

2.3 - Bold Restrictions
The use of bold should be limited to voting. If you want to emphasize a players name or another word, you can underline the word or post using a different color

Shut up Togg. I quoted the relevant part in my first post about you. Your behavior is certainly weird.

Roughly as relevant as this one I guess?

By "this one" I mean your bold restrictions quote

[Fanderay]

When does the weekend break kick in?

[Path-Shaper]

Fanderay, on 01 July 2016 - 03:13 PM, said:

When does the weekend break kick in?

Day times out at 8pm PT. So either at timeout or if there is a lynch.

[Fanderay]

I'd like to see a CF before going into the freeze, with that in mind I'll back Kadagar's case up and

Vote Merrid

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 8 hours 43 minutes remaining.

12 players still alive: (Demelain,Denul,Fanderay,Aparal Forge,Korlat,Merrid,Kessobahn,Emurlahn,Telas,Shadow,Togg,Kadagar Fant,Olar Ethil)

7 votes to lynch. 7 votes to go night.

2 votes Togg (Korlat, Merrid)

3 votes Merrid (Togg, Kadagar Fant, Fanderay)

1 vote Olar Ethil (Kessobahn)

Players not voted: (Denul, Aparal Forge, Emurlahn,Telas,Shadow,Olar Ethil)

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 01 July 2016 - 04:18 PM

[Togg]

Merrid, on 01 July 2016 - 11:55 AM, said:

My whole reason for asking Togg questions was because he acted like there was ONE single recruiter, in a high TMDI faction game when we haven’t had any kills yet. That assumption sounds really weird to me. I believe it either means he had inside info regarding the recruit mechanic and he slipped, or he is trying to trick us, or he is just a bad player and assuming things he shouldn’t assume.


In all three cases everyone is better off if he is put under pressure.

Except that I don't act like that, actually one thing I find myself agreeing with you about is that'd be weird assumption. So none of the shit you believe makes any sense

Merrid, on 01 July 2016 - 11:55 AM, said:

I put my vote on him not because I’m denying the existence of a vampire recruiter as you imply, but because I think he acts like he knows too much about the recruiter.

What exactly from what I REALLY(that means it's not merely inside your half-wit head, if you haven't understood that yet) said makes you think that?

All I've said was "I think this guy from the scene PS just posted is recruiter", which is by the way the easiest thing to confirm/deny for someone who have watched the show

I've also made the weakest case on the guess that Dem was recruiter, and that I thought Colt would be inclined to recruit you if he was. I won't pretend that was helpful case or that I'm being helpful townie by barking at you consistently, my play is shit and my cases are shit because I haven't got a single fucking concrete lead

So, all of your reasons to vote me are based on imaginary bullshit, do you consider that good play as a member of any faction?

I've stopped believeing it could be simple misreadings because you're so fucking stubborn about it