[Maark Abbott]

Gorefest, on 27 November 2018 - 03:10 PM, said:

Got my Settled Status through today, for what it is worth. I now officially have indefinite leave to stay in the UK. Until Brexit goes tits up and the paper is worthless, of course.

Bumpstocks means Burp things.

[Maark Abbott]

Chancellor confirms that Britain will be poorer in any Brexit situation, Leave voters surprised and angry.

In related news, scientists have discovered brain cells not requisite for human survival.

[Tiste Simeon]

Yes but did you notice it's now been rebranded as Project Hysteria? Can't call it project fear any more because they were right. Once again the goalposts move...

[Gorefest]

For the life of me I cannot get my head around why anyone would ever have thought that you would benefit economically from leaving the EU. You are going from being an integral part of a large bloc with joint negotiating power and no internal trade barriers to one nation with no existing trade agreements and a relatively small market, surrounded by water on all sides. Even a 3-year old can figure out that you are never going to get as good an economical deal as within the EU. But it was never really about that, it was supposedly about taking back autonomy. So why are the Brexiteers suddenly falling over each other to condemn these obvious findings? It is madness. It was never the Brexit goal to begin with. Jesus wept.

This post has been edited by Gorefest: 29 November 2018 - 11:06 AM

[TheRetiredBridgeburner]

Gorefest, on 29 November 2018 - 11:06 AM, said:

For the life of me I cannot get my head around why anyone would ever have thought ...

They didn't think, that's the problem. Cameron never thought Leave would win and he thought offering the referendum wouldn't change anything... then it did and nobody had thought it through at all. Couple that with a fair whack of the population hearing nothing more than the anti-EU equivalent of "Make Great Britain great again" and this is where we are.

I'd happily watch the lot of them burn (figuratively) except for the fact they're going to take the rest of us down with them.

This post has been edited by TheRetiredBridgeburner: 29 November 2018 - 01:58 PM

[Maark Abbott]

TheRetiredBridgeburner, on 29 November 2018 - 01:58 PM, said:

Gorefest, on 29 November 2018 - 11:06 AM, said:

For the life of me I cannot get my head around why anyone would ever have thought ...

They didn't think, that's the problem. Cameron never thought Leave would win and he thought offering the referendum wouldn't change anything... then it did and nobody had thought it through at all. Couple that with a fair whack of the population hearing nothing more than the anti-EU equivalent of "Make Great Britain great again" and this is where we are.

I'd happily watch the lot of them burn (figuratively) except for the fact they're going to take the rest of us down with them.

Really, it boiled down to sunburned, shirtless Stella swiggers having a way to show how much they don't like brown people and how much they love "tekken are crunchy back".

[Cause]

Still don't understand why no one has managed to get a second referendum. Do we have polls that indicate support? Do most people still want to leave?

[TheRetiredBridgeburner]

Cause, on 03 December 2018 - 10:38 AM, said:

Still don't understand why no one has managed to get a second referendum. Do we have polls that indicate support? Do most people still want to leave?

It isn't the case, because a second referendum would be armed with the knowledge of what a deal might mean, but I think it would be painted as "So every time we don't like a decision, we have another referendum about it and keep doing it until we get the result we want?"

It was mishandled and now we're stuck with it I think. Why they didn't use the guideline 55%> suggested in the process itself I'll never know, but now everyone's paying for the decision to make it a majority vote.

[Maark Abbott]

TheRetiredBridgeburner, on 03 December 2018 - 12:41 PM, said:

Cause, on 03 December 2018 - 10:38 AM, said:

Still don't understand why no one has managed to get a second referendum. Do we have polls that indicate support? Do most people still want to leave?

It isn't the case, because a second referendum would be armed with the knowledge of what a deal might mean, but I think it would be painted as "So every time we don't like a decision, we have another referendum about it and keep doing it until we get the result we want?"

It was mishandled and now we're stuck with it I think. Why they didn't use the guideline 55%> suggested in the process itself I'll never know, but now everyone's paying for the decision to make it a majority vote.

I'd argue it's more the case because remaining means being subject to the new EU tax regs - which the Tories obviously don't want. Plus this gives them as good a chance as any to strip away workers' rights etc.

[TheRetiredBridgeburner]

Yeah, I get that - I was just quoting what I've heard plenty of people say in response to the idea of a second referendum. "Remain don't like it so they want another vote until it comes back Remain". etc ad nauseum.

I honestly don't know that a second referendum would change the result anyway if I'm honest. I don't think enough has happened to change the minds of most.

This post has been edited by TheRetiredBridgeburner: 03 December 2018 - 02:36 PM

[Maark Abbott]

TheRetiredBridgeburner, on 03 December 2018 - 02:36 PM, said:

Yeah, I get that - I was just quoting what I've heard plenty of people say in response to the idea of a second referendum. "Remain don't like it so they want another vote until it comes back Remain". etc ad nauseum.

I honestly don't know that a second referendum would change the result anyway if I'm honest. I don't think enough has happened to change the minds of most.

I personally link it to the rise of the right wing - it's the Trump phenomenon. As soon as clowns like Farage and Yaxley-Lennon are given a platform, the worms start coming out of the soil.

Also, what's truly ironic is that had remain won, you can bet your ass that the right wing would be howling for a second referendum, or that the fact it was 51/49 means that the result wasn't valid.

[Macros]

ironic or just downright depressing?

[Tiste Simeon]

Macros, on 04 December 2018 - 08:21 AM, said:

ironic or just downright depressing?

Why not both?

[Gorefest]

If anything, that lists needs more adjectives. And I'd throw in some expletives as well.

[Vengeance]

The EU advocate just ruled that the UK can unilaterally revoke the article 50 letter with out EU approval.

https://www.theguard...cj-adviser-says

[Gorefest]

Not going to happen.

[Vengeance]

Gorefest, on 04 December 2018 - 04:48 PM, said:

Not going to happen.

Doesn't matter if it will or not. But now you could. Until this ruling it would have taken the remaining EU member states to vote on allowing you back in.

[EmperorMagus]

Three UK ministers are officially in contempt of Parliament.

I love that it's even possible for this to happen.

[Tiste Simeon]

Theresa May has had a terrible day and while I kind of hope this means the Tories don't get into power for a very long time it seems no matter what happens they're going to push forward with this disaster. Even if parliament defeats get proposal next week. "Will of the People" yeah right.

[Tapper]

Tiste Simeon, on 05 December 2018 - 07:15 AM, said:

Theresa May has had a terrible day and while I kind of hope this means the Tories don't get into power for a very long time it seems no matter what happens they're going to push forward with this disaster. Even if parliament defeats get proposal next week. "Will of the People" yeah right.

Given Corbyn's clear Brexit sympathies, only details would shift if he'd have to (re)negotiate it.
I do think that Labour is long-term better for the UK, but imho staying in under the Tories would likely still be better than leaving under Labour.