[HiddenOne]

Dhenrabi, on 27 April 2016 - 03:49 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 27 April 2016 - 03:34 PM, said:

Dhenrabi, on 27 April 2016 - 03:14 PM, said:

vote lynch nom


He's not the target I would choose (Bubba/Coltaine) but I do want a lynch and he has been rather shifty.

Heh, if Nom turns up scum, and you jumped on that train long after Nom had already reached the required number of votes for a lynch, and indeed two hours after day would have ended anyway, I would say that will look pretty shifty, especially if you then try and play the noob card to explain it, knowing that you're not actually new to mafia elsewhere.

You argue that I am not new to mafia, but you do assume that I'm inexperienced enough at this game that I would drop in a last-minute vote on a teammate to gain town cred. Not sure how these points go together. If I was scum wouldn't I at the very least pretend he was a top suspect of mine as well?

I was honestly not aware about the current vote standings, since I rushed through the thread realizing I was late. You'll notice I asked about the lynch procedure not long before that and decided to support the Nom vote based on the answer.

A Demon Llama!, on 27 April 2016 - 03:35 PM, said:

Dhenrabi. Nom already got lynched and we are awaiting the resolution. Unless you are pretending and making it seem like you're in with the team. But since youre new I will give benefit of the doubt, specially if Nom turns out to be a Townie.

I didn't catch that the votes were locked (are they even?) and I wasn't sure about the actual state of affairs in the numbers department.

Does anybody see the need to talk about this?

[Lady Bliss]

HiddenOne, on 28 April 2016 - 02:32 PM, said:

Dhenrabi, on 27 April 2016 - 03:49 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 27 April 2016 - 03:34 PM, said:

Dhenrabi, on 27 April 2016 - 03:14 PM, said:

vote lynch nom


He's not the target I would choose (Bubba/Coltaine) but I do want a lynch and he has been rather shifty.

Heh, if Nom turns up scum, and you jumped on that train long after Nom had already reached the required number of votes for a lynch, and indeed two hours after day would have ended anyway, I would say that will look pretty shifty, especially if you then try and play the noob card to explain it, knowing that you're not actually new to mafia elsewhere.

You argue that I am not new to mafia, but you do assume that I'm inexperienced enough at this game that I would drop in a last-minute vote on a teammate to gain town cred. Not sure how these points go together. If I was scum wouldn't I at the very least pretend he was a top suspect of mine as well?

I was honestly not aware about the current vote standings, since I rushed through the thread realizing I was late. You'll notice I asked about the lynch procedure not long before that and decided to support the Nom vote based on the answer.

A Demon Llama!, on 27 April 2016 - 03:35 PM, said:

Dhenrabi. Nom already got lynched and we are awaiting the resolution. Unless you are pretending and making it seem like you're in with the team. But since youre new I will give benefit of the doubt, specially if Nom turns out to be a Townie.

I didn't catch that the votes were locked (are they even?) and I wasn't sure about the actual state of affairs in the numbers department.

Does anybody see the need to talk about this?

What are your thoughts?

[Tattersail_]

Looking at that time I'm going to be in bed at 6am and miss the last 8 hours of this game day. So if you have a better option than Khell then let me know in the next 8 hours.

I do have a baby though so can wake up at an ungodly hour to change my vote if needed.

[HiddenOne]

Coltaine93, on 27 April 2016 - 07:20 PM, said:

Bubba, on 27 April 2016 - 07:03 PM, said:

Well that sucks 3RI gone

The lynch? Day one is all I can say about that. Everyone is looking at the train, I'm more interested in who wasn't on it. The best hiding place on a train is never getting on in the first place.

Mess? Grudge killing? taking out the helpful players? I'm willing to bet Mess was high up on a few lists.

Sergiej? Who said we should kill/lynch the new players? I remember reading that. Kell?

We have on kill from the killers and one from the vig. Propably. Can a vig also be part of the scum?
Assumption: Vig is from the town
So we have to take for both kills into account why the killers wanted to see them dead and why the vig could have thought that they are killers. If the vig is one of us we could lose another town member by killing him.

I would guess that Mess was killed by the killers, maybe for being to helpful, or being to good as a player.

And Sergiej had good posts. But I can't find a reason for someone to think he was part of the scum. So maybe reverse? Sergiej killed by killers and Mess by vig? Sergiej voted against Gust Hubb. Can't remember why. I will search the post.

Something about this post I dislike.

[Lady Bliss]

Well HO, when you figure out what's bothering you, please share. On the Denrabi late vote post, I would have thought it suspicious if Nom CFd scum, but since he turned up town it looks more like he didn't know the time.

[HiddenOne]

Post #410 - Kitsu said Serge could have been killed because of the comment "Scum love lists"

This doesn't make sense to me, but Coltaine seemed to follow him in comprehension. Someone please explain.


@LB - I think it was pointless WIFOM, but the back & forth between Khell & Dhenrabi petered out. I am assuming that Khell was just prodding and let it go. I don't feel that Dhenrai was building a false legitimacy, but instead was just not caught up in sync with the thread. I have made that mistake a few times trying to get in a last minute vote. But to be fair, it is scummy to some people.

[HiddenOne]

Andorion, on 28 April 2016 - 01:04 AM, said:

Coltaine93, on 27 April 2016 - 07:20 PM, said:

Bubba, on 27 April 2016 - 07:03 PM, said:

Well that sucks 3RI gone

The lynch? Day one is all I can say about that. Everyone is looking at the train, I'm more interested in who wasn't on it. The best hiding place on a train is never getting on in the first place.

Mess? Grudge killing? taking out the helpful players? I'm willing to bet Mess was high up on a few lists.

Sergiej? Who said we should kill/lynch the new players? I remember reading that. Kell?

We have on kill from the killers and one from the vig. Propably. Can a vig also be part of the scum?
Assumption: Vig is from the town
So we have to take for both kills into account why the killers wanted to see them dead and why the vig could have thought that they are killers. If the vig is one of us we could lose another town member by killing him.

I would guess that Mess was killed by the killers, maybe for being to helpful, or being to good as a player.

And Sergiej had good posts. But I can't find a reason for someone to think he was part of the scum. So maybe reverse? Sergiej killed by killers and Mess by vig? Sergiej voted against Gust Hubb. Can't remember why. I will search the post.

Blend, on 27 April 2016 - 08:22 PM, said:

Curse you new players! I don't remember which one of you it was, or if it was more than one of you even, but one of the new players at least was making some very good arguments yesterday - if that player was Sergiej, that could very well be the reason he was killed.

One thing, though - everyone is assuming a Vig - I was about to say it could be a Faceless Man, but that's not possible without playing in game alts...

So other things it COULD be is a Serial Killer, though usually a SK is announced in the OP.

Guess it's not a stretch that there's a vig in game. If that's the case, I'd say that Messremb was likely the vig's target. I know that if I had gotten the vig role, I probably couldn't have resisted from killing off Mess.

Serg got taken out because he was being helpful and insightful. Seems pretty clear.

Mess.... to be honest I thought Mess was a Symp. After his defence of HO I was 60% sure. If there is a Town Vig and this is a big If, it could be an independent, then they may have thought Mess to be scum as well

Oh, are you saying that you killed him because he was too smart for his own good?

Regarding Mess, I wondered at the time why he was backing me up. I appreciated it, but it could have been taken as either symping or fake symping. It's risky to defend someone.

[Andorion]

Finally back. Reading up

[HiddenOne]

Gust Hubb, on 28 April 2016 - 03:23 AM, said:

Andorion, on 28 April 2016 - 03:21 AM, said:

Just Plain Kitsu, on 28 April 2016 - 03:09 AM, said:

I'm curious to see if he responds to this one Ando, since he ignored me both times that I've pointed out this behavior previously. I'd also like to point out that in the post where he voted Tatts, he mentioned he did it because he doesn't like people being helpful to newbies. Dislike of newbies + death of Sierg? Weak, I know. But it's still something to think on.

At this stage we can't afford to narrow down our thoughts and actions yet. If he hated being helpful to newbies, why was he silent on Mess? That was half of what Mess was doing.

A little busy, but I want to list out Lady Bliss, Khell and HO as well. After that we can see if we can't find a pattern.

Also irritatingly enough, the NK on Mess does not tell us much. Any veteran would be uncomfortable with Mess as he is devious. I thought he was scum as he was being so nice. I kept quiet and had planned to keep a sharp eye on him for Day 2.

As a counter, if the killer is a newbie, he might want to take out this vocal player who is everywhere

So the kill could have come from Town or Scum. On the other Serg's kill is more interesting. I don't think anybody would take "Scum likes lists" seriously enough to kill, but maybe the list caught something?

Serg has to be the scum kill. It is a classic throw the thread into confusion. Was it his vote on Gust? Was it his newb status and thus a target for the haters? Did someone see danger in his thought processes?

Just a thought, but what if Tapper killed him? That would be an interesting distancing approach, no?

This is odd. GH refers to himself in the third person, then throws shade on Tapper. Why him? I would like this to be explained.

[Tapper]

I am going to

Vote Tattersail.

Sorry for the absence guys, it has been crazy.
That being said, on to a bit of content: the explanation for the vote above is that Tattersail has applying super glue instead of proper means of construction to his own suspicions/arguments. Yeah, a flimsy thing can stick, but I prefer proper nuts and bolts. It seems he is determined to lead a discussion and judge what are good or bad decisions (or town play), now also in hindsight.

The vote on Khell is the latest and most blatant of the bunch. Am I falling for the old issue where Tattersail is scummy no matter what? Maybe. I really think it might be a possibility and him being a towny. Tatts can change styles on the fly, and as far as meta goes, those playstyles can be either scum or town. On the other hand, I do get the idea he's once again building smoke screens by flitting from one person to the next with a bunch of post its containing 'scummy' 'not scummy' 'soooo scummy'.

[Andorion]

Tattersail_, on 28 April 2016 - 01:11 PM, said:

...

So both Macros and Khell with leading points, that actually get us to post/comment on, that they then use in future arguments to paint us as scummy!!!

Now, this is the point where I started looking into Gust Hubb because in my PM's I was thinking of him as town but I wanted to see what he played like as scum, so I went and checked those games and i've got good data on him for use later on.


I haven't went much further than that this game day, but so far I'm looking at both Macros and Khell for subtly directing the thread. Both of these two players are the ones with unasked for excuses throughout the game too, as examples;

Macros, on 26 April 2016 - 12:00 PM, said:

This has been a very active day so far, Im hoping the phone signal is as good at my next port of call.

Tatts, mess and andiron are firing posts out like crazy. Overall content has been either helping newbies and quoting stuff, wall o'quote text blocks that I habitually scan and what I read as a "NO YOU!!" Match between tatts and andiron.

Realistically a meaning post from me at this juncture of the game is laptop material, which will be after work.

Khellendros, on 26 April 2016 - 12:01 PM, said:

I've got a bit of a work emergency today guys, but hopefully will be around in the evening.

Macros, on 26 April 2016 - 04:48 PM, said:

Toilet bowl throwing, ah you crazy Dutch, what ever will you think of next?



Catching up after work. have been dipping in an out but reading wall of texts on the phone is a pain in the balls

Khellendros, on 26 April 2016 - 09:32 PM, said:

Finally done and ready to engage for realsies! Let me read up the impressive number of pages and then state some super important and relevant things which surely no one has already mentioned...ish.

Macros, on 26 April 2016 - 07:31 PM, said:

Watching match, good post by Sergei though!
Will take another look at nom and co when I get home

Macros, on 27 April 2016 - 06:01 AM, said:

Morning, not much seems to have changed on my quick poop glance.

Will have a ball of time at work this morning

Macros, on 27 April 2016 - 12:36 PM, said:

woohoo, have an excuse to get the laptop out at work to type up a few certs, and this site is in a 4G area!

going to do a quick reread of things I tried to skim through on my phone, from what I've gathered theres a train on Nom, but we've 2 hours left. if needed I will swap, but I really like my tatts vote, would also switch to HO if that gains any more traction

Macros, on 27 April 2016 - 06:04 PM, said:

well shit, not overly surprised that itwasn'tnom (will rep for that post game demon lhama, groan worthy ounnage that it was).

Am wrapping up at this job here now, the next site I know has no signal, but should only (hopefully) be there for an hour or two, should be able to sit down with the laptop by 10pm the latest this evening

Macros, on 27 April 2016 - 09:18 PM, said:

home from work but have a shit ton of stuff to get typed up, will endevour to get a proper post made before going to bed

Macros, on 27 April 2016 - 10:21 PM, said:

nah, i'm going to bed, shattered

Macros, on 28 April 2016 - 05:47 AM, said:

Im up, will have tike this morning to sit down tonlaptop before heading to work

Khellendros, on 28 April 2016 - 07:16 AM, said:

Here and reading up.

Khellendros, on 28 April 2016 - 08:01 AM, said:

Okay, I need to do more reading up on a few people, but I wanted to say that I find it a little odd that people with fewer posts than me are saying I've been quiet. I've been as active as I normally am, barring that first RL day when I had some other things going on. In fact, I've still managed to be in the top 4 or 5 posters If you're intimating that I'm usually an even higher poster than sorry, but you're wrong. Me being among the very top posters is usually a result of surviving deep into the game rather than being a spambot - think about last game, for example.


In any case, I have more of an issue with the current discussion of what HAS to be the scum kill, or what HAS to be the vig kill. There's simply no way to know from the thread with any real degree of certainty, and the rigid conclusions that a couple of people seem to be drawing on the intentions behind the kills is not something I think is particularly helpful at this stage, without more information. Hell, how do we know that it's not two independent killers rather than scum and vig?! No, I do not think that's likely, but my point is we can't be sure of anything from one night's worth of results. The vote train and the lead up to the lynch is what I'll be focusing on then.

There was something else I wanted to reply to but I've forgotten what it is.

This post is extremely inaccurate and misleading. If you are going to list people giving RL excuses you need to include Tapper and Dhenrabi and their European festival. In fact Macros' toilet comment was connected to that and certainly not an excuse for him

[Andorion]

Khellendros, on 28 April 2016 - 12:06 PM, said:

Votes HO, makes sure to note that it was inspired by someone else, Siergiej.

Tattersail_, on 27 April 2016 - 08:51 AM, said:

Remove vote


Finished my read up, i'm leaning towards voting for HO, thanks to Sergei's case but also the way HO comes onto the thread, quotes a few people, votes Andorion, says he's finished his DKT style catch up

HiddenOne, on 26 April 2016 - 02:29 PM, said:

DKT style catch up^TM is complete, so back to work - I'm out of time to slack off

Yet he added no content, replied to a few quotes with cheeky one liners, and hurtfully didn't mention me once. Sounds bitchy doesn't it, but if you look, Andorion, Messremb, Tapper, Macros, Dhenrabi, had all mentioned me, quoted me and I'd been voted. He doesn't mention Ando's 2 votes on him, nothing mentioned by HO just a little vote on Ando which puts him number 3 on the train. He mentions Macros talking about Ando and mechanics but doesn't mention me talking about them.

Skating by as usual.

Vote HO

"It's not my case, it's Siergiej's!" That's quite revealing, I think. Almost a, 'if we do end up lynching HO, and he turns up town, make sure to blame Siergiej, not me!'.

Tattersail_, on 27 April 2016 - 10:09 AM, said:

Messremb, on 27 April 2016 - 10:02 AM, said:

Tattersail_, on 27 April 2016 - 09:54 AM, said:

Tattersail_, on 27 April 2016 - 09:54 AM, said:

HiddenOne, on 26 April 2016 - 02:29 PM, said:

DKT style catch up^TM is complete, so back to work - I'm out of time to slack off

Yet he added no content, replied to a few quotes with cheeky one liners, and hurtfully didn't mention me once. Sounds bitchy doesn't it, but if you look, Andorion, Messremb, Tapper, Macros, Dhenrabi, had all mentioned me, quoted me and I'd been voted. He doesn't mention Ando's 2 votes on him, nothing mentioned by HO just a little vote on Ando which puts him number 3 on the train. He mentions Macros talking about Ando and mechanics but doesn't mention me talking about them.

Skating by as usual.

Vote HO

Plus what I said earlier, and turned it into that little one liner?

Are you trying to weaken my vote of him?

"Skating by as usual" seeks to imply that he is playing in normal fashion. "Normally" a player is Town as that is the most common role. Even with the full quote you weren't saying he looked heavily invested, it just added to the implied view - no content, one liners. That's generally HO He's got so much invested I tihnk you need to find it Tatts.

I don't think the case can take much weakening as it is hardly there to begin with

But it's not my case is it? It is Sergei's case, and I'm adding my own two cents to it.

After that, there's quite a number of posts between Messremb and Tattersail regarding the merits of voting for HO. It goes on for quite a while, eventually ending when Mess puts his vote on Nom. Anyway, what I wanted to emphasise with this is Tatts' insistence in going for HO. This is then later joined with strident opposition to voting for Nom.

Tattersail_, on 27 April 2016 - 11:20 AM, said:

So after all that, you could have just voted Nom, or did that post. Basically you didn't like my vote on HO, and felt the need to defend him. At its core that's what just happened.

As outlined in the next couple of posts...

Tattersail_, on 27 April 2016 - 12:08 PM, said:

Gust Hubb, on 27 April 2016 - 12:04 PM, said:

So why not nom Tatts?

2 hours to go, i'll switch if needed but feel more comfortable with my vote where it is.

Tattersail_, on 27 April 2016 - 12:28 PM, said:

Gust Hubb, on 27 April 2016 - 12:11 PM, said:

That wasn't an answer

He's on 7 votes so far, i'd have thought it'd be more difficult to lynch a scum member. I already commented on Nom earlier on, you'll spot it in your reread.

So a few different things here, and at least two things I'm going to talk about now that I criticised others for doing earlier (yeah yeah, hypocrite!)

...In fact, I'm not going to talk about the second of those, which was going to be the kills. Thinking on it that's just way too much WIFOM.


First thing is the recruiter talk, which Tatts brings up first, not Mess. He's also the first to mention multiple kills, and is of the opinion that the unusual role is probably scum. Overall Tatts is quite interested in that particular role from the off.


So that jumped out at me. The other point that struck me is that, while Tatts is pretty keen on lynching HO, he's also equally keen to inform us that it's not his idea, but someone else's, and he's merely going along with it. So on the one hand he displays strong convictions about going for HO over Nom, but on the other ultimately it was someone else's idea if in the end HO is lynched but the result isn't scum.

Unless I am seriously mistaken, the first HO vote was Bubba's?

[Andorion]

So Tatts, if you were so intent on lynching HO yesterday, why haven't you tried today?

[Tattersail_]

Tapper you've done so well to discredit my posts labelling me as scum either earlier as symp or whatever that was above. I'm town so I don't know what I can do to convince you of that this game. I debated saying nothing at all this game day as there are 14 players alive and I see scumminess in most of them. Like yesterday no one found HO scummy like I did otherwise he'd have gathered more than 1 or 2 votes.

I mention Khell and macros today but so far no one has agreed with any of my observations.

I could just be vague like HO and say something about this post is off. Fucking astute.

You've got a small suspect pool for town Tapper. You're better than this.

[Tattersail_]

Andorion, on 28 April 2016 - 03:26 PM, said:

So Tatts, if you were so intent on lynching HO yesterday, why haven't you tried today?

If it wasn't good enough yesterday why will it be today?
All I can add to that is Mess seemingly defending him. Yet Mess wouldn't be as overt as that.

[Tattersail_]

Andorion, on 28 April 2016 - 03:22 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 28 April 2016 - 01:11 PM, said:

...

So both Macros and Khell with leading points, that actually get us to post/comment on, that they then use in future arguments to paint us as scummy!!!

Now, this is the point where I started looking into Gust Hubb because in my PM's I was thinking of him as town but I wanted to see what he played like as scum, so I went and checked those games and i've got good data on him for use later on.


I haven't went much further than that this game day, but so far I'm looking at both Macros and Khell for subtly directing the thread. Both of these two players are the ones with unasked for excuses throughout the game too, as examples;

Macros, on 26 April 2016 - 12:00 PM, said:

This has been a very active day so far, Im hoping the phone signal is as good at my next port of call.

Tatts, mess and andiron are firing posts out like crazy. Overall content has been either helping newbies and quoting stuff, wall o'quote text blocks that I habitually scan and what I read as a "NO YOU!!" Match between tatts and andiron.

Realistically a meaning post from me at this juncture of the game is laptop material, which will be after work.

Khellendros, on 26 April 2016 - 12:01 PM, said:

I've got a bit of a work emergency today guys, but hopefully will be around in the evening.

Macros, on 26 April 2016 - 04:48 PM, said:

Toilet bowl throwing, ah you crazy Dutch, what ever will you think of next?



Catching up after work. have been dipping in an out but reading wall of texts on the phone is a pain in the balls

Khellendros, on 26 April 2016 - 09:32 PM, said:

Finally done and ready to engage for realsies! Let me read up the impressive number of pages and then state some super important and relevant things which surely no one has already mentioned...ish.

Macros, on 26 April 2016 - 07:31 PM, said:

Watching match, good post by Sergei though!
Will take another look at nom and co when I get home

Macros, on 27 April 2016 - 06:01 AM, said:

Morning, not much seems to have changed on my quick poop glance.

Will have a ball of time at work this morning

Macros, on 27 April 2016 - 12:36 PM, said:

woohoo, have an excuse to get the laptop out at work to type up a few certs, and this site is in a 4G area!

going to do a quick reread of things I tried to skim through on my phone, from what I've gathered theres a train on Nom, but we've 2 hours left. if needed I will swap, but I really like my tatts vote, would also switch to HO if that gains any more traction

Macros, on 27 April 2016 - 06:04 PM, said:

well shit, not overly surprised that itwasn'tnom (will rep for that post game demon lhama, groan worthy ounnage that it was).

Am wrapping up at this job here now, the next site I know has no signal, but should only (hopefully) be there for an hour or two, should be able to sit down with the laptop by 10pm the latest this evening

Macros, on 27 April 2016 - 09:18 PM, said:

home from work but have a shit ton of stuff to get typed up, will endevour to get a proper post made before going to bed

Macros, on 27 April 2016 - 10:21 PM, said:

nah, i'm going to bed, shattered

Macros, on 28 April 2016 - 05:47 AM, said:

Im up, will have tike this morning to sit down tonlaptop before heading to work

Khellendros, on 28 April 2016 - 07:16 AM, said:

Here and reading up.

Khellendros, on 28 April 2016 - 08:01 AM, said:

Okay, I need to do more reading up on a few people, but I wanted to say that I find it a little odd that people with fewer posts than me are saying I've been quiet. I've been as active as I normally am, barring that first RL day when I had some other things going on. In fact, I've still managed to be in the top 4 or 5 posters If you're intimating that I'm usually an even higher poster than sorry, but you're wrong. Me being among the very top posters is usually a result of surviving deep into the game rather than being a spambot - think about last game, for example.


In any case, I have more of an issue with the current discussion of what HAS to be the scum kill, or what HAS to be the vig kill. There's simply no way to know from the thread with any real degree of certainty, and the rigid conclusions that a couple of people seem to be drawing on the intentions behind the kills is not something I think is particularly helpful at this stage, without more information. Hell, how do we know that it's not two independent killers rather than scum and vig?! No, I do not think that's likely, but my point is we can't be sure of anything from one night's worth of results. The vote train and the lead up to the lynch is what I'll be focusing on then.

There was something else I wanted to reply to but I've forgotten what it is.

This post is extremely inaccurate and misleading. If you are going to list people giving RL excuses you need to include Tapper and Dhenrabi and their European festival. In fact Macros' toilet comment was connected to that and certainly not an excuse for him

How so? I quoted them doing it on multiple occasions.

[Gust Hubb]

HiddenOne, on 28 April 2016 - 03:03 PM, said:

Andorion, on 28 April 2016 - 01:04 AM, said:

Coltaine93, on 27 April 2016 - 07:20 PM, said:

Bubba, on 27 April 2016 - 07:03 PM, said:

Well that sucks 3RI gone

The lynch? Day one is all I can say about that. Everyone is looking at the train, I'm more interested in who wasn't on it. The best hiding place on a train is never getting on in the first place.

Mess? Grudge killing? taking out the helpful players? I'm willing to bet Mess was high up on a few lists.

Sergiej? Who said we should kill/lynch the new players? I remember reading that. Kell?

We have on kill from the killers and one from the vig. Propably. Can a vig also be part of the scum?
Assumption: Vig is from the town
So we have to take for both kills into account why the killers wanted to see them dead and why the vig could have thought that they are killers. If the vig is one of us we could lose another town member by killing him.

I would guess that Mess was killed by the killers, maybe for being to helpful, or being to good as a player.

And Sergiej had good posts. But I can't find a reason for someone to think he was part of the scum. So maybe reverse? Sergiej killed by killers and Mess by vig? Sergiej voted against Gust Hubb. Can't remember why. I will search the post.

Blend, on 27 April 2016 - 08:22 PM, said:

Curse you new players! I don't remember which one of you it was, or if it was more than one of you even, but one of the new players at least was making some very good arguments yesterday - if that player was Sergiej, that could very well be the reason he was killed.

One thing, though - everyone is assuming a Vig - I was about to say it could be a Faceless Man, but that's not possible without playing in game alts...

So other things it COULD be is a Serial Killer, though usually a SK is announced in the OP.

Guess it's not a stretch that there's a vig in game. If that's the case, I'd say that Messremb was likely the vig's target. I know that if I had gotten the vig role, I probably couldn't have resisted from killing off Mess.

Serg got taken out because he was being helpful and insightful. Seems pretty clear.

Mess.... to be honest I thought Mess was a Symp. After his defence of HO I was 60% sure. If there is a Town Vig and this is a big If, it could be an independent, then they may have thought Mess to be scum as well

Oh, are you saying that you killed him because he was too smart for his own good?

Regarding Mess, I wondered at the time why he was backing me up. I appreciated it, but it could have been taken as either symping or fake symping. It's risky to defend someone.

Yeah that bothered me too. I feel like if there were any newb to be taken out, it would be Dhennarbi, especially because of his credentials. I was surprised he didn't go down actually, especially with Bubba joke voting him. Perfect setup for a classic misdirection.

[Coltaine -]

Back again. Reading up now

[Tapper]

Tattersail_, on 28 April 2016 - 03:38 PM, said:

Tapper you've done so well to discredit my posts labelling me as scum either earlier as symp or whatever that was above. I'm town so I don't know what I can do to convince you of that this game. I debated saying nothing at all this game day as there are 14 players alive and I see scumminess in most of them. Like yesterday no one found HO scummy like I did otherwise he'd have gathered more than 1 or 2 votes.

I mention Khell and macros today but so far no one has agreed with any of my observations.

I could just be vague like HO and say something about this post is off. Fucking astute.

You've got a small suspect pool for town Tapper. You're better than this.

No, I just don't have a read on many people.
As for targeting one person 'exclusively', that partly is because you are everywhere, and then it is easy to set off alarm bells. Especially when you go against Khell today for what I can only call good but unfortunate town play. Why do you want Khell specifically gone?

[Gust Hubb]

HiddenOne, on 28 April 2016 - 03:18 PM, said:

Gust Hubb, on 28 April 2016 - 03:23 AM, said:

Andorion, on 28 April 2016 - 03:21 AM, said:

Just Plain Kitsu, on 28 April 2016 - 03:09 AM, said:

I'm curious to see if he responds to this one Ando, since he ignored me both times that I've pointed out this behavior previously. I'd also like to point out that in the post where he voted Tatts, he mentioned he did it because he doesn't like people being helpful to newbies. Dislike of newbies + death of Sierg? Weak, I know. But it's still something to think on.

At this stage we can't afford to narrow down our thoughts and actions yet. If he hated being helpful to newbies, why was he silent on Mess? That was half of what Mess was doing.

A little busy, but I want to list out Lady Bliss, Khell and HO as well. After that we can see if we can't find a pattern.

Also irritatingly enough, the NK on Mess does not tell us much. Any veteran would be uncomfortable with Mess as he is devious. I thought he was scum as he was being so nice. I kept quiet and had planned to keep a sharp eye on him for Day 2.

As a counter, if the killer is a newbie, he might want to take out this vocal player who is everywhere

So the kill could have come from Town or Scum. On the other Serg's kill is more interesting. I don't think anybody would take "Scum likes lists" seriously enough to kill, but maybe the list caught something?

Serg has to be the scum kill. It is a classic throw the thread into confusion. Was it his vote on Gust? Was it his newb status and thus a target for the haters? Did someone see danger in his thought processes?

Just a thought, but what if Tapper killed him? That would be an interesting distancing approach, no?

This is odd. GH refers to himself in the third person, then throws shade on Tapper. Why him? I would like this to be explained.

Third person, just the way I wrote it (I guess I was imagining questions asked by everyone in general in which case I would be referred to in third person)

As for Tapper, it was just trying to look at angles for why serg was killed. Such speculation is often just useless Wifom, but it was a catchy thought and I wondered if looking at Tapper in that light would add any insights. As I said in the context of my other posts, I am looking for a handle on people.