[Dhenrabi]

Andorion, you're assuming that a lot of things are global in mafia that certainly aren't.

The closest we have to a symp on NF is a traitor, which works the other way around. Mafia know his identity, but he does not know mafia's. Mafia can choose to recruit him to become a formal team member at any point. Until this moment he will scan as town. Traitor is usually revealed as a traitor on death.

FM is a concept that I've never even heard of, but I think it's pretty cool. We don't play alted games on NF so it is practically impossible to implement a role like this.

Usually a majority isn't needed for a lynch either on NF. The person with the most votes gets lynched no matter what. Days and nights last a set amount of time and are only shortened if it is very clear no one is interested in talking anymore and they are willing to lock their votes. The only way to have a non-lynch is if it's voted as such (no lynch is an option which is separated from no vote).

Since those things are pretty much the meat and bone of your argument I don't think it holds much merit. I'm not pretending to be a newbie, I come from a place with different rulesets and different roles that are seen as 'standard knowledge'.

I went off the Tattersail wagon because it had gained so much steam too easily. I'm not sure why you are saying this is weird when I got onto the wagon as one of the first, especially since Tattersail defended himself in the meantime. The defense lessened my suspicion and I did not want to be part of a hammer I was not sure about while I was gone.

You also omitted a post I made from your overview, the one in which I withdrew the coltaine vote. This honestly looks like a deliberate omission since you are showcasing it as a complete exhibit of my behavior this game. Is this correct? Did you not think it of note?

[A Demon Llama!]

Hey guys. Sorry I'm MIA right now. Not gonna make excuses but hoping ill be able to contribute something useful in several hours once im back home.

[Andorion]

Dhenrabi, on 28 April 2016 - 05:47 PM, said:

Andorion, you're assuming that a lot of things are global in mafia that certainly aren't.

The closest we have to a symp on NF is a traitor, which works the other way around. Mafia know his identity, but he does not know mafia's. Mafia can choose to recruit him to become a formal team member at any point. Until this moment he will scan as town. Traitor is usually revealed as a traitor on death.

FM is a concept that I've never even heard of, but I think it's pretty cool. We don't play alted games on NF so it is practically impossible to implement a role like this.

Usually a majority isn't needed for a lynch either on NF. The person with the most votes gets lynched no matter what. Days and nights last a set amount of time and are only shortened if it is very clear no one is interested in talking anymore and they are willing to lock their votes. The only way to have a non-lynch is if it's voted as such (no lynch is an option which is separated from no vote).

Since those things are pretty much the meat and bone of your argument I don't think it holds much merit. I'm not pretending to be a newbie, I come from a place with different rulesets and different roles that are seen as 'standard knowledge'.

I went off the Tattersail wagon because it had gained so much steam too easily. I'm not sure why you are saying this is weird when I got onto the wagon as one of the first, especially since Tattersail defended himself in the meantime. The defense lessened my suspicion and I did not want to be part of a hammer I was not sure about while I was gone.

You also omitted a post I made from your overview, the one in which I withdrew the coltaine vote. This honestly looks like a deliberate omission since you are showcasing it as a complete exhibit of my behavior this game. Is this correct? Did you not think it of note?

OK I did not know about the mechanics difference. Consider that part withdrawn.

However I am concerned about your voting without stating a case or reason. It just seems arbitrary. Even when you would rather vote for Bubba you don't give a reason. This makes it impossible to understand how you are approaching the game and thus raises suspicions

[Macros]

Mr excuses here.
excuse for today's lack of posting - dun dun dun. I have a job, I work in construction, some days I have nothing to do but supervise and can sit and dick about on my phone all day, some days I am pinned and have to work 16+ hours. This is the final time I will be explaining this, and its a very polite "fuck you" to people trying to pull that out of their ass as an excuse to vote me.

I've been trying to keep an eye on the thread over my tea breaks and have just quickly caught up from where I left off earlier, from that, and from what I've been feeling on quick flip throughs all day - Bliss (I'm fairly sure it was bliss) and Tatts are reaching for rabbits but pulling bullshit out of their hats, trying to twist anything and everything to fit. Utter bullshit I might add, a nonsensical wall of quotes with a few lines then half arsing it into whatever theory they're currently vomiting over their keyboards.

outside of that, I am delighted to see someone else has finally called tatts on this nonsense.
theres another one, this might not have been tatts, but I'll go back to verify, saying that macros and khell were trying to thread direct, then pointing at trains and votes, of people that I never voted on, this baffled me, the sheer balls of it, and the level of arrogance involved in telling such a bare faced blatant lie is, I'll admit, impressive.
have 1/2 an hour here now and will read this day right through, then I gotta go away for an hour or two. Golf lesson, oh how the other half live!

[JPK]

Macros, on 28 April 2016 - 06:19 AM, said:

Just Plain Kitsu, on 27 April 2016 - 07:14 PM, said:

Andorion, on 27 April 2016 - 06:13 PM, said:

Damn I am way too tired to deal with this right now.

Khell started the train on Nom and Macros, Bliss and LB were in at the end. One of these could quite possibly be scum I guess?

I am going to bed. Maybe things will look better in the morning

I'm going to reference my earlier post and vote here. Macros helped start the Ando train, quickly jumped to the Tatter-Train, and vote-hopped at the end to help get Nom out. He's also a vet and that would make it reasonable for him to target either if the night kills. Mess cause we all know he's a strong player, or Sierg since he's a new unknown.

Just putting it out there for thought.

I hate to thank Tatts for anything, but this is a useful tool.

if this is you asking me about something, make it more pointed in my direction, its a vague hand wave in my direction after a one lined vote, why would I bother responding to this? I didn't help start the Ando train, thats bollocks, I posted one line saying I had my eye on him for early role speculation, then voted for Tatts for building on the role speculation in a manner I didnt like, whilst jumping on Andorion for role speculation.

Thanks for addressing this. I'm still not sold on you though. I'll also make it a point to be more pointed with questions in the future.

[JPK]

Bubba, on 28 April 2016 - 08:51 AM, said:

This is my normal amount of post per game day. I don't sit at a computer for work, so my post are generally before work and after work. I do try to keep up on my phone but that is a pain in the ass to post from. and yes people do read your posts.

I want to see how the day plays out a bit before making any cases.

I understand the on-your-get job aspect all too well. Stuck on mobile today myself. I was just under the impression you were usually more active. Or lynched by now, ya know.

[Dhenrabi]

Andorion, on 28 April 2016 - 05:55 PM, said:

Dhenrabi, on 28 April 2016 - 05:47 PM, said:

Andorion, you're assuming that a lot of things are global in mafia that certainly aren't.

The closest we have to a symp on NF is a traitor, which works the other way around. Mafia know his identity, but he does not know mafia's. Mafia can choose to recruit him to become a formal team member at any point. Until this moment he will scan as town. Traitor is usually revealed as a traitor on death.

FM is a concept that I've never even heard of, but I think it's pretty cool. We don't play alted games on NF so it is practically impossible to implement a role like this.

Usually a majority isn't needed for a lynch either on NF. The person with the most votes gets lynched no matter what. Days and nights last a set amount of time and are only shortened if it is very clear no one is interested in talking anymore and they are willing to lock their votes. The only way to have a non-lynch is if it's voted as such (no lynch is an option which is separated from no vote).

Since those things are pretty much the meat and bone of your argument I don't think it holds much merit. I'm not pretending to be a newbie, I come from a place with different rulesets and different roles that are seen as 'standard knowledge'.

I went off the Tattersail wagon because it had gained so much steam too easily. I'm not sure why you are saying this is weird when I got onto the wagon as one of the first, especially since Tattersail defended himself in the meantime. The defense lessened my suspicion and I did not want to be part of a hammer I was not sure about while I was gone.

You also omitted a post I made from your overview, the one in which I withdrew the coltaine vote. This honestly looks like a deliberate omission since you are showcasing it as a complete exhibit of my behavior this game. Is this correct? Did you not think it of note?

OK I did not know about the mechanics difference. Consider that part withdrawn.

However I am concerned about your voting without stating a case or reason. It just seems arbitrary. Even when you would rather vote for Bubba you don't give a reason. This makes it impossible to understand how you are approaching the game and thus raises suspicions

During those few posts, I was acting under significant time restraints which prevented me from elaborating on my feelings so far. The way I view it, it is still better to leave a vote and drop some names, even as only an incentive for other players to look into them on their own. On top of this, it exerts a minimum of pressure while not putting them in direct danger of being mislynched. I am aware that it looks like a possible form of blending but I don't really mind. I welcome others to engage with me not only because it gives me extra clues on those going after me, but also because I have simply nothing to hide and interaction can only show others the truth of this.

Like I explained earlier, I voted for Nom because I wanted to see a lynch and wasn't too sure about the exact numbers game. I really dislike no lynch on day one because it gives pretty much zero clues for the following day phase.

Would you mind still answering my last question from my last post?


I'm spell-checking a school assignment now and will be for a while, but I'll drop in later in the phase to give my thoughts on the game so far.

[Macros]

Tattersail_, on 28 April 2016 - 01:11 PM, said:

...

So both Macros and Khell with leading points, that actually get us to post/comment on, that they then use in future arguments to paint us as scummy!!!

Now, this is the point where I started looking into Gust Hubb because in my PM's I was thinking of him as town but I wanted to see what he played like as scum, so I went and checked those games and i've got good data on him for use later on.


I haven't went much further than that this game day, but so far I'm looking at both Macros and Khell for subtly directing the thread. Both of these two players are the ones with unasked for excuses throughout the game too, as examples;

just on my read through and this post right here tallies with my notes so much. (I cut out the wall of quotes, which are mostly from me and a few from khell.)

this is the bullshit I was talking about, please find my trying to thread direct anywhere, in any fucking game, it's something I don't do. I rarely step forward and really push for a lynch unless I'm really certain (invariably wrong) as I hate to be the one losing the game for us when a lynchee turns up RI. will continue my read through, but in my eyes Tatts is either playing the mouthy card and is a killer, or is a symp. Yes I went and said it, and you know what, I'll still support his lynch, and if he flips RI I'll even say it, I bet he was the symp.

Also taking a fancy to Lady B, as she's basically towing the party line with Tatts. Still would support an HO bandwagon, for the reason of contentless posting and using my name as a justification of a vote.

[Macros]

sorry, was wrong on bliss, will have to scan again to see who it was I was thinking off. Bliss was in my head for some reason, but its clearly not the tatts connection

[Lady Bliss]

Macros, on 28 April 2016 - 06:09 PM, said:

Mr excuses here.
excuse for today's lack of posting - dun dun dun. I have a job, I work in construction, some days I have nothing to do but supervise and can sit and dick about on my phone all day, some days I am pinned and have to work 16+ hours. This is the final time I will be explaining this, and its a very polite "fuck you" to people trying to pull that out of their ass as an excuse to vote me.

I've been trying to keep an eye on the thread over my tea breaks and have just quickly caught up from where I left off earlier, from that, and from what I've been feeling on quick flip throughs all day - Bliss (I'm fairly sure it was bliss) and Tatts are reaching for rabbits but pulling bullshit out of their hats, trying to twist anything and everything to fit. Utter bullshit I might add, a nonsensical wall of quotes with a few lines then half arsing it into whatever theory they're currently vomiting over their keyboards.

outside of that, I am delighted to see someone else has finally called tatts on this nonsense.
theres another one, this might not have been tatts, but I'll go back to verify, saying that macros and khell were trying to thread direct, then pointing at trains and votes, of people that I never voted on, this baffled me, the sheer balls of it, and the level of arrogance involved in telling such a bare faced blatant lie is, I'll admit, impressive.
have 1/2 an hour here now and will read this day right through, then I gotta go away for an hour or two. Golf lesson, oh how the other half live!

Nope, not me. About all I've had time for today is following the thread, although u did agree for one of Khell's points. There have been folks pointing at Tatts, HO and Gusty, but I need to do a proper read up tonight before I make any cases or decide to go along with one oc the ones proposed. You may bd thinking of HO as some people have questioned his case.

[Lady Bliss]

Macros, on 28 April 2016 - 06:43 PM, said:

sorry, was wrong on bliss, will have to scan again to see who it was I was thinking off. Bliss was in my head for some reason, but its clearly not the tatts connection

It's the boobs.

[Blend]

Just Plain Kitsu, on 28 April 2016 - 06:22 PM, said:

Or lynched by now, ya know.

[Gnaw]

It is day 2. 9 hours and 10 minutes remaining


14 players alive: ADemonLlama, Andorion, Blend, Bubba, Coltain93, Dhenrabi, Gust Hubb, HiddenOne, Just Plain Kitsu, Khellendros, Lady Bliss, Macros, Tapper, Tattersail

8 votes to lynch, 7 votes to night.

Votes:

1 vote for Khellendros (Tattersail)

1 vote for Tatts: Tapper,

1 vote HO: Andorion,


Players not voted: ADemonLlama, Blend, Bubba, Coltain93, Dhenrabi, Gust Hubb, HiddenOne, Just Plain Kitsu, Khellendros, Lady Bliss, Macros,

This post has been edited by Gnaw: 28 April 2016 - 08:39 PM

[Macros]

Turns out everything I thought was good about my swing was basically really bad.

I'm going to bed, will be up before end of day. For today, I will support the lynching of Tatts or HO.

I won't stand behind anyone elses cases,

Tatts - I've been suspicious of since the go basically, I feel he is scatter shotting, and reaching everywhere. His initial play was (in my head) an attempt to seem like a helpful guidance counsellor, picked at Andorion for role speculation (which I also did a bit) but he really picked at him,and keeps throwing my name out as the guy who waved at it, yes I noted it, you went to town on it, and it all felt like a handy way to say "well jeez Mac started it" if Ando was lynched and flips RI. just a general feeling about untownness, unhelpful helpfulness about him. If he is a symp, I have no idea who for, but I haven't really pulled his posts apart to see who he HASN't mentioned or poked at. But in theory, we shouldn't be able to.
Also, poking Tapper twice early to get his thoughts on Roles and set up, under the cover of Tapps being experienced balancer, bollocks, tatts knows plenty about game balance, just wanted to draw out a conversation on roles without seeming like it was him bloating the thread with info that doesn't benefit the town (unless it happened by chance to be 100% spot on)

HO, entirely too much of quoting a post, and saying "what do people think of this??" (paraphrase, but similar on several occasions) showing without the tell, looking like a contribution without the contribution, if someone responds and goes, "oh good point HO, nice catch" he can sit back and watch things develop, if it leads to an RI lynch, well, he only pointed it out, didn't make a case. That coupled with an awful lot of posts and quotes that really equal nothing at all but post count.


if something else gets put forth I will scan it over but I'm going to bed and this is my current position. Good night folks

[Macros]

Also, fuck Villareal

[Coltaine -]

Not much time left. And I'm still unsure.

I'm currently not thinking HOs Day 1 posts were not that suspicious in comparison, but his posts from today...
Asking what our thoughts are, disliking posts without saying why, offering no real content somehow.

Now I have him back on my list.



I'm also thinking about Gust. If Tatts post is correct.

Tattersail_, on 28 April 2016 - 11:55 AM, said:

The 2 games I found with Gust/Corv as scum were A Newb Game, and Mafia 80 - Benses IV.

Both games he was a high poster, more invested towards the end of day than the beginning. Both games he was late to the party day one, missing a bit of the idle chatter, and both games he voted early. Within 1 or 3 posts. As scum he likes to be on every lynch train. I remember towards end game he gets quite excited, and posts a lot more, and votes quickly. He can be persuasive but I know what to look out for.
He does not mind starting trains or hopping aboard them to get them flowing. He hammered fellow scum in the newb game.

Fun note, he actually likes to off people who accuse him, in the benses games he killed galayn lord night one who was one of the only people to suspect him.

What do the other veterans think?


And there are also Tatts, Khell and Macros. With Tatts big theory and his prime suspects pointing on him.


Too difficult currently to decide. I will set me an alarm and look again before day 2 is over.

[Khellendros]

Reading back through some posts.

Andorion, on 28 April 2016 - 02:45 AM, said:

Macros, on 26 April 2016 - 07:34 AM, said:

Andorion, on 26 April 2016 - 06:27 AM, said:

On the other hand, if its time to get serious,

M&P with one non standard role?

So, 1-2 killers, 1 symp, 1 healer/guard, and one town vig?

Thoughts, people?

Game mechanics speculation already?
I've got my eye on you Andorion!

Macros, on 26 April 2016 - 10:04 AM, said:

My my look at the hornets nest that got poked.

Personally I dislike role speculation, especially this early as it only plays into the scums hands.
And (it was andorion I don't think, will check) someone then followed up with something along the lines of 'well we need to get things straight early on'.
No we don't, anything assumed now is just that, an assumption, and playing a game out based on day one speculation is asking for trouble. This kind of talk just screams attempts at thread direction to me, which I really dislike. Going back to page one here to see if I can find the offending post. Maybe it was andorion, but I think it was someone else.

Early doors yet, but currently would vote for andorion or the other post Im going to hunt down. Probably wrong, as its overtly blatant but it could be a dump or a ballsy scum. Unlikely.

Macros, on 26 April 2016 - 10:10 AM, said:

Tattersail_, on 26 April 2016 - 07:22 AM, said:

Andorion, on 26 April 2016 - 06:27 AM, said:

On the other hand, if its time to get serious,

M&P with one non standard role?

So, 1-2 killers, 1 symp, 1 healer/guard, and one town vig?

Thoughts, people?

Usually town versus scum ratio is 3:1 so there's most certainly 2 scum with a symp. I want Tapper's opinion on the non standard role.

With there being a few new guys we best get on the same page day one.

There he is, mr 'oh so helpful to the newbies' Tattersail.
Congrats tatts, you just jumped to the head of the queue.

vote Tattersail

Whilst I don't like andoruons speculation, this little bit of subtle yet oh so helpful directioning floats my boat for a vote. And his happiness to lump suspicion on Andorion while doing exactly what he does just helps.

Also, will be mostly.playing from phone, expect typos galore, and alted seems to autocorrect to salted, and I get sick of fixing it so bear that in mind.

Macros out while he drives to next job

Macros, on 26 April 2016 - 12:00 PM, said:

This has been a very active day so far, Im hoping the phone signal is as good at my next port of call.

Tatts, mess and andiron are firing posts out like crazy. Overall content has been either helping newbies and quoting stuff, wall o'quote text blocks that I habitually scan and what I read as a "NO YOU!!" Match between tatts and andiron.

Realistically a meaning post from me at this juncture of the game is laptop material, which will be after work.

Macros, on 26 April 2016 - 04:56 PM, said:

It seems to be that usual melting pot of day one, the shit is circling around 2 players and I can see a reason for both lynching, and not lynching both players.

gah.

Tatts, seems to be honing in a little on Andorion now, as well as getting frustrated, I can easily view the frustration as genuine annoyance with fellow townies, or frustration that he's been caught out already over something minor.
Andorions actions can have the same flip coin as well, but Tatts almost dogged like pursuit of him is making me lean towards keeping my vote on Tatts for now. yes I am aware he has adressed the points I raised, and quite neatly as well, but its more gut feeling now than anything else. And we still have plenty of time.

Macros, on 26 April 2016 - 07:31 PM, said:

Watching match, good post by Sergei though!
Will take another look at nom and co when I get home

Macros, on 27 April 2016 - 06:01 AM, said:

Morning, not much seems to have changed on my quick poop glance.

Will have a ball of time at work this morning

Macros, on 27 April 2016 - 08:44 AM, said:

Have done a sort of reread,well up to page 3 properly then a skip through, have work to do.
That's page 3, at 40ppp, the way real mean read the forum.

My scribbled notes from the first 3 pages yielded me this.

If Andorion were silencer, Id vote for him right now for being too smooth. He calmly backtracks to aline his reasoning with other players, and happily joins in the light hearted banter where ever it appears, totally unflustered by attention he has garnered. But he's not, so I won't, for now.
My main beef with Andorion was post #27, with less than 50% of players even checked in, 'lets.get srs' and starts role speculation, pro town role speculation.
Then when Tatts follows up and says that we all want to be on the same page with game outline (paraphrased) And does a nice little semi reverse sidestep to aline with this a bit more. Not that it helps him, tatts still chases after And anyway.

Mess, had the early doors joke on Khell, and has been almost nauseatingly helpful, even pointing out to newbs who usually dies etc, potential set up for survivor framing?? (rampant speculation)

Tatts, ah tatts, still numero uno for me, and it nearly.all cycles back to that post on page one, 'lets get everyone on ehte same basic outline early doors (paraphrased) he backs up his suspicions of And by highlighting it was other players (me and khell) that were suspicious of And dorion, as if to say, see other guys picked it up.first, if we lynch him and he's town, well it was their fault (supposition by myself based on a purely theoretical chain of events)

And HO. I'll have to go back and find the post by HO that annoyed me, it jumped off the page at me there but tying to multiwiote and stuff on the phone is just a no, hence the stream of discombobulated thoughts.


TLDR - I am suspicious of several players for several reasons (it was nom, drive by vote on Andorion noted, page one hoping for a runaway bandwagon fueled by tatts, khell.and macros suspicions possibly? Further investigation required)
Notably Andorion, Tatts, Mess and HO.


Quick question, is there an easy way to see one players posts in the thread, like 'show me every post macros has made in this thread, only.macros' posts'?

Macros, on 27 April 2016 - 08:59 AM, said:

HiddenOne, on 26 April 2016 - 02:11 PM, said:

Macros, on 26 April 2016 - 07:34 AM, said:

Andorion, on 26 April 2016 - 06:27 AM, said:

On the other hand, if its time to get serious,

M&P with one non standard role?

So, 1-2 killers, 1 symp, 1 healer/guard, and one town vig?

Thoughts, people?

Game mechanics speculation already?
I've got my eye on you Andorion!

See, if Macros said it, it must be worth considering

It doesn't look like much, it may be nothing. But posts like this always tickle my balls. It really bugs me 'oo lookee, another player said this, I'll just.coast along in their shadow and not reason anything myself I might have to actually quantify'. Coupled with a dose of , well, its macros, he MUST know what he's talking about, completely disregarding the fact that Macros usually talks a lot of shit/ is drunk / a hesdy combination of the two.
It just looks like a lazy attempt to justify a handy vote. And ignores the fact that on the next page (after the quote of me) I actually voted Tatts rather than Andorion.

Its thin I'll grant you but it puts HO second on my list at the moment

Macros, on 27 April 2016 - 12:36 PM, said:

woohoo, have an excuse to get the laptop out at work to type up a few certs, and this site is in a 4G area!

going to do a quick reread of things I tried to skim through on my phone, from what I've gathered theres a train on Nom, but we've 2 hours left. if needed I will swap, but I really like my tatts vote, would also switch to HO if that gains any more traction

Macros, on 27 April 2016 - 01:28 PM, said:

I have the browser open in the background, will change in the interests of getting a lynch, if that's the go, but to be honest Nom hasn't been overly on my radar, he's noticable, and a few ropey posts, but as I've said already, I'd prefer a lynch on tatts/HO, hell probably Andorion, then Nom, he'd be a fourth choice for me. The problem is, well our collective play, if its a no lynch today, we all know how tomorrow will likely pan out, so in the interest of avoiding that, I will change vote cometh the hour

Macros, on 27 April 2016 - 01:29 PM, said:

blargh, cross post, Bliss said basically the same thing I was, we'll just rehash this tomorrow.

remove vote
vote Nom

So this is Macros.

He started off by calling me out, then switched to Tatts. Interesting thing is that in the middle he has a bunch of zero content posts which basically repeat the same thing.

He adds HO to his list quite late,

Before the vote on Nom he still wants to vote on Tatts or HO

So vote only for a lynch? Macros has given the appearance of somebody playing and posting important stuff while saying very little in the middle.

Clever screen? Food for thought

Yes, Mac's play thus far has on some level been quite similar to his main target, HO. Albeit with more conviction about who he finds suspicious.

[Khellendros]

Coltaine93, on 28 April 2016 - 09:51 PM, said:

Not much time left. And I'm still unsure.

I'm currently not thinking HOs Day 1 posts were not that suspicious in comparison, but his posts from today...
Asking what our thoughts are, disliking posts without saying why, offering no real content somehow.

Now I have him back on my list.



I'm also thinking about Gust. If Tatts post is correct.

Tattersail_, on 28 April 2016 - 11:55 AM, said:

The 2 games I found with Gust/Corv as scum were A Newb Game, and Mafia 80 - Benses IV.

Both games he was a high poster, more invested towards the end of day than the beginning. Both games he was late to the party day one, missing a bit of the idle chatter, and both games he voted early. Within 1 or 3 posts. As scum he likes to be on every lynch train. I remember towards end game he gets quite excited, and posts a lot more, and votes quickly. He can be persuasive but I know what to look out for.
He does not mind starting trains or hopping aboard them to get them flowing. He hammered fellow scum in the newb game.

Fun note, he actually likes to off people who accuse him, in the benses games he killed galayn lord night one who was one of the only people to suspect him.

What do the other veterans think?


And there are also Tatts, Khell and Macros. With Tatts big theory and his prime suspects pointing on him.


Too difficult currently to decide. I will set me an alarm and look again before day 2 is over.

My impression is that if you took out the bit about likes to off people who accuse him (which requires you to assume that Gust killed Siergiej), then so far the rest doesn't really fit with how Gust has played in this game.

[HiddenOne]

Sorry, I've fallen behind & still at work for a bit.

Seems I'm still under a little suspicion; I think I will have to learn to live with the fact that nobody likes the way I play this game

[HiddenOne]

I'm surprises Maccy is still harping on the thing on Day 1 where I used his name in vain. I didn't think him the type to care about that, so I'm not sure it's totally real.


I'm not super impressed with the meta reasoning that Tatts has dredged up. For example, some of the tells that he attributes to Gust Hubb were intentionally altered in an effort for Hubb to remain alted longer, as a survival technique. The same could be said about Tatts, he worked hard to hide himself in the course of time. My point is that any skilled player will work both ends of the game. That's why we refrain from talking about meta in some instances, but still calculate the identities of one another when in alted games. We are playing in the open now, so I won't be using meta reasoning to vote.