[Tattersail_]

Gust Hubb, on 27 April 2016 - 12:41 PM, said:

Just Plain Kitsu, on 26 April 2016 - 02:33 PM, said:

Andorion, on 26 April 2016 - 02:29 PM, said:

12 hours into the game and the only remarkable thing happening is the lynch train developing on me as I have profaned the sacred mafia alter of "Touch not the game mechanics". Also because people aren't finding anything else voteworthy yet.

Most interesting thing to me? Tatts lightning swift volte face regarding same issue when I was challenged.

Hmmm. Couple that with a divergence from his usual style of play and its quite quite suspicious.

Pointing straight back at Tatts already?

Vote Andorion

Kitsu is scum. I'd bet my right nut on it.

Gust Hubb with an astute observation.

[Tattersail_]

Possible signal to either Khell or Macros. I've said this. This is Mess' first vote.

Messremb, on 26 April 2016 - 02:19 AM, said:

Woo game thread.

Vote Khellendros

Because Macros and Venge have a point...

Possible first signal to Kitsu

Messremb, on 26 April 2016 - 02:26 AM, said:

Just Plain Kitsu, on 26 April 2016 - 02:23 AM, said:

Woot! Game time!

Greetings

Fuck me. If and I know nothing is certain until we see the CF's but if Messremb was trying to signal both killers then this is it.

Messremb, on 26 April 2016 - 09:34 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 26 April 2016 - 07:52 AM, said:

Messremb, on 26 April 2016 - 02:19 AM, said:

Woo game thread.

Vote Khellendros

Because Macros and Venge have a point...

Remind me what that point is. Place joke votes on me at beginning of game for good luck?

Many might consider lynching you to be good luck

Note for JPK, Siergiej and Dhenrabi, genuine truth - if Khell is alive on Day 3 then he is scum

Another note: in un-alted mafia some old grudges occasionally get settled

Also, Day 1 votes can be extremely random. Example:

Remove Vote

Just Plain Kitsu, on 26 April 2016 - 04:35 AM, said:

You know, if the voting system was actually for lynching - with the last candidate standing getting the position - I'll bet we'd have much larger voter turnout here. Besides that's the only way I can imagine voting Trump.

You'd consider voting Trump for anything? Clearly scummy

Vote JPK

Lynches have run off of far less than that.

So

Remove Vote

Are we going to be serious today or whimsical?

Khellendros, on 26 April 2016 - 07:55 AM, said:

2) You want us to speculate on town roles. That's interesting.

Why do you think it is a Town role? It could be scum, it could be independent.

Andorion, on 26 April 2016 - 08:21 AM, said:

Soo lets see, Day 1:

1. Standard nonsential conversation: Check
2. Joke voting: Check
3. Suspicion of player speculating on game roles: Check
4. Accusation of signalling and symping: Waiting on this one.
5. Lynch Bubba: Inevitable

OMGUS?

[Tattersail_]

continued
Siergiej mentioned Kitsu as one of his suspects

Siergiej, on 26 April 2016 - 06:54 PM, said:

<snip> I'm leaning towards suspecting one of the people who jumped on the lynching Andorion bandwagon, as an easy way to quickly kill off a townie. These people are:
Nom, HiddenOne, Kitsu

and that is when Khell enters the thread, quotes a few posts, replies a bit and votes for Nom. He does not mention Siergiej's post though. I think he picked up on Mess's signalling which can be shown a bit later too.

After Gust Hubb makes this observation about Kitsu

Gust Hubb, on 27 April 2016 - 01:06 PM, said:

Itwas Nom, on 27 April 2016 - 12:47 PM, said:

Gust Hubb, on 27 April 2016 - 12:41 PM, said:

Just Plain Kitsu, on 26 April 2016 - 02:33 PM, said:

Andorion, on 26 April 2016 - 02:29 PM, said:

12 hours into the game and the only remarkable thing happening is the lynch train developing on me as I have profaned the sacred mafia alter of "Touch not the game mechanics". Also because people aren't finding anything else voteworthy yet.

Most interesting thing to me? Tatts lightning swift volte face regarding same issue when I was challenged.

Hmmm. Couple that with a divergence from his usual style of play and its quite quite suspicious.

Pointing straight back at Tatts already?

Vote Andorion

Kitsu is scum. I'd bet my right nut on it.

Elaborate?

A vote with very little to back it trying to accelerate the train. Certain behaviors really catch my eye on day one. Piling on a budding, not established, train on day one without a significant reason let alone case seems off.

Khell deflects attention to HO, or lumps him and Nom in the same bracket.

Khellendros, on 27 April 2016 - 01:43 PM, said:

Gust Hubb, on 27 April 2016 - 01:06 PM, said:

Itwas Nom, on 27 April 2016 - 12:47 PM, said:

Gust Hubb, on 27 April 2016 - 12:41 PM, said:

Just Plain Kitsu, on 26 April 2016 - 02:33 PM, said:

Andorion, on 26 April 2016 - 02:29 PM, said:

12 hours into the game and the only remarkable thing happening is the lynch train developing on me as I have profaned the sacred mafia alter of "Touch not the game mechanics". Also because people aren't finding anything else voteworthy yet.

Most interesting thing to me? Tatts lightning swift volte face regarding same issue when I was challenged.

Hmmm. Couple that with a divergence from his usual style of play and its quite quite suspicious.

Pointing straight back at Tatts already?

Vote Andorion

Kitsu is scum. I'd bet my right nut on it.

Elaborate?

A vote with very little to back it trying to accelerate the train. Certain behaviors really catch my eye on day one. Piling on a budding, not established, train on day one without a significant reason let alone case seems off.

I agree with you on that analysis, though the same behaviour could be laid on HO as well. I'd be interested to see what both have to say in this regard, if Nom turns up inno. HO has promised us a response.

I'm not sure, however, why people are expecting more of a defence of Nom. I wouldn't expect it any more than perhaps we've already seen with some conversations about an HO lynch instead. Do you guys really expect anything more overt than that? Or are you saying you expected more of a defence from Nom himself?

I think there's some evidence there that Khell may be the other scum..

Vote Khell

[Andorion]

Back and reading up

[Dhenrabi]

Coltain, just to be clear, there is nothing personal about my case and it is fine asking questions if you don't know the answer to them. There were just so much that I needed to mention them.

I read you as town now due to the replies which was not exactly what I'd hoped for (would be nicer if you'd said something stupid to confirm your scum ) but it is very helpful nonetheless.

Two concurrent mafia facctions both with a symp would be overkill in a 17 player game, wouldn't it? I'd argue a vig or SK is still more likely.

[Andorion]

Tapper, on 29 April 2016 - 07:42 AM, said:

Coltaine93, on 29 April 2016 - 07:31 AM, said:

Tapper, on 29 April 2016 - 07:12 AM, said:

Bubba, on 29 April 2016 - 06:21 AM, said:

Did we have two killers who didn't know each other?

Perhaps two teams who also have to eliminate one another - or indeed two killers who didn't know each other, and a symp who knew both.

So four killers? They don't have a symp in that case, have they? 6 people scum would be a bit much. But maybe possible if they really have to eliminate one another. And the kill of the second team got cancelled by a healer in that case.

With just two independent two killers and a symp, the game could be balanced. Scum to town ratio would be wrong, of course, but this could be offset by having two kills a night. In town's advantage is the risk of a cross-fire.

My first thought to explain the 2 NKs on night 1 was a vig who got so excited they blew their load straight away (worst moment to do so in terms of odds).

But I am not sure about that now. There's only one kill and the result is scum (and one that wasn't getting scrutiny at all). Two teams of one killer each who have to eliminate one another might be it. I don;t think it is two teams of two - because then, why wasn't the second kill processed? Maybe resolution was through the principle of when a guard guards a guard, the guarded guard is guarded, killing the second killer before they could kill. Maybe we have an independent serial killer - but then, I'd expect still paired killers, so scum still should kill. It is a bit of a puzzle, tbh.

Two independent killers and a symp does not confirm the "Non-standard" role mentioned in the OP.


Also Tapper really blew up at Tatts here.

[Andorion]

Tattersail_, on 29 April 2016 - 08:58 AM, said:

continued
Siergiej mentioned Kitsu as one of his suspects

Siergiej, on 26 April 2016 - 06:54 PM, said:

<snip> I'm leaning towards suspecting one of the people who jumped on the lynching Andorion bandwagon, as an easy way to quickly kill off a townie. These people are:
Nom, HiddenOne, Kitsu

and that is when Khell enters the thread, quotes a few posts, replies a bit and votes for Nom. He does not mention Siergiej's post though. I think he picked up on Mess's signalling which can be shown a bit later too.

After Gust Hubb makes this observation about Kitsu

Gust Hubb, on 27 April 2016 - 01:06 PM, said:

Itwas Nom, on 27 April 2016 - 12:47 PM, said:

Gust Hubb, on 27 April 2016 - 12:41 PM, said:

Just Plain Kitsu, on 26 April 2016 - 02:33 PM, said:

Andorion, on 26 April 2016 - 02:29 PM, said:

12 hours into the game and the only remarkable thing happening is the lynch train developing on me as I have profaned the sacred mafia alter of "Touch not the game mechanics". Also because people aren't finding anything else voteworthy yet.

Most interesting thing to me? Tatts lightning swift volte face regarding same issue when I was challenged.

Hmmm. Couple that with a divergence from his usual style of play and its quite quite suspicious.

Pointing straight back at Tatts already?

Vote Andorion

Kitsu is scum. I'd bet my right nut on it.

Elaborate?

A vote with very little to back it trying to accelerate the train. Certain behaviors really catch my eye on day one. Piling on a budding, not established, train on day one without a significant reason let alone case seems off.

Khell deflects attention to HO, or lumps him and Nom in the same bracket.

Khellendros, on 27 April 2016 - 01:43 PM, said:

Gust Hubb, on 27 April 2016 - 01:06 PM, said:

Itwas Nom, on 27 April 2016 - 12:47 PM, said:

Gust Hubb, on 27 April 2016 - 12:41 PM, said:

Just Plain Kitsu, on 26 April 2016 - 02:33 PM, said:

Andorion, on 26 April 2016 - 02:29 PM, said:

12 hours into the game and the only remarkable thing happening is the lynch train developing on me as I have profaned the sacred mafia alter of "Touch not the game mechanics". Also because people aren't finding anything else voteworthy yet.

Most interesting thing to me? Tatts lightning swift volte face regarding same issue when I was challenged.

Hmmm. Couple that with a divergence from his usual style of play and its quite quite suspicious.

Pointing straight back at Tatts already?

Vote Andorion

Kitsu is scum. I'd bet my right nut on it.

Elaborate?

A vote with very little to back it trying to accelerate the train. Certain behaviors really catch my eye on day one. Piling on a budding, not established, train on day one without a significant reason let alone case seems off.

I agree with you on that analysis, though the same behaviour could be laid on HO as well. I'd be interested to see what both have to say in this regard, if Nom turns up inno. HO has promised us a response.

I'm not sure, however, why people are expecting more of a defence of Nom. I wouldn't expect it any more than perhaps we've already seen with some conversations about an HO lynch instead. Do you guys really expect anything more overt than that? Or are you saying you expected more of a defence from Nom himself?

I think there's some evidence there that Khell may be the other scum..

Vote Khell

Ah I knew we would get to the signalling eventually!

When, in the last twenty or so games have we actually caught signalling? Do people actually signal or is that a myth?






But apart from that this is... somewhat convincing. It all hinges on Mess being a Symp and we have no evidence of that yet

[Tattersail_]

Andorion, on 29 April 2016 - 09:35 AM, said:

Tapper, on 29 April 2016 - 07:42 AM, said:

Coltaine93, on 29 April 2016 - 07:31 AM, said:

Tapper, on 29 April 2016 - 07:12 AM, said:

Bubba, on 29 April 2016 - 06:21 AM, said:

Did we have two killers who didn't know each other?

Perhaps two teams who also have to eliminate one another - or indeed two killers who didn't know each other, and a symp who knew both.

So four killers? They don't have a symp in that case, have they? 6 people scum would be a bit much. But maybe possible if they really have to eliminate one another. And the kill of the second team got cancelled by a healer in that case.

With just two independent two killers and a symp, the game could be balanced. Scum to town ratio would be wrong, of course, but this could be offset by having two kills a night. In town's advantage is the risk of a cross-fire.

My first thought to explain the 2 NKs on night 1 was a vig who got so excited they blew their load straight away (worst moment to do so in terms of odds).

But I am not sure about that now. There's only one kill and the result is scum (and one that wasn't getting scrutiny at all). Two teams of one killer each who have to eliminate one another might be it. I don;t think it is two teams of two - because then, why wasn't the second kill processed? Maybe resolution was through the principle of when a guard guards a guard, the guarded guard is guarded, killing the second killer before they could kill. Maybe we have an independent serial killer - but then, I'd expect still paired killers, so scum still should kill. It is a bit of a puzzle, tbh.

Two independent killers and a symp does not confirm the "Non-standard" role mentioned in the OP.


Also Tapper really blew up at Tatts here.

I'll add this to his mechanic talk, 2 independent scum killers that didn't know each other with a symp who knew each of them and a town vig (which is a non standard role)

Scum alternate their kills as we have seen that before.

Kitsu night one targeted Siergiej
Town Vig targeted Messremb

Night two is a puzzle because if Khell picked up on the signal then why would he have killed Kitsu?

Maybe he either did not pick up on it, or he took one of the other people in the message as his partner?

It won't be the first time Khell screws up his own faction, he's done it multiple times including last game when he lynched his team mate.

Not sure, I'd like to hear more from others about this.

[Tattersail_]

The difference now Ando, is that we HAVE a scum CF, usually signalling cases are made before this happens but you need to read up on Kitsu because he is known scum.

[Coltaine -]

Dhenrabi, on 29 April 2016 - 09:33 AM, said:

Coltain, just to be clear, there is nothing personal about my case and it is fine asking questions if you don't know the answer to them. There were just so much that I needed to mention them.

I read you as town now due to the replies which was not exactly what I'd hoped for (would be nicer if you'd said something stupid to confirm your scum ) but it is very helpful nonetheless.

Two concurrent mafia facctions both with a symp would be overkill in a 17 player game, wouldn't it? I'd argue a vig or SK is still more likely.

No problem, never thought so. And it is the goal of the game to find the scum. So we have to look at anyone suspicious. Even if it's me.
I hope my answers did not sound too harsh. I was bit short at time. Did not exactly know when the day would be over. After rereading them I would have reformulated some of them with more time.

[Andorion]

Tattersail_, on 29 April 2016 - 09:48 AM, said:

The difference now Ando, is that we HAVE a scum CF, usually signalling cases are made before this happens but you need to read up on Kitsu because he is known scum.

That is what I am going to do.

But I would argue that if the Town Vig has every night kills, then so does scum. We should have had two kills. Unless there is something else we are missing?

[Tattersail_]

Andorion, on 29 April 2016 - 09:52 AM, said:

Tattersail_, on 29 April 2016 - 09:48 AM, said:

The difference now Ando, is that we HAVE a scum CF, usually signalling cases are made before this happens but you need to read up on Kitsu because he is known scum.

That is what I am going to do.

But I would argue that if the Town Vig has every night kills, then so does scum. We should have had two kills. Unless there is something else we are missing?

Town Vig usually has a one off.

[Tapper]

The non-standard role could just as easily be on the town side.
The fact we're all RI if we didn't get a PM makes me think this is not a faction game (two factions of killers), which is why an SK is possible but unlikely.

@Andorion, a faction could theoretically consist of only 1 killer.
@Tatts: your whole case on Messremb is based on him being a symp. Basically, we can't lynch him for proof and I am hesitant going after someone because they might be symped. Hence, your case is at most background info. Also, I will respond to one thing: no, yourself being town and voted and there being another train does not equate to having to throw your vote on the other train.

Maybe next time at 4 AM, just go back to your warm bed... I am not sure you can say 'look at me, I am helping and you are not!' based on that...
I don't post either when the cat decides she needs attention at 2 AM (a nightly occurrence), because I have been asleep for four hours and my brain is not working.

Anyhow....

[Tapper]

Coltaine93, on 29 April 2016 - 07:00 AM, said:

Andorion, on 29 April 2016 - 06:38 AM, said:

Looks like scum messed up. OK people we caught a break but remember we haven't lynched anybody and we can't always rely on scum to shoot themselves in the foot. Cases have been made, the thread is full of them. Let's see what we can make of that.

For example, Bubba has been suspiciously quiet as has been Tapper.
Nobody has yet given a satisfactory explanation of HO's play
What has Blend been doing? I can't remember and that type of inconspicuousness is never good.

Earlier I speculated on a veteran newbie scum combo. Half of that has been verified. What do people think?

I also thought about a veteran newbie combo. But as a team!
But Kitsu did a good job as scum i think. Even alone.
Would a symp know both in the case of two independent killers? We could take a look at who tried to take attention away from Kitsu and who else he protected.

We have a lot of quiet players. Or more quiet than usual according to you and other veterans. A symp shouldn't be quiet, so we could maybe eliminate from our Who-is-Kitsus-symp list.

But I was thinking about another fact. Serg -> new player (dead). Kitsu -> new player (dead). Okay, Kitsu could also have killed Serg, but I can't see why. What reason could the other killer have to go after newbies? Or all the kills are random. Also possible.

Generally, it doesn't do to speculate about kills - hard to guess what caused something. If there is competition between killers, then searching between the low-lying ones is one way of doing it. On the other hand... maybe you're a killer and by suggesting a "vet & recent arrival" team, you're trying to portray yourself as innocent townie, hmm?

[Tapper]

Tattersail_, on 29 April 2016 - 09:47 AM, said:

Andorion, on 29 April 2016 - 09:35 AM, said:

Tapper, on 29 April 2016 - 07:42 AM, said:

Coltaine93, on 29 April 2016 - 07:31 AM, said:

Tapper, on 29 April 2016 - 07:12 AM, said:

Bubba, on 29 April 2016 - 06:21 AM, said:

Did we have two killers who didn't know each other?

Perhaps two teams who also have to eliminate one another - or indeed two killers who didn't know each other, and a symp who knew both.

So four killers? They don't have a symp in that case, have they? 6 people scum would be a bit much. But maybe possible if they really have to eliminate one another. And the kill of the second team got cancelled by a healer in that case.

With just two independent two killers and a symp, the game could be balanced. Scum to town ratio would be wrong, of course, but this could be offset by having two kills a night. In town's advantage is the risk of a cross-fire.

My first thought to explain the 2 NKs on night 1 was a vig who got so excited they blew their load straight away (worst moment to do so in terms of odds).

But I am not sure about that now. There's only one kill and the result is scum (and one that wasn't getting scrutiny at all). Two teams of one killer each who have to eliminate one another might be it. I don;t think it is two teams of two - because then, why wasn't the second kill processed? Maybe resolution was through the principle of when a guard guards a guard, the guarded guard is guarded, killing the second killer before they could kill. Maybe we have an independent serial killer - but then, I'd expect still paired killers, so scum still should kill. It is a bit of a puzzle, tbh.

Two independent killers and a symp does not confirm the "Non-standard" role mentioned in the OP.


Also Tapper really blew up at Tatts here.

I'll add this to his mechanic talk, 2 independent scum killers that didn't know each other with a symp who knew each of them and a town vig (which is a non standard role)

Scum alternate their kills as we have seen that before.

Kitsu night one targeted Siergiej
Town Vig targeted Messremb

Night two is a puzzle because if Khell picked up on the signal then why would he have killed Kitsu?

Maybe he either did not pick up on it, or he took one of the other people in the message as his partner?

It won't be the first time Khell screws up his own faction, he's done it multiple times including last game when he lynched his team mate.

Not sure, I'd like to hear more from others about this.

Khell as a killer is based on Messremb being his and Kitsu's symp, right?
So for this scenario to be true, Kitsu would need the first kill, and then Khell the second, plus he needed a close read of Messremb, and then would on it, on purpose? While in the realm of possibilities, I don't judge it likely.

Maybe it's better to step away from the symping cases. They're smoke screens.

[Khellendros]

Well that was an interesting night result!

I am going to take partial credit for that for saying the group of Tatts, Nom, HO, and Kitsu was of most suspicion to me on day 1 So I didn't get it totally right (and I have to hold my hands up here and apologise for underestimating a new player), but I was in the general ballpark!



...And Tatts, are we going to dance this dance every day?

[Tapper]

Khellendros, on 29 April 2016 - 10:12 AM, said:

Well that was an interesting night result!

I am going to take partial credit for that for saying the group of Tatts, Nom, HO, and Kitsu was of most suspicion to me on day 1 So I didn't get it totally right (and I have to hold my hands up here and apologise for underestimating a new player), but I was in the general ballpark!



...And Tatts, are we going to dance this dance every day?

Yeah, he yesterday was also going from a Mess = symp scenario. Le sigh.
I will say this: I very much like Dhenrabi's case on Coltaine from yesterday. The answering of it was good as well.

All of you who just sign up play well - so why do they end up dying?
From a meta perspective, I cannot see a vet taking out a new player early in the game, in all honesty. I know meta is wrong, but were I in a killer's shoes right now, my preference would be to keep them around as long as possible (well, right up until the point where it starts getting suspicious), all the while perhaps settling some grudges on the side...

[Khellendros]

I will reply to Tattersail's new/old accusations point by point, as soon as I return from some student meetings, if I don't find time to do it now. I want to point out, these will be responses for the benefit of everyone else, not for Tatts, as Tatts is in la la not listening mode, quite clearly. So I hope the rest of you read the response and judge for yourself.

[Andorion]

A singularly unproductive read on Kitsu

He seemed to have a bit of a beef with LB, keeps on mentioning her

His other encounters of note are

To Gust

Quote

Gust, I'd love to not be riding this newbie role. Yeah, I pointed out Khell had the first vote of the game placed against him, but that's all I've said in that regard so far. I'm still looking into him. I know he's infamous for being devious around here. I have two current problems: 1- Having to repeat myself multiple times since others just don't seem to be reading my posts. (Example: Lady Bliss asking if I've played before when at the top of the page I clearly stated that I haven't. Same page even!" 2- Macros completely dodging fair questions I've placed his way TWICE now. Without even a mention. Which seems suspicious as hell to me.

I'm also looking deeper into HO, Tapper, and Bubba at the moment. All three are vets that I'm under the impression are usually more active. I was accused of skating day one, but I feel like I still piped up at least as much as these three. Well, maybe not Tapper. The short time Tapper was on, a lot of light seemed to be shed on a couple of subjects.

Post 435

To Bubba

Quote

I understand the on-your-get job aspect all too well. Stuck on mobile today myself. I was just under the impression you were usually more active. Or lynched by now, ya know.

Post 526

Regarding Tapper

Quote

Alright, as far as Tapper is concerned... Skating/lurking hard. Got an early vote in on Tatts, but then has been mia ever since. Tapper could be scum, laying low and keeping attention away. Really, nothing much to go on from day 2 here.

Post 593

[Coltaine -]

Tattersail_, on 29 April 2016 - 09:47 AM, said:

Andorion, on 29 April 2016 - 09:35 AM, said:

Tapper, on 29 April 2016 - 07:42 AM, said:

Coltaine93, on 29 April 2016 - 07:31 AM, said:

Tapper, on 29 April 2016 - 07:12 AM, said:

Bubba, on 29 April 2016 - 06:21 AM, said:

Did we have two killers who didn't know each other?

Perhaps two teams who also have to eliminate one another - or indeed two killers who didn't know each other, and a symp who knew both.

So four killers? They don't have a symp in that case, have they? 6 people scum would be a bit much. But maybe possible if they really have to eliminate one another. And the kill of the second team got cancelled by a healer in that case.

With just two independent two killers and a symp, the game could be balanced. Scum to town ratio would be wrong, of course, but this could be offset by having two kills a night. In town's advantage is the risk of a cross-fire.

My first thought to explain the 2 NKs on night 1 was a vig who got so excited they blew their load straight away (worst moment to do so in terms of odds).

But I am not sure about that now. There's only one kill and the result is scum (and one that wasn't getting scrutiny at all). Two teams of one killer each who have to eliminate one another might be it. I don;t think it is two teams of two - because then, why wasn't the second kill processed? Maybe resolution was through the principle of when a guard guards a guard, the guarded guard is guarded, killing the second killer before they could kill. Maybe we have an independent serial killer - but then, I'd expect still paired killers, so scum still should kill. It is a bit of a puzzle, tbh.

Two independent killers and a symp does not confirm the "Non-standard" role mentioned in the OP.


Also Tapper really blew up at Tatts here.

I'll add this to his mechanic talk, 2 independent scum killers that didn't know each other with a symp who knew each of them and a town vig (which is a non standard role)

Scum alternate their kills as we have seen that before.

Kitsu night one targeted Siergiej
Town Vig targeted Messremb

Night two is a puzzle because if Khell picked up on the signal then why would he have killed Kitsu?

Maybe he either did not pick up on it, or he took one of the other people in the message as his partner?

It won't be the first time Khell screws up his own faction, he's done it multiple times including last game when he lynched his team mate.

Not sure, I'd like to hear more from others about this.

I don't think that there are signals. Kitsu was a new player, so how should he have known tabout signals and how to find them. So IF there were signals it could just be that Kitsu did not see them and his partner misread them and then killed Kitsu.
I would really go with two independet killers, possibly with a symp, and both kills in Night 1 were by the killers. So if there is a vig he hasn't used his ability yet.

Or the complicated version: Two independent killers -> two kills in the first night. Second night: Vig Kills Kitsu before he can kill someone and healer or guard prevent death of other victim. But this is probably too unlikely.

And I'm also not sure about Khell. The first "signal" from Mess was just a joke I think.