[bubba]

Just Plain Kitsu, on 28 April 2016 - 06:22 PM, said:

Bubba, on 28 April 2016 - 08:51 AM, said:

This is my normal amount of post per game day. I don't sit at a computer for work, so my post are generally before work and after work. I do try to keep up on my phone but that is a pain in the ass to post from. and yes people do read your posts.

I want to see how the day plays out a bit before making any cases.

I understand the on-your-get job aspect all too well. Stuck on mobile today myself. I was just under the impression you were usually more active. Or lynched by now, ya know.

Rep later......

[Path-Shaper]

Night 2 has ended


Just Plain Kitsu is dead. He was Scum

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 36 hours remaining


13 players alive: A Demon Llama, Andorion, Blend, Bubba, Coltain93, Dhenrabi, Gust Hubb, HiddenOne, Khellendros, Lady Bliss, Macros, Tapper, Tattersail

7 votes to lynch, 7 votes to night.





Players not voted: A Demon Llama, Andorion, Blend, Bubba, Coltain93, Dhenrabi, Gust Hubb, HiddenOne, Khellendros, Lady Bliss, Macros, Tapper, Tattersail

-Mess

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 29 April 2016 - 06:04 AM
Reason for edit: D3, not D2!!

[Tattersail_]

Well well well

[bubba]

WTF just happened?


....and I feel asleep early, or more to the point. passed out.

[Coltaine -]

Path-Shaper, on 29 April 2016 - 05:58 AM, said:

Night 2 has ended


Just Plain Kitsu is dead. He was Scum

Wait, what?
A scum is dead?
The killers kill themselves?

[Macros]

I went to bed at like half ten last night and the was 9 hours on the clock, how has day timed out already??
If the second death night one was a vig I will not be happy.

Would probably have gotten on board the Bliss train (not a euphemism, sorry baby) there has been a certain cageyness about here play, but I haven't played with her that often I don't think so wouldn't be overly sure.

[bubba]

Did we have two killers who didn't know each other?

[bubba]

and in your face scum!!! woooo whoooo!!!

[Coltaine -]

Bubba, on 29 April 2016 - 06:21 AM, said:

Did we have two killers who didn't know each other?

If this is possible, it looks like the only explanation.

Then we have probably also no vig. Or he has just not killed Serg or Mess and is saving his ability.

[Andorion]

Looks like scum messed up. OK people we caught a break but remember we haven't lynched anybody and we can't always rely on scum to shoot themselves in the foot. Cases have been made, the thread is full of them. Let's see what we can make of that.

For example, Bubba has been suspiciously quiet as has been Tapper.
Nobody has yet given a satisfactory explanation of HO's play
What has Blend been doing? I can't remember and that type of inconspicuousness is never good.

Earlier I speculated on a veteran newbie scum combo. Half of that has been verified. What do people think?

[Andorion]

I have a few things to do. I will be back later to see if we can connect Kitsu to anyone

[Coltaine -]

Andorion, on 29 April 2016 - 06:38 AM, said:

Looks like scum messed up. OK people we caught a break but remember we haven't lynched anybody and we can't always rely on scum to shoot themselves in the foot. Cases have been made, the thread is full of them. Let's see what we can make of that.

For example, Bubba has been suspiciously quiet as has been Tapper.
Nobody has yet given a satisfactory explanation of HO's play
What has Blend been doing? I can't remember and that type of inconspicuousness is never good.

Earlier I speculated on a veteran newbie scum combo. Half of that has been verified. What do people think?

I also thought about a veteran newbie combo. But as a team!
But Kitsu did a good job as scum i think. Even alone.
Would a symp know both in the case of two independent killers? We could take a look at who tried to take attention away from Kitsu and who else he protected.

We have a lot of quiet players. Or more quiet than usual according to you and other veterans. A symp shouldn't be quiet, so we could maybe eliminate from our Who-is-Kitsus-symp list.

But I was thinking about another fact. Serg -> new player (dead). Kitsu -> new player (dead). Okay, Kitsu could also have killed Serg, but I can't see why. What reason could the other killer have to go after newbies? Or all the kills are random. Also possible.

[Tapper]

Bubba, on 29 April 2016 - 06:21 AM, said:

Did we have two killers who didn't know each other?

Perhaps two teams who also have to eliminate one another - or indeed two killers who didn't know each other, and a symp who knew both.

[Tapper]

Tattersail_, on 29 April 2016 - 03:02 AM, said:

For now I will add to LB. No meat to her posts.

remove vote

Vote lady bliss

Asleep. I'll swap to anyone Inc me to get a lynch. If I wake before 2 hours. It's 4am.

really? REALLY? REALLY, TATTS?

You know why I find you scummy? Why I have been on your tail for three game days?
The post above is my entire fixation in a nut shell. There's a (small) train on you. All game long, yuo have been casting suspicions on people, prodding and 'trying to make things happen'.
And then, instead of defusing the train, instead of looking at yourself and your interactions, instead of using those to build a case, you just throw a vague reasoning for a vote out combined with said vote - and you don't even say you find Lady B scummy, you just say she doesn't have substance. The same substance is lacking in your post above - pot and kettle at best, hypocritical and scummy at worst.

The reasoning behind your vote reeks of 'anyone but me'. Maybe you think you can really win this game on your own. The thing is, I KNOW you are a better player than that, you understand the game, you know how it is played, you know town makes a team effort. YOU KNOW a shitty legitimization for a vote like yours above is NOT constructive. So why do it, unless you are scum? Because they are the ones that need to survive at the exclusion of everyone else.

Now, suppose we were to lynch Lady B - you'd be in the position you voted Khell for at the beginning of the day if she came up town. I don't know if she is town or scum, she can be either. By the logic you used there and then, you ought to be lynched or at the very least closely examined. If you're town, what did you achieve? You stalemated the game and lynched a townie to save your own hide and you only give me and those who doubt you more munition.

Now, suppose we were to lynch you instead and you came up town. People might want to examine Lady B, what with her being on your train and your last suspicion and all that. Do you think she is the scummiest person on the thread? If so, then good. If not (have you even voted her before?), and this was just the best you could come up with in a split second, then you focus town's energies away from where even you thought they should be focused.

Now, without adding explicit language and blasphemy - I am just one person. Yeah, I don't like how you play. So why not ignore me, leave me to my obsession and game on? If you can't do that, go the other way around and build a case on me. Plenty of people say I lie low. There's your starting point to building a train. Now, examine why I have the hots for you. This post is a good start, there's more. Then, disarm that or turn it around. At the least you can examine whether I am scummy or not. Hey, you might even convince me there's nothing to do. But this? You're just making it worse.

[Coltaine -]

Tapper, on 29 April 2016 - 07:12 AM, said:

Bubba, on 29 April 2016 - 06:21 AM, said:

Did we have two killers who didn't know each other?

Perhaps two teams who also have to eliminate one another - or indeed two killers who didn't know each other, and a symp who knew both.

So four killers? They don't have a symp in that case, have they? 6 people scum would be a bit much. But maybe possible if they really have to eliminate one another. And the kill of the second team got cancelled by a healer in that case.

[Tapper]

Coltaine93, on 29 April 2016 - 07:31 AM, said:

Tapper, on 29 April 2016 - 07:12 AM, said:

Bubba, on 29 April 2016 - 06:21 AM, said:

Did we have two killers who didn't know each other?

Perhaps two teams who also have to eliminate one another - or indeed two killers who didn't know each other, and a symp who knew both.

So four killers? They don't have a symp in that case, have they? 6 people scum would be a bit much. But maybe possible if they really have to eliminate one another. And the kill of the second team got cancelled by a healer in that case.

With just two independent two killers and a symp, the game could be balanced. Scum to town ratio would be wrong, of course, but this could be offset by having two kills a night. In town's advantage is the risk of a cross-fire.

My first thought to explain the 2 NKs on night 1 was a vig who got so excited they blew their load straight away (worst moment to do so in terms of odds).

But I am not sure about that now. There's only one kill and the result is scum (and one that wasn't getting scrutiny at all). Two teams of one killer each who have to eliminate one another might be it. I don;t think it is two teams of two - because then, why wasn't the second kill processed? Maybe resolution was through the principle of when a guard guards a guard, the guarded guard is guarded, killing the second killer before they could kill. Maybe we have an independent serial killer - but then, I'd expect still paired killers, so scum still should kill. It is a bit of a puzzle, tbh.

[Tattersail_]

Tapper, it was 4am, I had just changed my babies nappy, gave her to the wife for a feed, logged on in case my vote was needed, Bliss and Coltaine were at 2 votes each, I added mine to the scummier out the two. Quick decision, but she has been trying to paint me as a symp all game long, there's no way of varifying that and she says as much, if he comes up town he will still be the symp. How is that constructive for town? So yes, tired, asleep almost but a vote to try and get a lynch.

I didn't see you around trying to help town get a lynch. Admittedly you'd have been asleep and so would I if I did not just have a little girl. My point is, I could have just rolled over and went to sleep but I didn't, I come on to try help out.

[Tattersail_]

Tapper, on 29 April 2016 - 07:31 AM, said:

Tattersail_, on 29 April 2016 - 03:02 AM, said:

For now I will add to LB. No meat to her posts.

remove vote

Vote lady bliss

Asleep. I'll swap to anyone Inc me to get a lynch. If I wake before 2 hours. It's 4am.

really? REALLY? REALLY, TATTS?

You know why I find you scummy? Why I have been on your tail for three game days?
The post above is my entire fixation in a nut shell. There's a (small) train on you. All game long, yuo have been casting suspicions on people, prodding and 'trying to make things happen'.
And then, instead of defusing the train, instead of looking at yourself and your interactions, instead of using those to build a case, you just throw a vague reasoning for a vote out combined with said vote - and you don't even say you find Lady B scummy, you just say she doesn't have substance. The same substance is lacking in your post above - pot and kettle at best, hypocritical and scummy at worst.

The reasoning behind your vote reeks of 'anyone but me'. Maybe you think you can really win this game on your own. The thing is, I KNOW you are a better player than that, you understand the game, you know how it is played, you know town makes a team effort. YOU KNOW a shitty legitimization for a vote like yours above is NOT constructive. So why do it, unless you are scum? Because they are the ones that need to survive at the exclusion of everyone else.

Now, suppose we were to lynch Lady B - you'd be in the position you voted Khell for at the beginning of the day if she came up town. I don't know if she is town or scum, she can be either. By the logic you used there and then, you ought to be lynched or at the very least closely examined. If you're town, what did you achieve? You stalemated the game and lynched a townie to save your own hide and you only give me and those who doubt you more munition.

Now, suppose we were to lynch you instead and you came up town. People might want to examine Lady B, what with her being on your train and your last suspicion and all that. Do you think she is the scummiest person on the thread? If so, then good. If not (have you even voted her before?), and this was just the best you could come up with in a split second, then you focus town's energies away from where even you thought they should be focused.

Now, without adding explicit language and blasphemy - I am just one person. Yeah, I don't like how you play. So why not ignore me, leave me to my obsession and game on? If you can't do that, go the other way around and build a case on me. Plenty of people say I lie low. There's your starting point to building a train. Now, examine why I have the hots for you. This post is a good start, there's more. Then, disarm that or turn it around. At the least you can examine whether I am scummy or not. Hey, you might even convince me there's nothing to do. But this? You're just making it worse.

Okay, I read this and responded already. Yet I won't to address some points you make.

First of all, I am very much aware of what is going on in thread. Each day I pick a different player to read up and then vote for them (maybe), I look at their reactions to my vote, and other people's reactions to my vote, the next day (unless I really really find someone scummy) I move on to someone else. This is totally for my benefit, for when at the end of the game and I am still alive (if I am) then I can go back and read reactions, interactions on those votes and posts. If someone turns up scum then I can see their view point as well.

Second of all, the only information I have is about me, so if there are two trains and I am one of them then I am going to vote the other way, OBVIOUSLY, yet if I had logged on at 4am and saw 7 votes on me, I would have responded a little but I would have hammered myself for two reasons, one you get my cf and I pop up town, and two a symp would not do that, so it 100% clears me, a symp wouldn't be allowed to hammer himself because it is playing against his team (or so I think, not 100% on this)

Going back to my first point, I DO NOT HAVE A TOWN READ ON BLISS. I have one on Gust, I have one on Andorion and I have one on Dhenrabi but that is about it. We had 14 players alive yesterday, so unlike you (who has only really given me as their scum choice), i'm of the opinion that any of those 11 players were fair game. If it was Blend I'd have voted, if it was Khell I'd have voted, if it was Macros I'd have voted. Get over it, I'd have added to any other train, damn right.

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If you're town, what did you achieve? You stalemated the game and lynched a townie to save your own hide and you only give me and those who doubt you more munition.

I don't get this, at the time, there were 3 votes me, 2 for Coltaine, 2 for Bliss. Khell and Gust (I don't remember who else was on at that time) didn't come back to change their votes, if I added my vote to me (is that what you're asking?) then that'd have been 4 votes for me, we needed 8 for a lynch and there weren't 4 more votes on thread to my knowledge.

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Now, suppose we were to lynch you instead and you came up town. People might want to examine Lady B, what with her being on your train and your last suspicion and all that. Do you think she is the scummiest person on the thread? If so, then good. If not (have you even voted her before?), and this was just the best you could come up with in a split second, then you focus town's energies away from whereeven youthought they should be focused.

I am sure i'd be labelled as symp no? That's what a couple of people have accused me of, so they'd not trust my accusations anyway. Say we were to lynch you, all we'd get is your hard on for me, a fellow townie (if you're town). How is that any different?

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I am just one person. Yeah, I don't like how you play. So why not ignore me, leave me to my obsession and game on? If you can't do that, go the other way around and build a case on me. Plenty of people say I lie low. There's your starting point to building a train. Now, examine why I have the hots for you. This post is a good start, there's more. Then, disarm that or turn it around. At the least you can examine whether I am scummy or not. Hey, you might even convince me there's nothing to do. But this? You're just making it worse.

I have not even mentioned you, I don't know why you'd think I'd fixate on you.

[Tattersail_]

Going off what Tapper said, 2 killers who don't know each other, with a symp who knows both then Mess could easily be the symp. I'll go further into this shortly but I am just finishing a read up.

Gust Hubb, on 27 April 2016 - 12:16 PM, said:

Messremb, on 26 April 2016 - 09:34 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 26 April 2016 - 07:52 AM, said:

Messremb, on 26 April 2016 - 02:19 AM, said:

Woo game thread.

Vote Khellendros

Because Macros and Venge have a point...

Remind me what that point is. Place joke votes on me at beginning of game for good luck?

Many might consider lynching you to be good luck

Note for JPK, Siergiej and Dhenrabi, genuine truth - if Khell is alive on Day 3 then he is scum

Another note: in un-alted mafia some old grudges occasionally get settled

Also, Day 1 votes can be extremely random. Example:

Remove Vote

Just Plain Kitsu, on 26 April 2016 - 04:35 AM, said:

You know, if the voting system was actually for lynching - with the last candidate standing getting the position - I'll bet we'd have much larger voter turnout here. Besides that's the only way I can imagine voting Trump.

You'd consider voting Trump for anything? Clearly scummy

Vote JPK

Lynches have run off of far less than that.

So

Remove Vote

Are we going to be serious today or whimsical?

Khellendros, on 26 April 2016 - 07:55 AM, said:

2) You want us to speculate on town roles. That's interesting.

Why do you think it is a Town role? It could be scum, it could be independent.

Andorion, on 26 April 2016 - 08:21 AM, said:

Soo lets see, Day 1:

1. Standard nonsential conversation: Check
2. Joke voting: Check
3. Suspicion of player speculating on game roles: Check
4. Accusation of signalling and symping: Waiting on this one.
5. Lynch Bubba: Inevitable

OMGUS?

Is mess with the symp and kitsu a master?