[Denul]

Anomandaris was the first person to vote for Fanderay. So the "pile on" as you call it Hanas happened from there. This is how the votes went down.

If anything, a "pile-on" would be Fanderay, Emurlahn and Hanas after the Eloth vote of Anomandaris.

Eloth > Anomandaris
Fanderay > Anomandaris
Emurlahn > Anomandaris
Hanas > Anomandaris

Merrid halts progress

Anomandaris > Fanderay
Kadagar Fant > Fanderay

The next person to vote after Kadagar is Merrid, who does not vote for Fanderay.

Merrid > Anomandaris

Grasp > Fanderay

Denul > Fanderay

Korlat > Hanas

Shadow > Fanderay

Emurlahn remove

Denesmet > Fanderay

Omtose > Fanderay

Hanas > remove vote

Hanas > Fanderay

Korlat > remove vote

Korlat > Fanderay

Korlat > remove vote

Korlat > Fanderay

Eloth > Korlat

Eloth > Remove vote

Eloth > Fanderay

Aparal Forge > Fanderay


I think what Hanas is suggesting that Kadagar could be a leader and that his minions followed, but that would just lead a trail right back to the leader. You could look at the Fanderay lynch as a swing away from Ano, and therefore Ano could be a leader, with Hanas' logic.

So i'm voting for Hanas, purely because of his "night action" and because he seems to have more information than the rest of us.

[Telas]

Looking at that breakdown, the Korlat vote for Hanas stands out as an outlier. And now we have today's actions. It's interesting.

[Hanas]

Denul, on 04 February 2016 - 04:47 PM, said:

Anomandaris was the first person to vote for Fanderay. So the "pile on" as you call it Hanas happened from there. This is how the votes went down.

If anything, a "pile-on" would be Fanderay, Emurlahn and Hanas after the Eloth vote of Anomandaris.

Eloth > Anomandaris
Fanderay > Anomandaris
Emurlahn > Anomandaris
Hanas > Anomandaris

Merrid halts progress

Anomandaris > Fanderay
Kadagar Fant > Fanderay

The next person to vote after Kadagar is Merrid, who does not vote for Fanderay.

Merrid > Anomandaris

Grasp > Fanderay

Denul > Fanderay

Korlat > Hanas

Shadow > Fanderay

Emurlahn remove

Denesmet > Fanderay

Omtose > Fanderay

Hanas > remove vote

Hanas > Fanderay

Korlat > remove vote

Korlat > Fanderay

Korlat > remove vote

Korlat > Fanderay

Eloth > Korlat

Eloth > Remove vote

Eloth > Fanderay

Aparal Forge > Fanderay


I think what Hanas is suggesting that Kadagar could be a leader and that his minions followed, but that would just lead a trail right back to the leader. You could look at the Fanderay lynch as a swing away from Ano, and therefore Ano could be a leader, with Hanas' logic.

So i'm voting for Hanas, purely because of his "night action" and because he seems to have more information than the rest of us.

You're partially right there. I was more curious to see what would happen if I voted Kadagar; would people come out of the woodwork?
It hasn't really worked out, though.
I should probably not have mentioned my night action, but there we go.
In summary: I'm a scout. My night action allows me to see whether someone is on the other faction to mine; part of the reason why I'm pretty sure there isn't a third faction is because it expressly implies it only works on the other team. And no, I didn't actually use it on Kadagar; I was hoping voting for him would help me figure out which way the wind was going to blow and try and identify some people.
It's not been hugely successful, though.
Remove vote

[Anomandaris]

I don't know about that, Denesmet and Eloth have come out with what I thought were some good analyses of the day so far and people's interaction. But you seem to dismiss that with your summation.

[Telas]

Hanas, on 04 February 2016 - 05:37 PM, said:

Denul, on 04 February 2016 - 04:47 PM, said:

Anomandaris was the first person to vote for Fanderay. So the "pile on" as you call it Hanas happened from there. This is how the votes went down.

If anything, a "pile-on" would be Fanderay, Emurlahn and Hanas after the Eloth vote of Anomandaris.

Eloth > Anomandaris
Fanderay > Anomandaris
Emurlahn > Anomandaris
Hanas > Anomandaris

Merrid halts progress

Anomandaris > Fanderay
Kadagar Fant > Fanderay

The next person to vote after Kadagar is Merrid, who does not vote for Fanderay.

Merrid > Anomandaris

Grasp > Fanderay

Denul > Fanderay

Korlat > Hanas

Shadow > Fanderay

Emurlahn remove

Denesmet > Fanderay

Omtose > Fanderay

Hanas > remove vote

Hanas > Fanderay

Korlat > remove vote

Korlat > Fanderay

Korlat > remove vote

Korlat > Fanderay

Eloth > Korlat

Eloth > Remove vote

Eloth > Fanderay

Aparal Forge > Fanderay


I think what Hanas is suggesting that Kadagar could be a leader and that his minions followed, but that would just lead a trail right back to the leader. You could look at the Fanderay lynch as a swing away from Ano, and therefore Ano could be a leader, with Hanas' logic.

So i'm voting for Hanas, purely because of his "night action" and because he seems to have more information than the rest of us.

You're partially right there. I was more curious to see what would happen if I voted Kadagar; would people come out of the woodwork?
It hasn't really worked out, though.
I should probably not have mentioned my night action, but there we go.
In summary: I'm a scout. My night action allows me to see whether someone is on the other faction to mine; part of the reason why I'm pretty sure there isn't a third faction is because it expressly implies it only works on the other team. And no, I didn't actually use it on Kadagar; I was hoping voting for him would help me figure out which way the wind was going to blow and try and identify some people.
It's not been hugely successful, though.
Remove vote

Bold strategy, Cotton.

[Eloth]

Not sure if it's a bold strategy or just a wtf strategy. Really not sure I believe that reveal. What sort of finder reveals when they've no useful information and are under no pressure?

[Anomandaris]

Eloth, on 04 February 2016 - 06:01 PM, said:

Not sure if it's a bold strategy or just a wtf strategy. Really not sure I believe that reveal. What sort of finder reveals when they've no useful information and are under no pressure?

Well, people did ask, heh.

[Denesmet]

Eloth, on 04 February 2016 - 03:40 PM, said:

This is a good post all round. I agree with your feelings for Hanas' vote (votes that explicitly say they're testing a suspicion tend not to be such good tests as votes with more backing them up).

I think you've hit on a good point though, about looking at reactions to the vote. However, different people stuck out to me. Denul is certainly the most noticeable one, with the vote. Shadow and Emur didn't really stick out at me, while Omtose/Grasp did a bit more. While Emur feels there's little reason for Hanas to put out misinformation on purpose, Omtose says that he "intentionally gave wrong info about the scenes". Grasp accuses him of "claiming a Night action to gain credibility".

What's interesting is that these are some of the same people who hopped onto Fanderay most easily (with drive by/"I agree, voted" type votes).

Alright... let's have a look at the Omtose and Grasp comments (at least, the ones that aren't simply "I'm reading up" posts)...

Omtose, on 04 February 2016 - 12:00 PM, said:

Back at last.

I didn't drive by vote, I though KF had the right idea about Fanderay. I didn't give a reason as that would just be parroting KF's post

Hanas is who interests me. He intentionally gave wrong info about the scenes, and now wants us to follow him, with no valid or verifiable reason

So I agree, this, especially that last sentence, seems to be working towards discrediting Hanas. I mean, it's flimsy, but often people jump on flimsy cases so early in the game, so Omtose may very well be trying to defend KF by pushing the idea that Hanas may have been lying on purpose...

And then...

Grasp, on 04 February 2016 - 01:29 PM, said:

Hanas, on 04 February 2016 - 01:33 AM, said:

The vote train in which everyone piled on Fandy after Kadagar, and also my night action cleared someone else I had a feeling about.
So I'm going to explore what happens when I vote Kadagar.

Claiming a night action already to gain credibility. I dont like this combined with the fact that he is trying to get the thread to just follow him with no information.

He says almost the exact same thing as Omtose...

So, I see where you're coming from. When I was first reading through, I just took it as the same sentiment many of the rest of us have expressed, mainly that we wouldn't vote for KF without further clarification from Hanas... But these two are pushing it a bit further - immediately trying to discredit him, trying to make him look suspicious and shady - it's something I might do if I wanted to push people away from voting KF without seeming to be outright defending KF.

[Eloth]

Anomandaris, on 04 February 2016 - 06:03 PM, said:

Eloth, on 04 February 2016 - 06:01 PM, said:

Not sure if it's a bold strategy or just a wtf strategy. Really not sure I believe that reveal. What sort of finder reveals when they've no useful information and are under no pressure?

Well, people did ask, heh.

Mafia: a game of communal goodwill and courtesy.

[Denesmet]

Eloth, on 04 February 2016 - 06:01 PM, said:

Not sure if it's a bold strategy or just a wtf strategy. Really not sure I believe that reveal. What sort of finder reveals when they've no useful information and are under no pressure?

I agree that he wasn't really under much pressure... yet, but if he hadn't come out and said something, we would have kept pushing for more information.

I agree that a finder reveal is pretty suspect this early in the game. I mean, it's a valuable role, no? Now people are just going to take him out on principle. I am certainly tempted to vote for him despite having no idea which faction he's part of - even if he's part of mine, I think having a member of our faction reveal finder so early in the game is only a detriment to us...

[Telas]

Eloth, on 04 February 2016 - 06:01 PM, said:

Not sure if it's a bold strategy or just a wtf strategy. Really not sure I believe that reveal. What sort of finder reveals when they've no useful information and are under no pressure?

The context of that quote is that it's a stupid strategy. So, "wtf strategy" is more apt.

If I'm on his team I'm not thrilled. You are either:

1. An admitted liar, at which point everything you say is immediately discounted

Or

2. Putting a target on your back for no reason.

I guess if you are willing to sacrifice yourself because you aren't high up on the totem pole you could potentially allow your teammates to find each other, but it'd be transparent.

[Hanas]

Anomandaris, on 04 February 2016 - 06:03 PM, said:

Eloth, on 04 February 2016 - 06:01 PM, said:

Not sure if it's a bold strategy or just a wtf strategy. Really not sure I believe that reveal. What sort of finder reveals when they've no useful information and are under no pressure?

Well, people did ask, heh.

Also, I was mentioned in the scene, so I figured if I didn't reveal now, somebody would work it out sooner or later.

[Anomandaris]

Hanas, on 04 February 2016 - 06:15 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on 04 February 2016 - 06:03 PM, said:

Eloth, on 04 February 2016 - 06:01 PM, said:

Not sure if it's a bold strategy or just a wtf strategy. Really not sure I believe that reveal. What sort of finder reveals when they've no useful information and are under no pressure?

Well, people did ask, heh.

Also, I was mentioned in the scene, so I figured if I didn't reveal now, somebody would work it out sooner or later.

Uhm, I got to agree with the others that this seems like a weird continual reveal now.

[Eloth]

Yeah, I think most people are probably sitting hoping he's not in their faction right now.

Not sure how to respond to it. If he's lying I'm not sure why... but if he's not, I'm not sure why he's revealed. I agree with Den that he's painted a target on his back.

Denesmet, on 04 February 2016 - 06:03 PM, said:

So, I see where you're coming from. When I was first reading through, I just took it as the same sentiment many of the rest of us have expressed, mainly that we wouldn't vote for KF without further clarification from Hanas... But these two are pushing it a bit further - immediately trying to discredit him, trying to make him look suspicious and shady - it's something I might do if I wanted to push people away from voting KF without seeming to be outright defending KF.

Yeah, I think those posts stood out to me because they seemed a lot more aggressive than the "umm, more info please" response (which I think was valid).

[Eloth]

The more Hanas says the more unbelievaable I'm finding it. You thought someone would read the scene and be like "yep, that sounds like it's Hanas"?

[Telas]

Is it possible this is an attempt to distract from a leader that was getting heat? Otherwise, I just don't understand it.

[Eloth]

Telas, on 04 February 2016 - 06:24 PM, said:

Is it possible this is an attempt to distract from a leader that was getting heat? Otherwise, I just don't understand it.

Who though?

[Hanas]

Eloth, on 04 February 2016 - 06:01 PM, said:

Not sure if it's a bold strategy or just a wtf strategy. Really not sure I believe that reveal. What sort of finder reveals when they've no useful information and are under no pressure?

If I didn't reveal, we'd have gone around in circles discussing my role anyway. It would have been a waste of time.

Denesmet, on 04 February 2016 - 06:08 PM, said:

I agree that he wasn't really under much pressure... yet, but if he hadn't come out and said something, we would have kept pushing for more information.

I agree that a finder reveal is pretty suspect this early in the game. I mean, it's a valuable role, no? Now people are just going to take him out on principle. I am certainly tempted to vote for him despite having no idea which faction he's part of - even if he's part of mine, I think having a member of our faction reveal finder so early in the game is only a detriment to us...

It depends. People might well take me out, but we'll see. Enough people seemed to have expressed an interest in me during the last day that I don't think I'm actually painting that much bigger a target on my head, and with no night action information to go on, I might as well volunteer some.

[Omtose]

Telas, on 04 February 2016 - 06:24 PM, said:

Is it possible this is an attempt to distract from a leader that was getting heat? Otherwise, I just don't understand it.

But who was getting heat? Day 2 started off with Hanas and his vote and continued with everybody talking about it

[Eloth]

Hanas, on 04 February 2016 - 06:26 PM, said:

Eloth, on 04 February 2016 - 06:01 PM, said:

Not sure if it's a bold strategy or just a wtf strategy. Really not sure I believe that reveal. What sort of finder reveals when they've no useful information and are under no pressure?

If I didn't reveal, we'd have gone around in circles discussing my role anyway. It would have been a waste of time.

Or you could've just said "I'm not revealing, obviously, stop asking"? This also doesn't explain why you revealed as roled in the first place.

Hanas, on 04 February 2016 - 06:26 PM, said:

It depends. People might well take me out, but we'll see. Enough people seemed to have expressed an interest in me during the last day that I don't think I'm actually painting that much bigger a target on my head, and with no night action information to go on, I might as well volunteer some.

Getting some heat on day 1 is not remotely as big a target as revealing, imo.