[Emurlahn]

I gotta say some info that Hanas "revealed" seems...plausible...

But this whole thing is fucking weird and just wtf

Why for Christ's sake?

I really don't know what your intentions are to make this whole thing worth

[Telas]

Eloth, on 04 February 2016 - 06:26 PM, said:

Telas, on 04 February 2016 - 06:24 PM, said:

Is it possible this is an attempt to distract from a leader that was getting heat? Otherwise, I just don't understand it.

Who though?

Omtose, on 04 February 2016 - 06:28 PM, said:

Telas, on 04 February 2016 - 06:24 PM, said:

Is it possible this is an attempt to distract from a leader that was getting heat? Otherwise, I just don't understand it.

But who was getting heat? Day 2 started off with Hanas and his vote and continued with everybody talking about it

I don't know. I just don't understand the play.

[Eloth]

Telas, on 04 February 2016 - 06:34 PM, said:

Eloth, on 04 February 2016 - 06:26 PM, said:

Telas, on 04 February 2016 - 06:24 PM, said:

Is it possible this is an attempt to distract from a leader that was getting heat? Otherwise, I just don't understand it.

Who though?

Omtose, on 04 February 2016 - 06:28 PM, said:

Telas, on 04 February 2016 - 06:24 PM, said:

Is it possible this is an attempt to distract from a leader that was getting heat? Otherwise, I just don't understand it.

But who was getting heat? Day 2 started off with Hanas and his vote and continued with everybody talking about it

I don't know. I just don't understand the play.

Yeah, with you there.

It's possible he was deliberately trying to draw heat but for some other reason, too.

[Emurlahn]

Denesmet, on 04 February 2016 - 06:03 PM, said:

Eloth, on 04 February 2016 - 03:40 PM, said:

This is a good post all round. I agree with your feelings for Hanas' vote (votes that explicitly say they're testing a suspicion tend not to be such good tests as votes with more backing them up).

I think you've hit on a good point though, about looking at reactions to the vote. However, different people stuck out to me. Denul is certainly the most noticeable one, with the vote. Shadow and Emur didn't really stick out at me, while Omtose/Grasp did a bit more. While Emur feels there's little reason for Hanas to put out misinformation on purpose, Omtose says that he "intentionally gave wrong info about the scenes". Grasp accuses him of "claiming a Night action to gain credibility".

What's interesting is that these are some of the same people who hopped onto Fanderay most easily (with drive by/"I agree, voted" type votes).

Alright... let's have a look at the Omtose and Grasp comments (at least, the ones that aren't simply "I'm reading up" posts)...

Omtose, on 04 February 2016 - 12:00 PM, said:

Back at last.

I didn't drive by vote, I though KF had the right idea about Fanderay. I didn't give a reason as that would just be parroting KF's post

Hanas is who interests me. He intentionally gave wrong info about the scenes, and now wants us to follow him, with no valid or verifiable reason

So I agree, this, especially that last sentence, seems to be working towards discrediting Hanas. I mean, it's flimsy, but often people jump on flimsy cases so early in the game, so Omtose may very well be trying to defend KF by pushing the idea that Hanas may have been lying on purpose...

And then...

Grasp, on 04 February 2016 - 01:29 PM, said:

Hanas, on 04 February 2016 - 01:33 AM, said:

The vote train in which everyone piled on Fandy after Kadagar, and also my night action cleared someone else I had a feeling about.
So I'm going to explore what happens when I vote Kadagar.

Claiming a night action already to gain credibility. I dont like this combined with the fact that he is trying to get the thread to just follow him with no information.

He says almost the exact same thing as Omtose...

So, I see where you're coming from. When I was first reading through, I just took it as the same sentiment many of the rest of us have expressed, mainly that we wouldn't vote for KF without further clarification from Hanas... But these two are pushing it a bit further - immediately trying to discredit him, trying to make him look suspicious and shady - it's something I might do if I wanted to push people away from voting KF without seeming to be outright defending KF.

I have very similar feelings.

Then there is Denul who goes straight to the vote for Hanas

Omtose asks directly for ability info, which I didn't find so essential in Hanas vote for KF as it only cleared someone else who we don't even know who is.

Omtose, on 04 February 2016 - 04:16 PM, said:

His Night Action argument would be a lot more convincing if he provided any details

But I just don't fucking understand this reveal shit so my vote stays where it is for now.

[Telas]

Emurlahn, on 04 February 2016 - 06:33 PM, said:

I gotta say some info that Hanas "revealed" seems...plausible...

But this whole thing is fucking weird and just wtf

Why for Christ's sake?

I really don't know what your intentions are to make this whole thing worth

I agree, but it's probably a classic half-truth of his actual role.

[Ultama]

Path-Shaper, on 03 February 2016 - 11:34 PM, said:

Suibara Takaeie led his raiding group of Uesugi closer to the river, keeping them within the trees and out of sight of the Takeda column. They would soon push forward in an attempt to take some of the straggling Takeda column by surprise.

Shouts of alarm suddenly sounded from his men as a group of Takeda troops, led by Kosaka Masanobu, burst from cover and engaged his men. Surprise lost, Takaeie gave the order to retreat, which his men gladly executed.

Hanas, on 04 February 2016 - 05:37 PM, said:

In summary: I'm a scout. My night action allows me to see whether someone is on the other faction to mine; part of the reason why I'm pretty sure there isn't a third faction is because it expressly implies it only works on the other team. And no, I didn't actually use it on Kadagar; I was hoping voting for him would help me figure out which way the wind was going to blow and try and identify some people.
It's not been hugely successful, though.
Remove vote

I will give you this. That does seem to correspond to the night scene. But why you would mention something with out having any info makes no sense at all. You went fishing at night and got blocked then tried to go fishing during the day. Just seems like a lose lose scenario. You don't seem like your stupid so I have to assume that there is some kind of alter motive to doing a reveal. But the only one that I can see is that you are bored with the game and want to be lynched. Personally I dislike finders in faction games.

[Ultama]

Unless something else weird and off the wall happens I will vote for Hanas today.

[Grasp]

Ultama, on 04 February 2016 - 06:47 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 03 February 2016 - 11:34 PM, said:

Suibara Takaeie led his raiding group of Uesugi closer to the river, keeping them within the trees and out of sight of the Takeda column. They would soon push forward in an attempt to take some of the straggling Takeda column by surprise.

Shouts of alarm suddenly sounded from his men as a group of Takeda troops, led by Kosaka Masanobu, burst from cover and engaged his men. Surprise lost, Takaeie gave the order to retreat, which his men gladly executed.

Hanas, on 04 February 2016 - 05:37 PM, said:

In summary: I'm a scout. My night action allows me to see whether someone is on the other faction to mine; part of the reason why I'm pretty sure there isn't a third faction is because it expressly implies it only works on the other team. And no, I didn't actually use it on Kadagar; I was hoping voting for him would help me figure out which way the wind was going to blow and try and identify some people.
It's not been hugely successful, though.
Remove vote

I will give you this. That does seem to correspond to the night scene. But why you would mention something with out having any info makes no sense at all. You went fishing at night and got blocked then tried to go fishing during the day. Just seems like a lose lose scenario. You don't seem like your stupid so I have to assume that there is some kind of alter motive to doing a reveal. But the only one that I can see is that you are bored with the game and want to be lynched. Personally I dislike finders in faction games.

Why do you think it is that scene? I actually read it as him being in the other scene where scouts are actually mentioned?

[Telas]

I'm heading that way as well.

[Denesmet]

Ultama, on 04 February 2016 - 06:48 PM, said:

Unless something else weird and off the wall happens I will vote for Hanas today.

Yeah, I'm pretty much in this boat too... It's going to take something pretty good to move me off a Hanas vote.

[Eloth]

Path-Shaper, on 04 February 2016 - 08:11 AM, said:

The marching for the Takeda is becoming monotonous, but tensions are rising because they know the enemy is close. Early contact by scouts makes it clear the Uesugi are in place, or very soon will be. Battle is imminent, and the foot soldiers are keeping their eyes and ears open. The accidental death of Oyamada has them further on edge. The Takeda generals hope that the battle begins soon, before debilitating anxiety takes hold.

This one also mentions scouting.

[Telas]

Eloth, on 04 February 2016 - 06:50 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 04 February 2016 - 08:11 AM, said:

The marching for the Takeda is becoming monotonous, but tensions are rising because they know the enemy is close. Early contact by scouts makes it clear the Uesugi are in place, or very soon will be. Battle is imminent, and the foot soldiers are keeping their eyes and ears open. The accidental death of Oyamada has them further on edge. The Takeda generals hope that the battle begins soon, before debilitating anxiety takes hold.

This one also mentions scouting.

IIRC he said his name was mentioned in a scene.

[Eloth]

Yeah, definitely tempted to vote him cause his play is sketchy. It's certainly an easy vote. I'm not sure how a useful a vote it is though.

[Korlat]

Eloth, on 04 February 2016 - 06:54 PM, said:

Yeah, definitely tempted to vote him cause his play is sketchy. It's certainly an easy vote. I'm not sure how a useful a vote it is though.

Back for a bit, I don't really get the strategy behind Hanas's play either. Obviously it makes Hanas the easiest vote, and unless someone else does something crazy, or someone manages to make a really thorough case on someone(unlikely given that its only day 2 and the only revealing parts so far are reactions to the Ano and Fander cases, as well as reactions to hanas's reveal.

[Korlat]

Ultama, on 04 February 2016 - 06:47 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 03 February 2016 - 11:34 PM, said:

Suibara Takaeie led his raiding group of Uesugi closer to the river, keeping them within the trees and out of sight of the Takeda column. They would soon push forward in an attempt to take some of the straggling Takeda column by surprise.

Shouts of alarm suddenly sounded from his men as a group of Takeda troops, led by Kosaka Masanobu, burst from cover and engaged his men. Surprise lost, Takaeie gave the order to retreat, which his men gladly executed.

Hanas, on 04 February 2016 - 05:37 PM, said:

In summary: I'm a scout. My night action allows me to see whether someone is on the other faction to mine; part of the reason why I'm pretty sure there isn't a third faction is because it expressly implies it only works on the other team. And no, I didn't actually use it on Kadagar; I was hoping voting for him would help me figure out which way the wind was going to blow and try and identify some people.
It's not been hugely successful, though.
Remove vote

I will give you this. That does seem to correspond to the night scene. But why you would mention something with out having any info makes no sense at all. You went fishing at night and got blocked then tried to go fishing during the day. Just seems like a lose lose scenario. You don't seem like your stupid so I have to assume that there is some kind of alter motive to doing a reveal. But the only one that I can see is that you are bored with the game and want to be lynched. Personally I dislike finders in faction games.

I thought Hanas said he cleared someone else with his find, not that he got blocked by someone else. Unless you blocked him?

[Anomandaris]

Telas, on 04 February 2016 - 06:53 PM, said:

Eloth, on 04 February 2016 - 06:50 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 04 February 2016 - 08:11 AM, said:

The marching for the Takeda is becoming monotonous, but tensions are rising because they know the enemy is close. Early contact by scouts makes it clear the Uesugi are in place, or very soon will be. Battle is imminent, and the foot soldiers are keeping their eyes and ears open. The accidental death of Oyamada has them further on edge. The Takeda generals hope that the battle begins soon, before debilitating anxiety takes hold.

This one also mentions scouting.

IIRC he said his name was mentioned in a scene.

Which presumably means he's claiming to be Uesugi, because the Takeda guy in that scene doesn't seem particularly scout-like (judging from scene and their wiki page. I couldn't find info on the Uesugi guy).

But this is from the guy who didn't vote until the very end for Takeda Fanderay, and has today gone after someone who they presumably believed was high-ranking Uesugi, as they seemed to think Kadagar was 'followed' by lots of others in their vote.

So unless I've missed something, something in the reveal and/or general play seems dodgy there. Question is which part!

[Anomandaris]

Korlat, on 04 February 2016 - 06:59 PM, said:

Ultama, on 04 February 2016 - 06:47 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 03 February 2016 - 11:34 PM, said:

Suibara Takaeie led his raiding group of Uesugi closer to the river, keeping them within the trees and out of sight of the Takeda column. They would soon push forward in an attempt to take some of the straggling Takeda column by surprise.

Shouts of alarm suddenly sounded from his men as a group of Takeda troops, led by Kosaka Masanobu, burst from cover and engaged his men. Surprise lost, Takaeie gave the order to retreat, which his men gladly executed.

Hanas, on 04 February 2016 - 05:37 PM, said:

In summary: I'm a scout. My night action allows me to see whether someone is on the other faction to mine; part of the reason why I'm pretty sure there isn't a third faction is because it expressly implies it only works on the other team. And no, I didn't actually use it on Kadagar; I was hoping voting for him would help me figure out which way the wind was going to blow and try and identify some people.
It's not been hugely successful, though.
Remove vote

I will give you this. That does seem to correspond to the night scene. But why you would mention something with out having any info makes no sense at all. You went fishing at night and got blocked then tried to go fishing during the day. Just seems like a lose lose scenario. You don't seem like your stupid so I have to assume that there is some kind of alter motive to doing a reveal. But the only one that I can see is that you are bored with the game and want to be lynched. Personally I dislike finders in faction games.

I thought Hanas said he cleared someone else with his find, not that he got blocked by someone else. Unless you blocked him?

Ooh, interesting catch!

[Telas]

Everything is dodgy. Which is why he's probably heading for a noose.

[Telas]

Hanas, on 04 February 2016 - 05:37 PM, said:

Denul, on 04 February 2016 - 04:47 PM, said:

Anomandaris was the first person to vote for Fanderay. So the "pile on" as you call it Hanas happened from there. This is how the votes went down.

If anything, a "pile-on" would be Fanderay, Emurlahn and Hanas after the Eloth vote of Anomandaris.

Eloth > Anomandaris
Fanderay > Anomandaris
Emurlahn > Anomandaris
Hanas > Anomandaris

Merrid halts progress

Anomandaris > Fanderay
Kadagar Fant > Fanderay

The next person to vote after Kadagar is Merrid, who does not vote for Fanderay.

Merrid > Anomandaris

Grasp > Fanderay

Denul > Fanderay

Korlat > Hanas

Shadow > Fanderay

Emurlahn remove

Denesmet > Fanderay

Omtose > Fanderay

Hanas > remove vote

Hanas > Fanderay

Korlat > remove vote

Korlat > Fanderay

Korlat > remove vote

Korlat > Fanderay

Eloth > Korlat

Eloth > Remove vote

Eloth > Fanderay

Aparal Forge > Fanderay


I think what Hanas is suggesting that Kadagar could be a leader and that his minions followed, but that would just lead a trail right back to the leader. You could look at the Fanderay lynch as a swing away from Ano, and therefore Ano could be a leader, with Hanas' logic.

So i'm voting for Hanas, purely because of his "night action" and because he seems to have more information than the rest of us.

You're partially right there. I was more curious to see what would happen if I voted Kadagar; would people come out of the woodwork?
It hasn't really worked out, though.
I should probably not have mentioned my night action, but there we go.
In summary: I'm a scout. My night action allows me to see whether someone is on the other faction to mine; part of the reason why I'm pretty sure there isn't a third faction is because it expressly implies it only works on the other team. And no, I didn't actually use it on Kadagar; I was hoping voting for him would help me figure out which way the wind was going to blow and try and identify some people.
It's not been hugely successful, though.
Remove vote

Hmm.

[Eloth]

Anomandaris, on 04 February 2016 - 07:00 PM, said:

Telas, on 04 February 2016 - 06:53 PM, said:

Eloth, on 04 February 2016 - 06:50 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 04 February 2016 - 08:11 AM, said:

The marching for the Takeda is becoming monotonous, but tensions are rising because they know the enemy is close. Early contact by scouts makes it clear the Uesugi are in place, or very soon will be. Battle is imminent, and the foot soldiers are keeping their eyes and ears open. The accidental death of Oyamada has them further on edge. The Takeda generals hope that the battle begins soon, before debilitating anxiety takes hold.

This one also mentions scouting.

IIRC he said his name was mentioned in a scene.

Which presumably means he's claiming to be Uesugi, because the Takeda guy in that scene doesn't seem particularly scout-like (judging from scene and their wiki page. I couldn't find info on the Uesugi guy).

But this is from the guy who didn't vote until the very end for Takeda Fanderay, and has today gone after someone who they presumably believed was high-ranking Uesugi, as they seemed to think Kadagar was 'followed' by lots of others in their vote.

So unless I've missed something, something in the reveal and/or general play seems dodgy there. Question is which part!

Also, Hanas said that he was mentioned in a scene, but he didn't explicitly say he was mentioned by name.