[Grasp]

Anomandaris, on 04 February 2016 - 07:00 PM, said:

Telas, on 04 February 2016 - 06:53 PM, said:

Eloth, on 04 February 2016 - 06:50 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 04 February 2016 - 08:11 AM, said:

The marching for the Takeda is becoming monotonous, but tensions are rising because they know the enemy is close. Early contact by scouts makes it clear the Uesugi are in place, or very soon will be. Battle is imminent, and the foot soldiers are keeping their eyes and ears open. The accidental death of Oyamada has them further on edge. The Takeda generals hope that the battle begins soon, before debilitating anxiety takes hold.

This one also mentions scouting.

IIRC he said his name was mentioned in a scene.

Which presumably means he's claiming to be Uesugi, because the Takeda guy in that scene doesn't seem particularly scout-like (judging from scene and their wiki page. I couldn't find info on the Uesugi guy).

But this is from the guy who didn't vote until the very end for Takeda Fanderay, and has today gone after someone who they presumably believed was high-ranking Uesugi, as they seemed to think Kadagar was 'followed' by lots of others in their vote.

So unless I've missed something, something in the reveal and/or general play seems dodgy there. Question is which part!

And once again I read this as saying that the Takeda had sent out scouts and found the Uesugi. Making Hanas Takeda

[Telas]

Hanas, on 04 February 2016 - 01:33 AM, said:

The vote train in which everyone piled on Fandy after Kadagar, and also my night action cleared someone else I had a feeling about.
So I'm going to explore what happens when I vote Kadagar.

[Ultama]

Grasp, on 04 February 2016 - 06:49 PM, said:

Ultama, on 04 February 2016 - 06:47 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 03 February 2016 - 11:34 PM, said:

Suibara Takaeie led his raiding group of Uesugi closer to the river, keeping them within the trees and out of sight of the Takeda column. They would soon push forward in an attempt to take some of the straggling Takeda column by surprise.

Shouts of alarm suddenly sounded from his men as a group of Takeda troops, led by Kosaka Masanobu, burst from cover and engaged his men. Surprise lost, Takaeie gave the order to retreat, which his men gladly executed.

Hanas, on 04 February 2016 - 05:37 PM, said:

In summary: I'm a scout. My night action allows me to see whether someone is on the other faction to mine; part of the reason why I'm pretty sure there isn't a third faction is because it expressly implies it only works on the other team. And no, I didn't actually use it on Kadagar; I was hoping voting for him would help me figure out which way the wind was going to blow and try and identify some people.
It's not been hugely successful, though.
Remove vote

I will give you this. That does seem to correspond to the night scene. But why you would mention something with out having any info makes no sense at all. You went fishing at night and got blocked then tried to go fishing during the day. Just seems like a lose lose scenario. You don't seem like your stupid so I have to assume that there is some kind of alter motive to doing a reveal. But the only one that I can see is that you are bored with the game and want to be lynched. Personally I dislike finders in faction games.

Why do you think it is that scene? I actually read it as him being in the other scene where scouts are actually mentioned?

Yeah but those weren't night scenes. There is only one night scene. So IF he is telling the truth about a night action, then the night scene which is what I posted, backs up his claim that he is a scout. That other scene talked about the early contact between scouts as in that it had already happened. Which since this scene came after the night scene.

Path-Shaper, on 04 February 2016 - 08:11 AM, said:

The marching for the Takeda is becoming monotonous, but tensions are rising because they know the enemy is close. Early contact by scouts makes it clear the Uesugi are in place, or very soon will be. Battle is imminent, and the foot soldiers are keeping their eyes and ears open. The accidental death of Oyamada has them further on edge. The Takeda generals hope that the battle begins soon, before debilitating anxiety takes hold.

[Eloth]

So, Hanas is either Uesugi or Takeda. Narrowed that one down nicely.

[Korlat]

Eloth, on 04 February 2016 - 07:10 PM, said:

So, Hanas is either Uesugi or Takeda. Narrowed that one down nicely.

Unless someone else comes up as a good lynch target I guess we'll find out soon enough.

[Telas]

Eloth, on 04 February 2016 - 07:10 PM, said:

So, Hanas is either Uesugi or Takeda. Narrowed that one down nicely.

Secret Chinese Ninja.

[Ultama]

Korlat, on 04 February 2016 - 06:59 PM, said:

Ultama, on 04 February 2016 - 06:47 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 03 February 2016 - 11:34 PM, said:

Suibara Takaeie led his raiding group of Uesugi closer to the river, keeping them within the trees and out of sight of the Takeda column. They would soon push forward in an attempt to take some of the straggling Takeda column by surprise.

Shouts of alarm suddenly sounded from his men as a group of Takeda troops, led by Kosaka Masanobu, burst from cover and engaged his men. Surprise lost, Takaeie gave the order to retreat, which his men gladly executed.

Hanas, on 04 February 2016 - 05:37 PM, said:

In summary: I'm a scout. My night action allows me to see whether someone is on the other faction to mine; part of the reason why I'm pretty sure there isn't a third faction is because it expressly implies it only works on the other team. And no, I didn't actually use it on Kadagar; I was hoping voting for him would help me figure out which way the wind was going to blow and try and identify some people.
It's not been hugely successful, though.
Remove vote

I will give you this. That does seem to correspond to the night scene. But why you would mention something with out having any info makes no sense at all. You went fishing at night and got blocked then tried to go fishing during the day. Just seems like a lose lose scenario. You don't seem like your stupid so I have to assume that there is some kind of alter motive to doing a reveal. But the only one that I can see is that you are bored with the game and want to be lynched. Personally I dislike finders in faction games.

I thought Hanas said he cleared someone else with his find, not that he got blocked by someone else. Unless you blocked him?

He said that he was a scout and did a night action. He didn't say if it was successful or not. I used some reading skills and looked at the night scene where one scouting party was blocked from anything by a surprise ambush from the other side. Which IF you believe that he had a night action then according to the scene it was blocked.

But you know I have minimal reading comprehension skills so that could be totally off.

[Ultama]

Grasp, on 04 February 2016 - 07:06 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on 04 February 2016 - 07:00 PM, said:

Telas, on 04 February 2016 - 06:53 PM, said:

Eloth, on 04 February 2016 - 06:50 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 04 February 2016 - 08:11 AM, said:

The marching for the Takeda is becoming monotonous, but tensions are rising because they know the enemy is close. Early contact by scouts makes it clear the Uesugi are in place, or very soon will be. Battle is imminent, and the foot soldiers are keeping their eyes and ears open. The accidental death of Oyamada has them further on edge. The Takeda generals hope that the battle begins soon, before debilitating anxiety takes hold.

This one also mentions scouting.

IIRC he said his name was mentioned in a scene.

Which presumably means he's claiming to be Uesugi, because the Takeda guy in that scene doesn't seem particularly scout-like (judging from scene and their wiki page. I couldn't find info on the Uesugi guy).

But this is from the guy who didn't vote until the very end for Takeda Fanderay, and has today gone after someone who they presumably believed was high-ranking Uesugi, as they seemed to think Kadagar was 'followed' by lots of others in their vote.

So unless I've missed something, something in the reveal and/or general play seems dodgy there. Question is which part!

And once again I read this as saying that the Takeda had sent out scouts and found the Uesugi. Making Hanas Takeda

That is what I thought as well. Which would also make sense from an action stand point. The scene follows the one initiating the action and then only introduces the person who blocked the action or interfered with it when the initiator makes contact with them.

But like I said I have minimal reading comprehension. Obviously the frantic posters would have read that and reached the right conclusion.

[Korlat]

Ultama, on 04 February 2016 - 07:19 PM, said:

Korlat, on 04 February 2016 - 06:59 PM, said:

Ultama, on 04 February 2016 - 06:47 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 03 February 2016 - 11:34 PM, said:

Suibara Takaeie led his raiding group of Uesugi closer to the river, keeping them within the trees and out of sight of the Takeda column. They would soon push forward in an attempt to take some of the straggling Takeda column by surprise.

Shouts of alarm suddenly sounded from his men as a group of Takeda troops, led by Kosaka Masanobu, burst from cover and engaged his men. Surprise lost, Takaeie gave the order to retreat, which his men gladly executed.

Hanas, on 04 February 2016 - 05:37 PM, said:

In summary: I'm a scout. My night action allows me to see whether someone is on the other faction to mine; part of the reason why I'm pretty sure there isn't a third faction is because it expressly implies it only works on the other team. And no, I didn't actually use it on Kadagar; I was hoping voting for him would help me figure out which way the wind was going to blow and try and identify some people.
It's not been hugely successful, though.
Remove vote

I will give you this. That does seem to correspond to the night scene. But why you would mention something with out having any info makes no sense at all. You went fishing at night and got blocked then tried to go fishing during the day. Just seems like a lose lose scenario. You don't seem like your stupid so I have to assume that there is some kind of alter motive to doing a reveal. But the only one that I can see is that you are bored with the game and want to be lynched. Personally I dislike finders in faction games.

I thought Hanas said he cleared someone else with his find, not that he got blocked by someone else. Unless you blocked him?

He said that he was a scout and did a night action. He didn't say if it was successful or not. I used some reading skills and looked at the night scene where one scouting party was blocked from anything by a surprise ambush from the other side. Which IF you believe that he had a night action then according to the scene it was blocked.

But you know I have minimal reading comprehension skills so that could be totally off.

I see where you're coming from, but now reading back over what he said then there's two possibilities. 1, as you say, he got blocked, or 2, as he claims, he cleared someone else. I have no idea which one it is, because the scene could be showing him being blocked, or the other unit attacking him could be the person he was scouting (so he'd know who they were.)

[Telas]

Telas, on 04 February 2016 - 07:07 PM, said:

Hanas, on 04 February 2016 - 01:33 AM, said:

The vote train in which everyone piled on Fandy after Kadagar, and also my night action cleared someone else I had a feeling about.
So I'm going to explore what happens when I vote Kadagar.

Ultama, on 04 February 2016 - 07:19 PM, said:

Korlat, on 04 February 2016 - 06:59 PM, said:

Ultama, on 04 February 2016 - 06:47 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 03 February 2016 - 11:34 PM, said:

Suibara Takaeie led his raiding group of Uesugi closer to the river, keeping them within the trees and out of sight of the Takeda column. They would soon push forward in an attempt to take some of the straggling Takeda column by surprise.

Shouts of alarm suddenly sounded from his men as a group of Takeda troops, led by Kosaka Masanobu, burst from cover and engaged his men. Surprise lost, Takaeie gave the order to retreat, which his men gladly executed.

Hanas, on 04 February 2016 - 05:37 PM, said:

In summary: I'm a scout. My night action allows me to see whether someone is on the other faction to mine; part of the reason why I'm pretty sure there isn't a third faction is because it expressly implies it only works on the other team. And no, I didn't actually use it on Kadagar; I was hoping voting for him would help me figure out which way the wind was going to blow and try and identify some people.
It's not been hugely successful, though.
Remove vote

I will give you this. That does seem to correspond to the night scene. But why you would mention something with out having any info makes no sense at all. You went fishing at night and got blocked then tried to go fishing during the day. Just seems like a lose lose scenario. You don't seem like your stupid so I have to assume that there is some kind of alter motive to doing a reveal. But the only one that I can see is that you are bored with the game and want to be lynched. Personally I dislike finders in faction games.

I thought Hanas said he cleared someone else with his find, not that he got blocked by someone else. Unless you blocked him?

He said that he was a scout and did a night action. He didn't say if it was successful or not. I used some reading skills and looked at the night scene where one scouting party was blocked from anything by a surprise ambush from the other side. Which IF you believe that he had a night action then according to the scene it was blocked.

But you know I have minimal reading comprehension skills so that could be totally off.

See above.

[Denesmet]

Ultama, on 04 February 2016 - 07:19 PM, said:

He said that he was a scout and did a night action. He didn't say if it was successful or not. I used some reading skills and looked at the night scene where one scouting party was blocked from anything by a surprise ambush from the other side. Which IF you believe that he had a night action then according to the scene it was blocked.

But you know I have minimal reading comprehension skills so that could be totally off.

That's actually a good point - I was working on the belief that he had done a night action that failed, but upon closer reading, I see that Ultama is right, he never said whether or not he used his NA, only that he had one.

[Ultama]

Telas, on 04 February 2016 - 07:07 PM, said:

Hanas, on 04 February 2016 - 01:33 AM, said:

The vote train in which everyone piled on Fandy after Kadagar, and also my night action cleared someone else I had a feeling about.
So I'm going to explore what happens when I vote Kadagar.

Yeah that isn't what you see in the night scene which ps said contains clues. In the night scene the scout is rebuffed.

[Telas]

... but he did claim he was successful. Now whether that's the truth is a different story.

[Denesmet]

Telas, on 04 February 2016 - 07:23 PM, said:

Telas, on 04 February 2016 - 07:07 PM, said:

Hanas, on 04 February 2016 - 01:33 AM, said:

The vote train in which everyone piled on Fandy after Kadagar, and also my night action cleared someone else I had a feeling about.
So I'm going to explore what happens when I vote Kadagar.

Ultama, on 04 February 2016 - 07:19 PM, said:

Korlat, on 04 February 2016 - 06:59 PM, said:

Ultama, on 04 February 2016 - 06:47 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 03 February 2016 - 11:34 PM, said:

Suibara Takaeie led his raiding group of Uesugi closer to the river, keeping them within the trees and out of sight of the Takeda column. They would soon push forward in an attempt to take some of the straggling Takeda column by surprise.

Shouts of alarm suddenly sounded from his men as a group of Takeda troops, led by Kosaka Masanobu, burst from cover and engaged his men. Surprise lost, Takaeie gave the order to retreat, which his men gladly executed.

Hanas, on 04 February 2016 - 05:37 PM, said:

In summary: I'm a scout. My night action allows me to see whether someone is on the other faction to mine; part of the reason why I'm pretty sure there isn't a third faction is because it expressly implies it only works on the other team. And no, I didn't actually use it on Kadagar; I was hoping voting for him would help me figure out which way the wind was going to blow and try and identify some people.
It's not been hugely successful, though.
Remove vote

I will give you this. That does seem to correspond to the night scene. But why you would mention something with out having any info makes no sense at all. You went fishing at night and got blocked then tried to go fishing during the day. Just seems like a lose lose scenario. You don't seem like your stupid so I have to assume that there is some kind of alter motive to doing a reveal. But the only one that I can see is that you are bored with the game and want to be lynched. Personally I dislike finders in faction games.

I thought Hanas said he cleared someone else with his find, not that he got blocked by someone else. Unless you blocked him?

He said that he was a scout and did a night action. He didn't say if it was successful or not. I used some reading skills and looked at the night scene where one scouting party was blocked from anything by a surprise ambush from the other side. Which IF you believe that he had a night action then according to the scene it was blocked.

But you know I have minimal reading comprehension skills so that could be totally off.

See above.

Yeah, but then he says the following when we all pressed him:

Hanas, on 04 February 2016 - 05:37 PM, said:

You're partially right there. I was more curious to see what would happen if I voted Kadagar; would people come out of the woodwork?
It hasn't really worked out, though.
I should probably not have mentioned my night action, but there we go.
In summary: I'm a scout. My night action allows me to see whether someone is on the other faction to mine; part of the reason why I'm pretty sure there isn't a third faction is because it expressly implies it only works on the other team. And no, I didn't actually use it on Kadagar; I was hoping voting for him would help me figure out which way the wind was going to blow and try and identify some people.
It's not been hugely successful, though.
Remove vote

To me that reads as "Haha, just kidding, I didn't use my action, was just trying to cause some pressure!"

[Eloth]

Anomandaris, on 04 February 2016 - 07:00 PM, said:

But this is from the guy who didn't vote until the very end for Takeda Fanderay, and has today gone after someone who they presumably believed was high-ranking Uesugi, as they seemed to think Kadagar was 'followed' by lots of others in their vote.

Those things might not be meaningful though, it depends on knowledge.

[Omtose]

I differ regarding the Night Scene.

Its a raiding group, not a scouting group. They got intercepted by another force before they could ambush the main force. That intercepting force is the scout. It makes sense that the scout would be on the fringes of the main group and would detect the raiding party

So Hanas is a Takeda.

[Telas]

Fuck it.

Unless something dramatic happens I'm not going to change my mind. Too much confusion that needs settled.

Vote Hanas

[Ultama]

Hanas, on 04 February 2016 - 06:15 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on 04 February 2016 - 06:03 PM, said:

Eloth, on 04 February 2016 - 06:01 PM, said:

Not sure if it's a bold strategy or just a wtf strategy. Really not sure I believe that reveal. What sort of finder reveals when they've no useful information and are under no pressure?

Well, people did ask, heh.

Also, I was mentioned in the scene, so I figured if I didn't reveal now, somebody would work it out sooner or later.

If he was mentioned in the scene then the only scenes that state someone are the night scene and EM's death scene. Now he could have gotten information but reading the night scene it looks like a block to me.

[Omtose]

At this point I think the only thing this Hanas situation has achieved is confuse everybody and derail discussion on any other aspect. I don;t think it was done to take heat off anybody as nobody was really under pressure. But it could be a time buying tactic to maybe let another faction member get proper time to use an ability?

If Hanas is a finder, he finds an important enemy member. He votes that person as a clear signal to his faction then confusingly reveals stuff to keep us guessing and going in circles. Meanwhile another faction member who has a NK can lie low and take out Hanas' find the next night

Hanas is basically sacrificing himself so maybe its a really big find.

Well that's all I have. By my calculation we still have 16 hours, so not going to vote now.

[Denesmet]

Telas, on 04 February 2016 - 07:28 PM, said:

Fuck it.

Unless something dramatic happens I'm not going to change my mind. Too much confusion that needs settled.

Vote Hanas

I'm gonna let more of the day pass before dropping a vote, but as I've already said, this is the direction I'm leaning towards.

If we don't just lynch Hanas now, we're always gonna have his posts niggling at the back of our heads.