[Merrid]

Lock, on 30 November 2015 - 09:39 PM, said:

Merrid, on 30 November 2015 - 09:27 PM, said:

That's not much of a defense to be fair. Although you do "sound" reasonable. You're not defensive per say. The whole post felt like a shrug.

Yet the end bit was juxtaposed to the rest. "You looked at me so I'm going to look at you", wow that's astute of you. The end bit looks quite Omgus.

I don't have any thing to defend nor any reason to be defensive. Your vote is pretty baseless and looks to be more of a way to get me more involved in the game. Fair enough.

But if something of mine strikes your fancy then you can't blame me for looking at you when something of yours strikes my fancy. Of course it is OMGUS. Doesn't mean that it isn't valid now does it.

As a town player we have got to explore the possibility of each player being scum. Throughout the game I've put my thoughts down on a few players. You haven't. Yet the minute I vote for you, you do an Omgus.

You've not mentioned other players at all. What's that say about your behaviour?

[Lock]

Merrid, on 30 November 2015 - 09:38 PM, said:

Wow. So that is actually a big Omgus. Sitting there nice and quiet until you receive a vote from me hey. Well here is my post that states I'm leaving my vote where it is. At the time at least half of the alts had not voted.

Merrid, on 24 November 2015 - 10:41 PM, said:

Plenty of players not voting here. I'm leaving my vote where it is.

For me it's like the Monty Hall Problem. Sticking with the first choice, after another has presented itself, gives less probability that he'll turn out scum.

Here is grasps reveal. I'm tucked away in bed at this time and you can see I don't post until the next day. I've left my suspicions down on thread and I've voted. What more can I do?

Grasp, on 24 November 2015 - 11:57 PM, said:

Denesmet, on 24 November 2015 - 11:51 PM, said:

Grasp, on 24 November 2015 - 11:49 PM, said:

Denesmet, on 24 November 2015 - 11:41 PM, said:

And onto the non sequitur phase of avoiding the noose.

And you know what comes next.

Acceptance?

Your way with words is going to get me killed.

It will cost the town a roled player.

I don't see your point about the ketchup. WE KNOW FROM THE OP THAT SCUM IS STEAK. Red sauce is tied to fries. It only stands to reason that ketchup is town affiliated. Blend likes to add different roles to town and in this game it looks like vigs.

I think you know this but are playing dumb or your scum and you haven't thought of the possibility.

So you think that Gasp who cfed as a packet of ketchup which is not scum. So must be a town role was killed by town. This after he claimed that he had a town role.

I read that as ketchup and Steaks as both killing last night. Gasp came back as Ketchup which means that another ketchup would have had to have killed him. Do you think that Gasp killed himself? Thus my false flag comment.

Why do you think that scum would have targeted Hanas? Someone who was suspected of being a symp? What would be in it for scum to do that. Better to keep him around and see. If I was a town vig I would want to remove Hanas from the equation. At best hanas might have been a scum at worst a town who we would have spent today attempting to lynch.

It has been my experience that if someone reveals as a roled player they are most likely going to get targeted by scum. Gasp under pressure from you said that he was a roled town. Why would another roled town kill him? Scum would want him dead.

Your conclusions show a significant lack of understanding for traditional mafia actions and reactions. Thus my suggestion that you are attempting to be deliberately misleading.

[Lock]

Merrid, on 30 November 2015 - 09:48 PM, said:

Lock, on 30 November 2015 - 09:39 PM, said:

Merrid, on 30 November 2015 - 09:27 PM, said:

That's not much of a defense to be fair. Although you do "sound" reasonable. You're not defensive per say. The whole post felt like a shrug.

Yet the end bit was juxtaposed to the rest. "You looked at me so I'm going to look at you", wow that's astute of you. The end bit looks quite Omgus.

I don't have any thing to defend nor any reason to be defensive. Your vote is pretty baseless and looks to be more of a way to get me more involved in the game. Fair enough.

But if something of mine strikes your fancy then you can't blame me for looking at you when something of yours strikes my fancy. Of course it is OMGUS. Doesn't mean that it isn't valid now does it.

As a town player we have got to explore the possibility of each player being scum. Throughout the game I've put my thoughts down on a few players. You haven't. Yet the minute I vote for you, you do an Omgus.

You've not mentioned other players at all. What's that say about your behaviour?

That this game started on a short week and I had family at my house for thanksgiving. Oh and since it was a short week I had a ton of work to do. Much like how today my posting window is short. Tons of other work that I need to do to make up for the fact that last week was short. It also says that I have my priorities in the right order.

I have mentioned other players. For instance I said that Ultimas write up on the interactions between Telas and Denesment is very interesting. I think that you need to stop and take a look in your mirror. Perhaps you should ask yourself if being super aggressive and stubborn is a good way to play mafia or is it as evidence would indicate a good way to get a town player dead.

I like that you want more players to be involved. But due to your own admitted stubbornness. See below

Merrid, on 24 November 2015 - 10:41 PM, said:

Plenty of players not voting here. I'm leaving my vote where it is.

For me it's like the Monty Hall Problem. Sticking with the first choice, after another has presented itself, gives less probability that he'll turn out scum.

You are showing an inflexibility to understand the game. Thus to me that makes you a liability if you are town and dangerous if you are scum. Hence why I am liking my vote. Even if it is a OMGUS vote.

[Merrid]

[Quote]
When daylight comes, there are two dead frites,

one of them covered in ketchup, the other rips to shreds, dripping in steak juice.

Grasp has been killed. He was Bubba and a Packet of Ketchup.
Hanas has been killed. He was Gnaw and a Roleless Innocent, a Frite.

My thoughts which I was hoping to hash out with someone were that the order of what PS says. One covered in ketchup and then we get grasp cf. One dripping in juice then we get Hanas.

If we have 2 town vigs and one says they have a role and the other doesn't believe them then that coukd have happened. It may have been good for scum to kill Hanas so we lynch grasp today except they didn't plan for grasp being vigged. Yes it could have been the other way round.

Am I focused on that? No. Did I use that in my case against you? No.

Yet you bringing it up turns the argument on its head and pushes us towards wifom territory.

Biggest change on this game day from any alt is that of you after receiving one vote. For now I am happy voting for you.

[Kadagar Fant]

So we have only a few hours left and not much more than a pissing match going on today. I started to string some quotes together but reached the limit so this will be a few posts...

[Merrid]

We definitely need to agree on a target. I'm happy my vote brought lock out of the woodwork but I don't see him being lynched today.

[Kadagar Fant]

Korlat, on 24 November 2015 - 10:34 AM, said:

Kadagar Fant, on 24 November 2015 - 05:37 AM, said:

Didn't realize the game started... Let me read up.

Likewise. Oh well, here now. Seems everyone is happy to put the info that could be put in one post into five. Because, you know, post count is important.

Korlat, on 25 November 2015 - 01:50 PM, said:

Merrid, on 24 November 2015 - 08:09 PM, said:

Ultama, on 24 November 2015 - 03:05 PM, said:

Korlat, on 24 November 2015 - 10:34 AM, said:

Kadagar Fant, on 24 November 2015 - 05:37 AM, said:

Didn't realize the game started... Let me read up.

Likewise. Oh well, here now. Seems everyone is happy to put the info that could be put in one post into five. Because, you know, post count is important.

Nothing unusual with thatBut you seem to be trying to look like you're adding some content though you're certainly not.

Same issue I have with Kadagar rests on Korlat aswel.

Yeah, I ahve way less time on my hands than I expected. The curse of a busy job, and yes, I didn't provide any content. You want me to post my thoughts?There could be plenty of reasons for the AF-Hanas spat, which started with Hanas having a hard-on for AF and now AF got lynched.... and some of these possible reasons might not even game-related. Basically what we did though, is run yet again with a signalling case like its amateur hour. I might have to swallow my foot here if AF does come up as scum, but I completely agree with Demesnet when he states

Denesmet, on 24 November 2015 - 04:45 PM, said:

vote grasp. For suggesting a paired scum mechanic that requires signaling to identify each other while not seeing the logical fallacy of his purposefully misleading speculation.

The spat resulting from that is extremely interesting. Denesmet has the better of Grasp in a battle of one-liners, and the participation of others on the sidelines is pretty telling. KF tries returning the focus away from Grasp back onto AF with nary a mention for the debate happening under his eyes could be seen as defusing. Ultama saying Demesnet is 'too eager' definitely is.Grasp comes back at Telas and Merrid, calling them Denesmet's sheep, after which Ultama (him again) comes up with this gem:

Ultama, on 24 November 2015 - 09:41 PM, said:

Merrid, on 24 November 2015 - 08:14 PM, said:

Denesmet, on 24 November 2015 - 04:45 PM, said:

vote grasp. For suggesting a paired scum mechanic that requires signaling to identify each other while not seeing the logical fallacy of his purposefully misleading speculation.

Denesmet, on 24 November 2015 - 05:40 PM, said:

When is fake signaling or joke voting each other advantageous for both parties concerned? And off thread coms to discuss this action beforehand? Logic fail. Seems like you are digging for a rational rationale and coming up with cat shit.

Denesmet, on 24 November 2015 - 05:50 PM, said:

Looking for someone overdoing the townie angle and using poor mechanistic speculation to buff up their street cred. You fit the bill.Voting for someone before they are on thread stands out. Roled players stereotypically are more careful. More logical, AF is at the start of the player list.

Which is basically why I agree with Denesmet. He says it a lot better and I'd the best case out there at present.remove voteVote grasp

Yeah Grasp's theory surely has some holes...or black holes....But he's not saying "hey, this is how it is, theyre scum, lynch them now!", he just threw it out as an idea, not real caseDen is making a mountain out of a molehill, and he is too eager into it

Ultama then responds by saying he is willing to lynch Hanas, implicating he is against a Grasp lynch. Why?Then two lines underneath, KF mentions that AF is the best case and calls Denesmet a symp for attacking Grasp, and then we get this:

Grasp, on 24 November 2015 - 11:57 PM, said:

It will cost the town a roled player.

Dramatic. As Denesmet concludes, if the reveal is believed by scum to be true, Grasp ought to die. If he doesn't, then what? Is he scum? Or will he opt for the age old Wifom defense - "they want you guys to waste a lynch on me!" .... which is a bogus argument, considering that if Grasp is roled and doesn't reveal a role, he could be a finder, and which scum lets a finder run around unchecked?And finally:

Kadagar Fant, on 25 November 2015 - 01:59 AM, said:

Back home and will try to be around till timeout. Denesmet, what is with the Hanas vote? You've been trying to get everyone to vote anywhere but AF, but I missed your case there.

Concluding, KF & Ultama have been very defensive of Grasp before he claimed roled townie, and tried what they could to brand the person attacking Grasp to be overly aggressive and single minded. Even after Demesnet removed, we see the same people attack.I think there's plenty of smoke, and probably a fire.

Korlat, on 25 November 2015 - 03:11 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 25 November 2015 - 02:47 PM, said:

During the night, the steaks and packets of ketchup roam the dinner plate, out for some blood. Most of the Frites keep to their side of the dish, but two brave the middle of the dinner plate.When daylight comes, there are two dead frites, one of them covered in ketchup, the other rips to shreds, dripping in steak juice.Grasp has been killed. He was Bubba and a Packet of Ketchup.Hanas has been killed. He was Gnaw and a Roleless Innocent, a Frite.

Well, that shoe I mentioned is now firmly lodged in my mouth.

[Lock]

Merrid, on 30 November 2015 - 09:48 PM, said:

....

Yet the minute I vote for you, you do an Omgus.

......

This is an attempt at strawmanning. You laid our reasons for voting for me in this post.

Merrid, on 30 November 2015 - 05:41 PM, said:

But now he says he'd rather vote Hanas when earlier he thought nothing of their behaviour other than day one trash.

The above his is the sum of Locks play and I don't think that's good enough for town and looks scummy in its own right.

vote lock

I got on to the thread for the first time since the break at this post.

Lock, on 30 November 2015 - 08:46 PM, said:

Ok. Well that is fair.

I dislike it when someone says that they see something then assumes that everyone else will. If you see something point it out don't go Oh I think I see something. So I asked him to point it out. Less room for issues.

As for the vote for Aparal rather then hanas. Both were crap reasons. I wasn't going to vote for gasp after he claimed to have been a towns role. Which with the amount of time left in the day left just a vote for aparal for a lynch. Regular town behavior to me. Of course I don't have your great track record in predicting and seeing scum behavior. But since your looking at it I guess it is only fair that I take a look at you.

Notice that there is almost 4 hours between when you voted for me and when got on and posted. It is a nice attempt at making me look to other players like I was hovering over the thread and only posting when I saw someone vote for me. When the facts do not support that at all. Instead I get on and see that you have voted for me. Well that is something that deserves a defense. You did go to the trouble of attempting to make a case after all. Which I am fine with defending but I will not have you attempt to strawman me.

Strawmanning is scum behavior.

[Kadagar Fant]

So OE and Fandaray both claim sick which I find doubtful, but I'm willing to see if tgey "get better". Lock claims he low posted due to the holiday.
But Korlat seems to have just posted fluff with no interest in voting or finding scum.

vote Korlat

[Lock]

Merrid, on 30 November 2015 - 10:02 PM, said:

Quote

When daylight comes, there are two dead frites,

one of them covered in ketchup, the other rips to shreds, dripping in steak juice.

Grasp has been killed. He was Bubba and a Packet of Ketchup.
Hanas has been killed. He was Gnaw and a Roleless Innocent, a Frite.

My thoughts which I was hoping to hash out with someone were that the order of what PS says. One covered in ketchup and then we get grasp cf. One dripping in juice then we get Hanas.

If we have 2 town vigs and one says they have a role and the other doesn't believe them then that coukd have happened. It may have been good for scum to kill Hanas so we lynch grasp today except they didn't plan for grasp being vigged. Yes it could have been the other way round.

Am I focused on that? No. Did I use that in my case against you? No.

Yet you bringing it up turns the argument on its head and pushes us towards wifom territory.

Biggest change on this game day from any alt is that of you after receiving one vote. For now I am happy voting for you.

Why would you bring up something that you had posted in your case against me?


Also learn how to close a quote.

[Gnaw]

It is Day 2. 4 hours and 17 minutes remaining
10 Players still alive: Denesmet, Fanderay, Kadagar Fant, Korlat, Lock, Merrid, Olar Ethil, Shadow, Telas, Ultama

6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Fanderay ( Telas )
1 Vote for Korlat ( Kadagar Fant )
1 Vote for Merrid ( Lock )
1 Vote for Lock ( Merrid )

Players not voted: Denesmet, Fanderay, Korlat, Olar Ethil, Shadow, Ultama

[Merrid]

Lock, on 30 November 2015 - 10:09 PM, said:

Merrid, on 30 November 2015 - 09:48 PM, said:

....

Yet the minute I vote for you, you do an Omgus.

......

This is an attempt at strawmanning. You laid our reasons for voting for me in this post.

Merrid, on 30 November 2015 - 05:41 PM, said:

But now he says he'd rather vote Hanas when earlier he thought nothing of their behaviour other than day one trash.

The above his is the sum of Locks play and I don't think that's good enough for town and looks scummy in its own right.

vote lock

I got on to the thread for the first time since the break at this post.

Lock, on 30 November 2015 - 08:46 PM, said:

Ok. Well that is fair.

I dislike it when someone says that they see something then assumes that everyone else will. If you see something point it out don't go Oh I think I see something. So I asked him to point it out. Less room for issues.

As for the vote for Aparal rather then hanas. Both were crap reasons. I wasn't going to vote for gasp after he claimed to have been a towns role. Which with the amount of time left in the day left just a vote for aparal for a lynch. Regular town behavior to me. Of course I don't have your great track record in predicting and seeing scum behavior. But since your looking at it I guess it is only fair that I take a look at you.

Notice that there is almost 4 hours between when you voted for me and when got on and posted. It is a nice attempt at making me look to other players like I was hovering over the thread and only posting when I saw someone vote for me. When the facts do not support that at all. Instead I get on and see that you have voted for me. Well that is something that deserves a defense. You did go to the trouble of attempting to make a case after all. Which I am fine with defending but I will not have you attempt to strawman me.

Strawmanning is scum behavior.

I'll be honest. I don't know what a strawman is. I wouldn't know how to pull it off.

Regardless of time, your Omgus was well thought out. You created a case ffs ha.

[Merrid]

Lock, on 30 November 2015 - 10:12 PM, said:

Merrid, on 30 November 2015 - 10:02 PM, said:

Quote

When daylight comes, there are two dead frites,

one of them covered in ketchup, the other rips to shreds, dripping in steak juice.

Grasp has been killed. He was Bubba and a Packet of Ketchup.
Hanas has been killed. He was Gnaw and a Roleless Innocent, a Frite.

My thoughts which I was hoping to hash out with someone were that the order of what PS says. One covered in ketchup and then we get grasp cf. One dripping in juice then we get Hanas.

If we have 2 town vigs and one says they have a role and the other doesn't believe them then that coukd have happened. It may have been good for scum to kill Hanas so we lynch grasp today except they didn't plan for grasp being vigged. Yes it could have been the other way round.

Am I focused on that? No. Did I use that in my case against you? No.

Yet you bringing it up turns the argument on its head and pushes us towards wifom territory.

Biggest change on this game day from any alt is that of you after receiving one vote. For now I am happy voting for you.

Why would you bring up something that you had posted in your case against me?


Also learn how to close a quote.

This is in your case against me.

Ffs. Is this helpful to town? All you're doing is clogging up the end of day so there'll be no traction.

[Merrid]

Gnaw, on 30 November 2015 - 10:16 PM, said:

It is Day 2. 4 hours and 17 minutes remaining
10 Players still alive: Denesmet, Fanderay, Kadagar Fant, Korlat, Lock, Merrid, Olar Ethil, Shadow, Telas, Ultama

6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Fanderay ( Telas )
1 Vote for Korlat ( Kadagar Fant )
1 Vote for Merrid ( Lock )
1 Vote for Lock ( Merrid )

Players not voted: Denesmet, Fanderay, Korlat, Olar Ethil, Shadow, Ultama

vote korlat

I doubt we'll get enough interest.

[Merrid]

Sorry...

remove vote

Vote korlat

[Gnaw]

It is Day 2. 3 hours and 11 minutes remaining
10 Players still alive: Denesmet, Fanderay, Kadagar Fant, Korlat, Lock, Merrid, Olar Ethil, Shadow, Telas, Ultama

6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Fanderay ( Telas )
2 Votes for Korlat ( Kadagar Fant, Merrid )
1 Vote for Merrid ( Lock )

Players not voted: Denesmet, Fanderay, Korlat, Olar Ethil, Shadow, Ultama

[Shadow]

Reading up at the moment, I think instinctively I'd be down with either a Telas or Korlat vote.

[Shadow]

Actually, not sure I see scum posting this, as they would have known Grasp was town and therefore probably telling the truth.

Korlat, on 25 November 2015 - 01:50 PM, said:

Merrid, on 24 November 2015 - 08:09 PM, said:

Ultama, on 24 November 2015 - 03:05 PM, said:

Korlat, on 24 November 2015 - 10:34 AM, said:

Kadagar Fant, on 24 November 2015 - 05:37 AM, said:

Didn't realize the game started... Let me read up.

Likewise. Oh well, here now. Seems everyone is happy to put the info that could be put in one post into five. Because, you know, post count is important.

Nothing unusual with that

But you seem to be trying to look like you're adding some content though you're certainly not.

Same issue I have with Kadagar rests on Korlat aswel.

Yeah, I ahve way less time on my hands than I expected. The curse of a busy job, and yes, I didn't provide any content. You want me to post my thoughts?
There could be plenty of reasons for the AF-Hanas spat, which started with Hanas having a hard-on for AF and now AF got lynched.... and some of these possible reasons might not even game-related.

Basically what we did though, is run yet again with a signalling case like its amateur hour. I might have to swallow my foot here if AF does come up as scum, but I completely agree with Demesnet when he states

Denesmet, on 24 November 2015 - 04:45 PM, said:

vote grasp.

For suggesting a paired scum mechanic that requires signaling to identify each other while not seeing the logical fallacy of his purposefully misleading speculation.

The spat resulting from that is extremely interesting. Denesmet has the better of Grasp in a battle of one-liners, and the participation of others on the sidelines is pretty telling. KF tries returning the focus away from Grasp back onto AF with nary a mention for the debate happening under his eyes could be seen as defusing. Ultama saying Demesnet is 'too eager' definitely is.
Grasp comes back at Telas and Merrid, calling them Denesmet's sheep, after which Ultama (him again) comes up with this gem:

Ultama, on 24 November 2015 - 09:41 PM, said:

Merrid, on 24 November 2015 - 08:14 PM, said:

Denesmet, on 24 November 2015 - 04:45 PM, said:

vote grasp.

For suggesting a paired scum mechanic that requires signaling to identify each other while not seeing the logical fallacy of his purposefully misleading speculation.

Denesmet, on 24 November 2015 - 05:40 PM, said:

When is fake signaling or joke voting each other advantageous for both parties concerned? And off thread coms to discuss this action beforehand? Logic fail. Seems like you are digging for a rational rationale and coming up with cat shit.

Denesmet, on 24 November 2015 - 05:50 PM, said:

Looking for someone overdoing the townie angle and using poor mechanistic speculation to buff up their street cred. You fit the bill.

Voting for someone before they are on thread stands out. Roled players stereotypically are more careful. More logical, AF is at the start of the player list.

Which is basically why I agree with Denesmet. He says it a lot better and I'd the best case out there at present.

remove vote

Vote grasp

Yeah Grasp's theory surely has some holes...or black holes....


But he's not saying "hey, this is how it is, theyre scum, lynch them now!", he just threw it out as an idea, not real case

Den is making a mountain out of a molehill, and he is too eager into it

Ultama then responds by saying he is willing to lynch Hanas, implicating he is against a Grasp lynch. Why?
Then two lines underneath, KF mentions that AF is the best case and calls Denesmet a symp for attacking Grasp, and then we get this:

Grasp, on 24 November 2015 - 11:57 PM, said:

It will cost the town a roled player.

Dramatic. As Denesmet concludes, if the reveal is believed by scum to be true, Grasp ought to die. If he doesn't, then what? Is he scum? Or will he opt for the age old Wifom defense - "they want you guys to waste a lynch on me!" .... which is a bogus argument, considering that if Grasp is roled and doesn't reveal a role, he could be a finder, and which scum lets a finder run around unchecked?

And finally:

Kadagar Fant, on 25 November 2015 - 01:59 AM, said:

Back home and will try to be around till timeout. Denesmet, what is with the Hanas vote? You've been trying to get everyone to vote anywhere but AF, but I missed your case there.

Concluding, KF & Ultama have been very defensive of Grasp before he claimed roled townie, and tried what they could to brand the person attacking Grasp to be overly aggressive and single minded. Even after Demesnet removed, we see the same people attack.

I think there's plenty of smoke, and probably a fire.

[Kadagar Fant]

Shadow, on 01 December 2015 - 12:05 AM, said:

Actually, not sure I see scum posting this, as they would have known Grasp was town and therefore probably telling the truth.

Korlat, on 25 November 2015 - 01:50 PM, said:

Merrid, on 24 November 2015 - 08:09 PM, said:

Ultama, on 24 November 2015 - 03:05 PM, said:

Korlat, on 24 November 2015 - 10:34 AM, said:

Kadagar Fant, on 24 November 2015 - 05:37 AM, said:

Didn't realize the game started... Let me read up.

Likewise. Oh well, here now. Seems everyone is happy to put the info that could be put in one post into five. Because, you know, post count is important.

Nothing unusual with that

But you seem to be trying to look like you're adding some content though you're certainly not.

Same issue I have with Kadagar rests on Korlat aswel.

Yeah, I ahve way less time on my hands than I expected. The curse of a busy job, and yes, I didn't provide any content. You want me to post my thoughts?
There could be plenty of reasons for the AF-Hanas spat, which started with Hanas having a hard-on for AF and now AF got lynched.... and some of these possible reasons might not even game-related.

Basically what we did though, is run yet again with a signalling case like its amateur hour. I might have to swallow my foot here if AF does come up as scum, but I completely agree with Demesnet when he states

Denesmet, on 24 November 2015 - 04:45 PM, said:

vote grasp.

For suggesting a paired scum mechanic that requires signaling to identify each other while not seeing the logical fallacy of his purposefully misleading speculation.

The spat resulting from that is extremely interesting. Denesmet has the better of Grasp in a battle of one-liners, and the participation of others on the sidelines is pretty telling. KF tries returning the focus away from Grasp back onto AF with nary a mention for the debate happening under his eyes could be seen as defusing. Ultama saying Demesnet is 'too eager' definitely is.
Grasp comes back at Telas and Merrid, calling them Denesmet's sheep, after which Ultama (him again) comes up with this gem:

Ultama, on 24 November 2015 - 09:41 PM, said:

Merrid, on 24 November 2015 - 08:14 PM, said:

Denesmet, on 24 November 2015 - 04:45 PM, said:

vote grasp.

For suggesting a paired scum mechanic that requires signaling to identify each other while not seeing the logical fallacy of his purposefully misleading speculation.

Denesmet, on 24 November 2015 - 05:40 PM, said:

When is fake signaling or joke voting each other advantageous for both parties concerned? And off thread coms to discuss this action beforehand? Logic fail. Seems like you are digging for a rational rationale and coming up with cat shit.

Denesmet, on 24 November 2015 - 05:50 PM, said:

Looking for someone overdoing the townie angle and using poor mechanistic speculation to buff up their street cred. You fit the bill.

Voting for someone before they are on thread stands out. Roled players stereotypically are more careful. More logical, AF is at the start of the player list.

Which is basically why I agree with Denesmet. He says it a lot better and I'd the best case out there at present.

remove vote

Vote grasp

Yeah Grasp's theory surely has some holes...or black holes....


But he's not saying "hey, this is how it is, theyre scum, lynch them now!", he just threw it out as an idea, not real case

Den is making a mountain out of a molehill, and he is too eager into it

Ultama then responds by saying he is willing to lynch Hanas, implicating he is against a Grasp lynch. Why?
Then two lines underneath, KF mentions that AF is the best case and calls Denesmet a symp for attacking Grasp, and then we get this:

Grasp, on 24 November 2015 - 11:57 PM, said:

It will cost the town a roled player.

Dramatic. As Denesmet concludes, if the reveal is believed by scum to be true, Grasp ought to die. If he doesn't, then what? Is he scum? Or will he opt for the age old Wifom defense - "they want you guys to waste a lynch on me!" .... which is a bogus argument, considering that if Grasp is roled and doesn't reveal a role, he could be a finder, and which scum lets a finder run around unchecked?

And finally:

Kadagar Fant, on 25 November 2015 - 01:59 AM, said:

Back home and will try to be around till timeout. Denesmet, what is with the Hanas vote? You've been trying to get everyone to vote anywhere but AF, but I missed your case there.

Concluding, KF & Ultama have been very defensive of Grasp before he claimed roled townie, and tried what they could to brand the person attacking Grasp to be overly aggressive and single minded. Even after Demesnet removed, we see the same people attack.

I think there's plenty of smoke, and probably a fire.

So why did he post that AFTER the lynch?

[Fanderay]

Kadagar Fant, on 30 November 2015 - 10:11 PM, said:

So OE and Fandaray both claim sick which I find doubtful, but I'm willing to see if tgey "get better". Lock claims he low posted due to the holiday.
But Korlat seems to have just posted fluff with no interest in voting or finding scum.

vote Korlat

Sorry, quote me claiming sick, please. Overwork yes.

Regardless I am here in time this time.

Vote Korlat