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It is Day 2. 2 hours and 23 minutes remaining
10 Players still alive: Denesmet, Fanderay, Kadagar Fant, Korlat, Lock, Merrid, Olar Ethil, Shadow, Telas, Ultama
6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.
3 Votes for Korlat ( Kadagar Fant, Merrid, Fanderay )
1 Vote for Merrid ( Lock )
1 Vote for Fanderay ( Telas )
Players not voted: Denesmet, Korlat, Olar Ethil, Shadow, Ultama
Mafia 128.5 - Steak Frites Game Thread
#201
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Posted 01 December 2015 - 12:11 AM
"Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor Frankl
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Posted 01 December 2015 - 12:15 AM
Not enough posting from people to go on apart from thin suspicions unfortunately. I'll go with either Telas for their jumping on Grasp train and little else, or Lock because of their sudden spurt in posting once a case was made on them.
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Kadagar Fant, on 01 December 2015 - 12:09 AM, said:
Shadow, on 01 December 2015 - 12:05 AM, said:
Actually, not sure I see scum posting this, as they would have known Grasp was town and therefore probably telling the truth.
Yeah, I ahve way less time on my hands than I expected. The curse of a busy job, and yes, I didn't provide any content. You want me to post my thoughts?
There could be plenty of reasons for the AF-Hanas spat, which started with Hanas having a hard-on for AF and now AF got lynched.... and some of these possible reasons might not even game-related.
Basically what we did though, is run yet again with a signalling case like its amateur hour. I might have to swallow my foot here if AF does come up as scum, but I completely agree with Demesnet when he states
The spat resulting from that is extremely interesting. Denesmet has the better of Grasp in a battle of one-liners, and the participation of others on the sidelines is pretty telling. KF tries returning the focus away from Grasp back onto AF with nary a mention for the debate happening under his eyes could be seen as defusing. Ultama saying Demesnet is 'too eager' definitely is.
Grasp comes back at Telas and Merrid, calling them Denesmet's sheep, after which Ultama (him again) comes up with this gem:
Which is basically why I agree with Denesmet. He says it a lot better and I'd the best case out there at present.
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Vote grasp
Yeah Grasp's theory surely has some holes...or black holes....
But he's not saying "hey, this is how it is, theyre scum, lynch them now!", he just threw it out as an idea, not real case
Den is making a mountain out of a molehill, and he is too eager into it
Ultama then responds by saying he is willing to lynch Hanas, implicating he is against a Grasp lynch. Why?
Then two lines underneath, KF mentions that AF is the best case and calls Denesmet a symp for attacking Grasp, and then we get this:
It will cost the town a roled player.
Dramatic. As Denesmet concludes, if the reveal is believed by scum to be true, Grasp ought to die. If he doesn't, then what? Is he scum? Or will he opt for the age old Wifom defense - "they want you guys to waste a lynch on me!" .... which is a bogus argument, considering that if Grasp is roled and doesn't reveal a role, he could be a finder, and which scum lets a finder run around unchecked?
And finally:
Concluding, KF & Ultama have been very defensive of Grasp before he claimed roled townie, and tried what they could to brand the person attacking Grasp to be overly aggressive and single minded. Even after Demesnet removed, we see the same people attack.
I think there's plenty of smoke, and probably a fire.
Korlat, on 25 November 2015 - 01:50 PM, said:
Merrid, on 24 November 2015 - 08:09 PM, said:
Yeah, I ahve way less time on my hands than I expected. The curse of a busy job, and yes, I didn't provide any content. You want me to post my thoughts?
There could be plenty of reasons for the AF-Hanas spat, which started with Hanas having a hard-on for AF and now AF got lynched.... and some of these possible reasons might not even game-related.
Basically what we did though, is run yet again with a signalling case like its amateur hour. I might have to swallow my foot here if AF does come up as scum, but I completely agree with Demesnet when he states
Denesmet, on 24 November 2015 - 04:45 PM, said:
vote grasp.
For suggesting a paired scum mechanic that requires signaling to identify each other while not seeing the logical fallacy of his purposefully misleading speculation.
For suggesting a paired scum mechanic that requires signaling to identify each other while not seeing the logical fallacy of his purposefully misleading speculation.
The spat resulting from that is extremely interesting. Denesmet has the better of Grasp in a battle of one-liners, and the participation of others on the sidelines is pretty telling. KF tries returning the focus away from Grasp back onto AF with nary a mention for the debate happening under his eyes could be seen as defusing. Ultama saying Demesnet is 'too eager' definitely is.
Grasp comes back at Telas and Merrid, calling them Denesmet's sheep, after which Ultama (him again) comes up with this gem:
Ultama, on 24 November 2015 - 09:41 PM, said:
Merrid, on 24 November 2015 - 08:14 PM, said:
Denesmet, on 24 November 2015 - 04:45 PM, said:
vote grasp.
For suggesting a paired scum mechanic that requires signaling to identify each other while not seeing the logical fallacy of his purposefully misleading speculation.
For suggesting a paired scum mechanic that requires signaling to identify each other while not seeing the logical fallacy of his purposefully misleading speculation.
Denesmet, on 24 November 2015 - 05:40 PM, said:
When is fake signaling or joke voting each other advantageous for both parties concerned? And off thread coms to discuss this action beforehand? Logic fail. Seems like you are digging for a rational rationale and coming up with cat shit.
Denesmet, on 24 November 2015 - 05:50 PM, said:
Looking for someone overdoing the townie angle and using poor mechanistic speculation to buff up their street cred. You fit the bill.
Voting for someone before they are on thread stands out. Roled players stereotypically are more careful. More logical, AF is at the start of the player list.
Voting for someone before they are on thread stands out. Roled players stereotypically are more careful. More logical, AF is at the start of the player list.
Which is basically why I agree with Denesmet. He says it a lot better and I'd the best case out there at present.
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Vote grasp
Yeah Grasp's theory surely has some holes...or black holes....
But he's not saying "hey, this is how it is, theyre scum, lynch them now!", he just threw it out as an idea, not real case
Den is making a mountain out of a molehill, and he is too eager into it
Ultama then responds by saying he is willing to lynch Hanas, implicating he is against a Grasp lynch. Why?
Then two lines underneath, KF mentions that AF is the best case and calls Denesmet a symp for attacking Grasp, and then we get this:
Grasp, on 24 November 2015 - 11:57 PM, said:
It will cost the town a roled player.
Dramatic. As Denesmet concludes, if the reveal is believed by scum to be true, Grasp ought to die. If he doesn't, then what? Is he scum? Or will he opt for the age old Wifom defense - "they want you guys to waste a lynch on me!" .... which is a bogus argument, considering that if Grasp is roled and doesn't reveal a role, he could be a finder, and which scum lets a finder run around unchecked?
And finally:
Kadagar Fant, on 25 November 2015 - 01:59 AM, said:
Back home and will try to be around till timeout. Denesmet, what is with the Hanas vote? You've been trying to get everyone to vote anywhere but AF, but I missed your case there.
Concluding, KF & Ultama have been very defensive of Grasp before he claimed roled townie, and tried what they could to brand the person attacking Grasp to be overly aggressive and single minded. Even after Demesnet removed, we see the same people attack.
I think there's plenty of smoke, and probably a fire.
So why did he post that AFTER the lynch?
Well that's my point. Would scum do that KNOWING they're going to look real stupid and possibly scrutinised as soon as the CF came up?
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Posted 01 December 2015 - 12:19 AM
But meh, I don't see this realistically going anywhere else, and I'm going to bed. I don't think this will turn up scum, unless they were doing serious distancing just before the CF, but
Vote Korlat
Vote Korlat
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Posted 01 December 2015 - 12:22 AM
Shadow, on 01 December 2015 - 12:17 AM, said:
Kadagar Fant, on 01 December 2015 - 12:09 AM, said:
Shadow, on 01 December 2015 - 12:05 AM, said:
Actually, not sure I see scum posting this, as they would have known Grasp was town and therefore probably telling the truth.
Yeah, I ahve way less time on my hands than I expected. The curse of a busy job, and yes, I didn't provide any content. You want me to post my thoughts?
There could be plenty of reasons for the AF-Hanas spat, which started with Hanas having a hard-on for AF and now AF got lynched.... and some of these possible reasons might not even game-related.
Basically what we did though, is run yet again with a signalling case like its amateur hour. I might have to swallow my foot here if AF does come up as scum, but I completely agree with Demesnet when he states
The spat resulting from that is extremely interesting. Denesmet has the better of Grasp in a battle of one-liners, and the participation of others on the sidelines is pretty telling. KF tries returning the focus away from Grasp back onto AF with nary a mention for the debate happening under his eyes could be seen as defusing. Ultama saying Demesnet is 'too eager' definitely is.
Grasp comes back at Telas and Merrid, calling them Denesmet's sheep, after which Ultama (him again) comes up with this gem:
Which is basically why I agree with Denesmet. He says it a lot better and I'd the best case out there at present.
remove vote
Vote grasp
Yeah Grasp's theory surely has some holes...or black holes....
But he's not saying "hey, this is how it is, theyre scum, lynch them now!", he just threw it out as an idea, not real case
Den is making a mountain out of a molehill, and he is too eager into it
Ultama then responds by saying he is willing to lynch Hanas, implicating he is against a Grasp lynch. Why?
Then two lines underneath, KF mentions that AF is the best case and calls Denesmet a symp for attacking Grasp, and then we get this:
It will cost the town a roled player.
Dramatic. As Denesmet concludes, if the reveal is believed by scum to be true, Grasp ought to die. If he doesn't, then what? Is he scum? Or will he opt for the age old Wifom defense - "they want you guys to waste a lynch on me!" .... which is a bogus argument, considering that if Grasp is roled and doesn't reveal a role, he could be a finder, and which scum lets a finder run around unchecked?
And finally:
Concluding, KF & Ultama have been very defensive of Grasp before he claimed roled townie, and tried what they could to brand the person attacking Grasp to be overly aggressive and single minded. Even after Demesnet removed, we see the same people attack.
I think there's plenty of smoke, and probably a fire.
Korlat, on 25 November 2015 - 01:50 PM, said:
Merrid, on 24 November 2015 - 08:09 PM, said:
Yeah, I ahve way less time on my hands than I expected. The curse of a busy job, and yes, I didn't provide any content. You want me to post my thoughts?
There could be plenty of reasons for the AF-Hanas spat, which started with Hanas having a hard-on for AF and now AF got lynched.... and some of these possible reasons might not even game-related.
Basically what we did though, is run yet again with a signalling case like its amateur hour. I might have to swallow my foot here if AF does come up as scum, but I completely agree with Demesnet when he states
Denesmet, on 24 November 2015 - 04:45 PM, said:
vote grasp.
For suggesting a paired scum mechanic that requires signaling to identify each other while not seeing the logical fallacy of his purposefully misleading speculation.
For suggesting a paired scum mechanic that requires signaling to identify each other while not seeing the logical fallacy of his purposefully misleading speculation.
The spat resulting from that is extremely interesting. Denesmet has the better of Grasp in a battle of one-liners, and the participation of others on the sidelines is pretty telling. KF tries returning the focus away from Grasp back onto AF with nary a mention for the debate happening under his eyes could be seen as defusing. Ultama saying Demesnet is 'too eager' definitely is.
Grasp comes back at Telas and Merrid, calling them Denesmet's sheep, after which Ultama (him again) comes up with this gem:
Ultama, on 24 November 2015 - 09:41 PM, said:
Merrid, on 24 November 2015 - 08:14 PM, said:
Denesmet, on 24 November 2015 - 04:45 PM, said:
vote grasp.
For suggesting a paired scum mechanic that requires signaling to identify each other while not seeing the logical fallacy of his purposefully misleading speculation.
For suggesting a paired scum mechanic that requires signaling to identify each other while not seeing the logical fallacy of his purposefully misleading speculation.
Denesmet, on 24 November 2015 - 05:40 PM, said:
When is fake signaling or joke voting each other advantageous for both parties concerned? And off thread coms to discuss this action beforehand? Logic fail. Seems like you are digging for a rational rationale and coming up with cat shit.
Denesmet, on 24 November 2015 - 05:50 PM, said:
Looking for someone overdoing the townie angle and using poor mechanistic speculation to buff up their street cred. You fit the bill.
Voting for someone before they are on thread stands out. Roled players stereotypically are more careful. More logical, AF is at the start of the player list.
Voting for someone before they are on thread stands out. Roled players stereotypically are more careful. More logical, AF is at the start of the player list.
Which is basically why I agree with Denesmet. He says it a lot better and I'd the best case out there at present.
remove vote
Vote grasp
Yeah Grasp's theory surely has some holes...or black holes....
But he's not saying "hey, this is how it is, theyre scum, lynch them now!", he just threw it out as an idea, not real case
Den is making a mountain out of a molehill, and he is too eager into it
Ultama then responds by saying he is willing to lynch Hanas, implicating he is against a Grasp lynch. Why?
Then two lines underneath, KF mentions that AF is the best case and calls Denesmet a symp for attacking Grasp, and then we get this:
Grasp, on 24 November 2015 - 11:57 PM, said:
It will cost the town a roled player.
Dramatic. As Denesmet concludes, if the reveal is believed by scum to be true, Grasp ought to die. If he doesn't, then what? Is he scum? Or will he opt for the age old Wifom defense - "they want you guys to waste a lynch on me!" .... which is a bogus argument, considering that if Grasp is roled and doesn't reveal a role, he could be a finder, and which scum lets a finder run around unchecked?
And finally:
Kadagar Fant, on 25 November 2015 - 01:59 AM, said:
Back home and will try to be around till timeout. Denesmet, what is with the Hanas vote? You've been trying to get everyone to vote anywhere but AF, but I missed your case there.
Concluding, KF & Ultama have been very defensive of Grasp before he claimed roled townie, and tried what they could to brand the person attacking Grasp to be overly aggressive and single minded. Even after Demesnet removed, we see the same people attack.
I think there's plenty of smoke, and probably a fire.
So why did he post that AFTER the lynch?
Well that's my point. Would scum do that KNOWING they're going to look real stupid and possibly scrutinised as soon as the CF came up?
If he made that post before the lynch, but after the resolution he's like "doh I was wrong". I thought that looked contrived.
So if not Korlat what do you think of Lock or Fanderay?
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I was willing to believe the Fandy 'busy week' excuse. Don't like their jumping on Korlat with no explanation for the vote or really much else about what they think regarding the game/players thus far.
And as I said, Lock popping out after Merrid's case rings some alarm bells. I think that's something worth pursuing tomorrow, depending on the Korlat CF.
And as I said, Lock popping out after Merrid's case rings some alarm bells. I think that's something worth pursuing tomorrow, depending on the Korlat CF.
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Posted 01 December 2015 - 12:27 AM
It is Day 2. 2 hours and 6 minutes remaining
10 Players still alive: Denesmet, Fanderay, Kadagar Fant, Korlat, Lock, Merrid, Olar Ethil, Shadow, Telas, Ultama
6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.
5 Votes for Korlat ( Kadagar Fant, Merrid, Fanderay, Ultama, Shadow )
1 Vote for Merrid ( Lock )
1 Vote for Fanderay ( Telas )
Players not voted: Denesmet, Korlat, Olar Ethil
10 Players still alive: Denesmet, Fanderay, Kadagar Fant, Korlat, Lock, Merrid, Olar Ethil, Shadow, Telas, Ultama
6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.
5 Votes for Korlat ( Kadagar Fant, Merrid, Fanderay, Ultama, Shadow )
1 Vote for Merrid ( Lock )
1 Vote for Fanderay ( Telas )
Players not voted: Denesmet, Korlat, Olar Ethil
"Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor Frankl
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Posted 01 December 2015 - 12:36 AM
Shadow, on 01 December 2015 - 12:27 AM, said:
I was willing to believe the Fandy 'busy week' excuse. Don't like their jumping on Korlat with no explanation for the vote or really much else about what they think regarding the game/players thus far.
And as I said, Lock popping out after Merrid's case rings some alarm bells. I think that's something worth pursuing tomorrow, depending on the Korlat CF.
And as I said, Lock popping out after Merrid's case rings some alarm bells. I think that's something worth pursuing tomorrow, depending on the Korlat CF.
Previously it was for not voting, now not liked for voting? Guess it's not my lucky week huh?
Remove Vote
Because putting a vote down on the biggest train isn't good enough.
Vote Shadow
Because he'd clearly rather no lynch to a Korlat lynch so that's totally straight town play there
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Posted 01 December 2015 - 12:43 AM
Shadow, on 01 December 2015 - 12:27 AM, said:
I was willing to believe the Fandy 'busy week' excuse. Don't like their jumping on Korlat with no explanation for the vote or really much else about what they think regarding the game/players thus far.
And as I said, Lock popping out after Merrid's case rings some alarm bells. I think that's something worth pursuing tomorrow, depending on the Korlat CF.
And as I said, Lock popping out after Merrid's case rings some alarm bells. I think that's something worth pursuing tomorrow, depending on the Korlat CF.
Did you bother to read what I posted about Merrid? Sigh...
I guess it is true what they say. If some one votes for you don't defend and don't make a case on that person the idiots will ignore it regardless if it is a better case.
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Posted 01 December 2015 - 12:45 AM
It is Day 2. 1 hour and 48 minutes remaining
10 Players still alive: Denesmet, Fanderay, Kadagar Fant, Korlat, Lock, Merrid, Olar Ethil, Shadow, Telas, Ultama
6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.
5 Votes for Korlat ( Kadagar Fant, Merrid, Ultama, Shadow, Lock )
1 Vote for Shadow ( Fanderay )
1 Vote for Fanderay ( Telas )
Players not voted: Denesmet, Korlat, Olar Ethil
10 Players still alive: Denesmet, Fanderay, Kadagar Fant, Korlat, Lock, Merrid, Olar Ethil, Shadow, Telas, Ultama
6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.
5 Votes for Korlat ( Kadagar Fant, Merrid, Ultama, Shadow, Lock )
1 Vote for Shadow ( Fanderay )
1 Vote for Fanderay ( Telas )
Players not voted: Denesmet, Korlat, Olar Ethil
"Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor Frankl
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Posted 01 December 2015 - 12:55 AM
Fanderay, on 01 December 2015 - 12:36 AM, said:
Shadow, on 01 December 2015 - 12:27 AM, said:
I was willing to believe the Fandy 'busy week' excuse. Don't like their jumping on Korlat with no explanation for the vote or really much else about what they think regarding the game/players thus far.
And as I said, Lock popping out after Merrid's case rings some alarm bells. I think that's something worth pursuing tomorrow, depending on the Korlat CF.
And as I said, Lock popping out after Merrid's case rings some alarm bells. I think that's something worth pursuing tomorrow, depending on the Korlat CF.
Previously it was for not voting, now not liked for voting? Guess it's not my lucky week huh?
Remove Vote
Because putting a vote down on the biggest train isn't good enough.
Vote Shadow
Because he'd clearly rather no lynch to a Korlat lynch so that's totally straight town play there
No, simply putting a vote down on the biggest train should not be thought of as good enough.
If I would rather a no lynch then how come I've voted Korlat?
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Posted 01 December 2015 - 12:57 AM
Lock, on 01 December 2015 - 12:43 AM, said:
Shadow, on 01 December 2015 - 12:27 AM, said:
I was willing to believe the Fandy 'busy week' excuse. Don't like their jumping on Korlat with no explanation for the vote or really much else about what they think regarding the game/players thus far.
And as I said, Lock popping out after Merrid's case rings some alarm bells. I think that's something worth pursuing tomorrow, depending on the Korlat CF.
And as I said, Lock popping out after Merrid's case rings some alarm bells. I think that's something worth pursuing tomorrow, depending on the Korlat CF.
Did you bother to read what I posted about Merrid? Sigh...
I guess it is true what they say. If some one votes for you don't defend and don't make a case on that person the idiots will ignore it regardless if it is a better case.
I did read it. I wasn't convinced. Nor am I saying that I'm bowled over by Merrid's case on you. But it's rather your reaction to it, when we've had nothing from you before that.
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Fanderay, on 01 December 2015 - 12:49 AM, said:
I'm happy with my Shadow vote. I'll be back in maybe an hour and may swap for no other reason than the lynch. Is that an acceptable reason to everyone except Shadow?
By day 2 we should certainly all be aiming to contribute more than voting for the biggest current train, which is what I pulled you up for.
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Posted 01 December 2015 - 01:18 AM
It is Day 2. 1 hour and 16 minutes remaining
10 Players still alive: Denesmet, Fanderay, Kadagar Fant, Korlat, Lock, Merrid, Olar Ethil, Shadow, Telas, Ultama
6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.
5 Votes for Korlat ( Kadagar Fant, Merrid, Ultama, Shadow, Lock )
1 Vote for Shadow ( Fanderay )
1 Vote for Fanderay ( Telas )
Players not voted: Denesmet, Korlat, Olar Ethil
10 Players still alive: Denesmet, Fanderay, Kadagar Fant, Korlat, Lock, Merrid, Olar Ethil, Shadow, Telas, Ultama
6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.
5 Votes for Korlat ( Kadagar Fant, Merrid, Ultama, Shadow, Lock )
1 Vote for Shadow ( Fanderay )
1 Vote for Fanderay ( Telas )
Players not voted: Denesmet, Korlat, Olar Ethil
"Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor Frankl
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Kadagar Fant, on 30 November 2015 - 05:38 PM, said:
@ Ultama, you have too many quote blocks for me to straight up reply to your case.
If we have scum trying to defend a symp in this game, then we have the stupidest scum in mafia, UNLESS they were just fake symping, but that's too much wifom to digest. I'd need something more tangible to see a Denesmet case.
On the other hand, that whole case looks like scum desperately trying to look like they are participating.
If we have scum trying to defend a symp in this game, then we have the stupidest scum in mafia, UNLESS they were just fake symping, but that's too much wifom to digest. I'd need something more tangible to see a Denesmet case.
On the other hand, that whole case looks like scum desperately trying to look like they are participating.
Agree.
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