[Korlat]

I should have similar concerns about what? You're the one who said immediately follow their vote, 'well, is this the right thing to do? I mean, they are in jail and all, and what about the SK boo hoo hoo!!!'

Can at least one of your posts please make complete sense?


So you're saying that because you voted there should be no doubt about you. Fuck me.


Why are you so completely obsessed with the SK anyway? It's in practically every single one of your posts.

[Ultama]

Here's you Korlat voting Silanah 2 minutes before his reveal. You then disappear until after what would've been timeout.

Korlat, on 10 November 2015 - 11:05 PM, said:

Vote Silanah


As it's the only likely lynch at this point.

Silanah, on 10 November 2015 - 11:07 PM, said:

So based off available information thus far, i think i've gleamed some interesting bits of information. I was looking for someone who eagerly jumped onto a bandwagon, has little to no participation and very little content to contribute

Arrest Omtose. You have the right to remain silent, anything you say can and will be held against you in the court of law.

Shadow, on 10 November 2015 - 03:53 PM, said:

With SK that probably only has to be here for 8 nights to win, we really have to lynch.

Saying opposite makes you quite suspicious, which is enough for me in this phase to vote

Vote Silanah

this also strikes me as suspicious however can only arrest one person.

This is the origin of the 8 day life. What could make you assume its 8 day game duration. It could be more or less. Is 8 days an actualk victory condition? is it a calculation based on 1nk for scum and 1 nk for SK? etc... If it is, what if there are vigs present, what if there is a healer present?What if we have BPs and LPs present (feners is suspected of that atm). What if scum have a recruiter and a killer, or killers.That gives scum 2 NKs. 8 night is a very specific number. And it was mentioned at the start this a high tmdi game. Meaning almost anything can be happening and any mechanic is fair game, including new ones.

This is of course ignoring the fact you were the VERY first to jump on the bandwagon, and you did so rather quickly.

So you're happy to leave your vote on a revealed cop and not return until day 2.

Korlat, on 11 November 2015 - 01:39 AM, said:

Well, I go for a bit and things happen. That was fun to read through.

Not sure you can really crow about 'reeling in' anything, unless Karo does turn out to be scummy (I wonder if them refusing to remove their vote has to do with the Omtose arrest) but it was a good play nevertheless at that stage of the vote train.


Edit: put in a missing parenthesis. Yeah, I edited. Suck it.

Then go ahead and break a PS rule why your at it.

Anyway leaving your vote on Silanah is telling.

Of course you're going to say you didn't see his reveal. 2 minutes after you voted him. Of course.

[Ultama]

Korlat, on 11 November 2015 - 11:27 AM, said:

I should have similar concerns about what? You're the one who said immediately follow their vote, 'well, is this the right thing to do? I mean, they are in jail and all, and what about the SK boo hoo hoo!!!'

Can at least one of your posts please make complete sense?


So you're saying that because you voted there should be no doubt about you. Fuck me.


Why are you so completely obsessed with the SK anyway? It's in practically every single one of your posts.

Well that's an exaggeration, but maybe he is the droid I am looking for. I've played in quite a few games were he's won.

Regarding Omtose he's scum so deserves to be lynched. End of discussion there.

[Denul]

Ultama, on 11 November 2015 - 11:22 AM, said:

vote Omtose

So Omtose is scum. He's in jail though so is he a threat? The SK is out there somewhere.

Ultama, on 11 November 2015 - 10:12 AM, said:

There's no doubt on my vote. My vote is there and bold. You should have similar concerns.

I'll help you. Yes, you vote, then you question whether Omtose really is a threat and redirect focus to the SK. That latter part, that's why you seem to be questioning your vote. I agree with you, we shouldn't forget the SK, but I think, given the excited reveal, the find of Omtose is probably real. So, going for a highly probable scum is better than a stab in the dark for the SK.

[Denul]

Okay, I didn't notice the new page. Stupid me.

[Ultama]

I think my focus on the SK stems from the fact that there are factions out there. We need a common enemy. There'll be a bunch of cops, some mafia some cartel, the Survivor and SK. I'm sure cops mafia cartel and survivor will all want the SK lynched.

The night "scene" says there was a shoot out but no deaths. Does that mean someone hit a BP, and if so I'm guessing someone knows who the SK is. Unless there are going to be multiple players with bps but I don't have one so I'm just going to put that out there and see what you think

[Ultama]

Denul, on 11 November 2015 - 11:37 AM, said:

Ultama, on 11 November 2015 - 11:22 AM, said:

vote Omtose

So Omtose is scum. He's in jail though so is he a threat? The SK is out there somewhere.

Ultama, on 11 November 2015 - 10:12 AM, said:

There's no doubt on my vote. My vote is there and bold. You should have similar concerns.

I'll help you. Yes, you vote, then you question whether Omtose really is a threat and redirect focus to the SK. That latter part, that's why you seem to be questioning your vote. I agree with you, we shouldn't forget the SK, but I think, given the excited reveal, the find of Omtose is probably real. So, going for a highly probable scum is better than a stab in the dark for the SK.

This, this is a better answer than what Korlat give.

I do express concerns and it depends on what we find more important. Other people have information too you know. What of Silanah says someone is cartel. How do we prioritise. If we knew all cartel and mafia would we continue lynching them whilst others approach their VCs. Someone took a shot at a player and missed. That's kind of huge.

[Korlat]

@ Ultama re leaving my vote on Silanah:

Yeah, or I went away to watch Mad Max: Fury Road and so wasn't around. Funny though how my vote on Silanah wasn't an issue for you until I started questioning your vote. I also notice you haven't singled out anyone else who left their vote on Silanah. Presumably they're okay because they haven't had the temerity to question something you said.

Denul, on 11 November 2015 - 11:37 AM, said:

Ultama, on 11 November 2015 - 11:22 AM, said:

vote Omtose

So Omtose is scum. He's in jail though so is he a threat? The SK is out there somewhere.

Ultama, on 11 November 2015 - 10:12 AM, said:

There's no doubt on my vote. My vote is there and bold. You should have similar concerns.

I'll help you. Yes, you vote, then you question whether Omtose really is a threat and redirect focus to the SK. That latter part, that's why you seem to be questioning your vote. I agree with you, we shouldn't forget the SK, but I think, given the excited reveal, the find of Omtose is probably real. So, going for a highly probable scum is better than a stab in the dark for the SK.

Oh look, guess I'm not so crazy to think that's a bit weird. Or perhaps you'll attack Denul too now?


Oh no wait, now you're going to try and move conversation away from that and talk about what the possibilities of what the night scene could entail. And yes, it does sound like a BP. And no, it doesn't have to be the SK just because the SK is all you ever want to talk about.


And no, this isn't a faction game. This is town vs scum which also happens to have multiple VCs, where the scum are divided into three and some of the town are presumably recruitable into becoming scum.

[Korlat]

Ultama, on 11 November 2015 - 11:43 AM, said:

Denul, on 11 November 2015 - 11:37 AM, said:

Ultama, on 11 November 2015 - 11:22 AM, said:

vote Omtose

So Omtose is scum. He's in jail though so is he a threat? The SK is out there somewhere.

Ultama, on 11 November 2015 - 10:12 AM, said:

There's no doubt on my vote. My vote is there and bold. You should have similar concerns.

I'll help you. Yes, you vote, then you question whether Omtose really is a threat and redirect focus to the SK. That latter part, that's why you seem to be questioning your vote. I agree with you, we shouldn't forget the SK, but I think, given the excited reveal, the find of Omtose is probably real. So, going for a highly probable scum is better than a stab in the dark for the SK.

This, this is a better answer than what Korlat give.

I do express concerns and it depends on what we find more important. Other people have information too you know. What of Silanah says someone is cartel. How do we prioritise. If we knew all cartel and mafia would we continue lynching them whilst others approach their VCs. Someone took a shot at a player and missed. That's kind of huge.

Answer: If you're town, yes of course you fucking would. What the hell?

[Denul]

Ultama, on 11 November 2015 - 11:43 AM, said:

I do express concerns and it depends on what we find more important. Other people have information too you know. What of Silanah says someone is cartel. How do we prioritise. If we knew all cartel and mafia would we continue lynching them whilst others approach their VCs. Someone took a shot at a player and missed. That's kind of huge.

Here's the deal, there probably is no "we" in the prioritisation, specifically for the reason of differential VCs. Your focus on the SK seems to reveal your priorities for the direction of the thread, the focus of others might reveal theirs. That's basically the game we're playing. Moreover, there are probably VCs that are not mutually exclusive, that is, VCs that don't exclude other VCs from happening. So, temporary allegiances and stuff to obtain shared goals.

[Korlat]

I'm off for a while now.

Wait, let me translate that into Ultama-speak: 'I'm going to lie here for three hours quietly cackling evilly to myself as I watch terrible things unfold.'

[Denul]

Korlat, on 11 November 2015 - 11:48 AM, said:

Ultama, on 11 November 2015 - 11:43 AM, said:

If we knew all cartel and mafia would we continue lynching them whilst others approach their VCs

Answer: If you're town, yes of course you fucking would. What the hell?

How do you know that there's a single town-like VC? Maybe there are a few variants that could all be considered "town", but differ slightly to heighten the mind fuck.

[Ultama]

Korlat, on 11 November 2015 - 11:48 AM, said:

Ultama, on 11 November 2015 - 11:43 AM, said:

Denul, on 11 November 2015 - 11:37 AM, said:

Ultama, on 11 November 2015 - 11:22 AM, said:

vote Omtose

So Omtose is scum. He's in jail though so is he a threat? The SK is out there somewhere.

Ultama, on 11 November 2015 - 10:12 AM, said:

There's no doubt on my vote. My vote is there and bold. You should have similar concerns.

I'll help you. Yes, you vote, then you question whether Omtose really is a threat and redirect focus to the SK. That latter part, that's why you seem to be questioning your vote. I agree with you, we shouldn't forget the SK, but I think, given the excited reveal, the find of Omtose is probably real. So, going for a highly probable scum is better than a stab in the dark for the SK.

This, this is a better answer than what Korlat give.

I do express concerns and it depends on what we find more important. Other people have information too you know. What of Silanah says someone is cartel. How do we prioritise. If we knew all cartel and mafia would we continue lynching them whilst others approach their VCs. Someone took a shot at a player and missed. That's kind of huge.

Answer: If you're town, yes of course you fucking would. What the hell?

We don't know how many cartel and mafia there are. What if there are 3 of each, 6 cops, 1 Fener 1 survivor 1 SK.

If we continued to lynch 6 scum then the fucking SK would win you numb nut. As he'd have had 6 nights.

That's why I'm concerned. You fail to think outside the frigging box.

[Ultama]

Denul, on 11 November 2015 - 11:51 AM, said:

Ultama, on 11 November 2015 - 11:43 AM, said:

I do express concerns and it depends on what we find more important. Other people have information too you know. What of Silanah says someone is cartel. How do we prioritise. If we knew all cartel and mafia would we continue lynching them whilst others approach their VCs. Someone took a shot at a player and missed. That's kind of huge.

Here's the deal, there probably is no "we" in the prioritisation, specifically for the reason of differential VCs. Your focus on the SK seems to reveal your priorities for the direction of the thread, the focus of others might reveal theirs. That's basically the game we're playing. Moreover, there are probably VCs that are not mutually exclusive, that is, VCs that don't exclude other VCs from happening. So, temporary allegiances and stuff to obtain shared goals.

Yes definitely. I agree with this.

[Ultama]

I don't know how Gnaw would have set things up but he was very specific about needing 15. It's not a faction game so that rules out even number spreading. It could be 8 cops 2 of each scum and 1 of each independent.

[Silanah]

Will have to do a more in depth re-read when i get back, still bleary eyed. When someone is in jail they can't do any NAs as well. So given we got a find on him as a mafioso so im all for leaving him rot and trying to find SK. We've taken two scum out of the game already.

I could be mistaken but the flavour text mentions that he kidnaps someone day 1. The PS update said nothing happened minus some shootings, my question is, does "nothing happening" include no one being kidnapped day 1? If we can have everyone check in we can confirm this.

[Denul]

Silanah, on 11 November 2015 - 12:30 PM, said:

I could be mistaken but the flavour text mentions that he kidnaps someone day 1. The PS update said nothing happened minus some shootings, my question is, does "nothing happening" include no one being kidnapped day 1? If we can have everyone check in we can confirm this.

Everyone checking in would only confirm that no one's been kidnapped, not if "nothing happened" means no kidnapping.

If someone fails to show up and ends up dead, that would confirm that "nothing happened" does not say anything about potential kidnapping.

[Emurlahn]

Denul, on 11 November 2015 - 12:35 PM, said:

Silanah, on 11 November 2015 - 12:30 PM, said:

I could be mistaken but the flavour text mentions that he kidnaps someone day 1. The PS update said nothing happened minus some shootings, my question is, does "nothing happening" include no one being kidnapped day 1? If we can have everyone check in we can confirm this.

Everyone checking in would only confirm that no one's been kidnapped, not if "nothing happened" means no kidnapping.

If someone fails to show up and ends up dead, that would confirm that "nothing happened" does not say anything about potential kidnapping.

That would only work if kidnapping actually affected the kidnapped person and/or they were informed and could share it (which seems unlikely).

Restricting the kidnapped person from posting might create trouble with a modkill timer if the kidnapped person is not allowed to post, for example. And if there was explicit warning, we could stall the SK by lynching the kidnapped player before night 2 arrived, forcing him to do his prep again. We could stall him indefinitely.
Or we could decide to not use NAs on that player, figuring we'd get the CF anyway. That would limit the suspect pool drastically.



Unless evidence comes up otherwise, my first guess is that the kidnap/murder is treated like the FM prep-jump mechanic (but now prep-kill) in which the FM night 1 targets a player for taking over and on night 2 jumps into their alt, without warning to us/ the targeted player who the victim will be.

[Korlat]

Denul, on 11 November 2015 - 11:55 AM, said:

Korlat, on 11 November 2015 - 11:48 AM, said:

Ultama, on 11 November 2015 - 11:43 AM, said:

If we knew all cartel and mafia would we continue lynching them whilst others approach their VCs

Answer: If you're town, yes of course you fucking would. What the hell?

How do you know that there's a single town-like VC? Maybe there are a few variants that could all be considered "town", but differ slightly to heighten the mind fuck.

No duh that could be. But as you yourself said, multiple VCs doesn't mean they're all mutually exclusive.

[Grasp]

Ultama, on 11 November 2015 - 12:08 PM, said:

Korlat, on 11 November 2015 - 11:48 AM, said:

Ultama, on 11 November 2015 - 11:43 AM, said:

Denul, on 11 November 2015 - 11:37 AM, said:

Ultama, on 11 November 2015 - 11:22 AM, said:

vote Omtose

So Omtose is scum. He's in jail though so is he a threat? The SK is out there somewhere.

Ultama, on 11 November 2015 - 10:12 AM, said:

There's no doubt on my vote. My vote is there and bold. You should have similar concerns.

I'll help you. Yes, you vote, then you question whether Omtose really is a threat and redirect focus to the SK. That latter part, that's why you seem to be questioning your vote. I agree with you, we shouldn't forget the SK, but I think, given the excited reveal, the find of Omtose is probably real. So, going for a highly probable scum is better than a stab in the dark for the SK.

This, this is a better answer than what Korlat give.

I do express concerns and it depends on what we find more important. Other people have information too you know. What of Silanah says someone is cartel. How do we prioritise. If we knew all cartel and mafia would we continue lynching them whilst others approach their VCs. Someone took a shot at a player and missed. That's kind of huge.

Answer: If you're town, yes of course you fucking would. What the hell?

We don't know how many cartel and mafia there are. What if there are 3 of each, 6 cops, 1 Fener 1 survivor 1 SK.

If we continued to lynch 6 scum then the fucking SK would win you numb nut. As he'd have had 6 nights.

That's why I'm concerned. You fail to think outside the frigging box.

Actually, I believe because of recruitment, the scum count would be lower, and due to risks such as killing and arrests, and a TMDI of 10, having 2 recruiters for a 6-8 day game isn't unreasonable. Back up to this theory: we just killed a kingpin character. Seems statistically unlikely if there are larger gangs of scum present on day 1. Being an optimistic fool, I almost think if we kill Omtose we may greatly reduce if not eliminate a recruitment risk (you think u can recruit from jail?).

vote Omtose

Now at work. will return upon getting home.