[Emurlahn]

Ultama, on 11 November 2015 - 09:45 AM, said:

If anything Eloth could be the one construed as symping/defending Silanah not you Emurlahn.

What's interesting is that you interpret that way. Are psychologically trying to make us think of you as Silanahs symp or discuss you in that context over some other bigger role?

1. the issue we were discussing was theorycraft, not actual case related, so 'protecting' or 'attacking' is just a matter of agreeing. Which I already explained I didn't, but apparently my intent with my posts didn't exactly came across.

2. You do know Silanah made an arrest of Omtose and proved himself to be a cop that way?
We cannot distinguish between protecting and fake-symping and I will readily admit I know nothing of Silanah before he made his arrest, but given developments: how would you read this in hindsight?

[Emurlahn]

Vote Tholen

For being mafioso.

[Liosan]

Korlat, on 10 November 2015 - 11:23 AM, said:

Ultama, on 10 November 2015 - 10:09 AM, said:

vote graspWith Feners update it insinuates that the body snatcher moved during the day. Do we think that would mean we have Fodder for one day? Grasp has not posted yet, it could be that he is the body snatcher and he's selected a target already. Do we think we'd kill him if we lynch his current body? We've got to up the activity regardless. Not saying you should post a ton but post in a way that is hard to copy or distinctive in some way. I'm going to keep my level of activity up throughout the game.

What are you blathering about? What part of the post insinuated any such thing? What are you drooling about a current body? We were specifically told there would be no FM.

Ultama, on 10 November 2015 - 11:29 AM, said:

Ok so the Body Snatcher is just his name, where did it say no FM?

Ultama, on 10 November 2015 - 11:31 AM, said:

Forgive me I knew I saw it somewhere.

Quote

TMDI 10+This will be essentially a Town v Scum game, but both sides have factions within and without. Multiple Victory Conditions exist. Both exclusionary and inclusionary. Should this game be successful then sequels are guaranteed.There will be a SK. There will be a Survivor. There will be recruiting.There will not be: FMing, Necromancing, Jestering.There will be new actions: Arrest, Post Bail, Retire.

Ultama, on 10 November 2015 - 11:32 AM, said:

Are we going to assume Fener is the Survivor? The SK is the Body Snatcher.Does it identify who the recruiters will be?

So right here you thought there was an FM, you got called on it, you went back, read and quoted OP and everything was sunshine and bunnies.

Then Day 2 you say this is a regular town vs scum game? Despite the OP, despite the blog posts? Despite the clear 'factions inside both' being mentioned?

If you are innocent and this is a mistake you are helping scum by misleading people. Or you are scum.

[Emurlahn]

Emurlahn, on 11 November 2015 - 09:56 AM, said:

Vote Tholen

For being mafioso.

Remove vote.


Vote Omtose

for being mafioso.

FUCKFUCKFUCK TOO EXCITED.

[Emurlahn]

Apologies to Tholen, my bad. I got a llittle bit too excited when the evidence came in and mixed up two lines of enquiry.

[Ultama]

Liosan, on 11 November 2015 - 09:57 AM, said:

Korlat, on 10 November 2015 - 11:23 AM, said:

Ultama, on 10 November 2015 - 10:09 AM, said:

vote graspWith Feners update it insinuates that the body snatcher moved during the day. Do we think that would mean we have Fodder for one day? Grasp has not posted yet, it could be that he is the body snatcher and he's selected a target already. Do we think we'd kill him if we lynch his current body? We've got to up the activity regardless. Not saying you should post a ton but post in a way that is hard to copy or distinctive in some way. I'm going to keep my level of activity up throughout the game.

What are you blathering about? What part of the post insinuated any such thing? What are you drooling about a current body? We were specifically told there would be no FM.

Ultama, on 10 November 2015 - 11:29 AM, said:

Ok so the Body Snatcher is just his name, where did it say no FM?

Ultama, on 10 November 2015 - 11:31 AM, said:

Forgive me I knew I saw it somewhere.

Quote

TMDI 10+This will be essentially a Town v Scum game, but both sides have factions within and without. Multiple Victory Conditions exist. Both exclusionary and inclusionary. Should this game be successful then sequels are guaranteed.There will be a SK. There will be a Survivor. There will be recruiting.There will not be: FMing, Necromancing, Jestering.There will be new actions: Arrest, Post Bail, Retire.

Ultama, on 10 November 2015 - 11:32 AM, said:

Are we going to assume Fener is the Survivor? The SK is the Body Snatcher.Does it identify who the recruiters will be?

So right here you thought there was an FM, you got called on it, you went back, read and quoted OP and everything was sunshine and bunnies.

Then Day 2 you say this is a regular town vs scum game? Despite the OP, despite the blog posts? Despite the clear 'factions inside both' being mentioned?

If you are innocent and this is a mistake you are helping scum by misleading people. Or you are scum.

Hey in both of the posts you quoted I didn't mention mafia or cartel. So it shows I didn't give them much thought, until today not many people have mentioned them either. I'm not intentionally misleading people but the answers to my posts are quite good so I'm enjoying the interactions. Which scum would you peg me as then? The SK, the cartel or the mafia?
I assure you I'm non of them. My play should prove that really.

[Liosan]

So are you going to elaborate on that?

[Liosan]

Ultama, on 11 November 2015 - 10:04 AM, said:

Liosan, on 11 November 2015 - 09:57 AM, said:

Korlat, on 10 November 2015 - 11:23 AM, said:

Ultama, on 10 November 2015 - 10:09 AM, said:

vote graspWith Feners update it insinuates that the body snatcher moved during the day. Do we think that would mean we have Fodder for one day? Grasp has not posted yet, it could be that he is the body snatcher and he's selected a target already. Do we think we'd kill him if we lynch his current body? We've got to up the activity regardless. Not saying you should post a ton but post in a way that is hard to copy or distinctive in some way. I'm going to keep my level of activity up throughout the game.

What are you blathering about? What part of the post insinuated any such thing? What are you drooling about a current body? We were specifically told there would be no FM.

Ultama, on 10 November 2015 - 11:29 AM, said:

Ok so the Body Snatcher is just his name, where did it say no FM?

Ultama, on 10 November 2015 - 11:31 AM, said:

Forgive me I knew I saw it somewhere.

Quote

TMDI 10+This will be essentially a Town v Scum game, but both sides have factions within and without. Multiple Victory Conditions exist. Both exclusionary and inclusionary. Should this game be successful then sequels are guaranteed.There will be a SK. There will be a Survivor. There will be recruiting.There will not be: FMing, Necromancing, Jestering.There will be new actions: Arrest, Post Bail, Retire.

Ultama, on 10 November 2015 - 11:32 AM, said:

Are we going to assume Fener is the Survivor? The SK is the Body Snatcher.Does it identify who the recruiters will be?

So right here you thought there was an FM, you got called on it, you went back, read and quoted OP and everything was sunshine and bunnies.

Then Day 2 you say this is a regular town vs scum game? Despite the OP, despite the blog posts? Despite the clear 'factions inside both' being mentioned?

If you are innocent and this is a mistake you are helping scum by misleading people. Or you are scum.

Hey in both of the posts you quoted I didn't mention mafia or cartel. So it shows I didn't give them much thought, until today not many people have mentioned them either. I'm not intentionally misleading people but the answers to my posts are quite good so I'm enjoying the interactions. Which scum would you peg me as then? The SK, the cartel or the mafia?
I assure you I'm non of them. My play should prove that really.

Or you were trying to lead the discussion away from mafia and cartels. And as people haven't mentioned them yet, as you say, you succeeded! Congratulations!
Yeah you do have a good presence on thread, but why should I tell you what type of scum you are? I would much rather lynch you and read the CF.

[Emurlahn]

Liosan, on 11 November 2015 - 10:04 AM, said:

So are you going to elaborate on that?

Yeah. I made a booboo and switched the targets of last night's action and my provisional around when posting. I think you've deducted how someone can be so sure about an alignment all of a sudden with no case, but for confirmation: it is the result of solid policework.

[Ultama]

Emurlahn, on 11 November 2015 - 09:54 AM, said:

Ultama, on 11 November 2015 - 09:45 AM, said:

If anything Eloth could be the one construed as symping/defending Silanah not you Emurlahn.

What's interesting is that you interpret that way. Are psychologically trying to make us think of you as Silanahs symp or discuss you in that context over some other bigger role?

1. the issue we were discussing was theorycraft, not actual case related, so 'protecting' or 'attacking' is just a matter of agreeing. Which I already explained I didn't, but apparently my intent with my posts didn't exactly came across.

2. You do know Silanah made an arrest of Omtose and proved himself to be a cop that way?
We cannot distinguish between protecting and fake-symping and I will readily admit I know nothing of Silanah before he made his arrest, but given developments: how would you read this in hindsight?

I removed from Silanah straight away and the reason I jumped on Karosis was because he was still advocating a cop lynch.

If you're talking about Eloth then we cannot know his motives. I'm sure his vote went onto Silanah.

I went and checked and you know what.

Path-Shaper, on 10 November 2015 - 11:10 PM, said:

It is Day One. 1 hours, 53 minutes remain.

Players remaining: Anomandaris, Denul, Eloth, Emurlahn, Fener, Gait, Grasp, Karosis, Korlat, Liosan, Omtose, Shadow, Silanah, Tholen, Togg, Ultama

8 votes needed for lynch, 8 votes go to night.


6 vote Silanah: Ultama, Shadow, Togg, Anomandaris, Korlat, Denul
1 vote Emurlahn: Eloth


Players not voting: Emurlahn, Gait, Grasp, Karosis, Liosan, Silanah, Tholen,
Players in jail: Omtose

He didn't but that could mean anything.

[Ultama]

Emurlahn, on 11 November 2015 - 10:01 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on 11 November 2015 - 09:56 AM, said:

Vote Tholen

For being mafioso.

Remove vote.


Vote Omtose

for being mafioso.

FUCKFUCKFUCK TOO EXCITED.

vote Omtose

So Omtose is scum. He's in jail though so is he a threat? The SK is out there somewhere.

[Ultama]

Path-Shaper, on 10 November 2015 - 11:12 PM, said:

Omtose has been arrested, is in jail, and cannot fully participate in the game until bailed out.

Could still be a danger. Thought he'd be actionless.

[Ultama]

Liosan, on 11 November 2015 - 10:08 AM, said:

Ultama, on 11 November 2015 - 10:04 AM, said:

Liosan, on 11 November 2015 - 09:57 AM, said:

Korlat, on 10 November 2015 - 11:23 AM, said:

Ultama, on 10 November 2015 - 10:09 AM, said:

vote graspWith Feners update it insinuates that the body snatcher moved during the day. Do we think that would mean we have Fodder for one day? Grasp has not posted yet, it could be that he is the body snatcher and he's selected a target already. Do we think we'd kill him if we lynch his current body? We've got to up the activity regardless. Not saying you should post a ton but post in a way that is hard to copy or distinctive in some way. I'm going to keep my level of activity up throughout the game.

What are you blathering about? What part of the post insinuated any such thing? What are you drooling about a current body? We were specifically told there would be no FM.

Ultama, on 10 November 2015 - 11:29 AM, said:

Ok so the Body Snatcher is just his name, where did it say no FM?

Ultama, on 10 November 2015 - 11:31 AM, said:

Forgive me I knew I saw it somewhere.

Quote

TMDI 10+This will be essentially a Town v Scum game, but both sides have factions within and without. Multiple Victory Conditions exist. Both exclusionary and inclusionary. Should this game be successful then sequels are guaranteed.There will be a SK. There will be a Survivor. There will be recruiting.There will not be: FMing, Necromancing, Jestering.There will be new actions: Arrest, Post Bail, Retire.

Ultama, on 10 November 2015 - 11:32 AM, said:

Are we going to assume Fener is the Survivor? The SK is the Body Snatcher.Does it identify who the recruiters will be?

So right here you thought there was an FM, you got called on it, you went back, read and quoted OP and everything was sunshine and bunnies.

Then Day 2 you say this is a regular town vs scum game? Despite the OP, despite the blog posts? Despite the clear 'factions inside both' being mentioned?

If you are innocent and this is a mistake you are helping scum by misleading people. Or you are scum.

Hey in both of the posts you quoted I didn't mention mafia or cartel. So it shows I didn't give them much thought, until today not many people have mentioned them either. I'm not intentionally misleading people but the answers to my posts are quite good so I'm enjoying the interactions. Which scum would you peg me as then? The SK, the cartel or the mafia?
I assure you I'm non of them. My play should prove that really.

Or you were trying to lead the discussion away from mafia and cartels. And as people haven't mentioned them yet, as you say, you succeeded! Congratulations!
Yeah you do have a good presence on thread, but why should I tell you what type of scum you are? I would much rather lynch you and read the CF.

I think the biggest threat is the SK. Left unchecked he will kill us all. All well and good voting cartels and mafia when they come about. When there's not much else to go on.

What are we thinking about distribution then?

There's a recruiter out there aswel. Have we looked into that properly?

Jesus Liosan, there's so much to go after. I'm glad it's all black and white to you.

[Emurlahn]

Ultama, on 11 November 2015 - 10:12 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on 11 November 2015 - 10:01 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on 11 November 2015 - 09:56 AM, said:

Vote Tholen

For being mafioso.

Remove vote.


Vote Omtose

for being mafioso.

FUCKFUCKFUCK TOO EXCITED.

vote Omtose

So Omtose is scum. He's in jail though so is he a threat? The SK is out there somewhere.

Anyone can now bail him out by posting that on thread (as per post #140), and who knows what night/day actions exist that do the same, but covert. There's also a recruiter around and my money is on the recruiter being either the mafia, or the salvadorans.

From what I've seen so far, this game seems a little bit like Morghy's Mafia/Not my daughter's wedding in set-up, but with way more powers.

[Liosan]

So, I guess nobody is bailing out Omtose.

Ultama the SK is a huge threat. Judging from the blog post he probably has a BP as well. But that does not mean you ignore the rest.

So, regarding the SK, what do you think after EMurlahn's info about Omtose?

[Liosan]

Shadow, on 10 November 2015 - 03:53 PM, said:

With SK that probably only has to be here for 8 nights to win, we really have to lynch.Saying opposite makes you quite suspicious, which is enough for me in this phase to voteVote Silanah

Tholen, on 10 November 2015 - 03:54 PM, said:

Silanah, on 10 November 2015 - 03:40 PM, said:

d1 lynches are a crapshoot. Analysing lynch trains is an interesting idea.Still no word on grasp. and we're 8 hours away from days end

You're right, we rarely actually hit scum on a Day 1 lynch, but that's not what I'm talking about.By not lynching on Day 1, we allow space for the killers to hide. By lynching, we require people to respond, we require people to react, and we require people to actually do something, which only benefits town. The more we force people to participate, the less space the killers have to hide. It's fucking basic Mafia.No lynches on Day 1 only benefits scum, always. A good townie's job is to die, if necessary, in order to give their fellow townies information to help find scum. Anyone who resists that is likely scum trying to get people to look elsewhere.vote Silanah

Tholen, on 10 November 2015 - 03:55 PM, said:

Dear Lord, that was a quick pile on...remove vote

I was looking at Shadow and the way he jumped onto the Silanah train, so fast that Tholen backed out.

Strange

[Emurlahn]

With regard to the SK: I doubt everyone needs him dead (that might be a difference in VCs between good and bad cops - I doubt the survivor cares about the SK either).

I assume the Body Snatcher will leave the game when he completes his killing spree and the game then continues for everyone else, with some of us already having lost.

Now, an interesting consequence of the abduct & kill mechanic might be that if the kidnapped player dies, the SKs kill is reset, just like with a FM mechanic of prep and jump.

[Emurlahn]

Out for a bunch of hours, I've spent most of the morning on mafia now and I have deadlines.

[Korlat]

Ultama, on 11 November 2015 - 10:12 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on 11 November 2015 - 10:01 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on 11 November 2015 - 09:56 AM, said:

Vote Tholen

For being mafioso.

Remove vote.


Vote Omtose

for being mafioso.

FUCKFUCKFUCK TOO EXCITED.

vote Omtose

So Omtose is scum. He's in jail though so is he a threat? The SK is out there somewhere.

With one hand he votes, with the other he casts doubt on the vote. We saw fellow faction members doing this in the previous game too, is what I'd say to that.

I'll go with Emur's obvious excitement and

Vote Omtose

[Ultama]

Korlat, on 11 November 2015 - 10:52 AM, said:

Ultama, on 11 November 2015 - 10:12 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on 11 November 2015 - 10:01 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on 11 November 2015 - 09:56 AM, said:

Vote Tholen

For being mafioso.

Remove vote.


Vote Omtose

for being mafioso.

FUCKFUCKFUCK TOO EXCITED.

vote Omtose

So Omtose is scum. He's in jail though so is he a threat? The SK is out there somewhere.

With one hand he votes, with the other he casts doubt on the vote. We saw fellow faction members doing this in the previous game too, is what I'd say to that.

I'll go with Emur's obvious excitement and

Vote Omtose

There's no doubt on my vote. My vote is there and bold. You should have similar concerns.