[Path-Shaper]

So... No lynch, however, the following two players are modkilled for inactivity:

Omtose and Mockra.

During Night 4...

Liosan has been killed. He was ansible and a Roleless Innocent.

It is now Day 5. 36 hours remaining.

There are 5 players left alive: Aparal Forge, Demelain, Karosis, Monok Ochem, Ryllandaras

5 votes for lynch, 4 votes for night.




Players not voted: Aparal Forge, Demelain, Karosis, Monok Ochem, Ryllandaras

[Ryllandaras]

Karosis, on 14 October 2015 - 11:43 PM, said:

Hey Ryll, if you are town, you have a chance to show it now by voting AF.

I hope Mockra miraculously pops up.

Was asleep, I'm reading up now. I went to bed at 3 votes to 1 with hardly and participation and was not feeling the Aparal hate at the time.

[Ryllandaras]

You should be glad I didn't vote as if Aparal is town then it'd be game over right now.

All 3 of Demelain, Monok and Karosis have avoided suspicion all game. I don't think 1 of the 3 have received a vote. No pressure on either of them.


I'm glad Liosan and Omtose are gone as it clears up the fog in my vision. I'm going to properly look things up today with a fresh set of eyes.

[Monok Ochem]

Ryllandaras, on 15 October 2015 - 06:21 AM, said:

You should be glad I didn't vote as if Aparal is town then it'd be game over right now.

All 3 of Demelain, Monok and Karosis have avoided suspicion all game. I don't think 1 of the 3 have received a vote. No pressure on either of them.


I'm glad Liosan and Omtose are gone as it clears up the fog in my vision. I'm going to properly look things up today with a fresh set of eyes.

Well, not if one of Omtose and Mockra was scum it wouldn't be game over. But you seem to know better.

[Ryllandaras]

Monok Ochem, on 15 October 2015 - 07:46 AM, said:

Ryllandaras, on 15 October 2015 - 06:21 AM, said:

You should be glad I didn't vote as if Aparal is town then it'd be game over right now.

All 3 of Demelain, Monok and Karosis have avoided suspicion all game. I don't think 1 of the 3 have received a vote. No pressure on either of them.


I'm glad Liosan and Omtose are gone as it clears up the fog in my vision. I'm going to properly look things up today with a fresh set of eyes.

Well, not if one of Omtose and Mockra was scum it wouldn't be game over. But you seem to know better.

When do we ever go off best case scenario? WCS dictates 2 scum left alive. I don't like this post of yours, insinuating there's only one killer left.

[Ryllandaras]

Even if it's only hypothetical it does us no good.

Did Aparal make an appearance or not?

We've got to be very careful who we lynch today. No rushing things!

[Monok Ochem]

Ryllandaras, on 15 October 2015 - 09:14 AM, said:

Monok Ochem, on 15 October 2015 - 07:46 AM, said:

Ryllandaras, on 15 October 2015 - 06:21 AM, said:

You should be glad I didn't vote as if Aparal is town then it'd be game over right now.

All 3 of Demelain, Monok and Karosis have avoided suspicion all game. I don't think 1 of the 3 have received a vote. No pressure on either of them.


I'm glad Liosan and Omtose are gone as it clears up the fog in my vision. I'm going to properly look things up today with a fresh set of eyes.

Well, not if one of Omtose and Mockra was scum it wouldn't be game over. But you seem to know better.

When do we ever go off best case scenario? WCS dictates 2 scum left alive. I don't like this post of yours, insinuating there's only one killer left.

I wasn't insinuating anything about a scum being dead. I'm saying that you said pretty clearly there are two scum left. There was no "WCS" or "I assume" in your post.

It's something that I don't see how I'm wrong to point out. I'm not hanging you on it quite yet, but it is interesting.

[Monok Ochem]

Ryllandaras, on 15 October 2015 - 09:16 AM, said:

Even if it's only hypothetical it does us no good.

Did Aparal make an appearance or not?

We've got to be very careful who we lynch today. No rushing things!

Thanks Captain Obvious.

[Monok Ochem]

What is your thinking on Aparal now that Liosan turned out to be town?

[Ryllandaras]

I'm reading up. I've done a day one analysis and moving on to day 2. You're acting weird right now.

You and Karosis pretty much wanted Aparal lynched yesterday. I haven't even read it through again yet but I'm looking at all players left alive. You should be using the time to look over things?

[Monok Ochem]

Ryllandaras, on 15 October 2015 - 10:26 AM, said:

I'm reading up. I've done a day one analysis and moving on to day 2. You're acting weird right now.

You and Karosis pretty much wanted Aparal lynched yesterday. I haven't even read it through again yet but I'm looking at all players left alive. You should be using the time to look over things?

Why am I acting weird? Because I've said one thing about you? Because I've asked you a question? Because I haven't voted for Aparal immediately even though you're the one calling for us to take it slow? What is your problem?


Yes, I did want to lynch Aparal yesterday, although I also had reservations about it, as I outlined. However, it was getting too late to properly look at others. I still kinda want to lynch them today, but the same reservations still apply. So I am "using the time to look over things". As well as, you know, being at work. Now, you're the one who didn't want to vote for Aparal, so I think it's a pretty sensible question at this point to ask for your reasoning.

[Ryllandaras]

Because you were so convinced about kadagar for 3 days straight. Karosis was barely an entity day 1 and 2 yet had the power day 3. Because I didn't trust Liosan and finally because Aparal's thoughts throughout the game echoed mine.

[Ryllandaras]

Not only that but you say Aparal was a sheep and that's a lie right there.

I've finished my analysis but I'm not going to be able to write it up for a few hours.

[Monok Ochem]

Ryllandaras, on 15 October 2015 - 11:16 AM, said:

Because you were so convinced about kadagar for 3 days straight. Karosis was barely an entity day 1 and 2 yet had the power day 3. Because I didn't trust Liosan and finally because Aparal's thoughts throughout the game echoed mine.

Yeah, so? You were convinced about Liosan for days it seems, and look how well that turned out.

Aparal's thoughts throughout the game only echoed yours because you were both quite happy to jump around at whoever happened to be talked about, or worse, have the temerity to look your way.

But at least you answered.

[Monok Ochem]

Ryllandaras, on 15 October 2015 - 11:17 AM, said:

Not only that but you say Aparal was a sheep and that's a lie right there.

I've finished my analysis but I'm not going to be able to write it up for a few hours.

It is a very strong accusation to say something is a lie, because you're saying that I deliberately misrepresented something. And if you think I did that, then I must be scum. So where's the vote? I look forward to your analysis.

[Ryllandaras]

Well, saying it was a lie might be a bit strong but misinterpretation of data to suit a goal was a little too long.

Aparal was one of the first people to express their interest in Emurlahn. He was against looking at signalling early on. He was torn between voting for me and voting for Emur.

Then day 2 they have a go at Liosan before anyone else;

Aparal Forge, on 07 October 2015 - 06:11 AM, said:

Liosan, on 06 October 2015 - 11:30 PM, said:

(all emphasis mine - underlineing)

Emurlahn, on 05 October 2015 - 07:55 PM, said:

No poster hunt:Vote Liosan

just again for posterity, you are a moron. this is the post that derailed the thread from fairly generic day 1 banter to an allout shitshow about symps, signals, bullshit, etc. if you were trying to waste the day, good job.again, the voting:

Emurlahn, on 06 October 2015 - 06:35 PM, said:

Demelain, on 06 October 2015 - 04:32 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 06 October 2015 - 04:24 PM, said:

Remove VoteVote Monok Ochem

Now you're just messing with us? Right? Did you get the part that players who don't participate get a mod kill?What's up with that?

I still haven't seen anyone suspicious enough to make a case on. So I'm voting no posters until they make a presence. Then, if the status quo doesn't change, I'm going to start on the single posters.Betting on participation modkills is a suckers bet. Nobody has been all that strict on them in a long time and Blend is one who tends to cut slack anyways.

although i am about to get a little meta this is way too meta for me as an argument for WHO TO VOTE FOR 4 HOURS INTO THE DAY. jesus, betting on modkills not happening because you think you know the mod is fucking stupid.====other things I didn't like:

Fanderay, on 05 October 2015 - 04:02 PM, said:

And omtose gets the snipe lucky man... Wait hes a realm, lucky magic?wait omtose is ice magic, and mafia people when they kill someone say they ice people.OMTOSE IS MAFIA<snip>

Fanderay, on 05 October 2015 - 07:14 PM, said:

<snip>you mean ochem, not okam as is ockhams razors as in razor blades, as in stuff you use to do drugs with, as in stuff the mafia sells.

Fanderay, on 06 October 2015 - 12:45 PM, said:

Im curious as to what emurlahn has to say. Not quite sure what the rationale is for going for no poster espcially so early into the game. I also don't think any of our mafia rookies are foolish enough to make a move that would paint a giant bullseye on them so early by mistake.Day 1 lynches don't usually occur and even if they do they tend not to have the greatest accuracy. Could be emurlahns the symp, hes betting on us not lynching him, and as the days go on were always going to be stuck go back to emurlahn and itll split votes creating the kind of scenario scum could manipulate.

Fanderay, on 06 October 2015 - 12:49 PM, said:

Aparal Forge, on 06 October 2015 - 08:32 AM, said:

Mentioning signalling maybe a simple red herring. Signalling related discussion usually go nowhere. If there are plural scum as seems very likely they probably are in internal communication. No symp worth his salt is going to waste his role by getting caught out signalling early on day 1.

i've been in quite a few games where talk of signalling just gets people into weird tangents and gets RIs killed

ok so all this bsns with fanderay just sort of stuck out to me. starts off more joking, acting the newb, repeatedly using the term "mafia" instead of "scum". this initially made me suspect him of trying to fake being a new player because then he goes on hours later about the number of games he's been in, start's using "scum" instead. I guess it could have been just a stupid joke but it caught my eye. I wonder if the change in playstyle was triggered by the shift in focus to emur voting people. nothing to make a case on but sits weird with me. unfortunately we have more important matters to deal with...sighhh

Liosan, on 06 October 2015 - 11:46 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on 06 October 2015 - 11:33 PM, said:

Way too much work at end of the day, Liosan.You laying out an early vote for Fanderay on Day 2? Scummy.

whatever, fuck you, man. it's not the end of the fucking day, we had like 5 hours left or something. IT JUST SO HAPPENED that the day ended early because of emur's reveal.also, WHATEVER AGAIN, fanderay's use of mafia/scum terms IS weird. anyway i disagree with stuff you said anyway. should i go back and respond to it or would that be too scummy for you? :rolleyes:i'm out for awhile. fuckin....day 1 healer reveal. this has to be a record.

Liosan is weird. His case on Fanderay is so flimsy. What easily reads like Day 1 banter turning into a more serious tone with the Emurlahn shitshow seems scummy to him.

Trying to distance himself from his NK target?

And also have a pop at me. The key point here is he does this before anyone else. In both yours and Karosis' analysis you have him following people and latching onto votes.

Later day 2 he looks into why he thinks Fanderay was killed. I don't like this as it's WIFOM but he's original in his thoughts yet again.

The only thing that Irks me, capital I, about Aparal us his day 3 play.

Aparal Forge, on 08 October 2015 - 06:05 PM, said:

I just did a full read through and the only two candidates are:

Liosan: Mainly Day 1 play, his late attack on Fanderay which I pointed out earlier could be distancing from NK

and KF, reasons being Mockras case.

I am going to go with Liosan

Vote Liosan

He states that there is only 2 options. Which as you can see were Liosan and Kadagar.

Yet he votes Omtose. Even when the votes were split between Kadagar and Omtose.

Then day 4 arrives and his only post (I think) was an expression of dislike for Omtose.

So my point is, he didn't just follow people. Not at all. That part of your case was bullshit.

[Aparal Forge]

Sorry, I literally fell asleep at my pc.

2 modkills? Thats rough. So assuming WCS both scum are still alive, tonight's lynch may decide the game.

I would have liked to see Omtose' CF.

Reading up now

[Aparal Forge]

Ryll I voted for Omtose to try and get a lynch. I never stopped being suspicious about Liosan

[Monok Ochem]

From memory, I don't think Aparal was the first to bring up why he thinks Fanderay was killed. I'll have to check, but in my head it's fairly certain that was aping someone else - Anomandaris I think. In fact, yeah, it's definitely what Anomandaris already said at end of day 1/during night 1.

Being 'one of the first' to express interest in Emurlahn is hardly evidence of original thinking either.


So I'm not too sure where 'the bullshit' is after those two things are countered.



Look, I'm not 100% convinced on Aparal or anything, but your counter-arguments don't hold water either for me.

[Ryllandaras]

Aparal Forge, on 15 October 2015 - 12:06 PM, said:

Ryll I voted for Omtose to try and get a lynch. I never stopped being suspicious about Liosan

You would have assuaged my doubts had you been present the last 24 hours or so. Anyway, I'll be able to throw my thoughts down sooner than expected.

Be around an hour