[Karosis]

If you read further down I explain why I voted Omtose and why I removed my vote on him. But you are not looking at that.

So far you all I see is that you are cherry picking quotes and putting your own useless thoughts on them.

[Ryllandaras]

Look here.

Karosis is quite defensive about his vote on Omtose.

Karosis, on 09 October 2015 - 04:23 PM, said:

Are you serious? You state that we shouldnt rush the KF vote, even took your vote off and then get mad that I don't vote KF? I stated that I am down to vote him if necessary. I will be around for that. I put a vote another on Omtose to hopefully entice him to post something. You do know we still have several hours?

Karosis, on 09 October 2015 - 04:38 PM, said:

Uhh, you are the one that has the problem with it first. Not me. I am not challenging your old vote, I am saying how you are contradicting yourself right now and goin off on a none issue.

Karosis, on 09 October 2015 - 04:41 PM, said:

I can hammer on KF, and will if necessary, but not when we still have a few hours to go. If people change their minds and decide to vote Omtose instead, that is their prerogative.

Karosis, on 09 October 2015 - 04:47 PM, said:

Ryllandaras, on 09 October 2015 - 04:37 PM, said:

Liosan looks as though he is defending Omtose and has actually voted elsewhere. Putting Kadagar at L1. I don't like it. How many votes on Omtose now?

Out of Kadagar and Omtose I'm more inclined to vote the latter.

I dont know if defending is the right word but why does he have a problem waiting all of a sudden? He already decided that he wants to and will vote for KF, so one can say he already made up his mind. He took his vote of because he wanted us to talk and have more time, but apparently has a problem with waiting a few more hours and gets super anxious when Omtose gets a few votes.

Karosis, on 09 October 2015 - 05:38 PM, said:

Actually its not MY vote that put him at L-1, it is AP's. If you are gonna spew a bunch of shit at least be accurate.

"sorry, was a full 2/3rds of the game day of me waiting to put my vote back not long enough for you?"

Dude, I am not complaining about you, You are the one complaining. I don't give a fuck if you put a vote on him now or later, but you show up and say how its suspicious how I put my vote on Omtose and not KF. You are the one that started complaining about it and now that I explain why I waited (agreed with you we should wait) you totally ignore it and keep repeating that I have some sort of problem with your voting and the timing.

You seriously need some reading comprehension lessons cause you either cant read or purposely ignore everything.

Karosis, on 09 October 2015 - 05:43 PM, said:

Remove Vote

There, that makes it only L-1 for KF for now.

To the point in which he removes his vote.

There is a possibility here that Omtose was scum.

Anyway, Demelain

Demelain, on 09 October 2015 - 09:07 PM, said:

Okay, here's the thing, I'm going to bed in 10 minutes. Before that, I'll check the thread again.

I want to say that when I put my vote on Omtose, I did so to get Omtose talking. I think it's very strange to just show up once or twice a day to basically single out a player without any content. At that moment, there was still plenty of time on the clock, so I figured it was a good moment to put down some pressure to get Omtose to talk. The one highest on my list at that moment was KF, though, for dragging up the same D1 WIFOM over and over again. (Well, I think most of that case has already been laid down, so I'm not going to rehash it again.) But, I wouldn't have put a vote down on Omtose without a willingness to follow through on it, either.

So, I'm going to bed with a couple of hours on the clock. Switching my vote would mean hammering KF and that's something I wouldn't want to do, yet. There's still some time on the clock. So, I'm going to leave it at Omtose.

I'll check back in 10 minutes, but that's it for today.

Says that he didn't believe in the Omtose vote and that it was to get him talking but he leaves it there and doesn't switch.

Monok says there are 2 camps forming for later analysis bit I'm not sure I recall one.

Monok Ochem, on 09 October 2015 - 10:37 PM, said:

Alright, we've got two distinct camps developing, which is good for future analysis at least. I don't particularly like the way the Omtose votes ramped up so relatively quickly, considering it's a player who hasn't even been around to argue things over with (yes, I understand that's part of the reason the votes are on them, but these are votes based on...what? Silence? Whereas there's at least some kind of substance behind the KF votes).


Ryll's arguments in particular are paradoxical and sometimes even nonsensical, so if they turn out to be inno AND right, it will be complete dumb luck

Monok then reaffirms his Kadagar vote. Right around the time Karosis is making his decision.

Monok Ochem, on 09 October 2015 - 11:34 PM, said:

I'm not going to make it to timeout so are there people around? I don't want another no lynch, but I would also prefer to keep my own vote where it is. A vote for Omtose from me would be purely to get a lynch at this stage.

Kadagar us hammered by Karosis.

[Karosis]

Dude enough of this useless fucking quote blocks only picking the quotes that you want. Conclude with a thought and a vote or some shit so there person can answer to a specific thing you don't like. I think you yourself don't know what you are searching for and are struggling to come up with anything.

But at least you are present. If AF doesn't show up again and I will vote for his ass again. He was here, what happened? Still seems to me he is avoiding everything he can and skirting until the day ends.

[Ryllandaras]

Karosis, on 15 October 2015 - 01:58 PM, said:

Didn't ignore it.

Maybe didn't answer exactly to you but I remember saying somewhere that I was not 100% on Liosan and those posts were there as I was searching for a reasonable explanation as to why Em was doing what he was doing. And guess what, my gut feeling that Liosan wasn't scum was right.

Yes I was wrong about Liosan. You weren't right though. You didn't voice that on thread. To me it looks as though you avoided my questions because you didn't have a good answer without making you look guilty.

[Ryllandaras]

Karosis, on 15 October 2015 - 02:10 PM, said:

Dude enough of this useless fucking quote blocks only picking the quotes that you want. Conclude with a thought and a vote or some shit so there person can answer to a specific thing you don't like. I think you yourself don't know what you are searching for and are struggling to come up with anything.

But at least you are present. If AF doesn't show up again and I will vote for his ass again. He was here, what happened? Still seems to me he is avoiding everything he can and skirting until the day ends.

Did you say this to Monok when he did his yesterday?

[Karosis]

Seriously are you going with the childish response "but he did it too!"?

We potentially lost 3 townies overnight. Its a fucken different game now. All you are doing is spamming the thread with nothingness. Get to the fucken point if you have one.

[Monok Ochem]

Ryllandaras, on 15 October 2015 - 01:51 PM, said:

Monok Ochem, on 15 October 2015 - 01:48 PM, said:

So far this is a lot like what I did yesterday Ryll

But I don't think our views marry up. You're opinion is biased so I'm doing my own.

Almost finished.

No that's fair enough. I wasn't implying you shouldn't do it. Just that the quotes/summary you were picking up on seemed quite similar to mine.

[Karosis]

Also since both of you are here, what are your views on AF right now. Cause I thank hes useless, still saying nothing and seems to be waiting it out.

[Monok Ochem]

@ Ryll:


The two camps I was referring to back then were those arguing for Omtose, and those arguing for Kadagar. Obviously, without Omtose's CF, we can't make any strong conclusions from that now.

[Monok Ochem]

Karosis, on 15 October 2015 - 02:20 PM, said:

Also since both of you are here, what are your views on AF right now. Cause I thank hes useless, still saying nothing and seems to be waiting it out.

I agree that they're not helpful, but in and of itself that's not lynchable. Their play in general, however, from my perspective, appears scummy. Ryll apparently has a different view on that. However, once again I have to ask who they'd be partnered with (that is, everyone has attacked Aparal at some point I reckon)?

[Ryllandaras]

Karosis the more I'm reading up, the more I'm thinking you are scum.
You've not mentioned Monok OR Demelain throughout the game. Your defensiveness when called out by Liosan, subsequent removal of vote, Demelain downplaying his Omtose vote or Monok refusing to switch, rehashing his hate of Kadagar at a time when you had to choose between him and Omtose.

I find it funny how you and Monok come up with Aparal after analysing the thread. Then later Demelain creates a case on Aparal. Fuck me, the only person I'm inclined to trust here us Aparal.

Any 2 of you 3 could be scum.

[Karosis]

Who are you leaning towards?

[Karosis]

Do you know how to read? Go back its all there.

Here is my explanation again why my vote on Omtose happened cause you are too stupid to get it. I voted for him to get him scared to say something. He didn't. I opted to go with Kadagar because I had a feeling Omtose will be mod killed. And guess what. He was.

It wasn't a defensive anything. You are just ignoring my already present posts and trying to convince everyone and me that is what happened.

AF is saying shit all and you defend his shitall-ssness. Seems to me like the two of you have something going on.

[Ryllandaras]

Karosis, on 15 October 2015 - 02:32 PM, said:

Do you know how to read? Go back its all there.

Here is my explanation again why my vote on Omtose happened cause you are too stupid to get it. I voted for him to get him scared to say something. He didn't. I opted to go with Kadagar because I had a feeling Omtose will be mod killed. And guess what. He was.

It wasn't a defensive anything. You are just ignoring my already present posts and trying to convince everyone and me that is what happened.

AF is saying shit all and you defend his shitall-ssness. Seems to me like the two of you have something going on.

So that's it. You're not willing to look back through the game. On our most important day because Aparal has said little?

What are your thoughts on Monok and Demelain because I don't know what they are.

[Ryllandaras]

Why aren't you answering Monoks question about Aparal's partner?

Most people have been suspicious of him at some point.

Monok what are your thoughts on Demelain and Karosis?

[Karosis]

I just did. Look up. You really need to get your reading comprehension skills going. AF is doing nothing and you are supporting his nothing. And that is sketchy.

[Karosis]

I looked at the game. And concluded that AF says nothing throughout it and that doesn't sit well with me. That is where I am leaning towards right now

Its fine looking through the game, but all you did was quote everything.

Demelain I am hoping will show up soon. Its also possible that he is staying back but he and MO voted AF so in my eyes actually seem like they care.

Monoch Ochem I dotn really have anything that stands out against him.

[Karosis]

And not just that AF is not saying anything, but hes just sitting back, saying what needs to be said at the right moments just to seem agreeable and not get mod killed.

Its everything together that I do not like about him.

If you don't like it bring in another case, cause so far you don't like mine but don't propose anything good yourself. Fuck, maybe you can convince me if you find something good.

[Demelain]

Karosis, on 15 October 2015 - 02:55 PM, said:

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Demelain I am hoping will show up soon. Its also possible that he is staying back but he and MO voted AF so in my eyes actually seem like they care.

I am here now. Just got back from work. I'll do a proper read-up first, before commenting on today's activity.

However concerning yesterday, I did care about AF, yes. The thing is, I didn't like all the WIFOM'ing going on, so I was planning to take a look at players who were prolonging that D1 WIFOM'ing, without adding much content or putting it into perspective of D2 and D3 activity. As I said yesterday, prolonging that confusion without actually adding anything new is only beneficial for scum. Now, while I had some ideas about players, when I got home there was a case going on AF and with just over an hour to go, it wasn't the time to make a new case anyway. So I went back to see if AF fitted that bill and as I argued yesterday, I think he did, so I voted for him. However, I'd have to admit that I didn't really have a partner in mind for AF, something Monok also had trouble with. (I have to admit that was a learning point for me, as I hadn't even fully thought that true as I focussed on detecting the WIFOM.)

That was yesterday, now I'm going to do a read-up on today.

EDIT: true should be through.

This post has been edited by Demelain: 15 October 2015 - 04:07 PM

[Demelain]

Okay, a lot has been said and much more has been quoted, I'm nothing to answer everything in one post or at once. I'm going to start with the AF case.

Monok Ochem, on 15 October 2015 - 02:23 PM, said:

However, once again I have to ask who they'd be partnered with (that is, everyone has attacked Aparal at some point I reckon)?

What makes you think their partner wouldn't have attack them? I mean, if we assume WCS, 3:2 with NK, we have to lynch scum two days consecutively. Now, I don't think they would willingly throw their partner under the bus without reason, but if they feel AF is getting too much attention, I don't think they would hesitate to attack. Only one of them has to survive the next two days. In fact, if they're anticipating a AF lynch, they might even be willing to instigate it, just to heighten their chances of survival the next day. If we assume BCS, 4:1, well, then there are no partners to attack or defend.

Now, let's turn to AF's defence today. I'm not really buying it, especially the Omtose vote. Here's why:

Aparal Forge, on 15 October 2015 - 12:06 PM, said:

Ryll I voted for Omtose to try and get a lynch. I never stopped being suspicious about Liosan

Aparal Forge, on 15 October 2015 - 12:25 PM, said:

And since when is changing a vote to get a lynch jumping on the bandwagon?

Since your explanation is totally unlogical. Here's the thing, in the post DIRECTLY before changing your vote "to try and get a lynch" you said that the ONLY two candidates were KF and Liosan:

Aparal Forge, on 08 October 2015 - 06:05 PM, said:

I just did a full read through and the only two candidates are:
Liosan: Mainly Day 1 play, his late attack on Fanderay which I pointed out earlier could be distancing from NK
and KF, reasons being Mockras case.

Now, end of day is approaching and your choice of Liosan wasn't getting any traction, so you decide to switch to get a lynch. Nothing wrong yet, but at that moment both KF (one of your ONLY two candidates) and Omtose were at L-2. However, then you suffer intense amnesia, suddenly forgetful of the fact that KF was one of your only two candidates and vote Omtose. The explanation for your vote is not the lynch, surely voting KF (your candidate) would have gotten that lynch train going again as you would have putten him at L-1. So why then? Well, because you were just jumping on the player who was getting negative attention at that moment. And, as Karosis added to that, the next day, instead of going back to one of your own prime suspects, Liosan, you just continue with Omtose.

So, saying that you were just trying to get a lynch is not the point, the point is that the target you chose for that is weird.