[Path-Shaper]

As of here:

Monok Ochem, on 06 October 2015 - 11:31 PM, said:

Vote Emurlahn

It is Day 1. There are 4 hours 18 minutes remaining.

There are 12 players left alive: Anomandaris, Aparal Forge, Demelain, Emurlahn, Fanderay, Kadagar Fant, Karosis, Liosan, Mockra, Monok Ochem, Omtose, Ryllandaras

7 votes to lynch. 6 votes to go to Night.

1 vote Ryllandaras: Omtose
7 votes Emurlahn: Ryllandaras, Aparal Forge, Fanderay, Kadagar Fant, Demelain, Anomandaris, Monok Ochem



Players not voted: Emurlahn, Karosis, Liosan, Mockra

You hoist Emurlahn into a tree by the neck. He kicks and screams about his innocence and...

Emurlahn has been lynched. He was Gnaw and a Roleless Innocent.

[Kadagar Fant]

Not a healer.... Soooo symp?

[Path-Shaper]

Against all reason, you roam the streets at night, hoping to catch a glimpse of the werewolves. The doctor is certain he knows who will be attacked. You all hear the sounds of growling followed by a blood chilling scream that gets cut short. You all run towards the sound and find that...

Fanderay has been killed. He was LinearPhilosopher and a Roleless Innocent.

It is now Day 2. 36 hours remaining.

There are 10 players left alive: Anomandaris, Aparal Forge, Demelain, Kadagar Fant, Karosis, Liosan, Mockra, Monok Ochem, Omtose, Ryllandaras

6 votes to lynch. 5 votes to go to Night.



Players not voted: Anomandaris, Aparal Forge, Demelain, Kadagar Fant, Karosis, Liosan, Mockra, Monok Ochem, Omtose, Ryllandaras

[Kadagar Fant]

That's confirmation of the fake reveal since "the Doctor" is mentioned in the scene.

[Karosis]

Seems like Emurlahn bit off more than he can gnaw on.

[Anomandaris]

Kadagar Fant, on 07 October 2015 - 12:07 AM, said:

Liosan, on 06 October 2015 - 11:50 PM, said:

i just had to go back and find a p-s timestamp and look at this lovely gem right above it...

Anomandaris, on 06 October 2015 - 08:12 PM, said:

I'm never adverse to a no lynch day 1 where nothing substantial has taken place. In this instance, to be rid of idiocy I'd vote to get rid of Emurlahn, but without any conviction. I just always feel it's important to let the other players know where your thoughts lie in case you are the nightkill. And the killers in this game have some people they will obviously want to keep around so odds are increased.

To be fair, I'm not up to the Ryllandaras "case." I'll have to read back on it.

eat crow, douchechill.

Doh!!

Y'all serious? You can't tell the difference between the two?

Fuck.

[Omtose]

Well fuck me, seems I missed all sorts of drama in the night.
As I read through I was thinking what the fuck are you voting for the healer?? But it seems he was a liar, and we lynch all liars.
If he was the symp I do apologise to ryll, if he was a crazy ri I'll say what the fuck gnaw?

Regardless this turns my logic trail on its head

[Aparal Forge]

Liosan, on 06 October 2015 - 11:30 PM, said:

(all emphasis mine - underlineing)

Emurlahn, on 05 October 2015 - 07:55 PM, said:

No poster hunt:Vote Liosan

just again for posterity, you are a moron. this is the post that derailed the thread from fairly generic day 1 banter to an allout shitshow about symps, signals, bullshit, etc. if you were trying to waste the day, good job.again, the voting:

Emurlahn, on 06 October 2015 - 06:35 PM, said:

Demelain, on 06 October 2015 - 04:32 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 06 October 2015 - 04:24 PM, said:

Remove VoteVote Monok Ochem

Now you're just messing with us? Right? Did you get the part that players who don't participate get a mod kill?What's up with that?

I still haven't seen anyone suspicious enough to make a case on. So I'm voting no posters until they make a presence. Then, if the status quo doesn't change, I'm going to start on the single posters.Betting on participation modkills is a suckers bet. Nobody has been all that strict on them in a long time and Blend is one who tends to cut slack anyways.

although i am about to get a little meta this is way too meta for me as an argument for WHO TO VOTE FOR 4 HOURS INTO THE DAY. jesus, betting on modkills not happening because you think you know the mod is fucking stupid.====other things I didn't like:

Fanderay, on 05 October 2015 - 04:02 PM, said:

And omtose gets the snipe lucky man... Wait hes a realm, lucky magic?wait omtose is ice magic, and mafia people when they kill someone say they ice people.OMTOSE IS MAFIA<snip>

Fanderay, on 05 October 2015 - 07:14 PM, said:

<snip>you mean ochem, not okam as is ockhams razors as in razor blades, as in stuff you use to do drugs with, as in stuff the mafia sells.

Fanderay, on 06 October 2015 - 12:45 PM, said:

Im curious as to what emurlahn has to say. Not quite sure what the rationale is for going for no poster espcially so early into the game. I also don't think any of our mafia rookies are foolish enough to make a move that would paint a giant bullseye on them so early by mistake.Day 1 lynches don't usually occur and even if they do they tend not to have the greatest accuracy. Could be emurlahns the symp, hes betting on us not lynching him, and as the days go on were always going to be stuck go back to emurlahn and itll split votes creating the kind of scenario scum could manipulate.

Fanderay, on 06 October 2015 - 12:49 PM, said:

Aparal Forge, on 06 October 2015 - 08:32 AM, said:

Mentioning signalling maybe a simple red herring. Signalling related discussion usually go nowhere. If there are plural scum as seems very likely they probably are in internal communication. No symp worth his salt is going to waste his role by getting caught out signalling early on day 1.

i've been in quite a few games where talk of signalling just gets people into weird tangents and gets RIs killed

ok so all this bsns with fanderay just sort of stuck out to me. starts off more joking, acting the newb, repeatedly using the term "mafia" instead of "scum". this initially made me suspect him of trying to fake being a new player because then he goes on hours later about the number of games he's been in, start's using "scum" instead. I guess it could have been just a stupid joke but it caught my eye. I wonder if the change in playstyle was triggered by the shift in focus to emur voting people. nothing to make a case on but sits weird with me. unfortunately we have more important matters to deal with...sighhh

Liosan, on 06 October 2015 - 11:46 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on 06 October 2015 - 11:33 PM, said:

Way too much work at end of the day, Liosan.You laying out an early vote for Fanderay on Day 2? Scummy.

whatever, fuck you, man. it's not the end of the fucking day, we had like 5 hours left or something. IT JUST SO HAPPENED that the day ended early because of emur's reveal.also, WHATEVER AGAIN, fanderay's use of mafia/scum terms IS weird. anyway i disagree with stuff you said anyway. should i go back and respond to it or would that be too scummy for you? :rolleyes:i'm out for awhile. fuckin....day 1 healer reveal. this has to be a record.

Liosan is weird. His case on Fanderay is so flimsy. What easily reads like Day 1 banter turning into a more serious tone with the Emurlahn shitshow seems scummy to him.

Trying to distance himself from his NK target?

[Aparal Forge]

Fanderay, on 05 October 2015 - 07:45 PM, said:

Kadagar Fant, on 05 October 2015 - 07:31 PM, said:

Omtose, on 05 October 2015 - 04:07 PM, said:

Although its a fairly open bit of scene setting by PS I'm never a fan of players laying things out and declaring to all that "this is how the game is".

I think speculating about roles only helps scum identify what they are up against, unless someone just stupidly let's slip their own role. No point in it.

Quote

And fuck you, I was first, accept it bitches

Does your girlfriend accept that?

it does get people talking however. As fun as this banter is, i figured may as well get the ball rolling

Fanderay, on 05 October 2015 - 08:00 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 05 October 2015 - 07:55 PM, said:

No poster hunt:Vote Liosan

isn't 4 hours in a bit early? I imagine liosan amongst others are still @work/sleeping/busy.

Fanderay, on 06 October 2015 - 12:45 PM, said:

Im curious as to what emurlahn has to say. Not quite sure what the rationale is for going for no poster espcially so early into the game. I also don't think any of our mafia rookies are foolish enough to make a move that would paint a giant bullseye on them so early by mistake.Day 1 lynches don't usually occur and even if they do they tend not to have the greatest accuracy. Could be emurlahns the symp, hes betting on us not lynching him, and as the days go on were always going to be stuck go back to emurlahn and itll split votes creating the kind of scenario scum could manipulate.

Fanderay, on 06 October 2015 - 12:49 PM, said:

Aparal Forge, on 06 October 2015 - 08:32 AM, said:

Mentioning signalling maybe a simple red herring. Signalling related discussion usually go nowhere. If there are plural scum as seems very likely they probably are in internal communication. No symp worth his salt is going to waste his role by getting caught out signalling early on day 1.

i've been in quite a few games where talk of signalling just gets people into weird tangents and gets RIs killed

Fanderay, on 06 October 2015 - 04:16 PM, said:

Ryllandaras, on 06 October 2015 - 11:29 AM, said:

Omtose, on 06 October 2015 - 10:01 AM, said:

Pot calling the kettle black there, I don't believe in symp hunting, or trying to paint someone as a symp, it plays into the killers hands, if an inno dies 'he was a symp anyway' Blegh

Why are you defending Emurlahn this much? I'm not even voting him, nothing else has jumped out that much, I just find his vote the oddest thing so far.

just because hes attacking you does not mean hes not any less suspicious of emurlahn, however the skittish nature of your posts worries me. You jot down a few quick thoughts, and now you're immediately backpedaling

Fanderay, on 06 October 2015 - 04:21 PM, said:

Emurlahns vote is just baffling to me, however it's going to be brought up tomorrow if hes alive.Ryllandaras is acting real funny though.

Fanderay, on 06 October 2015 - 05:11 PM, said:

Demelain, on 06 October 2015 - 04:27 PM, said:

Fanderay, on 06 October 2015 - 04:16 PM, said:

Ryllandaras, on 06 October 2015 - 11:29 AM, said:

Omtose, on 06 October 2015 - 10:01 AM, said:

Pot calling the kettle black there, I don't believe in symp hunting, or trying to paint someone as a symp, it plays into the killers hands, if an inno dies 'he was a symp anyway' Blegh

Why are you defending Emurlahn this much? I'm not even voting him, nothing else has jumped out that much, I just find his vote the oddest thing so far.

just because hes attacking you does not mean hes not any less suspicious of emurlahn, however the skittish nature of your posts worries me. You jot down a few quick thoughts, and now you're immediately backpedaling

I see the skittish nature, quickly jotting down thoughts, almost without too much consideration and attracting a lot of attention.Backpedaling I don't see, Ryll did put a vote down and, during the process, insinuated about Omtose as well.The thoughtless nature of their posts and their aggressive presence doesn't really scream "scum" to me, though, but I would like to hear Ryllandaras' response to my questions.

forgive me backpedalling was the wrong word, deflecting would have been the correct term as he immediately tries to shift the conversation back to emur and also brings up that omtose is trying to deflect.He could be on the mark.Emur though, WTF MAN? are you trolling us? you start this non sensical voting stuff, and rather than respond and give us an account of your actions you simply vote another person. less than 12hrs left, man. If you're going to troll us why did you sign up in the first place.

[Aparal Forge]

Fanderay, on 06 October 2015 - 08:18 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 06 October 2015 - 06:43 PM, said:

Fanderay, on 06 October 2015 - 06:40 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 06 October 2015 - 06:35 PM, said:

I still haven't seen anyone suspicious enough to make a case on. So I'm voting no posters until they make a presence. Then, if the status quo doesn't change, I'm going to start on the single posters.Betting on participation modkills is a suckers bet. Nobody has been all that strict on them in a long time and Blend is one who tends to cut slack anyways.

but your very first vote was 4 hours into the game.

So?At what point do we stop making fun of each other's names, doing dragonseks and move on to other things?

When the time is right, mafia banter doesn't go on endlessly but to just go for a vote 4 hours into the game. You're kinda jumping the gun and painting a bullseye on your back. Furthermore, assuming you are an RI, you've misled 3 of us into voting for you. (assuming the other 2 are RIs). But now we're getting into cyclical reasoning which doesn't exactly get you somwhere

So I went back and took a look at Fanderay. He comes off as a serious player who was also bothered by Ryll.

NK to weaken a day 2 case against Ryll?

[Mockra]

Since when is not lynching on day 1 the smart play? Yeah, we get it wrong somewhere like 93.6% of the time, but if nothing else (establishing reads, reducing the numbers of could-be scum, et cetera), the percentage game says that the chance to lynch scum becomes better the fewer players there are.
Anyway, I guess Gnaw figured if nothing else he'd draw the NK. Which was sank by lynching him, which is both understandable and sinking his play. Had I been there, I'd advised against taking him out there and then, but I wasn't and there's no crying over spilt milk.

What stands out to me is Anomandaris getting pissed off over someone making a case against him near deadline.
Sure, it could be read as an attempt to de-rail the Emur-traihn (see what I did there?) but it is content and I would say that a case posted on day 1 is unlikely to carry over to day 2. I also fail to see how a few quotes plus explanation is somehow different from putting out your thoughts. If thoughts are just little scribbles, well, they're useless. Because in the last half of my mafia career, people simply haven't been reading back, me included. Instead, they want everything on a platter.

See this little gem as an example (which is also perfect passive-aggressive defense: finger me and I'll make your life difficult) - for those who do want to read back, this was post 107:

Kadagar Fant, on 06 October 2015 - 09:33 PM, said:

Monok Ochem, on 06 October 2015 - 09:28 PM, said:

Vote Kadagar Fant

To put money where my mouth is.

And your reasoning is???

the post it referred to was post 104.... 3 whole posts earlier.

Monok Ochem, on 06 October 2015 - 09:26 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on 06 October 2015 - 07:48 PM, said:

I always look for the useless, "helpful" posters. As of now that's Aparal Forge who has 4 or 5 posts which say absolutely nothing original.

I'll vote to get a lynch, but Emurlahn is too idiotic to be scum.

I agree. Aparal struck me similarly, though I have even stronger feelings about Kadagar (who has, yep, now jumped on Emur to try and give that lynch some steam).

[Mockra]

Aparal Forge, on 07 October 2015 - 06:34 AM, said:

Fanderay, on 06 October 2015 - 08:18 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 06 October 2015 - 06:43 PM, said:

Fanderay, on 06 October 2015 - 06:40 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 06 October 2015 - 06:35 PM, said:

I still haven't seen anyone suspicious enough to make a case on. So I'm voting no posters until they make a presence. Then, if the status quo doesn't change, I'm going to start on the single posters.Betting on participation modkills is a suckers bet. Nobody has been all that strict on them in a long time and Blend is one who tends to cut slack anyways.

but your very first vote was 4 hours into the game.

So?At what point do we stop making fun of each other's names, doing dragonseks and move on to other things?

When the time is right, mafia banter doesn't go on endlessly but to just go for a vote 4 hours into the game. You're kinda jumping the gun and painting a bullseye on your back. Furthermore, assuming you are an RI, you've misled 3 of us into voting for you. (assuming the other 2 are RIs). But now we're getting into cyclical reasoning which doesn't exactly get you somwhere

So I went back and took a look at Fanderay. He comes off as a serious player who was also bothered by Ryll.

NK to weaken a day 2 case against Ryll?

So, you quote a bazillion posts, add a verdict that a lazy player could adopt as his own stance on someone (Fanderay is a serious player who was bothered by someone...) and then speculate over the NK?
If you are going to rehash a bunch of quotes per player, at the fucking least pick the interesting bits and place those in their context of the day and how it developed.

Lemme see.
Emurlahn started out quick and kept up voting people in posts containing only removes & votes.
We is an agreement on the layout of the game (2x killer, 1x symp, healer) based on the OP.
Ryllandaras makes observations that are not really observations, and everyone who was around at that time gives their opinion on Ryllandaras, which is generally not favourable, as witnessed by the fact he actually got voted.
Anomandaris has question marks at Aparal Forge (posting, but not contributing) Monok agrees but dislikes Fadagar even more. Neither results in much, although MO does vote FK.
Emur reveals as healer, everyone around has a dump on him for doing so and decides to lynch him.
Liosan points out early day weirdness in Fanderay's posts and Anomandaris really doesn't like the timing of the case.

[Kadagar Fant]

Well looking back at Emur, the only significant interactions he had with other players was by cotizone Liosan and Monok Ochem, and this early game conversation with Omtose.

Emurlahn, on 05 October 2015 - 06:33 PM, said:

Omtose, on 05 October 2015 - 06:24 PM, said:

If its werewolves we seek, surely Rhyllandaras is a vote of the day

By that logic then the other werewolve must be Fanderay with the chymp most likely Monok Okam?

This may be significant since Omtose was vocal at first in protesting the lynch, and Emur later voted Monok.

[Mockra]

Kadagar Fant, on 07 October 2015 - 12:16 PM, said:

Well looking back at Emur, the only significant interactions he had with other players was by cotizone Liosan and Monok Ochem, and this early game conversation with Omtose.

Emurlahn, on 05 October 2015 - 06:33 PM, said:

Omtose, on 05 October 2015 - 06:24 PM, said:

If its werewolves we seek, surely Rhyllandaras is a vote of the day

By that logic then the other werewolve must be Fanderay with the chymp most likely Monok Okam?

This may be significant since Omtose was vocal at first in protesting the lynch, and Emur later voted Monok.

Are you seeing a post about pictures as a potential tie between players that for anything but sheer coincidence becomes a momentary reality on thread?

[Monok Ochem]

So in what way does it strike you as significant? You're saying Omtose protested Emur's lynch...who turned out to be a symp at worst and so no scum would have known him (and even if they did, would not have bothered leaping to their defense).

So it looks like you're trying to link Omtose to Emur there, but the link doesn't particularly make sense knowing what we know of Emur's CF.

[Monok Ochem]

Yeah, okay. I'll throw this in with the tumbleweeds then.

Vote Kadagar Fant

[Anomandaris]

Mockra, on 07 October 2015 - 07:17 AM, said:

Since when is not lynching on day 1 the smart play? Yeah, we get it wrong somewhere like 93.6% of the time, but if nothing else (establishing reads, reducing the numbers of could-be scum, et cetera), the percentage game says that the chance to lynch scum becomes better the fewer players there are.
Anyway, I guess Gnaw figured if nothing else he'd draw the NK. Which was sank by lynching him, which is both understandable and sinking his play. Had I been there, I'd advised against taking him out there and then, but I wasn't and there's no crying over spilt milk.

What stands out to me is Anomandaris getting pissed off over someone making a case against him near deadline.
Sure, it could be read as an attempt to de-rail the Emur-traihn (see what I did there?) but it is content and I would say that a case posted on day 1 is unlikely to carry over to day 2. I also fail to see how a few quotes plus explanation is somehow different from putting out your thoughts. If thoughts are just little scribbles, well, they're useless. Because in the last half of my mafia career, people simply haven't been reading back, me included. Instead, they want everything on a platter.

See this little gem as an example (which is also perfect passive-aggressive defense: finger me and I'll make your life difficult) - for those who do want to read back, this was post 107:

Kadagar Fant, on 06 October 2015 - 09:33 PM, said:

Monok Ochem, on 06 October 2015 - 09:28 PM, said:

Vote Kadagar Fant

To put money where my mouth is.

And your reasoning is???

the post it referred to was post 104.... 3 whole posts earlier.

Monok Ochem, on 06 October 2015 - 09:26 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on 06 October 2015 - 07:48 PM, said:

I always look for the useless, "helpful" posters. As of now that's Aparal Forge who has 4 or 5 posts which say absolutely nothing original.

I'll vote to get a lynch, but Emurlahn is too idiotic to be scum.

I agree. Aparal struck me similarly, though I have even stronger feelings about Kadagar (who has, yep, now jumped on Emur to try and give that lynch some steam).

Huh? I'm not pissed off, nor was I pissed off. If I get pissed you'll know.

[Kadagar Fant]

Mockra, on 07 October 2015 - 01:41 PM, said:

Kadagar Fant, on 07 October 2015 - 12:16 PM, said:

Well looking back at Emur, the only significant interactions he had with other players was by cotizone Liosan and Monok Ochem, and this early game conversation with Omtose.

Emurlahn, on 05 October 2015 - 06:33 PM, said:

Omtose, on 05 October 2015 - 06:24 PM, said:

If its werewolves we seek, surely Rhyllandaras is a vote of the day

By that logic then the other werewolve must be Fanderay with the chymp most likely Monok Okam?

This may be significant since Omtose was vocal at first in protesting the lynch, and Emur later voted Monok.

Are you seeing a post about pictures as a potential tie between players that for anything but sheer coincidence becomes a momentary reality on thread?

If Emur was a symp then it could have been signaling to a killer, he wasn't exactly chatty.

[Path-Shaper]

It is now Day 2. 15 hours 24 minutes remaining.

There are 10 players left alive: Anomandaris, Aparal Forge, Demelain, Kadagar Fant, Karosis, Liosan, Mockra, Monok Ochem, Omtose, Ryllandaras

6 votes to lynch. 5 votes to go to Night.

1 vote Kadagar Fant: Monok Ochem


Players not voted: Anomandaris, Aparal Forge, Demelain, Kadagar Fant, Karosis, Liosan, Mockra, Omtose, Ryllandaras

[Kadagar Fant]

Guess I'll stick my money where my mouth is

vote Omtose