[Nicodimas]

@ Vengy:

Comprise from a terrorists org???

http://www.zerohedge...nal-regulations

Though Vengenance is reallly smart and if you put it together the idea of working off physics to create a auto weapon, should technically extend out.. anyhow they all sold out this week and company suspended operations. They went from like $80 to $240..( as a gun guy they aren’t supper effective..its why he had 12? Guns with them.. jam)

As a note does anyone find the fact he hammered out 2x plate glass(800 pounds) hard as hell. Anyone try to break say a laminated windshield with a hammer?

[Macros]

surely he could have just point blanked it with a gun, with armour piercing rounds.
that are available at your local qwiki mart or where ever

[worry]

Compromise with terrorist orgs isn't that weird. They're political organizations after all (it's not a coincidence they get their grunts to do the dirty work). This particular org's goal is enrichment, and like you said...the bump stocks are selling out.

There's literally nothing weird about this entire event. That's the problem.

[QuickTidal]

It always baffles me that the US gun advocates, when faced with countless western countries where gun control both makes for much less gun crime overall and makes for next-to-no mass shootings as proof that you can have your freedoms and still have your guns, seem to basically throw their hands up and say "It won't work here because_________"

Yes. It fucking would work there. You just need to stop the assholes who are making fistfuls of cash from guns from preventing the controls from being put in place.

It's literally that simple...and yet every damned gun nut has about a thousand excuses why not...including old favourites like:

"Cars kill more people than guns, let's ban cars"
"I need a semi-automatic rifle to hunt, and protect myself from attackers"
"Now is not the time to politicize this tragedy"
"Australia is only 18million people, that was easy to stop...it would be much harder here (so why bother)"
"How are you going to get 300+ million guns off the streets?"
"Criminals will get guns anyways, trying to stop them won't work"
"Let's deal with mental health, not guns. It's the crazy people that kill people, not guns"

I'm sure there are more. And every damned one of them makes the person saying it sound like a complete and total moron.

This post has been edited by QuickTidal: 05 October 2017 - 07:29 PM

[Nicodimas]

 worry, on 05 October 2017 - 07:13 PM, said:

Compromise with terrorist orgs isn't that weird. They're political organizations after all (it's not a coincidence they get their grunts to do the dirty work). This particular org's goal is enrichment, and like you said...the bump stocks are selling out.

There's literally nothing weird about this entire event. That's the problem.

Nothing weird ? They leaked his suicide pic, he installed cameras in the room that totally weren’t recording ( livestream anyone) , he screwed his door closed, the LV sheriff suggested another person. He somehow sledged out two windows..and no fire alarms went off. Wait.He hacked the security system too turn off said fire alarms.. fuck worry your smarter than that. Sit back and think about that ^

He also had tannerite/ ammonium nitrate and two planes.. jeebus !

Theres other stuff, but waiting for it to break.. people pulled his Lexus/nexis and did the trail..lots .. lots of info. Maybe it never touches the public.

In the end reality is stranger than fiction let’s see how this turns out.

This post has been edited by Nicodimas: 05 October 2017 - 07:33 PM

[Macros]

or maybe, and bear with me on this nico, maybe
anyone with a rudimentary understanding of electrical wiring can ensure a fire alarm doesn't go off when and interface is tripped, the exact same goes for any window contacts.
also window contacts only call when the window opens, they are generally mounted to the frame on window easily accessible, not windows on the 32nd floor. The alarms you see going off on a smashed window in hollywood would be motion detectors, which would not be installed in a hotel room on the 32nd floor. if they were they would not be switched on in an occupied hotel room.

the door was screwed shut.
ok
if the door was screwed shut, and another person did it, where in under fuck did they go?

do you actually sit and believe this conspiracy bullshit?? think every single one of your points through, occams razor suggests it was a fucking mad bastard who planned it and was able to execute it because your country has the slackest gun control in the western world, and refuses to do shit about it.
PERIOD

[worry]

LOL at he hacked the fire alarms. The reason police found his room as fast as they did was because he fired so many rounds his guns started smoking and his fire alarm went off.
The "evidence" people are using to theorize there was a second person is...wait for it...he ordered TWO Pepsis with a room service meal once. Do a quick search of "paddock two pepsis" and the top purveyor of that notion: infowars.

I dunno if you're joking around or not, but I don't see how you can accuse people of "conspiracy theory" in the USA Politics thread in one moment and the next moment cite Zero Hedge (which was founded by a corrupt hedge fund manager, anonymizes its contributors under the pseudonym Tyler Durden, and routinely cites Mike Cernovich as a source) and infowars-level information.

I did a little more digging, and video of a twinkling light has caused others -- namely Zero Hedge readers -- to believe there was a second shooter on the 4th floor. Except, uh, no broken windows on the 4th floor. http://www.snopes.co...r-mandalay-bay/

This post has been edited by worry: 05 October 2017 - 07:55 PM

[Andorion]

 QuickTidal, on 05 October 2017 - 07:28 PM, said:

It always baffles me that the US gun advocates, when faced with countless western countries where gun control both makes for much less gun crime overall and makes for next-to-no mass shootings as proof that you can have your freedoms and still have your guns, seem to basically throw their hands up and say "It won't work here because_________"

Yes. It fucking would work there. You just need to stop the assholes who are making fistfuls of cash from guns from preventing the controls from being put in place.

It's literally that simple...and yet every damned gun nut has about a thousand excuses why not...including old favourites like:

"Cars kill more people than guns, let's ban cars"
"I need a semi-automatic rifle to hunt, and protect myself from attackers"
"Now is not the time to politicize this tragedy"
"Australia is only 18million people, that was easy to stop...it would be much harder here (so why bother)"
"How are you going to get 300+ million guns off the streets?"
"Criminals will get guns anyways, trying to stop them won't work"
"Let's deal with mental health, not guns. It's the crazy people that kill people, not guns"

I'm sure there are more. And every damned one of them makes the person saying it sound like a complete and total moron.

I would actually be extremely happy if they did this. That would mean substantial positive changes to healthcare legislation and large-scale benefits to people in need of care. But thet won't. Because its just an excuse.

[Andorion]

 Nicodimas, on 05 October 2017 - 07:31 PM, said:

 worry, on 05 October 2017 - 07:13 PM, said:

Compromise with terrorist orgs isn't that weird. They're political organizations after all (it's not a coincidence they get their grunts to do the dirty work). This particular org's goal is enrichment, and like you said...the bump stocks are selling out.

There's literally nothing weird about this entire event. That's the problem.

Nothing weird ? They leaked his suicide pic, he installed cameras in the room that totally weren't recording ( livestream anyone) , he screwed his door closed, the LV sheriff suggested another person. He somehow sledged out two windows..and no fire alarms went off. Wait.He hacked the security system too turn off said fire alarms.. fuck worry your smarter than that. Sit back and think about that ^

He also had tannerite/ ammonium nitrate and two planes.. jeebus !

Theres other stuff, but waiting for it to break.. people pulled his Lexus/nexis and did the trail..lots .. lots of info. Maybe it never touches the public.

In the end reality is stranger than fiction let's see how this turns out.

I don't really get the point here.

I would not be surprised at all if he was recording/livestreaming. A lot of these shooters have massive ego issues. I would not be surprised if was able to easily compromise the security system. All evidence indicates that he planned this for many months. The screwed close door does not surprise me either. He obviously did not want police to have easy access to the room.

So all of this is basically telling me that this was a very well planned act. So what exactly are you trying to say? That he was not a lone shooter, but part of a larger organization? I think there would have been a manifesto if so. Terrorism without a manifesto does not work.

[Tsundoku]

A fairly decent summation of the way most Australians see it:

http://www.news.com....77bfd61db40b26f

[Vengeance]

 Nicodimas, on 05 October 2017 - 06:56 PM, said:

@ Vengy:

Comprise from a terrorists org???

http://www.zerohedge...nal-regulations

Though Vengenance is reallly smart and if you put it together the idea of working off physics to create a auto weapon, should technically extend out.. anyhow they all sold out this week and company suspended operations. They went from like $80 to $240..( as a gun guy they aren’t supper effective..its why he had 12? Guns with them.. jam)

As a note does anyone find the fact he hammered out 2x plate glass(800 pounds) hard as hell. Anyone try to break say a laminated windshield with a hammer?

That isn't caving. That is barely registering. Even the PLO has talks with Israel. Caving would be to agree that semiautonomous guns aren't appropriate for a civilized society, and aren't nessasry for anything other then to kill fellow citizens. Caving would be to acknowledge that 30000 people are killed by gun violence in this country every year and that the second amendment does not give people the right to take life.

Caving would be admit that while they were a good organization in the 1970 they have there way in the last 30 years and are nothing more then a front for the gun manufactures. Then disband. That would be caving

[Tsundoku]

Gun debate rules:

https://www.theatlan...missing/542229/

[Vengeance]

This needs to happen more often.

http://www.cleveland...is_nra_don.html

[Nicodimas]

@ the Mexico sitiuation :

http://fmshooter.com...ecurity-crisis/

[amphibian]

 Nicodimas, on 13 October 2017 - 12:15 AM, said:

@ the Mexico sitiuation :

http://fmshooter.com...ecurity-crisis/

This is a shitheap of a post and I'm embarrassed to have read it. I cannot believe you think it's a good piece.

[Andorion]

My chief takeaways from that article:

1. Legalise Marijuana at the federal level. You crush demand for illegal drugs and destroy cartel revenue, while increasing domestic revenue and boosting the economy.

2. If the cartels are actually that well armed and they are making armed incursions into the US, then deploy the US army along the border.

3. Arming civilians won't do much. Cartels in the USA won't be targetting civilians with violence, they will be targetting other gang members. An armed civilian simply becomes a target.

4. The wall cartoon made no sense whatsoever.

[Tsundoku]

 Andorion, on 13 October 2017 - 02:25 AM, said:

4. The wall cartoon made no sense whatsoever.

I believe the orientation of Trump's wall is outward to reflect keeping people out, whereas the supposed orientation of Bernie Sanders' wall would be inward - to keep people in - and manned by troops of a socialist state.

Apparently Americans think that everyone having decent tax-subsidised health coverage means the Govt will become neo-Stalinist and take all their guns away. I don't quite know how you can get from A to Q and then Z, but this is the way a significant proportion of American minds "operate".

Nothing could be further from the truth - I know this because our Dear Leader tells us so every day.

This post has been edited by Tsundoku: 13 October 2017 - 07:50 AM

[Vengeance]

NRA to the rescue


http://edition.cnn.c...ills/index.html


Of mass shooters.


Because they are basically a terrorists organization that wallows in Americans killing each other.

[Silencer]

 Vengeance, on 13 October 2017 - 08:02 PM, said:

NRA to the rescue


http://edition.cnn.c...ills/index.html


Of mass shooters.


Because they are basically a terrorists organization that wallows in Americans killing each other.

But Vengey, what sort of fee country would it be without the freedom to slaughter other people en masse on a whim?

Besides, how will the tyrannical government ever be overthrown without the use of bump stocks? XD

[worry]

"Bump stocks" is a little on the nose for what the NRA really cares about, isn't it?