[Cause]

Terez, on 05 May 2016 - 09:42 AM, said:

There are a lot of Jon/Dany shippers out there. I like the idea, but since Dany can't have any more children, if they do fall in love, one or both of them will probably die. My personal theory is that both will die and Tyrion will end up on the Iron Throne with Sansa as his queen.

I dont know why they would need to have childrens. The series wont go on that long I hope.

Still remember she recieved a curse/prophecy "When the sun rises in the west and sets in the east," said Mirri Maz Duur. "When the seas go dry and mountains blow in the wind like leaves. When your womb quickens again, and you bear a living child. Then he will return, and not before."

We have a Martell who sailed west to east and died, the Dothraki sea is experiencing a drought, the mountain died but also the brick pyramids of Mereen are being broken (this part is tricky). I believe Danny in her last pov chapter in the last book describes bleeding between her legs. We are meant to possibly fear she has the Pale Mare plague but it could instead be menstration blood.

[Terez]

Yeah, I keep forgetting there is an out for that prophecy. I wonder how the show would handle it, though. Maybe with Trystane, since Jaime decided not to kill him?

[Gabriele]

Tattersail_, on 05 May 2016 - 10:31 AM, said:

You'd think the White Walkers will have something to counter the dragons, do we even know if Dragon Fire will hurt them?

Why do we think Dany and Jon would be amicable with each other?

Because some people want a cheesy Mills&Boon Romance ending.

I'd hate it if they'll end up together.

[Gabriele]

Terez, on 05 May 2016 - 10:57 AM, said:

Yeah, I keep forgetting there is an out for that prophecy. I wonder how the show would handle it, though. Maybe with Trystane, since Jaime decided not to kill him?

Only click that if you want a big, fat show spoiler.

Spoiler

Trystane is assassinated by the Sandsnakes in episode 2.

[Terez]

Oh right, I forgot. How did I forget that? I guess he's just a forgettable guy. (No spoiler tags necessary; released material is fair game, including books.)

So yeah, I have no idea how the show would handle that.

[Cause]

Terez, on 05 May 2016 - 11:05 AM, said:

Oh right, I forgot. How did I forget that? I guess he's just a forgettable guy. (No spoiler tags necessary; released material is fair game, including books.)

So yeah, I have no idea how the show would handle that.

If its from Dorne and not the Viper its forgettable.

[Gabriele]

Cause, on 05 May 2016 - 11:19 AM, said:

Terez, on 05 May 2016 - 11:05 AM, said:

Oh right, I forgot. How did I forget that? I guess he's just a forgettable guy. (No spoiler tags necessary; released material is fair game, including books.)

So yeah, I have no idea how the show would handle that.

If its from Dorne and not the Viper its forgettable.

Amen to that. They should have left the whole Dorne subplot out of the movie since it was no more than a buddy roadtrip, a bad pussy, and a killing spree. They could have sent Jaime and Bronn to the Riverlands where at least Jaime belonged anyway, and if they were so deadset to change Ellaria, the voice of reason in the books, into a revenge goddess, they could have kept her in King's Landing after Oberyn's death. Doran was a waste of a good actor, and the Sand Snakes only lacked black leather to become torture nymphs out of a Goodkind novel.

[Battalion]

Don't piss on the Mountain's booooooots - Arise, Sir Spamalot

[Andorion]

My brother, who has seen the show and read only book one so far, has a rather unconventional take on R+L=J

He says that Lyanna birthed twins, Ned took one back as Jon, while Lyanna, who survived, fled Westeros later with the other one.

He has not read ADWD but this had me thinking about fAegon and the mysterious Septa...

[Nevyn]

Andorion, on 05 May 2016 - 05:38 PM, said:

My brother, who has seen the show and read only book one so far, has a rather unconventional take on R+L=J

He says that Lyanna birthed twins, Ned took one back as Jon, while Lyanna, who survived, fled Westeros later with the other one.

He has not read ADWD but this had me thinking about fAegon and the mysterious Septa...

I find that rather .... wildly unlikely.

It would be silly to have Aegon actually be a Targaryen but not the one which people think. Lyanna would not make much of a Septa (being raised to worship the old gods), and if she is really dying she would give Ned both kids, and if not why would she give either? Ned had to complicate his marriage and lie to his friend and King, and the kid still would have been safer across the narrow sea if that were an option.

Does make for a funny Yoda visual though. Jon .... there ... is ... another .... Stark

[Gothos]

What they've done to the Dorne storyline is a fucking abomination. On top of other major changes I'm seriously considering stopping watching this. Dorne is complete bullshit.

[Werthead]

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I've wanted a Rebellion mini series since S1 even came out. Seeing these clips could very well piss me off.

Never going to happen. They haven't got the rights and George has said he won't sell them, and there won't be a prequel series of books or short stories about it. His reasoning is that the Rebellion is important for several things that happened during it, and the full details of those events will be explained in full in the books themselves. The rest will be joining up the dots, which he considers to be uninteresting.

[Maark Abbott]

Terez, on 05 May 2016 - 08:31 AM, said:

Tattersail_, on 05 May 2016 - 08:10 AM, said:

Terez, on 05 May 2016 - 07:52 AM, said:

Rhaegar+Lyanna=Jon

Such a popular theory, we just assume you know what R+L=J means.

I have avoided all discussion on this until now. Reason being I am up to date with the series, I avoid things if I'm behind in case of spoilers. So first time I'm joining in.

Ahhh, then forgive me for assuming that the foreshadowing for Jon being a dragonrider would be obvious to you. I'm guessing you haven't read the books? That's unusual on book forums. If you like, I can go into more detail on R+L=J.

I've read the books and watched the series up to the current episode, and this is the first I'm hearing about RLJ or theories about people being Targaryens. I didn't really get any foreshadowing about dragonriders in the books either.

[Terez]

Yeah, it differs from person to person. I picked up on R+L=J on my first read; it was like Taimandred for me. Tyrion, I didn't start thinking about until probably my second or third read.

[Traveller]

I find that in any fantasy book, when there's a prophecy, dream vision or.. deck reading, I bookmark it and check back occasionally. I love Malazan for that, it makes rereading interesting too.

GoTs was no different; Danys visions were really creepy to look back on, there was even a glimpse of the RW, and Robs fate. The dragon with three heads thing stuck out to me so I've been assuming something will come of it since then.

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[TheRetiredBridgeburner]

Maark Abbott, on 06 May 2016 - 10:51 AM, said:

Terez, on 05 May 2016 - 08:31 AM, said:

Tattersail_, on 05 May 2016 - 08:10 AM, said:

Terez, on 05 May 2016 - 07:52 AM, said:

Rhaegar+Lyanna=Jon

Such a popular theory, we just assume you know what R+L=J means.

I have avoided all discussion on this until now. Reason being I am up to date with the series, I avoid things if I'm behind in case of spoilers. So first time I'm joining in.

Ahhh, then forgive me for assuming that the foreshadowing for Jon being a dragonrider would be obvious to you. I'm guessing you haven't read the books? That's unusual on book forums. If you like, I can go into more detail on R+L=J.

I've read the books and watched the series up to the current episode, and this is the first I'm hearing about RLJ or theories about people being Targaryens. I didn't really get any foreshadowing about dragonriders in the books either.

Tower of the Hand have a pretty good breakdown of the R+L=J evidence - you have to set the menu at the top for how far into the books you've read before it will show the content - http://towerofthehan...ws_parents.html

I seem to recall thinking that there were several times in the first book Ned could easily have referred to Jon as his son in internal monologues but never does - even out loud it's "you have my blood" not "you're my son". It was a second read where I really started joining dots and picking up on a lot of what's in the breakdown I just linked.

The show only really started to drop hints last series - the one that sticks in my head is Sansa recounting the story of Rhaegar abducting Lyanna and Littlefinger's face being rather disbelieving and his response is very non-committal. There was another instance of it in (I think) the same episode, but hopefully somebody has a better memory than me because I can't for the life of me think what it was.

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[worry]

@BK: There's TONS of Rebellion stuff in the lore cartoons on the discs. You can find them on Youtube using "GoT lore", and each season's entire set should be there (conveniently compiled in one video per season).

[Tatterdemalion]

Sansa will definitely one day be queen.
Let's not forget our good friend Grif too, although that could be a red herring.

I DO believe that GRRM got cold feet when his fanbase figured out all his careful plotting... and now is trying to change the game on us or one-up himself, when in truth he needs to just write the prophecies AS THEY ARE and let everyone enjoy the cleanliness of it. Not everything has to be M. Night Shamal-ALIENS!

[Maark Abbott]

Tatterdemalion, on 07 May 2016 - 01:14 AM, said:

Sansa will definitely one day be queen.
Let's not forget our good friend Grif too, although that could be a red herring.

I DO believe that GRRM got cold feet when his fanbase figured out all his careful plotting... and now is trying to change the game on us or one-up himself, when in truth he needs to just write the prophecies AS THEY ARE and let everyone enjoy the cleanliness of it. Not everything has to be M. Night Shamal-ALIENS!

Sansa is the Kaladin of GOT. The one character I actively hope snuffs it. Can't stand her at all.

[Terez]

Which is precisely why it seems likely she'll actually end up queen. She's certainly impossible to like in AGOT but like all the other characters, she's meant to grow. She's paid over and over again for her stupidity and she was young when she made those mistakes. She and Tyrion are another Ice and Fire couple, too, assuming Tyrion=Targ. She was the Ice Queen and the Cold Fish on their wedding night, but she was young, and stupid. And Tyrion basically saw her as a child, despite the custom that dictated she was beddable.

There's room for them to actually fall in love and for Tyrion to be Dany's legitimized heir before she dies. Again, it's really hard to see Jon on the Iron Throne. He wasn't scripted for that role. He was scripted for the North, and the True Battle. Dany was scripted for the Iron Throne, but she's the bright fire that burns out quickly, and Tyrion is the one who actually has the experience of ruling in King's Landing.

In my mind, it's either Tyrion, or no one; I can see the Iron Throne being irrelevant in the end. It's hard to see it ending with Dany on the throne; even as someone who often questions the trufandom on this point, I think that's too pat for GRRM.