[Andorion]

To me, Tywin is looking like a good contender right now.

He kills Joffrey and gets Tommen who is not a psycho and could more easily be controlled.

He sets up Tyrion who he hates.

He reduces Tyrell power without directly antagonizing them

[amphibian]

It's quite possible to figure out who killed Joffrey in the show and books. But it takes serious attention to detail in a weird way.

It doesn't affect anything if I tell you who and how, but I'll wait until you ask for that.

The thing I can't tell you is why exactly, as it hasn't been talked about yet. I can only speculate.

[Andorion]

Season 4 Episodes 3,4 and 5.

Ok, lots of confusion here

Dany

So Dany is going to try and establish a stationary control over the slave cities instead of continuing to march? Is she building a power base here which will be a launch[ad for future invasion?

Frankly I don't really like Dany so far in this season. Rather haughty and smug.

Arya

Arya and the Hound make a rather strangely comedic duo. I wonder if the Hound is going to teach her how to fight.

Brienne and Podric

Hilarious storyline. Podrics face when he becomes her squire is priceless.

Kings Landing

So many things.

1. Did Jaime rape Cersei? It looked like it, she kept on saying "Its not right".

2. Olenna had Joffrey poisoned, through an alliance with LIttlefinger? I didn't pick up on this at all. Also what was all that about Sansa's necklace? One fake jewel was poison? I don't remember her or her necklace going anywhere near Joffrey

3. Margery's meeting with Tommen was so funny, but I can't figure out of Cersei wants that wedding or whether she is just going along with Tywin.

4. Oberyn is playing hos own game, I am pretty sure about that.

The Vale

Help me get through crazy Lyssa logic please.

1. She loved Petyr, Petyr loved Kat, Kat loved Brandon Stark.
2. Brandon Stark wounded Petyr, Lyssa started hating the Starks
3. Lyssa poisoned Jon Arryn, and wrote a letter to Cat because Petyr told her to.

WTF

This makes no sense. I thought the Lannisters murdered Jon Arryn because of his bastard related queries. And this is true. There are witnesses and everything.

Ok, so maybe the Lannisters wanted Jon dead, told Petyr to do it, (why?) he got Lyssa to do it. This makes a little bit of sense.
But then why also write that letter to Cat? Thats what ensured that Ned would come South and start poking into things.

Littlefinger wanted Ned to come South, so he could get him killed and then he could marry Cat? Seems a rather convoluted way to go about it.

Also why did he rescue Sansa? Not for Lyssa, Lyssa doesn't seem to like her. He wants to marry Sansa? And so he allied with the Tyrells, had Joffrey poisoned, carried Sansa off, and now he will have Lyssa and her son killed, marry Sansa and become Lord of the Vale. Is this his plan? Seems way too complicated to me,

The North

1. How did Locke know what Bran looked like? They had no info about Bran being a prisoner in Crasters Keep.

2. What is up with Jojen? That fire which only he saw, thats quite new. And fire is usually tied with the Lord of Light.

3. If Bran could have warged Hodor, why didn't he do it earlier?

4. We see Raster dragging a girl of into the woods before Jon's attack. Next we see him, he is running around confused. What happened?

5. Jon said they needed to kill all the mutineers. They knew Raster was missing. How come they didn't go to look for him?

6. Were Ghost and Summer being kept in the same cage and Hodor let them both out?

7. Where will the women go? They won't go South, they burnt the keep, so that leaved only the Wildlings. Isn't Jon afraid that the women may have overheard details from the mutineers and may tell Mance?

8. The entire Whitewalker and the baby sequence was extremely creepy. I guess more details about that are WAFO, RAFO

[worry]

The Jaime scene is officially not rape but rather dirty dirty sex between two longtime lovers who know each other. BUT your view of the scene as depicted is pretty much right, and the director bungled it bigtime.

Olenna plucks the jewel from Sansa's necklace and puts it in Joff's cup when she has the opportunity. It does happen on screen.

Bran does warg Hodor earlier, during the storm in the tower they're holed up in. They're surrounded by wildlings and Hodor is scared of the thunder. The reason he doesn't do it often is because it's a disgusting, invasive thing to do and he has a conscience.

Petyr's plan is just what he says it is, in conversations earlier with Varys and on the boat w/ Sansa. He wants it all, but there's a hierarchy and he'll sacrifice anything lower for something higher up. But of course it's up to you to accept or reject his logic as you see fit. The one thing is I'm not sure why you think there were witnesses to the poisoning of Arryn, unless you're confusing it with the lesser intoxicating of Robert.

[Andorion]

 worry, on 28 October 2015 - 07:22 AM, said:

The Jaime scene is officially not rape but rather dirty dirty sex between two longtime lovers who know each other. BUT your view of the scene as depicted is pretty much right, and the director bungled it bigtime.

Olenna plucks the jewel from Sansa's necklace and puts it in Joff's cup when she has the opportunity. It does happen on screen.

Bran does warg Hodor earlier, during the storm in the tower they're holed up in. They're surrounded by wildlings and Hodor is scared of the thunder. The reason he doesn't do it often is because it's a disgusting, invasive thing to do and he has a conscience.

Petyr's plan is just what he says it is, in conversations earlier with Varys and on the boat w/ Sansa. He wants it all, but there's a hierarchy and he'll sacrifice anything lower for something higher up. But of course it's up to you to accept or reject his logic as you see fit. The one thing is I'm not sure why you think there were witnesses to the poisoning of Arryn, unless you're confusing it with the lesser intoxicating of Robert.

Yeah the scene as depicted didn't seem consensual at all

I'll have to rewatch episode 2. I missed the jewel.

As for Warging, by earlier I meant when Meera was about to be raped, or when they were captured. The were not constantly guarded, Bran could have done it to free them.

By witness, I meant that there were reliable witnesses to Jon Arryn's investigation and therefore a clear causality chain for his murder.

I still think Petyr's plan is overcomplicated. In fact it can be argued that he was responsible for the entire war.

I forgot to mention, I thought Locke's death premature. I was sure the Lannisters would retaliate against him for Jaime's hand

[worry]

Ah, I see. I don't know that they weren't constantly guarded to some degree, even if you don't get a scene specifying they were. Anyway, the implication is that Bran and co. believe they won't be able to get away until this moment, and who am I to argue with him?

 Andorion, on 28 October 2015 - 08:55 AM, said:

In fact it can be argued that he was responsible for the entire war.

[Nevyn]

 Andorion, on 28 October 2015 - 06:03 AM, said:

So Dany is going to try and establish a stationary control over the slave cities instead of continuing to march? Is she building a power base here which will be a launch[ad for future invasion?

Frankly I don't really like Dany so far in this season. Rather haughty and smug.

Building a power base? No. She is realizing that she can't instantly undo slavery by waving a magic dragon, and is torn between trying to impose change where she is and achieving her original purpose.

Its not a strategy. Its a reaction.

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1. Did Jaime rape Cersei? It looked like it, she kept on saying "Its not right".

Welcome to the director fails that begin the groundswell of politically correct opposition to the show.

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2. Olenna had Joffrey poisoned, through an alliance with LIttlefinger? I didn't pick up on this at all. Also what was all that about Sansa's necklace? One fake jewel was poison? I don't remember her or her necklace going anywhere near Joffrey

You weren't meant to pick up on it, really. Littlefinger's plans and motives are always hidden. The only real hint you get beforehand is the Martell's asking Sansa about what kind of person Joffrey is and getting an honest answer.

Olenna gets the jewel from the necklace when talking to Sansa and does the poisoning herself.

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The Vale

Help me get through crazy Lyssa logic please.

1. She loved Petyr, Petyr loved Kat, Kat loved Brandon Stark.
2. Brandon Stark wounded Petyr, Lyssa started hating the Starks
3. Lyssa poisoned Jon Arryn, and wrote a letter to Cat because Petyr told her to.


WTF

This makes no sense. I thought the Lannisters murdered Jon Arryn because of his bastard related queries. And this is true. There are witnesses and everything.

You were meant to think that. Everyone was meant to. Just like the Starks were meant to think Tyrion sent an assassin after Bran.

One thing this series is going to continually make you do is reassess what you think about characters and what you have seen in the past.

Eddard believed the Lannisters killed Jon Arryn. And Eddard discovered the truth about the bastards. But he only went looking because of Lyssa's letter. In that way Littlefinger managed to instigate discord between great houses without being himself suspected.

As for the love triangle, Petyr grew up with the sisters. He may have loved Cat, but he toyed around with Lyssa enough that she could delude herself that she loved him. She was a bit jealous of her sister but had nothing in particular against the Starks. But her husband was much older and not Petyr and it was not a hard sell for him to get her to poison Jon Arryn or write the letter.

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Ok, so maybe the Lannisters wanted Jon dead, told Petyr to do it, (why?) he got Lyssa to do it. This makes a little bit of sense.
But then why also write that letter to Cat? Thats what ensured that Ned would come South and start poking into things.

Did the Lannisters even know that Arryn had figured it out? They are set up early as scheming villains, but just maybe houses get set against one another

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Littlefinger wanted Ned to come South, so he could get him killed and then he could marry Cat? Seems a rather convoluted way to go about it.

Also why did he rescue Sansa? Not for Lyssa, Lyssa doesn't seem to like her. He wants to marry Sansa? And so he allied with the Tyrells, had Joffrey poisoned, carried Sansa off, and now he will have Lyssa and her son killed, marry Sansa and become Lord of the Vale. Is this his plan? Seems way too complicated to me,

Again, Littlefinger's motives are seldom spelled out. He clearly has a Cat fetish, but don't assume all his actions are about that. Remember his 'chaos is a ladder' conversation with Varys? This is a former nothing lord who is now among the richest in Westeros, rose to master of coin, and is now protector of the vale and lord of Harrenhal. The war has gone well for him hasn't it?

[Nevyn]

 Andorion, on 28 October 2015 - 08:55 AM, said:

I'll have to rewatch episode 2. I missed the jewel.

As for Warging, by earlier I meant when Meera was about to be raped, or when they were captured. The were not constantly guarded, Bran could have done it to free them.

By witness, I meant that there were reliable witnesses to Jon Arryn's investigation and therefore a clear causality chain for his murder.

Bran is still learning what he can or can't do. As he is learning it, some of what he accomplishes is more defense reflex than pro-active controlled plan.

There were witnesses to Arryn's investigation, but there is a missing link in your causality chain where Lannisters find out and Arryn threatens to tell the King.

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I still think Petyr's plan is overcomplicated. In fact it can be argued that he was responsible for the entire war.

Well, yeah.

Because it can be argued that the war WAS his plan.

[Andorion]

 Nevyn, on 28 October 2015 - 02:03 PM, said:

 Andorion, on 28 October 2015 - 08:55 AM, said:

I'll have to rewatch episode 2. I missed the jewel.

As for Warging, by earlier I meant when Meera was about to be raped, or when they were captured. The were not constantly guarded, Bran could have done it to free them.

By witness, I meant that there were reliable witnesses to Jon Arryn's investigation and therefore a clear causality chain for his murder.

Bran is still learning what he can or can't do. As he is learning it, some of what he accomplishes is more defense reflex than pro-active controlled plan.

There were witnesses to Arryn's investigation, but there is a missing link in your causality chain where Lannisters find out and Arryn threatens to tell the King.

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I still think Petyr's plan is overcomplicated. In fact it can be argued that he was responsible for the entire war.

Well, yeah.

Because it can be argued that the war WAS his plan.

So Petyr found out about Arryn investigation and had him poisoned, and then started the long process of initiating a war.

I get the basic idea, but I can't help but feel that the success of his plan was contingent on factors not completely within his control.

[Gorefest]

Like which ones? He used what was available, that's the genius of Littlefinger. In this case, the incestuous relationships within the Lannister House. That's backwards reasoning, though. If Arryn hadn't been investigating the legitimacy of the Lannister kids, undoubtedly Littlefinger would have found something else to use in order to set Stark against Lannister. It really wouldn't be that hard. The Houses are polar opposites, one all self-righteous on honour and duty, the other ever striving for power and wealth. Going by your logic, you could say that the D-Day landings in World War II were a bit contrived and too much of a convenient coincidence (bad weather, Hitler being preoccupied elsewhere, etc). The events happened because Littlefinger put events in motion and rolled with the developments. If you can accept it from Shadowthrone and Cottillion, then why not from Littlefinger? The 'grand master plan' of ST was also dependent on tons of unpredictable events. They made it work because they had backup plans, are highly intelligent, and because they are fantastic at improvising.

[Nevyn]

 Andorion, on 28 October 2015 - 05:38 PM, said:

So Petyr found out about Arryn investigation and had him poisoned, and then started the long process of initiating a war.

I get the basic idea, but I can't help but feel that the success of his plan was contingent on factors not completely within his control.

How much was really out of his control?

You are thinking of this like a specific master plan where every detail is planned out in advance.

Think of it instead as careful opportunism. He gets the ball rolling getting people suspicious of one another, makes himself an important resource to both sides, and feeds the fire based on the opportunities that come up.

[Andorion]

 Gorefest, on 28 October 2015 - 08:22 PM, said:

Like which ones? He used what was available, that's the genius of Littlefinger. In this case, the incestuous relationships within the Lannister House. That's backwards reasoning, though. If Arryn hadn't been investigating the legitimacy of the Lannister kids, undoubtedly Littlefinger would have found something else to use in order to set Stark against Lannister. It really wouldn't be that hard. The Houses are polar opposites, one all self-righteous on honour and duty, the other ever striving for power and wealth. Going by your logic, you could say that the D-Day landings in World War II were a bit contrived and too much of a convenient coincidence (bad weather, Hitler being preoccupied elsewhere, etc). The events happened because Littlefinger put events in motion and rolled with the developments. If you can accept it from Shadowthrone and Cottillion, then why not from Littlefinger? The 'grand master plan' of ST was also dependent on tons of unpredictable events. They made it work because they had backup plans, are highly intelligent, and because they are fantastic at improvising.

 Nevyn, on 28 October 2015 - 08:36 PM, said:

 Andorion, on 28 October 2015 - 05:38 PM, said:

So Petyr found out about Arryn investigation and had him poisoned, and then started the long process of initiating a war.

I get the basic idea, but I can't help but feel that the success of his plan was contingent on factors not completely within his control.

How much was really out of his control?

You are thinking of this like a specific master plan where every detail is planned out in advance.

Think of it instead as careful opportunism. He gets the ball rolling getting people suspicious of one another, makes himself an important resource to both sides, and feeds the fire based on the opportunities that come up.

D-Day is a bad analogy as o one started the war with the idea that the D-Day landings would take place.

I get the idea that Petyr started things moving and then capitalised on events. But there were a few places where things could have gone quite wrong

1. Battle of Blackwater. if Tywin had been even marginally late. Cersei would have poisoned herself and Tommen. I doubt Petyr would have reaped much rewards from that debacle.

2. When Petyr, in a rather clumsy way told Cersei he knew about the incest. He was gambling, but if Cersei had been unstable enough, he could have been killed right there.

3. What would he have done if Stannis had taken the Red Keep before Tywin got there? The main reason Stannis was delayed and his forces weakened was because his vanguard had been demolished by Tyrion, something Petyr did not know would happen. If Stannis had been able to invade as planned, the royal fmaily would have been dead. Again, no rewards for him.

This is not to say I don't understand his plan. I do. But you can never predict what will happen in the fog of war. And betting everything on a possibility is not really the mark of a great conspirator.

Now, as BK has said above, this could be a show thing, while the books could provide more depth and info. I'll look forward to that.

Regarding ST and Cotillion analogy, that doesn't really apply either because all Petyr has is his guile,

St and Cotillion on the other hand can call upon some extremely powerful players at practically a moments notice - QB, Apsalar and if that fails, and this is where the analogy really fails is that if everything blows up in their face, they can step in themselves:

Cotillion on Drift Avalii
ST enchanting the first throne in TBH
ST dragging Kalam to the deadhouse in TBH

Petyr can't do this. He is entirely dependent on his ability to manipulate and that makes his plans more precarious.

Actually I have another point to state regarding this, but before that I have a confession to make

[amphibian]

The thing that gives Baelish the courage to take these insane risks is how much money he has.

At this point, it's the Iron Bank, the Tyrells, the Lannisters and him. He, by himself, has enough money to get out of almost anything. With the Lannisters having such a hard time with ruling, he could even move up that far someday soon.

[Andorion]

(Looks around blearily)
So, I binge watched Season 4 and I have finished it.

Several issues

The Ironborn and Ramsey

I have to say this is the storyline that disappointed me the most. They attack the castle, Its a surprise attack, they break into the kennels and even after the fight they have the upper hand. Then the run away because Ramsey was going to release 1 dog?

1. Ramsey was fighting shirtless against armoured men, he should be dead, A thrown knife could have killed him or seriously wounded him.
2. All the dogs together might have been a problem, but Ramsey could only have released one at that moment. Not that big a problem.
3. Even if it was a problem, they seemed to be able to retreat without close pursuit. Why did Ramsley not release the dogs, or if he did why did he hold them back?

Frankly the Ironborn seem extremely overrated to me so far.

Daenerys

So Dany's actions are finally having some negative consequences. I always thought it was problematic the way they showed the slave liberations going off without a hitch

1. The goat was setup for the child. But it does occur to me, it would be quite easy for somebody to show charred bones and claim it was a dragon kill
2. I am sure I wouldn't be asking this if I had read the books before, but I had thought the big black dragon was called Drakarys. Dany shouts that when she is trapped in Qarth, and again in Astapor and each time the black dragon breathes fire. Apparently he is called Drogon, So what does Drakarys mean?
3. Why did Jorah;s pardon letter come this late? A strike from Tywin?
4. I was really upset with the way Dany was depicted and acted in this season, She seems to have become this aloof queen resident at the top of the pyramid. I don't think she walked the streets at all. And frankly that smiling face she shows petitioners is irritating. A lot of emotion seems to have disappeared.
5. The only time she showed emotion was when she chained the other two dragons. There is going to be trouble with the dragons later.

Arya and the Hound


1. When the Hound and Arya were attacked by those two ex-prisoners, why did the first guy try to bite the Hound instead of stabbing him? Why did the second guy, who had a sword, just stand completely still the entire time and then basically let Arya walk upto him and stab him? This entire sequence was so weird.

2. Arya's laughter when she hears that her aunt Lyssa is dead as well is chilling/ That to me is the sound of a person breaking.

3. When the Hound tried to defend Arya from Brienne, he said there were no safe places for her anymore as all her relatives were dead. So why was he bothering? Her ransom value had evaporated. It seems he really came to care at the end.

4. Arya just leaving the Hound to die was hard to watch. I suppose this was her revenge for Mycah, but it showed how hard she has become.

5. Arya finally goes to Braavos. That last scene, with the music was awesome.

I thought Arya's entire sequence was superbly acted. Best acting I have seen from a non-Lannister.

Petyr and Sansa


Mainly one point, and this relates to what I have written above regarding Petyr's plans:

What would he have done, if Sansa had told the truth to the lords of the Vale? They would have had him killed immediately.
I always knew Petyr planned to kill Lyssa, but I thought his behaviour was rather impulsive. That kiss out in the open, that shove though the door, all on a spur of the moment, and it could all have fallen down if Sansa had told the truth.

The North

No real problems here, I thought this was one arc that was resolved very satisfactorily. Jon this season has been miles better than Jon last season

Loved the mammoth and the giants, especially those harpoon like arrows they fired, and I loved the last stand in the tunnel. Ygrittes death was sad, but I had guessed something like that would happen.

Stannis looked so happy and this is the first time I have truly liked him. It seems he was born to the battlefield rather than those dark halls of Dragonstone.

Minor problem here: I don't think the Iron Bank should have given Stannis the loan. Davos' speech was all ver well but it didn't nullify any of Stannis' amjor weaknesses

Bran finally reached the destination, that little girl was part of the Children, as in those mythical elf-analogues? And they can throw fireballs? ok.......

Kings Landing


The Trial


Tyrion's outburst was very powerful and it really showed the anger, hatred and bitterness that had been building up inside him.

Shae on the otherhand was a bit underwhelming. Guess being stuck between Tywin and Tyrion really overshadowed her acting

Imprisonment


I would have thought that the new angry Tyrion would have been furious at Bronne. His reaction surprised me.

I was surprised that Jaime had to be prompted to go see Tyrion

Did that beetle speech have any hidden meaning?

Combat

This is easily the most gory-hard to watch scene in the show so far. And I have a major problem with the duel.

That spear Oberyn used had a blade 6-8 inches long. Plus it was poisoned. Oberyn hit the Mountain in the chest and a major portion of the blade went in. He should have hit heart/lungs/major blood vessel. And then he pulled it out. The Mountain should have been dead, and if not dead, at least so wounded that he should have been entirely unable to do what he did. There's strong and then there's ridiculous,

I do not like the frequency with which they keep on changing Mountain actors. This guy looked nothing like the older brother of the Hound.

Did anybody else get any Princess Bride vibes from Oberyn's chanting?

Escape

Jaime and Tyrions hug was awesome,

Tyrion killing Shae was hard to watch. It showed how far he had been pushed over the brink

Tyrion vs Tywin showed to me how Tyrion was Tywins greatest failure. He never even tried to understand him.

I am going to miss Tywin and the Lannisters are going to be an utter shambles without him

Why did Varys take ship too? Was it a gesture that he had failed at the capital?

Jaime and Cersei


Why did Cersei tell Tywin about the incest? It maight have been very satisfying but if he had lived things might have gotten tricky

The 'rape' seems to have changed nothing in the Jaime-Cersei dynamic at all. I feel like I have missed something in their relationship


So there it is. Very long, and I hope I made sense

[worry]

I think the Ironborn rescue scene was simply the most naked the show has been in terms of how it manages its budget, even moreso than the Yunkai conquest. I don't know if the show has 2nd, 3rd, etc units but there are scenes in 4 and 5 where the limitations are definitely there on screen.

There are very definite Princess Bride vibes in that fight scene, with a nasty twist of course.

Varys is going to return to Kings Landing, but hearing the bells instantly tells him what's up and he does some quick calculating.

[Andorion]

I forgot to add a few things

1. I loved Mance and Jon's back and forth. And it seems to me that the best thing to do ould be to offer the Wildings amnesty and recruit them to fight the White walkers

2. Gilly and her baby are really cute. I hope they make it.

3. I am getting extremely worried over the fact that Melisandre brought Shireen with them. What does she want the kid for? Royal blood?

4. Do we ever get to see Gendry again?

Edit: Can anyone tell me the approximate time gap between Season 2 episode 10 and Season 4 episode 10?

Approximately 2 years? I am trying to estimate Dragon growth rate

This post has been edited by Andorion: 29 October 2015 - 04:29 AM

[Gorefest]

One thing to say here is that the books and the tv series seriously start to diverge from the 4th season onwards. So some of the issues that you raise (Ironborn depiction, Daenerys' and Petyr's actions, character interactions such as Cersei and Jaime's) are playing out from slightly to wholly different. Should be interesting to see how you feel about some of the choices that the tv directors made after you've read the next book(s).

[Andorion]

 Gorefest, on 29 October 2015 - 11:13 AM, said:

One thing to say here is that the books and the tv series seriously start to diverge from the 4th season onwards. So some of the issues that you raise (Ironborn depiction, Daenerys' and Petyr's actions, character interactions such as Cersei and Jaime's) are playing out from slightly to wholly different. Should be interesting to see how you feel about some of the choices that the tv directors made after you've read the next book(s).

I have been wondering about this a lot, because a lot of things don't make sense. Also I have been waiting forever for Targaryen backstory and the show won't give me any.

One reason I am hurrying is because I want to be done with this, and finally get into the books. Frankly I think Season 4, overall was below par

[Andorion]

 Briar King, on 29 October 2015 - 03:20 AM, said:

Yep The Iron born rescue attempt was utter shit and pissed me off but I won't say more of it. You ll have to read and then see how bad that actually was...

Dany is speaking Valyarin and that word is the command to fire/burn they used to use. Basically it's the "sic em boy!" We tell a dog

 worry, on 29 October 2015 - 04:21 AM, said:

I think the Ironborn rescue scene was simply the most naked the show has been in terms of how it manages its budget, even moreso than the Yunkai conquest. I don't know if the show has 2nd, 3rd, etc units but there are scenes in 4 and 5 where the limitations are definitely there on screen.

There are very definite Princess Bride vibes in that fight scene, with a nasty twist of course.

Varys is going to return to Kings Landing, but hearing the bells instantly tells him what's up and he does some quick calculating.

I am not even sure why the Ironborn as a faction exist. They have had minimal impact except for some raids on isolated places. Theon arguably pulled off their biggest achievement

Drakarys was a better dragon name than Drogon. Pity

[Nevyn]

 Andorion, on 29 October 2015 - 03:50 PM, said:

I am not even sure why the Ironborn as a faction exist. They have had minimal impact except for some raids on isolated places. Theon arguably pulled off their biggest achievement

Drakarys was a better dragon name than Drogon. Pity

Don't think the show focuses on it much, but Dany named her dragons after her Husband, Brother, and Uncle

Drogon - after Drogo.
Rhaegal - after Rhaegar
Viserion - after Viserys

This post has been edited by Nevyn: 30 October 2015 - 12:29 AM