[Ampelas]

Omtose, on 13 February 2015 - 07:09 PM, said:

Well we have like four days now to look at it, which is half the reason I revealed now, so no rush

Yeah and I have monday off. Which means that I won't be posting for 4 days.

Feel free to take your time. I have adjusted my list accordingly.

[Omtose]

Ampelas, on 13 February 2015 - 07:13 PM, said:

Omtose, on 13 February 2015 - 07:09 PM, said:

Well we have like four days now to look at it, which is half the reason I revealed now, so no rush

Yeah and I have monday off. Which means that I won't be posting for 4 days.

Feel free to take your time. I have adjusted my list accordingly.

We could also end in an orgy of bloodletting, if you're telling the truth anyway.

I also have a one-shot vig.

We lynch you, Ampelas, you suicide on one of Tulas or Tennes, and I vig the other.


That's if we don't feel like, you know, studying the thread and voting on the likeliest scum

[Tholen]

Omtose, on 13 February 2015 - 07:19 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 13 February 2015 - 07:13 PM, said:

Omtose, on 13 February 2015 - 07:09 PM, said:

Well we have like four days now to look at it, which is half the reason I revealed now, so no rush

Yeah and I have monday off. Which means that I won't be posting for 4 days.

Feel free to take your time. I have adjusted my list accordingly.

We could also end in an orgy of bloodletting, if you're telling the truth anyway.

I also have a one-shot vig.

We lynch you, Ampelas, you suicide on one of Tulas or Tennes, and I vig the other.


That's if we don't feel like, you know, studying the thread and voting on the likeliest scum

Wait, wut?? FInder and vig? Bullshit.

[Omtose]

I hav a one-time vig. If I do it, I can't perform the find action that night.

[Omtose]

Oh, the reason I have it is because I had a personal VC of kill Kalam Mekhar. That went pretty quickly

[Ampelas]

Omtose, on 13 February 2015 - 07:19 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 13 February 2015 - 07:13 PM, said:

Omtose, on 13 February 2015 - 07:09 PM, said:

Well we have like four days now to look at it, which is half the reason I revealed now, so no rush

Yeah and I have monday off. Which means that I won't be posting for 4 days.

Feel free to take your time. I have adjusted my list accordingly.

We could also end in an orgy of bloodletting, if you're telling the truth anyway.

I also have a one-shot vig.

We lynch you, Ampelas, you suicide on one of Tulas or Tennes, and I vig the other.


That's if we don't feel like, you know, studying the thread and voting on the likeliest scum

Right now I am set up to take out one of Tulas, Tiam, and Alkend.

It isn't as though I don't trust you.... Well actually it is.

[Alkend]

Nice!

I'll get around to a re-read sometime today, now with the knowledge of Rikkter also being scum.

[Omtose]

I've been doing a full reread. I have to say this is a toughie. Some quotes from Rikkter below, see what you guys make of it.

Rikkter takes a look at Ampelas first off. This is their first major contribution and happened on day 3.

Rikkter, on 12 February 2015 - 03:07 PM, said:

Frankly I find Ampelas rather suspicious. Check this out:

Ampelas, on 11 February 2015 - 09:14 PM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 11 February 2015 - 08:27 PM, said:

...

PS I would like to point this out.

Ampelas, on 11 February 2015 - 09:17 PM, said:

Well Korbas was kalam. Didn't see that coming. Poor bubba. Work is still kicking my ass. GOing to go and take a look at what has been happening today before my next meeting.

Ampelas, on 11 February 2015 - 10:01 PM, said:

Just got out of a meeting about laundering money. Fun stuff. Don't do it. If you do. Go big.

Ampelas, on 11 February 2015 - 10:04 PM, said:

Alkend, on 11 February 2015 - 01:12 AM, said:

Based on a quick re-read of votes, Tulas and Venesara look less suspicious due to their vote timing and their reasoning. After them (Rikter on) it's hard to say if it's not a partner throwing them under the bus for distancing purposes.Mockra and Pallid look suspicious, obviously. Ampelas maybe, but they put down their first vote on Tennes and basically disappeared. (Which could be calculated lurking I suppose)

Why didn't you vote at all?

Ampelas, on 11 February 2015 - 10:16 PM, said:

Right now I think scum is anyone from Omtose on at the end of the train, mockra and alkend. Of all of that I like Mockra for my vote. Because the Tennes train had died down while the Korabas train had picked up steam. Mockra's vote seemed like an attempt to derail Korabas's train and try to get the momentum to switch. Vote Mockra

He logs in after a big gap, messes around a bit, and then goes for Mockra. Before that it was MOckra 2, Tholen 2. He tips the balance. And then Tholen jumps in with his vote. At this point Mockra for some reason goes hara-kiri on us and Pallid finishes it off. Earlier in the day there was actually a pretty intense debate on Tholen and Mockra. But with Ampelas' intervention things just skidded off. Frankly I want to take a bettr look at Ampelas, and a couple of others.

[Omtose]

In response to me, he highlights Ampelas, Pallid and Tholen as suspects. And then mentions Tennes at the end there too, without any real explanation as to why. Putting the fellow scum's name in there just in case?

Rikkter, on 12 February 2015 - 04:03 PM, said:

Omtose, on 12 February 2015 - 03:53 PM, said:

Tennes, on 09 February 2015 - 07:41 PM, said:

Have you read the books this entire forums is based on?

Hellooo we're the fucking claw. Trying to stop Tavore. We are BAD GUYS here.

Haha, I can't stop now. In response to Ampelas' vote on them, Tennes says this. I can't stop myself from now reading it as "You fucking jackass moron, I am on YOUR SIDE!"

😁 well nobody ever said scum had to be competent, I mean they lost Kalam on the first day. As a point of interest the other Tennes votes were from Pallid and Tholen. Ampelas Pallid and Tholen were also among the dead last voters on the Mockra Lynch. So what Iam saying is this 3 and their activities may be a promising line of enquiry. Put Tennes in their too. Now I just need to get to a damn pc as this phones autocorrect is killing me.

What the hell is a Kalamazoo anyway. Keeps on replacing Kalam with that

[Omtose]

Then does an analysis of Tholen, before voting for them. I'm mostly looking at who isn't mentioned here. Tulas, Tennes. Venesara is mentioned positively, and Tiam is skimmed over.

Rikkter, on 12 February 2015 - 06:25 PM, said:

So I was taking a look at Ampelas and Tholen on Day 1.

Ampelas, on 09 February 2015 - 07:16 PM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 09 February 2015 - 07:12 PM, said:

Tennes, on 09 February 2015 - 05:59 PM, said:

back to the subject at hand, namely of us being the bad guys;

Welp, easiest game ever?

I haven't seen that happen in a long time. Slips happen though. Vote Tennes

This is the post that started it all. Slip, signal, silly humour, whatever, Ampelas jumps right on it and immediately votes.

Tholen, on 09 February 2015 - 08:44 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 09 February 2015 - 08:25 PM, said:

Tennes, on 09 February 2015 - 07:41 PM, said:

Have you read the books this entire forums is based on?Hellooo we're the fucking claw. Trying to stop Tavore. We are BAD GUYS here.

You would only think that the claw are the bad guys if you are Tavore. Otherwise they are the bad guys. Upsetting the empress and trying to sow rebellion are bad things. We are the claw and protect the empire.

Amp does have a point.Vote Tennes

Tholen jumps on this, with minimum discussion and votes.

Pallid, on 10 February 2015 - 12:42 AM, said:

Korbas, on 10 February 2015 - 12:29 AM, said:

Snape kills Dumbbledore

Also, Dumbledore was Bruce Willis all along. Who knows, maybe we got something here.Vote Tennes

Pallid just wanders along and adds his vote.

Venesara, on 10 February 2015 - 01:35 AM, said:

Ampelas, on 09 February 2015 - 07:16 PM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 09 February 2015 - 07:12 PM, said:

Tennes, on 09 February 2015 - 05:59 PM, said:

back to the subject at hand, namely of us being the bad guys;

Welp, easiest game ever?

I haven't seen that happen in a long time. Slips happen though. Vote Tennes

I personally think the person starting the vote is stretching. Claws are bad guys after all. Vote Amplelas

Venesara tries to inject some sanity into proceedings

Tholen, on 10 February 2015 - 02:57 AM, said:

Venesara, on 10 February 2015 - 01:37 AM, said:

The rest of the votes seem like people jumping in on the only excitement of the day. Tho, I wouldn't be surprised if the scummy good guys are already represented on the train...

Venesara, on 10 February 2015 - 01:55 AM, said:

Not at all. I know the bad guys are town this game. It's a reversal since there are limited good guys in this scenario.

Are you trying to cover the original slip by clouding the good guy bad guy dynamic?

Tholen isn't having any of that though.

Tholen, on 11 February 2015 - 12:44 AM, said:

Remove voteVote Korbas

Then, much later he switches to Korbas. This is important. When does he do this? It was Tennes 4, Korbas 3. Then Omtose and Ultuma put in well reasoned votes for Korbas. Making it Korbas 5, Tennes 4. I put in my bit, Tiamatha makes a rather late arrival to cast his vote, making it 7 to Korbas. This is when Tholen finally jumps on the bandwagon. I beleive there wa some discussion earlier about fag-end votes by scum? Well Tholen's vote comes in with barely 20 minutes to spare

Alkend, on 11 February 2015 - 12:45 AM, said:

Vote KorbasTo make the lynch happen.

Then there's Alkends vote. But I think Omtose is looking at him.

So based off day 1, I am looking at Tholen and Ampelas. Will look at Day 2 now.

[Omtose]

This response to Amp's reveal from Tennes is ineresting. If scum, you would expect to hold off reacting and see what others say first, before mimicking that response. But Tennes is the first to go no, actually, we're not all similar to you Amp.

Tennes, on 12 February 2015 - 11:15 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 12 February 2015 - 10:02 PM, said:

Omtose, on 12 February 2015 - 09:27 PM, said:

@Ampelas


What do you mean, Mockra's kill list? What are you talking about?


Also, interesting you bring up that post from Pallid. If anything, it would make Pallid more towney to me. Surely if anyone is most aware that Kalam is dead, it's scum! You're right that Pallid is clearly not paying enough attention to the game, but that smacks of unengaged townie to me.

I have a kill list. I assume that all of the claws do. Thus anyone who doesn't is suspect to me. I will tell you right now that you are on my kill list, but your not the top one.

Oh fan-fucking-tastic we really are at each others throats as well as trying to lynch the scum, it wasn't just flavour in the setup. No, Ampelas, we don't all have a "kill list". Are the kill lists something you have to do through lynches, if so, does that mean if you wanted to you could use them as "X is on kill list = X is claw = X is town, lets lynch Y" and actually win the main objective of the game? Or does your kill list take priority over the general VC?

[Omtose]

On the surface, none of the potential threesomes make huge sense. There's either been some very good distancing going on, or in actual fact the scum did not all know each other from the beginning, and unwittingly assisted in the lynching of fellow scum.


I would be most tempted to say it's Tiam, were it not for the fact that Tholen seems to be strongly vouching for them. And also, I'd be arguing from silence, since Tiam is basically a nonentity who could be linked to anyone.

Tulas Shorn, unwittingly getting Korbas lynched, not knowing they were also scum, perhaps appears most solid right now. Mostly thanks to their resistance to voting Rikkter. Rikkter having been lynched on the strength of being on the tailend of Korbas' train, Tulas may have considered it more prudent to stay off.

I'm not overwhelmingly convinced, though, and I'd like to know what others think.

[Omtose]

Path-Shaper, on 12 February 2015 - 06:59 AM, said:

Tennes, on 12 February 2015 - 12:51 AM, said:

Vote Mockra

Nothing has happened to change my mind about Mockra. Lets find out what he is.

As of this post:


It is now Day 2. 12 hours 10 minutes remaining.

There are 12 players left alive: Alkend, Ampelas, Mockra, Omtose, Pallid, Rikkter, Tennes, Tholen, Tiamatha, Tulas Shorn, Ultama, Venesara

7 votes to lynch, 6 for night.

7 votes Mockra: Tulas Shorn, Omtose, Ampelas, Tholen, Mockra, Pallid, Tennes
2 votes Tholen: Venesara, Mockra


Players not voted: Alkend, Pallid, Rikkter, Tennes, Tholen, Tiamatha, Ultama

Mockra has been lyched. He was a Claw Assassin and Nicodemus.

Mockra's lynch train. If we assume that there was scum on his train. Taking myself off. Tholen, Mockra, and Pallid are all in the clear. Ampelas received quite a bit of attention from Rikkter. That leaves Tulas and Tennes first and last on the train.

Doesn't really narrow it down, other than to the same two players.

[Path-Shaper]

It is now Day 4. 36 hours remaining.

There are 9 players left alive: Alkend, Ampelas, Omtose, Pallid, Tennes, Tholen, Tiamatha, Tulas Shorn, Venesara

5 votes to lynch, 5 for night.

1 vote Tulas Shorn: Ampelas


Players not voted: Alkend, Ampelas, Omtose, Pallid, Tennes, Tholen, Tiamatha, Tulas Shorn, Venesara

[Tennes]

Since we are down to one scum, can all the people who are claw with kill lists reveal who they have on their lists? See if there is any cross over, or by a process of elimination create a list that leaves only 1 living person out (aka the last scum)

[Tiamatha]

Tennes, on 16 February 2015 - 04:10 PM, said:

Since we are down to one scum, can all the people who are claw with kill lists reveal who they have on their lists? See if there is any cross over, or by a process of elimination create a list that leaves only 1 living person out (aka the last scum)

Ampelas indicated their list was of their own making therefore worthless to do that with.

[Omtose]

Of course, re Pallid, Tholen, and Alkend, I'm also assuming that my find would find Tavore, and they wouldn't register symp-like as Claw Assassin. I don't really see that being a possibility though.

[Venesara]

Omtose, on 16 February 2015 - 05:38 PM, said:

Of course, re Pallid, Tholen, and Alkend, I'm also assuming that my find would find Tavore, and they wouldn't register symp-like as Claw Assassin. I don't really see that being a possibility though.

I dunno. Thing is, your victory condition was Kalam's death by your hand. Giving Tavore detectability via your find would make it a little ridiculous with your vig (since it puts you in the situation you are in now, which is a little too powerful).

I still like Alkend for killer personally. I am having a hard time seeing Tulas or Tennes being Tavore, not to say they couldn't be, just that it seems a stretch.

[Venesara]

Tennes, on 10 February 2015 - 07:37 AM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 10 February 2015 - 02:53 AM, said:

I took Tennes' post as jokey... It is possible that it's a slip, but I'm wondering how that would actually happen. Did he forget he wasn't meant to mention it, or what? We've got to wonder why he'd post that I suppose, but his explanation doesn't really seem farfetched to me. I agree with Venesara that the case seems like a stretch. I also think the train has raised a couple of things worth looking at. Firstly, the fact that it has garnered a good number of votes at this point, where people still haven't even checked in, is a bit strange in itself. Secondly, the fact that most of those votes are just "Sure, ok, cool" and then hopping on the train. This sort of thing doesn't provide much info on thread, and seems like people are looking for an excuse to lay down a vote, look active, without really telling us anything -- no comment on how likely they think that sort of slip is, or on Tennes' reaction, or anything. It's similar to the problem with people "voting to get a lynch", except that we're super early in the day so there's no excuse for it. Thirdly, these two posts caught my eye:

Ultama, on 09 February 2015 - 10:04 PM, said:

Yep. looks like a slip followed by some good old scrambled eggs.

Ultama agrees that it looks like a slip and follows it up with...nope, nothing. It struck me as a little odd, though given how early it is, not so much as the next one.

Korbas, on 10 February 2015 - 12:01 AM, said:

You do have to hand to it the guy. He singlehandedly got this game moving, and clawed his way to the top of everyones vote list. I think a show of hands is order, How many think he should voted off the Island first? Hands up. Hands up. anybody?

Korbas seems purely like he's testing the waters before committing to his vote. He then does vote, after someone else joins the train. Vote KorbasBecause I don't like that you seem more concerned with where the consensus lies than with what you actually think is scummy, when voting. Especially when it is so early, and the train you're discussing already has more people going for it that most trains normally do at this point.

Also worth noting that this all came swiftly on the heels of me actually voting for Korbas.BTW PS, why does Korbas have two separate instances of 1 vote each in your post?

Tennes, on 10 February 2015 - 07:40 AM, said:

As for everyone else;What do you think is more likely: (a) Someone thinks the claw is evil or ( Someone outs themselves as scum on page 1

These are the key 2 posts that make me less suspicious of Tennes. I am going off the assumption that the killers knew each other. These two posts, when Korbas had but 2 votes on day 1, are latching onto the target.

[Venesara]

Alkend, on 10 February 2015 - 10:50 PM, said:

Korbas, on 10 February 2015 - 09:37 PM, said:

Alkend, on 10 February 2015 - 08:48 PM, said:

Korbas, on 10 February 2015 - 04:08 PM, said:

So let me get this straight.Tennes places a joke vote on me, then makes what some call a slipup. A train starts on him.I make a joke about it, then later say fuck it and join the train with an OMGUS vote. Pointing out the claw = good guy thing. Now I'm some how scumy for it and a train starts on me.I still don't get it.

Korbas, on 10 February 2015 - 06:25 PM, said:

I signed up because I had the time, but It looks like I'm going to be railroaded on the first day.

Posts like these don't help you much in regards to my own take on things. These come off as whiny woe-is-me. Yes, perhaps you are being wrongfully railroaded, but day 1 mafia happens. At this point, if you're town a derail probably ends up in a non-lynch or a mass move to Tennes at best. Lynch is better than no lynch, so these posts don't help anybody much.

Go Fuck yourself

My feelings are hurt.Nah, I know the feeling and have been there myself. Just remember to tell yourself that mafia is a team game.Now excuse me while I go tune my tiny violin.

This is kind of what bothered me about Alkend. He interacts too closely with Korbas on day 1 and then hammers at the end, as if trying to make it on the train, just to be sure he could say he lynched scum (and taunted scum too, quite a bit actually).

Sorry, still working through some of the data (following Rikkter now, trying to get a feel if there is some off thread communication/distancing)