[Venesara]

I need to look back at Alkend.

[Omtose]

Pallid, on 13 February 2015 - 01:53 AM, said:

Omtose, on 13 February 2015 - 01:38 AM, said:

Amp, can you clear up something for me: Your 'kill list' - is that something you came up with or was it given to you by PS?

Why would you ask that? If you know that you are town and believe Amp is telling the truth you should already know that he is just guessing.

Because I'd misunderstood, I thought he was revealing as a Claw faction within the faction, and had been given a list of alts which must die for him to gain his personal VCs. Of course, it's nothing like that now.

[Omtose]

Path-Shaper, on 11 February 2015 - 12:57 AM, said:

It is Day 1. 29 minutes remaining.

There are 14 players left alive: Alkend, Ampelas, Korbas, Mockra, Omtose, Pallid, Rikkter, Silanah, Tennes, Tholen, Tiamatha, Tulas Shorn, Ultama, Venesara

8 votes to lynch, 7 for night.

8 votes Korbas: Tennes, Tulas Shorn, Venesara, Ultama, Omtose, Rikkter, Tiamatha, Tholen
4 votes Tennes: Ampelas, Pallid, Korbas, Mockra


Players not voted: Alkend, Silanah


Korbas has been lynched. He was Kalam Mekhar and Bubba.

Let's look at the list of Korbas voters. Analysis of Tennes which I looked through earlier ultimately suggests they're not likely with Korbas. Tulas started the case. Tiamatha, Tholen, and, a little more shakily, Venesara, are PIing each other. Ultama is dead. I am town as well (yes, yes, so I say), which leaves Rikkter as a possible scum jumping on Korbas' train.

[Venesara]

Yeah, Alk is interesting. That little Fuck You spat and hurted-ness with Korbas was kind of strange. And for a bit, I was a little thrown by Alk accusing rikky, but this could be a token distancing given that suspicions of rikky go the way of the dinosaur once there is a good target building in Mockra (and missed the whole day 2 and lynch is bull-shit)

[Omtose]

Heh, of course for all we know, Silanah could also have been scum

[Omtose]

Vote Rikkter

[Tholen]

Omtose, on 13 February 2015 - 02:05 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 11 February 2015 - 12:57 AM, said:

It is Day 1. 29 minutes remaining.

There are 14 players left alive: Alkend, Ampelas, Korbas, Mockra, Omtose, Pallid, Rikkter, Silanah, Tennes, Tholen, Tiamatha, Tulas Shorn, Ultama, Venesara

8 votes to lynch, 7 for night.

8 votes Korbas: Tennes, Tulas Shorn, Venesara, Ultama, Omtose, Rikkter, Tiamatha, Tholen
4 votes Tennes: Ampelas, Pallid, Korbas, Mockra


Players not voted: Alkend, Silanah


Korbas has been lynched. He was Kalam Mekhar and Bubba.

Let's look at the list of Korbas voters. Analysis of Tennes which I looked through earlier ultimately suggests they're not likely with Korbas. Tulas started the case. Tiamatha, Tholen, and, a little more shakily, Venesara, are PIing each other. Ultama is dead. I am town as well (yes, yes, so I say), which leaves Rikkter as a possible scum jumping on Korbas' train.

I agree. My phone and internet were giving indications of dying and I stated that I'd switch to Korbas shortly. Then Alkend jumped in. At that point he had to.

Tholen, on 11 February 2015 - 12:30 AM, said:

Korbas, on 11 February 2015 - 12:26 AM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 11 February 2015 - 12:11 AM, said:

Tholen, on 10 February 2015 - 11:19 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 10 February 2015 - 07:31 PM, said:

It is Day 1. 5 hours 42 minutes remaining.

There are 14 players left alive: Alkend, Ampelas, Korbas, Mockra, Omtose, Pallid, Rikkter, Silanah, Tennes, Tholen, Tiamatha, Tulas Shorn, Ultama, Venesara

8 votes to lynch, 7 for night.

6 votes Korbas: Tennes, Tulas Shorn, Venesara, Ultama, Omtose, Rikkter
4 votes Tennes: Ampelas, Tholen, Pallid, Korbas


Players not voted: Alkend, Mockra, Silanah, Tiamatha

Tiamatha, on 10 February 2015 - 11:14 PM, said:

I'm here.

Of the two lynches I prefer Korbas because he is being lynched based on his reaction to something raher than day one randoms.

Vote Korbas

L-1 with almost two hours to go?

We might actually manage to lynch on day one

Based entirely on your ability to Bull Shit

That is possibly very true.

But there will be a lynch shortly.

Path-Shaper, on 11 February 2015 - 12:38 AM, said:

It is Day 1. 35 minutes remaining.

There are 14 players left alive: Alkend, Ampelas, Korbas, Mockra, Omtose, Pallid, Rikkter, Silanah, Tennes, Tholen, Tiamatha, Tulas Shorn, Ultama, Venesara

8 votes to lynch, 7 for night.

7 votes Korbas: Tennes, Tulas Shorn, Venesara, Ultama, Omtose, Rikkter, Tiamatha
5 votes Tennes: Ampelas, Tholen, Pallid, Korbas, Mockra


Players not voted: Alkend, Silanah

Tholen, on 11 February 2015 - 12:44 AM, said:

Remove vote


Vote Korbas

Tholen, on 11 February 2015 - 12:46 AM, said:

My internets is being flaky. With all the ice on the lines I may be about to lose it.

Omtose on...

It's not me. I'm pretty sure it's not TIa. Or Ven. And Omtose clearing up the ambiguity with Ampelas with his 'stupid' question.

Remove Vote


Vote Rikkter

[Tulas Shorn]

Hmm, in my analysis of the train earlier, Alkend and Rikkter didn't look particularly bad to me. In terms of individual play, I'm more tempted to vote someone like Pallid -- they're not on the Korbas train, but on the balance of it, going for the person I think has played scummy seems better than going for someone on assumptions about where scum would be on a train.

In general, I would always consider the possibility of scum hopping on a rolling scum train for distance, but neither of their posts actually strikes me like that.

[Tholen]

Omtose, on 13 February 2015 - 01:48 AM, said:

To be honest, I'm not sure what the point would be here unless PS decided that scum might need a helping hamd with an errant suicide vig (I think that's what Amp is implying he is).

3 scum and 11 town. Off balance. Blend is Veng trained. Veng would throw a one time BP, a heal, or a vig in here. Vigs almost always misfire and a healer w/o a finder is almost as useless.

Misfire brings it down to 3 scum and 9 town.

[Omtose]

Tulas Shorn, on 13 February 2015 - 02:15 AM, said:

Hmm, in my analysis of the train earlier, Alkend and Rikkter didn't look particularly bad to me. In terms of individual play, I'm more tempted to vote someone like Pallid -- they're not on the Korbas train, but on the balance of it, going for the person I think has played scummy seems better than going for someone on assumptions about where scum would be on a train.

In general, I would always consider the possibility of scum hopping on a rolling scum train for distance, but neither of their posts actually strikes me like that.

It comes down to what you think is more likely for me - would scum stay off Korbas or try to get on the train? I think they would try to get on - even Alkend attempted but was too late. And because I think they would try to get on, it means I also believe there is at least one scum on Korbas' train. For myself, that narrows it down most convincingly to Rikkter based on what's gone down thus far.

[Tholen]

Omtose, on 13 February 2015 - 02:33 AM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 13 February 2015 - 02:15 AM, said:

Hmm, in my analysis of the train earlier, Alkend and Rikkter didn't look particularly bad to me. In terms of individual play, I'm more tempted to vote someone like Pallid -- they're not on the Korbas train, but on the balance of it, going for the person I think has played scummy seems better than going for someone on assumptions about where scum would be on a train.

In general, I would always consider the possibility of scum hopping on a rolling scum train for distance, but neither of their posts actually strikes me like that.

It comes down to what you think is more likely for me - would scum stay off Korbas or try to get on the train? I think they would try to get on - even Alkend attempted but was too late. And because I think they would try to get on, it means I also believe there is at least one scum on Korbas' train. For myself, that narrows it down most convincingly to Rikkter based on what's gone down thus far.

What about Pallid's cluelessness? Is that real or feigned?

[Tholen]

Because if it's feigned, then we have a "one on, one off" situation and it could be Rikkter or Alkend.

[Omtose]

Tholen, on 13 February 2015 - 02:38 AM, said:

Omtose, on 13 February 2015 - 02:33 AM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 13 February 2015 - 02:15 AM, said:

Hmm, in my analysis of the train earlier, Alkend and Rikkter didn't look particularly bad to me. In terms of individual play, I'm more tempted to vote someone like Pallid -- they're not on the Korbas train, but on the balance of it, going for the person I think has played scummy seems better than going for someone on assumptions about where scum would be on a train.

In general, I would always consider the possibility of scum hopping on a rolling scum train for distance, but neither of their posts actually strikes me like that.

It comes down to what you think is more likely for me - would scum stay off Korbas or try to get on the train? I think they would try to get on - even Alkend attempted but was too late. And because I think they would try to get on, it means I also believe there is at least one scum on Korbas' train. For myself, that narrows it down most convincingly to Rikkter based on what's gone down thus far.

What about Pallid's cluelessness? Is that real or feigned?

Indeed, I had forgotten about that, thanks. Those strike me as the signs of a real-life nincompoop.

[Tholen]

Omtose, on 13 February 2015 - 02:40 AM, said:

Tholen, on 13 February 2015 - 02:38 AM, said:

Omtose, on 13 February 2015 - 02:33 AM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 13 February 2015 - 02:15 AM, said:

Hmm, in my analysis of the train earlier, Alkend and Rikkter didn't look particularly bad to me. In terms of individual play, I'm more tempted to vote someone like Pallid -- they're not on the Korbas train, but on the balance of it, going for the person I think has played scummy seems better than going for someone on assumptions about where scum would be on a train.

In general, I would always consider the possibility of scum hopping on a rolling scum train for distance, but neither of their posts actually strikes me like that.

It comes down to what you think is more likely for me - would scum stay off Korbas or try to get on the train? I think they would try to get on - even Alkend attempted but was too late. And because I think they would try to get on, it means I also believe there is at least one scum on Korbas' train. For myself, that narrows it down most convincingly to Rikkter based on what's gone down thus far.

What about Pallid's cluelessness? Is that real or feigned?

Indeed, I had forgotten about that, thanks. Those strike me as the signs of a real-life nincompoop.

Poking the bear with flippancy are we?

[Tulas Shorn]

Omtose, on 13 February 2015 - 02:33 AM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 13 February 2015 - 02:15 AM, said:

Hmm, in my analysis of the train earlier, Alkend and Rikkter didn't look particularly bad to me. In terms of individual play, I'm more tempted to vote someone like Pallid -- they're not on the Korbas train, but on the balance of it, going for the person I think has played scummy seems better than going for someone on assumptions about where scum would be on a train.

In general, I would always consider the possibility of scum hopping on a rolling scum train for distance, but neither of their posts actually strikes me like that.

It comes down to what you think is more likely for me - would scum stay off Korbas or try to get on the train? I think they would try to get on - even Alkend attempted but was too late. And because I think they would try to get on, it means I also believe there is at least one scum on Korbas' train. For myself, that narrows it down most convincingly to Rikkter based on what's gone down thus far.

Yeah, I just tend to think that treating these ideas like they're set in stone isn't the best, because it isn't always that neat.

Looking back at it, between Ultama's vote and the lynch, these people post:

Me, Ultama, Rikkter, you (Omtose), Korbas, Tennes, Alkend, Tholen, Tiam, Mockra. Also Venesara is in between the last vote and the CF.

Other than Mockra and Korbas, that's literally just the train itself.

So saying that there's bound to be scum in there, because if scum were around they'd hop on...well, yeah, maybe, but then literally every single person who didn't hop on are also the ones who weren't there to do so. So it sort of breaks down for me at that point...Not to mention that it's a big train and accounts for a lot of the people still around...

[Tholen]

Tulas Shorn, on 13 February 2015 - 02:54 AM, said:

Omtose, on 13 February 2015 - 02:33 AM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 13 February 2015 - 02:15 AM, said:

Hmm, in my analysis of the train earlier, Alkend and Rikkter didn't look particularly bad to me. In terms of individual play, I'm more tempted to vote someone like Pallid -- they're not on the Korbas train, but on the balance of it, going for the person I think has played scummy seems better than going for someone on assumptions about where scum would be on a train.

In general, I would always consider the possibility of scum hopping on a rolling scum train for distance, but neither of their posts actually strikes me like that.

It comes down to what you think is more likely for me - would scum stay off Korbas or try to get on the train? I think they would try to get on - even Alkend attempted but was too late. And because I think they would try to get on, it means I also believe there is at least one scum on Korbas' train. For myself, that narrows it down most convincingly to Rikkter based on what's gone down thus far.

Yeah, I just tend to think that treating these ideas like they're set in stone isn't the best, because it isn't always that neat.

Looking back at it, between Ultama's vote and the lynch, these people post:

Me, Ultama, Rikkter, you (Omtose), Korbas, Tennes, Alkend, Tholen, Tiam, Mockra. Also Venesara is in between the last vote and the CF.

Other than Mockra and Korbas, that's literally just the train itself.

So saying that there's bound to be scum in there, because if scum were around they'd hop on...well, yeah, maybe, but then literally every single person who didn't hop on are also the ones who weren't there to do so. So it sort of breaks down for me at that point...Not to mention that it's a big train and accounts for a lot of the people still around...

Well, I was the most outspoken in my belief that Tennes was the better choice. Until I said otherwise, they could probably assume that I wouldn't switch to get the lynch. That makes it more likely that one of them is on the back half of that.

Ven was there to push for the hammer. I thought Tia putting Korbas at L-1 that early was a bit shady. But since Korbas really was scum that makes it less likely to be Tia (and I really like his vernacular).

[Omtose]

Tulas Shorn, on 13 February 2015 - 02:54 AM, said:

Omtose, on 13 February 2015 - 02:33 AM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 13 February 2015 - 02:15 AM, said:

Hmm, in my analysis of the train earlier, Alkend and Rikkter didn't look particularly bad to me. In terms of individual play, I'm more tempted to vote someone like Pallid -- they're not on the Korbas train, but on the balance of it, going for the person I think has played scummy seems better than going for someone on assumptions about where scum would be on a train.

In general, I would always consider the possibility of scum hopping on a rolling scum train for distance, but neither of their posts actually strikes me like that.

It comes down to what you think is more likely for me - would scum stay off Korbas or try to get on the train? I think they would try to get on - even Alkend attempted but was too late. And because I think they would try to get on, it means I also believe there is at least one scum on Korbas' train. For myself, that narrows it down most convincingly to Rikkter based on what's gone down thus far.

Yeah, I just tend to think that treating these ideas like they're set in stone isn't the best, because it isn't always that neat.

Looking back at it, between Ultama's vote and the lynch, these people post:

Me, Ultama, Rikkter, you (Omtose), Korbas, Tennes, Alkend, Tholen, Tiam, Mockra. Also Venesara is in between the last vote and the CF.

Other than Mockra and Korbas, that's literally just the train itself.

So saying that there's bound to be scum in there, because if scum were around they'd hop on...well, yeah, maybe, but then literally every single person who didn't hop on are also the ones who weren't there to do so. So it sort of breaks down for me at that point...Not to mention that it's a big train and accounts for a lot of the people still around...

Let's take the hypothesis that you are angling toward and say there are no scum on Korbas' train. Of the remaining alive players, that only leaves Pallid and Alkend as scum, then, yes?

So we have Pallid and Alkend, or Alkend and Rikkter. Or Rikkter and Pallid. So ultimately, I'd be happy with a lynch of one of these three, but I'm currently most convinced of Rikkter based on my own reading and what others have said.

Of course, all this also assumes that I'm not wrong about you or Tennes, and that Silanah wasn't scum, and that Amp is telling the truth

[Tulas Shorn]

Omtose, on 13 February 2015 - 03:08 AM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 13 February 2015 - 02:54 AM, said:

Omtose, on 13 February 2015 - 02:33 AM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 13 February 2015 - 02:15 AM, said:

Hmm, in my analysis of the train earlier, Alkend and Rikkter didn't look particularly bad to me. In terms of individual play, I'm more tempted to vote someone like Pallid -- they're not on the Korbas train, but on the balance of it, going for the person I think has played scummy seems better than going for someone on assumptions about where scum would be on a train.

In general, I would always consider the possibility of scum hopping on a rolling scum train for distance, but neither of their posts actually strikes me like that.

It comes down to what you think is more likely for me - would scum stay off Korbas or try to get on the train? I think they would try to get on - even Alkend attempted but was too late. And because I think they would try to get on, it means I also believe there is at least one scum on Korbas' train. For myself, that narrows it down most convincingly to Rikkter based on what's gone down thus far.

Yeah, I just tend to think that treating these ideas like they're set in stone isn't the best, because it isn't always that neat.

Looking back at it, between Ultama's vote and the lynch, these people post:

Me, Ultama, Rikkter, you (Omtose), Korbas, Tennes, Alkend, Tholen, Tiam, Mockra. Also Venesara is in between the last vote and the CF.

Other than Mockra and Korbas, that's literally just the train itself.

So saying that there's bound to be scum in there, because if scum were around they'd hop on...well, yeah, maybe, but then literally every single person who didn't hop on are also the ones who weren't there to do so. So it sort of breaks down for me at that point...Not to mention that it's a big train and accounts for a lot of the people still around...

Let's take the hypothesis that you are angling toward and say there are no scum on Korbas' train. Of the remaining alive players, that only leaves Pallid and Alkend as scum, then, yes?

So we have Pallid and Alkend, or Alkend and Rikkter. Or Rikkter and Pallid. So ultimately, I'd be happy with a lynch of one of these three, but I'm currently most convinced of Rikkter based on my own reading and what others have said.

Of course, all this also assumes that I'm not wrong about you or Tennes, and that Silanah wasn't scum, and that Amp is telling the truth

Sure, that seems like a fine way of looking at it. Personally Pallid has seemed scummier to me than Alkend or Rikkter, and since he wasn't around to vote anyway, I'm not very swayed by the argument about scum having to be on the train, is my point.

[Tholen]

browsing naked

[Alkend]

Ampelas, on 13 February 2015 - 01:47 AM, said:

Omtose, on 13 February 2015 - 01:38 AM, said:

Amp, can you clear up something for me: Your 'kill list' - is that something you came up with or was it given to you by PS?

It is my own list of whom I think is scum.

I only have one winning condition.

And if you're town, it's this obvo one:

Quote

GAME SPECIFIC RULES

Days will be 36 hours. Night Phase will take as long as it takes me to resolve. Please be sure to have your Night Action provisionals in during the Day phase.

This is a town vs. scum game. Scum are Kalam Mekhar, Adjunct Tavore and T'amber. Town are the Claw - this should be taken seriously. The Claw are not to be trifled with.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 08 February 2015 - 03:56 PM