[Tattersail_]

Imperial Historian, on 24 February 2015 - 08:42 AM, said:

we didn't make a decision about alliances, but since 9 player isn't really balanced without them I guess we'll have them. Off-thread communication between alliance members is allowed as that slowed things up massively last time.

I'd be ok houseruling not allowing them to form until turn 4 or something, but I think people are a lot more reluctant to enter into alliances after last game.

Especially with d'rek the dirty traitor

At least you know Gnaw and I are loyal alliance members!

Except I wouldn't hold that to be true this game. Gnaw is in a strong position to win if he turtles right.

[Khellendros]

Hey guys, sorry if you're waiting on me. I'm moving house at the moment, so haven't had much time for, well, anything else. I'll try to check in properly this evening.

[cerveza_fiesta]

Tattersail_, on 23 February 2015 - 05:47 PM, said:

cerveza_fiesta, on 23 February 2015 - 04:13 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 23 February 2015 - 03:40 PM, said:

Huh I hadn't thought CF would be attacking the ancient homeworld it would make infinitely more sense to attack draco and the hive hex rather than the ancient homeworld before D'rek gets her production up. D'rek has no significant material production or technology just yet and there is a nice line of ancients to be smush and discoveries to be claimed beyond it. I don't see that being the case for very long though, if we've learned anything from the previous games it's smush d'rek early.

yeah, don't tell tatts this cause I'm trying to play tough-guy


Haven't decided where to go with it yet to be perfectly honest. The double cruiser was kinda the whole point of the way I ended last turn. Wanted to leave lots of options, but the problem is that the options are all still there!

Is there a disco tile under that ancient dreadnought?

EDIT

Nvm...I checked. It might be a cruiser actually. There is a disco tile beneath.

CF look at it differently actually. How about you leave me be and we create an alliance in later rounds? No one can get to me and what I have planned will make me quite strong attacking wise (it's my only option)

You leave me the ancient to kill which will most probably be round 4. We enter diplomatic negotiations.

thoughts?

The possibility is always open. I'd have to know a bit more about your plans before agreeing of course. the orion do not tolerate well allies that are not combat-obsessed.

[cerveza_fiesta]

Where we at? Waiting on me?

[Imperial Historian]

Waiting on Khell. tapper and tatts have passed and don't plan reactions, so twelve is up after that

[D'rek]

Imperial Historian, on 24 February 2015 - 08:42 AM, said:

we didn't make a decision about alliances, but since 9 player isn't really balanced without them I guess we'll have them. Off-thread communication between alliance members is allowed as that slowed things up massively last time.

I'd be ok houseruling not allowing them to form until turn 4 or something, but I think people are a lot more reluctant to enter into alliances after last game.

Especially with d'rek the dirty traitor

I really wasn't thinking about alliances when picking my race. I should have. Obviously no one is going to want to ally with me after last time, and I probably picked the one race that can most use an early ally since everyone else ends up wanting to attack the ancients Draco grabs. Oooops!

[Blend]

D, on 24 February 2015 - 02:45 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 24 February 2015 - 08:42 AM, said:

we didn't make a decision about alliances, but since 9 player isn't really balanced without them I guess we'll have them. Off-thread communication between alliance members is allowed as that slowed things up massively last time.

I'd be ok houseruling not allowing them to form until turn 4 or something, but I think people are a lot more reluctant to enter into alliances after last game.

Especially with d'rek the dirty traitor

I really wasn't thinking about alliances when picking my race. I should have. Obviously no one is going to want to ally with me after last time, and I probably picked the one race that can most use an early ally since everyone else ends up wanting to attack the ancients Draco grabs. Oooops!

Like I said, I'll consider allying with you, but I'm going to have to take one or two of those hexes from you first! I'm thinking that I particularly want the hive hex. You leave that empty, and let me have it, and I'll ally with you!

[D'rek]

Blend, on 24 February 2015 - 03:08 PM, said:

D, on 24 February 2015 - 02:45 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 24 February 2015 - 08:42 AM, said:

we didn't make a decision about alliances, but since 9 player isn't really balanced without them I guess we'll have them. Off-thread communication between alliance members is allowed as that slowed things up massively last time.

I'd be ok houseruling not allowing them to form until turn 4 or something, but I think people are a lot more reluctant to enter into alliances after last game.

Especially with d'rek the dirty traitor

I really wasn't thinking about alliances when picking my race. I should have. Obviously no one is going to want to ally with me after last time, and I probably picked the one race that can most use an early ally since everyone else ends up wanting to attack the ancients Draco grabs. Oooops!

Like I said, I'll consider allying with you, but I'm going to have to take one or two of those hexes from you first! I'm thinking that I particularly want the hive hex. You leave that empty, and let me have it, and I'll ally with you!

You want me to let you attack my hexes, and *then* you'll ally with me? That sounds a bit skeptical/dastardly...

[Blend]

D, on 24 February 2015 - 03:18 PM, said:

Blend, on 24 February 2015 - 03:08 PM, said:

D, on 24 February 2015 - 02:45 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 24 February 2015 - 08:42 AM, said:

we didn't make a decision about alliances, but since 9 player isn't really balanced without them I guess we'll have them. Off-thread communication between alliance members is allowed as that slowed things up massively last time.

I'd be ok houseruling not allowing them to form until turn 4 or something, but I think people are a lot more reluctant to enter into alliances after last game.

Especially with d'rek the dirty traitor

I really wasn't thinking about alliances when picking my race. I should have. Obviously no one is going to want to ally with me after last time, and I probably picked the one race that can most use an early ally since everyone else ends up wanting to attack the ancients Draco grabs. Oooops!

Like I said, I'll consider allying with you, but I'm going to have to take one or two of those hexes from you first! I'm thinking that I particularly want the hive hex. You leave that empty, and let me have it, and I'll ally with you!

You want me to let you attack my hexes, and *then* you'll ally with me? That sounds a bit skeptical/dastardly...

Hey, that was my hex first, I just made the mistake of making it easy for you to connect to it!

Barring any major disasters, I plan to go after that hex next round, so you can either waste resources trying to protect it from me, or let me have it, then have an ally on the other side of the galaxy as soon as someone else takes the traitor card away from me.

[D'rek]

Blend, on 24 February 2015 - 03:23 PM, said:

D, on 24 February 2015 - 03:18 PM, said:

Blend, on 24 February 2015 - 03:08 PM, said:

D, on 24 February 2015 - 02:45 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 24 February 2015 - 08:42 AM, said:

we didn't make a decision about alliances, but since 9 player isn't really balanced without them I guess we'll have them. Off-thread communication between alliance members is allowed as that slowed things up massively last time.

I'd be ok houseruling not allowing them to form until turn 4 or something, but I think people are a lot more reluctant to enter into alliances after last game.

Especially with d'rek the dirty traitor

I really wasn't thinking about alliances when picking my race. I should have. Obviously no one is going to want to ally with me after last time, and I probably picked the one race that can most use an early ally since everyone else ends up wanting to attack the ancients Draco grabs. Oooops!

Like I said, I'll consider allying with you, but I'm going to have to take one or two of those hexes from you first! I'm thinking that I particularly want the hive hex. You leave that empty, and let me have it, and I'll ally with you!

You want me to let you attack my hexes, and *then* you'll ally with me? That sounds a bit skeptical/dastardly...

Hey, that was my hex first, I just made the mistake of making it easy for you to connect to it!

Barring any major disasters, I plan to go after that hex next round, so you can either waste resources trying to protect it from me, or let me have it, then have an ally on the other side of the galaxy as soon as someone else takes the traitor card away from me.

That's a pretty big if/when. What if no one else takes the traitor card for 3 more rounds, or never? I don't have any assurances in such a case you won't just keep attacking me. So letting you get a foothold right off the bat for such a scenario is pretty extreme.

[twelve]

D, on 24 February 2015 - 03:28 PM, said:

Blend, on 24 February 2015 - 03:23 PM, said:

D, on 24 February 2015 - 03:18 PM, said:

Blend, on 24 February 2015 - 03:08 PM, said:

D, on 24 February 2015 - 02:45 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 24 February 2015 - 08:42 AM, said:

we didn't make a decision about alliances, but since 9 player isn't really balanced without them I guess we'll have them. Off-thread communication between alliance members is allowed as that slowed things up massively last time.

I'd be ok houseruling not allowing them to form until turn 4 or something, but I think people are a lot more reluctant to enter into alliances after last game.

Especially with d'rek the dirty traitor

I really wasn't thinking about alliances when picking my race. I should have. Obviously no one is going to want to ally with me after last time, and I probably picked the one race that can most use an early ally since everyone else ends up wanting to attack the ancients Draco grabs. Oooops!

Like I said, I'll consider allying with you, but I'm going to have to take one or two of those hexes from you first! I'm thinking that I particularly want the hive hex. You leave that empty, and let me have it, and I'll ally with you!

You want me to let you attack my hexes, and *then* you'll ally with me? That sounds a bit skeptical/dastardly...

Hey, that was my hex first, I just made the mistake of making it easy for you to connect to it!

Barring any major disasters, I plan to go after that hex next round, so you can either waste resources trying to protect it from me, or let me have it, then have an ally on the other side of the galaxy as soon as someone else takes the traitor card away from me.

That's a pretty big if/when. What if no one else takes the traitor card for 3 more rounds, or never? I don't have any assurances in such a case you won't just keep attacking me. So letting you get a foothold right off the bat for such a scenario is pretty extreme.

Sounds like you should move your int's there to protect it. Hint (not subtle at all) Hint.

[D'rek]

twelve, on 24 February 2015 - 03:30 PM, said:

Sounds like you should move your int's there to protect it. Hint (not subtle at all) Hint.

Maybe, but I don't need to this turn!

[Blend]

D, on 24 February 2015 - 03:28 PM, said:

That's a pretty big if/when. What if no one else takes the traitor card for 3 more rounds, or never? I don't have any assurances in such a case you won't just keep attacking me. So letting you get a foothold right off the bat for such a scenario is pretty extreme.

*shrugs*

It's up to you, but I can't win this game if I don't take any tiles. I have that one Ancient hex north of my homeworld, but I'm saving that for later, for now I need to secure my front. My options are limited to either the hive or Castor, which are both yours, or I go into Khell's territory, which, frankly, are not very attractive hexes right now. So either you're going to have to invest in keeping those tiles away from me, and run the risk of problems back home, or you let me have the hive. Someone's going to have to break diplo eventually, I'd rather be the first to do it so that I don't end up with the traitor card.

[D'rek]

Blend, on 24 February 2015 - 03:33 PM, said:

D, on 24 February 2015 - 03:28 PM, said:

That's a pretty big if/when. What if no one else takes the traitor card for 3 more rounds, or never? I don't have any assurances in such a case you won't just keep attacking me. So letting you get a foothold right off the bat for such a scenario is pretty extreme.

*shrugs*

It's up to you, but I can't win this game if I don't take any tiles. I have that one Ancient hex north of my homeworld, but I'm saving that for later, for now I need to secure my front. My options are limited to either the hive or Castor, which are both yours, or I go into Khell's territory, which, frankly, are not very attractive hexes right now. So either you're going to have to invest in keeping those tiles away from me, and run the risk of problems back home, or you let me have the hive. Someone's going to have to break diplo eventually, I'd rather be the first to do it so that I don't end up with the traitor card.

I guess I just don't see why if you were honestly keen on an alliance you wouldn't just want to ally and then take the hexes, instead of this insistence on allying after. Oh well.

In any case, keep an eye on Khell's hexes as he is probably gearing up to build a dreadnaught and send it to Vega. If I and the ancient pin down his ships his hexes will be left undefended.

[Blend]

D, on 24 February 2015 - 03:44 PM, said:

Blend, on 24 February 2015 - 03:33 PM, said:

D, on 24 February 2015 - 03:28 PM, said:

That's a pretty big if/when. What if no one else takes the traitor card for 3 more rounds, or never? I don't have any assurances in such a case you won't just keep attacking me. So letting you get a foothold right off the bat for such a scenario is pretty extreme.

*shrugs*

It's up to you, but I can't win this game if I don't take any tiles. I have that one Ancient hex north of my homeworld, but I'm saving that for later, for now I need to secure my front. My options are limited to either the hive or Castor, which are both yours, or I go into Khell's territory, which, frankly, are not very attractive hexes right now. So either you're going to have to invest in keeping those tiles away from me, and run the risk of problems back home, or you let me have the hive. Someone's going to have to break diplo eventually, I'd rather be the first to do it so that I don't end up with the traitor card.

I guess I just don't see why if you were honestly keen on an alliance you wouldn't just want to ally and then take the hexes, instead of this insistence on allying after. Oh well.

In any case, keep an eye on Khell's hexes as he is probably gearing up to build a dreadnaught and send it to Vega. If I and the ancient pin down his ships his hexes will be left undefended.

I can't take a hex from you after we've allied without leaving the alliance, no?

You've got it influenced, and you have a planet colonized, I can't take it from you if we're allied, so I'd have to leave the alliance to take it.

Anyway, if I allied with you, that would only leave Khell's hexes, or CF's hex south of the Hive as potential hexes for me to take. I just don't see what good I can do without that hive hex. So I'll have to take it, again, barring any major unexpected problems.

A lot of this depends on where the hive sends the next Ancient too. I'm hoping it goes into one of CF's hexes so that I don't have to worry about downing another ancient. That would give me the freedom to both take the hive and still defend from Khell if I have to.

[D'rek]

It's perfectly possible for me to withdraw from hexes and leave them to you to colonize, so I don't know what you're on about with not being able to take hexes from allies. That's what the INFluence action is for.

In any case, yes where the hive ancient goes will potentially make for an interesting difference, as well as what Khell and CF might do. For all we know CF will move two cruisers into the hive this round anyways, at which point it is pretty moot unless he is also interested in an alliance.

[Blend]

D, on 24 February 2015 - 04:04 PM, said:

It's perfectly possible for me to withdraw from hexes and leave them to you to colonize, so I don't know what you're on about with not being able to take hexes from allies. That's what the INFluence action is for.

In any case, yes where the hive ancient goes will potentially make for an interesting difference, as well as what Khell and CF might do. For all we know CF will move two cruisers into the hive this round anyways, at which point it is pretty moot unless he is also interested in an alliance.

...I didn't even think of the fact that you can unINFluence a hex.

I see what you're saying now. Well, it's up to you. I think you're my best bet as an ally, you've got the right side of the galaxy blocked off for me (for now), which means I would be able to concentrate on the left side over here. Plus, the threat of you next to Khell would keep him out of my hexes for a round or two, I suspect.

Shall we wait to see where the Hive sends the next Ancient / what CF is going to do with those cruisers, and revisit this conversation?

[D'rek]

Blend, on 24 February 2015 - 04:09 PM, said:

D, on 24 February 2015 - 04:04 PM, said:

It's perfectly possible for me to withdraw from hexes and leave them to you to colonize, so I don't know what you're on about with not being able to take hexes from allies. That's what the INFluence action is for.

In any case, yes where the hive ancient goes will potentially make for an interesting difference, as well as what Khell and CF might do. For all we know CF will move two cruisers into the hive this round anyways, at which point it is pretty moot unless he is also interested in an alliance.

...I didn't even think of the fact that you can unINFluence a hex.

I see what you're saying now. Well, it's up to you. I think you're my best bet as an ally, you've got the right side of the galaxy blocked off for me (for now), which means I would be able to concentrate on the left side over here. Plus, the threat of you next to Khell would keep him out of my hexes for a round or two, I suspect.

Shall we wait to see where the Hive sends the next Ancient / what CF is going to do with those cruisers, and revisit this conversation?

Yup!

[Gnaw]

Khellendros, on 24 February 2015 - 10:40 AM, said:

Hey guys, sorry if you're waiting on me. I'm moving house at the moment, so haven't had much time for, well, anything else. I'll try to check in properly this evening.

Are you moving in with her or she with thee?

Either way, congrats.

[Khellendros]

Gnaw, on 24 February 2015 - 07:22 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 24 February 2015 - 10:40 AM, said:

Hey guys, sorry if you're waiting on me. I'm moving house at the moment, so haven't had much time for, well, anything else. I'll try to check in properly this evening.

Are you moving in with her or she with thee?

Either way, congrats.

Me with her (and another couple - hey, this is central London you know. You need a group if you want to afford more than a shoebox).


I'm afraid you've all talked far too much and I have pages of your devious and despicable negotiations to read through before I can get to my moves. Also I'm super exhausted and actually going to bed at a reasonable hour. Apologies!