[QuickTidal]

Abyss, on 07 January 2025 - 07:21 PM, said:

QuickTidal, on 07 January 2025 - 03:59 PM, said:

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I'm miffed that Singh didn't take his leadership walking papers in the last election loss like he should have.....because I feel like with a better leader there might be more momentum behind a push that gets us an NDP Opposition...but everyone is tired of Singh. NDP will turf him after this next loss, but my kingdom for a world where he'd stepped back already and let someone else be the face of the NDP...

Is there someone else? I get the sense that no one is really grasping for the job.

I mean there must be. We just don't know who.

Abyss, on 07 January 2025 - 07:21 PM, said:

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Man I hate Canadian politics...it's been shitshow for my whole ass life.

There are worse shitshows around... ours is far from perfect but ill take it over the alternatives.

True, but for once in my life I wish I would be able to vote FOR someone I aligned with at the Provincial level or Federal level who had a shot....like I'm going to vote Marit in the next Provincial election, but are her chances good against Ford and Crombie? Who knows....

I guess I just want a government system that doesn't rely on me HAVING to vote people out by strategically voting...I think the ONLY time I felt my vote was well used in my life was the two times I voted Chretien (his second term majority in 97; which would have been my first federal vote ever and in 2000)...everything else has been either "Strategic; keep the Cons out" or "I'm in a conservative bastion nightmare so my vote will get cancelled out anyways"

This post has been edited by QuickTidal: 07 January 2025 - 07:35 PM

[Azath Vitr (D'ivers]

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Trump Threatens 'Economic Force' to Make Canada 51st State

(Bloomberg) -- It no longer sounds like a joke.

Spoiler

[...] Asked if he would use military force to annex Canada, he replied "no — economic force. Because Canada and the United States, that would really be something. You get rid of that artificially-drawn line and you take a look at what that looks like, and it would also be much better for national security — don't forget, we basically protect Canada."

Trump claimed the US is subsidizing Canada to the tune of $200 billion a year, an apparent reference to the US trade deficit and possible other factors.

[...] Trump said the US doesn't need "anything" that Canada produces.

[...] Canada is the largest external supplier of oil to the US, its uranium is the biggest foreign source of fuel for US nuclear power plants, and its potash is a huge source of fertilizer for American farms.

Trump Threatens 'Economic Force' to Make Canada 51st State

... though there's a tiny chance he may be bluffing----about not using military force... "no I would never---not until Putin, Kim, and Xi are ready to join me in starting World War Free for All (the Tyrannoligarchs)!"

Now I'm leaning towards thinking the recent WaPo report about plans for the tariffs to be targeted towards critical industries are the most likely near-term outcome. But with Trump nobody knows (including Trump). Even if that's the case, that could include some of the Canadian products that Trump says he wants to rely on increased US production for instead. But apparently no mention of making the necessary industrial changes so that the US could make use its own oil surplus.

[LinearPhilosopher]

In all likelyhood itll be a tori super majority, with the PQ as the official opposition party.

The liberals can take the next 4 years rebuilding the party and empowering competent MPs.

Its hard to predict the future, but I am pretty sure we're going to be seeing a similar level of vitriol towards PP once he's unable to change anything.

And at least tories have a decent track record of not introducing dumb tax regimes for no reason. Usually its just dumb personal tax credits.

I will say it was absolutely galling that JT in his exit speech lamented we never did electoral reform, meanwhile he canned the minister responsible for it after a year and invested no political capital at all in implementing.

Alfea Raj even made the interesting point that proportional representation would actually benefit the tories since historically they only get majorities when Canadians tire of Liberal rule.

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[QuickTidal]

Azath Vitr (D, on 07 January 2025 - 09:06 PM, said:

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Trump Threatens 'Economic Force' to Make Canada 51st State

(Bloomberg) -- It no longer sounds like a joke.

Spoiler

[...] Asked if he would use military force to annex Canada, he replied "no — economic force. Because Canada and the United States, that would really be something. You get rid of that artificially-drawn line and you take a look at what that looks like, and it would also be much better for national security — don't forget, we basically protect Canada."

Trump claimed the US is subsidizing Canada to the tune of $200 billion a year, an apparent reference to the US trade deficit and possible other factors.

[...] Trump said the US doesn't need "anything" that Canada produces.

[...] Canada is the largest external supplier of oil to the US, its uranium is the biggest foreign source of fuel for US nuclear power plants, and its potash is a huge source of fertilizer for American farms.

Trump Threatens 'Economic Force' to Make Canada 51st State

... though there's a tiny chance he may be bluffing----about not using military force... "no I would never---not until Putin, Kim, and Xi are ready to join me in starting World War Free for All (the Tyrannoligarchs)!"

Now I'm leaning towards thinking the recent WaPo report about plans for the tariffs to be targeted towards critical industries are the most likely near-term outcome. But with Trump nobody knows (including Trump). Even if that's the case, that could include some of the Canadian products that Trump says he wants to rely on increased US production for instead. But apparently no mention of making the necessary industrial changes so that the US could make use its own oil surplus.

This isn't going to work like he assumes it is. But I'll enjoy watching it play out.

LinearPhilosopher, on 08 January 2025 - 12:54 AM, said:

In all likelyhood itll be a tori super majority, with the PQ as the official opposition party.

Its hard to predict the future, but I am pretty sure we're going to be seeing a similar level of vitriol towards PP once he's unable to change anything.

100%. I think he knows this too. I also think he knows that the report about interference may muddy his path to the PM spot, as he's been losing his mind on social media about JT stepping down and not "staying to fight him"...like I think he's REALLY adrift without JT as a media punching bag....attacking the Liberals as a party just doesn't have the same emotional heft that attacking a single guy does...he knows this...it's not his first rodeo with this shit, he's been watching in the wings for two decades now...he's even testing out "Carbon Tax Carny" now....even though Carny hasn't even thrown his hat into the ring for leadership yet...this is the issue with this guy...he's all slogans...you remove them and he has nothing to use for his rhetoric that will land with the voters.

[Mentalist]

I am looking forward to the Cons' explanations why it's not their fault that neither the grocery prices, nor the housing market has gone down.

I mean, not really. But sometimes I do grow so exasperated by hearing people complain about this being entirely JT's fault, to the point where I want to see the populist's bubble burst.