[Azath Vitr (D'ivers]

QuickTidal, on 16 December 2024 - 03:00 PM, said:

and PP is clearly not only compromised by India, but wildly unfit as a leader to deal with the incoming Trump Admin down south...he would bend over and let trump do what he likes to him (probably while noisily eating an apple) and us.

We are in the worst of all situations right now...I fear the future.

Ah ha, you finally admit that Trump's invading Canada! (Trump incoming down south, worst of all situations?... But wait: No worst, there is none... The Leaden Echo & The Golden Echo (Gerard Hopkins) - Read by Dylan Thomas )

But if it's any consolation I'm rooting for you...

[QuickTidal]

Azath Vitr (D, on 16 December 2024 - 03:41 PM, said:

QuickTidal, on 16 December 2024 - 03:00 PM, said:

and PP is clearly not only compromised by India, but wildly unfit as a leader to deal with the incoming Trump Admin down south...he would bend over and let trump do what he likes to him (probably while noisily eating an apple) and us.

We are in the worst of all situations right now...I fear the future.

Ah ha, you finally admit that Trump's invading Canada!

Nah, but I would be lying if I said that his policies won't affect us. Even if it's not tariffs, it would be something else.

I will say this, if Pollievre does become PM, a spot he has coveted since he left school (the man has been in politics since he left school), the jokes trump made about Canada as a state and PM as governor would not be laughed off like JT did, that man would have a goddamn hissy fit over it.

Part of me wants to see PP become PM so I can stop fucking hearing about it from Conservative voters, and from PP himself who has no policies just slogans and Trudeau hatred...I'll be like "Fine then. Vote him in, and get ALL the shit you vote for...and when he doesn't fix your lives by eliminating the carbon tax (something he will have to replace anyways with some other mechanism), you don't get to bitch anymore"

But we all know that even if PP gets in and rules for a decade that EVERYTHING he does or doesn't do will be laid at Trudeau's feet anyways.

I fucking hate politics.

[Abyss]

Careful phrasing but that letter is SCATHING.

No joke, this is a disaster for PMJT.

[QuickTidal]

Abyss, on 16 December 2024 - 05:25 PM, said:

Careful phrasing but that letter is SCATHING.

No joke, this is a disaster for PMJT.

Yep. It's very bad for him. And frankly, I could see Singh taking advantage of the press to non-confidence him hoping for a boost in NDP numbers....but I fear that will only hasten in a PP majority.

[Abyss]

QuickTidal, on 16 December 2024 - 05:41 PM, said:

Abyss, on 16 December 2024 - 05:25 PM, said:

Careful phrasing but that letter is SCATHING.

No joke, this is a disaster for PMJT.

Yep. It's very bad for him. And frankly, I could see Singh taking advantage of the press to non-confidence him hoping for a boost in NDP numbers....but I fear that will only hasten in a PP majority.

Singh is in a weird damned-if-i-do/dont place. He brings down JT and can't deliver at least opposition numbers, he's likely done. He supports JT and PP gets a majority, same. JT somehow holds enough numbers that he could pull off a coalition with Singh support... probably same.

[QuickTidal]

Holy shitburgers....

"Sources tell CTV news that the Prime minister has conveyed to the cabinet that he is considering prorogation or resignation, and he's potentially planning to address Parliament this afternoon"


Shit is about to get even more insane folks. Buckle up.

[Abyss]

QuickTidal, on 16 December 2024 - 07:01 PM, said:

Holy shitburgers....

"Sources tell CTV news that the Prime minister has conveyed to the cabinet that he is considering prorogation or resignation, and he's potentially planning to address Parliament this afternoon"


Shit is about to get even more insane folks. Buckle up.

I could be wrong but i think all the 'he's mere minutes from resigning!!!!' hype was rumor and clickbait.

The fun isn't done yet, but i suspect he'll at least hang on through the holidays to avoid the narrative that has him crushed by Trump and desertions. More likely he sticks w it til the Spring and we get an early election where he can exit and any loss isn't his fault (except for all the parts that are his fault).

It really is building to an ugly end to his time as PM. Almost sad.

Almost.

[QuickTidal]

Abyss, on 17 December 2024 - 06:46 PM, said:

I could be wrong but i think all the 'he's mere minutes from resigning!!!!' hype was rumor and clickbait.

The fun isn't done yet, but i suspect he'll at least hang on through the holidays to avoid the narrative that has him crushed by Trump and desertions. More likely he sticks w it til the Spring and we get an early election where he can exit and any loss isn't his fault (except for all the parts that are his fault).

It really is building to an ugly end to his time as PM. Almost sad.

Almost.

Yeah, I honestly think he's WAY over-hated as a PM. He's been beige at best. I only voted for him the first time, but went left after that becuase he didn't do the election reform he promised...but I also don't hate him as PM with the visceral hatred so many do...and Io truly think that's more to do with COVID and the rhetoric that filtered up here from the States during the last 4 years more than anything. The Populist shit that infected the Fed Cons and PP has clearly embraced led to this.

Did JT fuck up? Sure. Are there scandals? Sure.

But as an example of the wild double standards on display... today everyone is FREAKING out at the 69billion dollar deficit right? Meanwhile, in 2009 (during a time when there had been no multi-year global pandemic to goose that govt spending more than average) Harper's deficit was 55.6billion...adjusted for inflation to todays numbers that's about 80billion. But fucking crickets on that. Adding in the extra wrinkle that a massive portion of Trudeaus deficit is the result of our need to purchase vaccines from other countries becuase our capability to make them here were sold of by both Mulroney and eventually Harper...but again no one wants to put those things together.

It drives me right round the bend to watch the Con voters who hate and loathe Trudeau try to take him to task about the deficit and scandals and tacitly ignore Harper having the same or worse in his tenure.

And the connection between Harper and PP is Master and Apprentice...so everyone who thinks PP is going to "Save the country" is in for a rude awakening.

Anyways. It's annoying. I'm also sick of the conflation that becuase I don't support PP and the Cons that I'm automatically a Trudeau lover...these people are so unserious about how our parlimenary system works...

[Mentalist]

Sigh, the angry people are going to have their day in the spotlight. And they'll hate it, and learn nothing from it. Because that's how these politics work.

Since I moved to Simcoe-Grey, my left vote is basically meaningless, so I can vote with a clear conscience.

My parents, who are spoon-fed JT hate talking points and continue to obstinately blame him for all the stuff on provincial level they don't like (despite me trying to explain how the separation of powers work infinity times) will probably help to flip the 905 yet again.

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[Azath Vitr (D'ivers]

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"No one can answer why we subsidize Canada to the tune of over $100,000,000 a year? Makes no sense! Many Canadians want Canada to become the 51st State. They would save massively on taxes and military protection. I think it is a great idea. 51st State!!!"

Trump: Canada as 51st state 'a great idea' | CTV News

That third exclamation mark really sells it... hope you're ready for the civil war when all the pro-union Canadians take up arms (plus you get the second amendment as an added bonus!... and no more of that pesky "health care", who needs quacks when you've got Faith (in Trump)? and conservative supplements, personally vetted by Alex Jones...).

[QuickTidal]

Mentalist, on 17 December 2024 - 07:39 PM, said:

Sigh, the angry people are going to have their day in the spotlight. And they'll hate it, and learn nothing from it. Because that's how these politics work.

Since I moved to Simcoe-Grey, my left vote is basically meaningless, so I can vote with a clear conscience.

My parents, who are spoon-fed JT hate talking points and continue to obstinately blame him for all the stuff on provincial level they don't like (despite me trying to explain how the separation of powers work infinity times) will probably help to flip the 905 yet again.

Yeah, my move has taken me from the leftist downtown Toronto bastion (where we finally were able to vote in a leftist mayor)....to deeply Conservative Dufferin-Peel, the MPP and MP for that region are people I loathe. So my leftist vote for the NDP will do nothing but at least I'll be able to sleep at night.

Azath Vitr (D, on 18 December 2024 - 12:15 PM, said:

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"No one can answer why we subsidize Canada to the tune of over $100,000,000 a year? Makes no sense! Many Canadians want Canada to become the 51st State. They would save massively on taxes and military protection. I think it is a great idea. 51st State!!!"

Trump: Canada as 51st state 'a great idea' | CTV News

That third exclamation mark really sells it... hope you're ready for the civil war when all the pro-union Canadians take up arms (plus you get the second amendment as an added bonus!... and no more of that pesky "health care", who needs quacks when you've got Faith (in Trump)? and conservative supplements, personally vetted by Alex Jones...).

Gods, can you imagine? You know what's funny about all this? Trump is pretty much supporting JT in al his comments (sure he's calling him the governor or the 51st state and shit)..like going so far as to attack Freeland...I'm patiently waiting for one of my cdn trump supporting co-workers to try to twist themelves into knots trying to support all Trump says while still hating Trudeau as Trump quasi-accepts/praises him...LOL. The cognitive dissonance Is deafening.

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[Mentalist]

The 51st state dumbfucks really don't get that adding another California will basically destroy the Reps' hopes of ever winning anything in the "bigger and better" US.

The only reason why Canada isn't super-left is because the vote is split b/w Libs and NDP. If they were both to get folded into the democrat umbrella, the hypothetical 51st state would be a 60% reliably blue.

[QuickTidal]

Mentalist, on 18 December 2024 - 06:13 PM, said:

The 51st state dumbfucks really don't get that adding another California will basically destroy the Reps' hopes of ever winning anything in the "bigger and better" US.

The only reason why Canada isn't super-left is because the vote is split b/w Libs and NDP. If they were both to get folded into the democrat umbrella, the hypothetical 51st state would be a 60% reliably blue.

Indeed.


And adding in that even the notion of this from Trump being a serious thing would basically be the suggestion of annexing a sovereign ally G7 nation...which is so beyond insane that while I would not put it beyond Trump to be serious about himself cause he's a fucking stupid blowhard....the execution of which would usher in WWIII from the rest of the allies VS the US. Never going to happen. Trump's just being Trump. I think JT knew that when he went down there and Trump mentioned/joked about it. It's not a serious thing. It's clickbait for the news cycle.

[Azath Vitr (D'ivers]

Mentalist, on 18 December 2024 - 06:13 PM, said:

The 51st state dumbfucks really don't get that adding another California will basically destroy the Reps' hopes of ever winning anything in the "bigger and better" US.

The only reason why Canada isn't super-left is because the vote is split b/w Libs and NDP. If they were both to get folded into the democrat umbrella, the hypothetical 51st state would be a 60% reliably blue.

You're assuming non-Putin-style democracy even survives the course of Trump's presidency... in the United States.

But if it did, how extreme would they have to get to gerrymander and region-weight Canada enough for it to increase the number of red "states" and red state electoral college votes? Like clusters of absolute nutjobs out in the woods each get to be their own "state" (... and maybe their own little Trump tower, to worship and (as part of that) vote at?).

QuickTidal, on 18 December 2024 - 06:58 PM, said:

would basically be the suggestion of annexing a sovereign ally G7 nation...which is so beyond insane that while I would not put it beyond Trump to be serious about himself cause he's a fucking stupid blowhard....the execution of which would usher in WWIII from the rest of the allies VS the US. Never going to happen. Trump's just being Trump. I think JT knew that when he went down there and Trump mentioned/joked about it. It's not a serious thing. It's clickbait for the news cycle.

Of course he's claiming that Canadians "really want it"... just like all those women he groped and raped.

Then again if he really can "destroy [y]our economy" as Trudeau apparently said---if Canadians had to choose between the destruction of the economy and becoming divided into Trumpistans and tiny politically disempowered enclaves of normalia...? What if Trump effectively lays economic siege to Canada? OTOH he might settle for you letting him build his concentration camps for Latino immigrants, the homeless, and his enemies... basically Trump's Siberian prison camps. Perhaps to have them do slave labor mining gold for fresh Trump Towers.

As for a US invasion of Canada resulting in WWIII and "the rest of the allies" rushing in vs the US---would they really though? It seems unlikely that the UK or France would dare to, especially with Putin still a threat in Europe. If Trump, Putin, and China team up to form a new Axis of Evil Empires (in which China is probably the least evil by most---but far from all---metrics), I'd expect at least western Europe (and Australia) to quickly capitulate (in terms of not attempting any significant direct military action---IDK about British intelligence... nah, they'd probably just look into the best ways to bribe Trump &co).

[QuickTidal]

Azath Vitr (D, on 18 December 2024 - 08:31 PM, said:

Then again if he really can "destroy [y]our economy" as Trudeau apparently said--

He can't. We can destroy his. The exports that go to the US from us stopping would absolutely cripple the US as a nation.

And frankly, we could sell our oil and shit to other nations.

Azath Vitr (D, on 18 December 2024 - 08:31 PM, said:

As for a US invasion of Canada resulting in WWIII and "the rest of the allies" rushing in vs the US---would they really though?

I don't see the US trying to annex Canada and everyone just laying down for it...least of all us, and even more least of all Britain. So yeah, they would.

[Abyss]

QuickTidal, on 19 December 2024 - 03:05 PM, said:

Azath Vitr (D, on 18 December 2024 - 08:31 PM, said:

Then again if he really can "destroy [y]our economy" as Trudeau apparently said--

He can't. We can destroy his. The exports that go to the US from us stopping would absolutely cripple the US as a nation.

And frankly, we could sell our oil and shit to other nations.

It's funny, Canada has never had a sufficient reason to truly exploit the massive massive amount of energy we sell to the US and ridiculously favorable rates. We could probably black out large chunks of the Northeast and Northwest coasts in a hot minute. And the cost of other foreign oil if we cut off the flow from Canada would break things for them. Not to say we wouldn't feel it here, but it's not the David n Goliath they think it is.

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I don't see the US trying to annex Canada and everyone just laying down for it...least of all us...

WAR OF 1812 PART II: CANADIAN BOOGALOO. EH.

[QuickTidal]

Abyss, on 19 December 2024 - 03:37 PM, said:

QuickTidal, on 19 December 2024 - 03:05 PM, said:

Azath Vitr (D, on 18 December 2024 - 08:31 PM, said:

Then again if he really can "destroy [y]our economy" as Trudeau apparently said--

He can't. We can destroy his. The exports that go to the US from us stopping would absolutely cripple the US as a nation.

And frankly, we could sell our oil and shit to other nations.

It's funny, Canada has never had a sufficient reason to truly exploit the massive massive amount of energy we sell to the US and ridiculously favorable rates. We could probably black out large chunks of the Northeast and Northwest coasts in a hot minute. And the cost of other foreign oil if we cut off the flow from Canada would break things for them. Not to say we wouldn't feel it here, but it's not the David n Goliath they think it is.

Please also see our freshwater.

[Azath Vitr (D'ivers]

QuickTidal, on 19 December 2024 - 03:46 PM, said:

Abyss, on 19 December 2024 - 03:37 PM, said:

QuickTidal, on 19 December 2024 - 03:05 PM, said:

Azath Vitr (D, on 18 December 2024 - 08:31 PM, said:

Then again if he really can "destroy [y]our economy" as Trudeau apparently said--

He can't. We can destroy his. The exports that go to the US from us stopping would absolutely cripple the US as a nation.

And frankly, we could sell our oil and shit to other nations.

It's funny, Canada has never had a sufficient reason to truly exploit the massive massive amount of energy we sell to the US and ridiculously favorable rates. We could probably black out large chunks of the Northeast and Northwest coasts in a hot minute. And the cost of other foreign oil if we cut off the flow from Canada would break things for them. Not to say we wouldn't feel it here, but it's not the David n Goliath they think it is.

Please also see our freshwater.

The oil situation in the US is pretty crazy...

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haven't we been told repeatedly over the last five years or so how great it is that the U.S. has become energy independent? [...] the U.S. does produce enough oil to meet its own needs, but it is the wrong type of oil. [...] Most of the oil produced in the U.S. [...] is light and sweet, compared to what comes from the Middle East and Russia. The problem is that for many years, imported oil met most of the U.S.'s energy needs, so a large percentage of the refining capacity here is geared towards dealing with oil that is heavier and less sweet than the kind produced here.

A coordinated, forward-looking energy policy over the last few decades would have targeted that issue through subsidies and incentives. That money has been paid out anyway: it wouldn't have been hard to use it to make America truly energy independent. However, politicians, it seems, would rather keep a situation where periodic energy crises give them a cudgel with which to beat an incumbent.

America Produces Enough Oil to Meet Its Needs, So Why Do We Import Crude?

Could Trump not make a deal with Putin?... And stockpile oil ahead of time. The US already has strategic oil reserves. Wonder whether the Trump administration will try to finally subsidize the construction of refineries that can use (most) US oil---just too light and too sweet (and too fresh and too clean?)---and if so how long that will take. (Come on, build faster, Trump wants to conquer Canada before he dies!)

In terms of natural gas, apparently

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The United States now produces nearly all of the natural gas that it uses

https://www.eia.gov/...-comes-from.php

The UK would certainly complain if the United States invaded Canada, but I doubt they'd directly attack US forces.

Where are you getting the idea that the United States relies heavily on Canadian freshwater? You mean imports? That's apparently not happening much, or at least wasn't when this article was written (2022)---and if that's changed I didn't see anything about that in a quick Google search:

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While Canada technically exports vast amounts of freshwater in the form of other products, bulk transfers are virtually nonexistent. This potential export is shot down because of what [...] a senior fellow with the Frontier Center for Public Policy, calls "thinly disguised anti-Americanism." The primary form of Canadian freshwater exports is[...] agricultural products, which by their very nature possess extremely high levels of freshwater.

However, when diversions, dams, or bulk transports of water via container ship are proposed, the Canadian government has time and again prevented their enactment or outright banned such measures, denying Americans access to valuable water resources.

The American Southwest's Water Crisis, and Why Canada May Have the Solution

[QuickTidal]

Azath Vitr (D, on 19 December 2024 - 05:30 PM, said:

The oil situation in the US is pretty crazy...

Could Trump not make a deal with Putin?... And stockpile oil ahead of time.

So it's a bit insider baseball, but the Crude oil we supply is much easier to transport to the refineries in the US, and is of a different type than the Ural Crude oil Russia exports. But they are not different enough to make the call...but the US imports over 50% of their oil from us, and only 8% from the Russians....and I would put good money on the main reason (other than our allyship as nations) in transport, as well as the fact that for YEARS now Russia has avoided the Oil Cap the G7 nations have on crude by using a fleet of covert ships to stealthily export more than that cap allows.

Azath Vitr (D, on 19 December 2024 - 05:30 PM, said:

The US already has strategic oil reserves.

I mean every G7 nation does, usually about a 90-day supply overlap in case of emergencies.

Azath Vitr (D, on 19 December 2024 - 05:30 PM, said:

The UK would certainly complain if the United States invaded Canada, but I doubt they'd directly attack US forces.

Again, you're suggesting that the US would invade and conquer sovereign nation and no one would blink? That's kinda mental man...

Azath Vitr (D, on 19 December 2024 - 05:30 PM, said:

Where are you getting the idea that the United States relies heavily on Canadian freshwater?

I didn't. I said our freshwater was an export we have much more of than you do per capita and at some point will be as valuable as oil. Canada has 7% of the entire worlds renewable freshwater, and are right behind then USA in cubic kilometres of it...and yet we have a fraction of the population the US does. The math maths itself. It's a future problem, not a current one.

[Azath Vitr (D'ivers]

QuickTidal, on 19 December 2024 - 06:04 PM, said:

the US imports over 50% of their oil from us, and only 8% from the Russians....and I would put good money on the main reason (other than our allyship as nations) in transport, as well as the fact that for YEARS now Russia has avoided the Oil Cap the G7 nations have on crude by using a fleet of covert ships to stealthily export more than that cap allows.

But perhaps enough Russian oil could be stockpiled during Trump's term to prepare for a siege (or invasion) before its end?...

QuickTidal, on 19 December 2024 - 06:04 PM, said:

Azath Vitr (D, on 19 December 2024 - 05:30 PM, said:

The UK would certainly complain if the United States invaded Canada, but I doubt they'd directly attack US forces.

Again, you're suggesting that the US would invade and conquer sovereign nation and no one would blink? That's kinda mental man...

Oh they'd blink. And the stiff upper lip might tremble and convulse in denunciation. But would it give the order to attack US forces? Seems doubtful. Maybe they'd try some covert stuff. They'd almost certainly try to fund the Canadian defense effort (similar to their approach to Ukraine, perhaps?... would they try to ship weapons over the ocean in time?).

QuickTidal, on 19 December 2024 - 06:04 PM, said:

I said our freshwater was an export we have much more of than you do per capita and at some point will be as valuable as oil. Canada has 7% of the entire worlds renewable freshwater, and are right behind then USA in cubic kilometres of it...and yet we have a fraction of the population the US does. The math maths itself. It's a future problem, not a current one.

Almost certainly (I was just buying some more water stocks these last few days, one of them---Cadiz---was my top performer today)---but that's just one more reason to invade. Water will be the new liquid gold. And Trump loves gold, if not water...

This post has been edited by Azath Vitr (D'ivers: 19 December 2024 - 06:27 PM