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T, on 25 January 2018 - 11:29 AM, said:

Ian McDiarmid back to voice Emperor. And check out that owl. I'm still thinking Ahsoka/Daughter link there.

Yeah, Filoni hasn't been exactly quiet that Ahsoka will be back in some form.

And McDiarmid back as Emperor is a pretty great get on their part (though Sam Witwer did do a good job when he played him) since you can't beat the original voice!

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I think Ahsoka has been back, in several episodes already. And Anakin.. Anakin and the 'Son' = Vader. Vader, years later, realising he has a son; Anakin fights back, rejects possession, re-emerges in time to kill Emperor.

I like it because even if it wasn't intended I can watch it that way.

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T, on 25 January 2018 - 07:45 PM, said:

I think Ahsoka has been back, in several episodes already.

No, I mean back after her showdown with Vader at the end of S2 finale which she APPEARED to walk away from alive in an epilogue shot.

[Traveller]

She may have initially survived, but it doesn't mean she hasn't since died/transformed/returned as an avatar presence to guide the others. I think the owl even appeared perched on Bendu at one point but I don't remember where I saw it.

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T, on 25 January 2018 - 08:42 PM, said:

She may have initially survived, but it doesn't mean she hasn't since died/transformed/returned as an avatar presence to guide the others. I think the owl even appeared perched on Bendu at one point but I don't remember where I saw it.

Oh yeah, that's possible

[Traveller]

Oh man.

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His eyes at the end...

[Whisperzzzzzzz]

The suspense, gravitas, and pacing shown within just the first 10 minutes of S04E10 far surpass the entirety of The Last Jedi. This show has grown so much over the past 4 years, and I'm so excited for this arc's completion. Resuming play now...

EDIT: Hera's torture scene with the Imperial mind probe, while brief, was surprisingly tormenting. And the lighting this episode is magnificently understated, yet cinematic af.

EDIT2: Wow. Those eyes. Wow.

EDIT3: S04E11. I feel like Thrawn put a tracking device in the Kalikori ��

This post has been edited by Whisperzzzzzzz: 26 February 2018 - 01:28 AM

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Whisperzzzzzzz, on 26 February 2018 - 12:55 AM, said:

The suspense, gravitas, and pacing shown within just the first 10 minutes of S04E10 far surpass the entirety of The Last Jedi. This show has grown so much over the past 4 years, and I'm so excited for this arc's completion. Resuming play now...

EDIT: Hera's torture scene with the Imperial mind probe, while brief, was surprisingly tormenting. And the lighting this episode is magnificently understated, yet cinematic af.

EDIT2: Wow. Those eyes. Wow.

EDIT3: S04E11. I feel like Thrawn put a tracking device in the Kalikori ��

possible, its in line with his character

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Whisperzzzzzzz, on 26 February 2018 - 12:55 AM, said:

The suspense, gravitas, and pacing shown within just the first 10 minutes of S04E10 far surpass the entirety of The Last Jedi. This show has grown so much over the past 4 years, and I'm so excited for this arc's completion.

I think it's interesting to see that a show like REBELS which DOES push into new territories with brand new characters (under Disney's reign), abilities, and ideals is able to basically do much of the same things that Rian THOUGHT he was attempting to do in TLJ...and why HIS attempt failed so hard for some of us.

David Filoni (as Lucas's protege) fundamentally understands what Star Wars is and what it should always come back to when it is pushing new boundaries, and it's reflected in the fact that REBELS never DOESN'T feel like Star Wars....where I feel like TLJ simply doesn't.

I would argue that Rogue One also comes from the Filoni school of "understanding"...and it LOOKS like SOLO does as well on the surface?

I know some people argue that TLJ will one day be looked at like TESB as "the best"...but I really don't see it. I have a feeling it's going to be regarded as the anomaly that it is. Especially because I think JJ and Terrio are going to retcon a lot of Rian's more terrible decisions (expect Rey's past to be more than Ren implied, for example), and it's going to make TLJ look sillier as a result.

Sadly, iTunes has not updated with the most recent REBELS eps yet on my seasons pass...so I'm still waiting...rather impatiently too!

This post has been edited by QuickTidal: 26 February 2018 - 01:29 PM

[Traveller]

(Seriously, are we ever going to have a SW thread again that doesn't have 'I didn't like tLJ' posts all through it?!)

10 and 11 were both excellent episodes, in many ways. On Rebels Recon, they mentioned how Filoni left the last two pages out of the actors script. He waited until they recorded the episode, took them individually to one side and showed them his drawings/storyboard for the ending of 10; then let them record the last scenes while it was all still fresh.

I liked the subtlety of the Chopper scene.

And the

Spoiler

marking on the Wolf Dume's head was the same as the one on Kanans shoulder

Only 4 more episodes to go. I really hope there's something Filoni-based on the horizon to fill the void when this finishes.

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Traveller, on 26 February 2018 - 02:28 PM, said:

(Seriously, are we ever going to have a SW thread again that doesn't have 'I didn't like tLJ' posts all through it?!)

Nope. He's shoved a permanent wedge into the fandom (that was already split after the prequels). It will be a talking point until enough time and other GOOD material has passed to make me forget about it.

Traveller, on 26 February 2018 - 02:28 PM, said:

I really hope there's something Filoni-based on the horizon to fill the void when this finishes.

I think you can bet solid money on this, and I feel like it will be announced not too long after REBELS ends, and you MIGHT even see a first ep or a trailer for a new show at San Diego this year.

[Traveller]

QuickTidal, on 26 February 2018 - 02:44 PM, said:

Traveller, on 26 February 2018 - 02:28 PM, said:

(Seriously, are we ever going to have a SW thread again that doesn't have 'I didn't like tLJ' posts all through it?!)

Nope. He's shoved a permanent wedge into the fandom (that was already split after the prequels). It will be a talking point until enough time and other GOOD material has passed to make me forget about it.

I get that people don't like tLJ, what I don't get is the constant comments about it in the threads about other SW material, and the 'I didn't like it so no one else should' vibe that goes with it. We know people hate it, what Rian did, how its 'not Star Wars' - do we really need the same paragraphs repeated ad nauseum in every SW thread? I'm looking forward to Solo, but I expect that thread will soon be filled with how it does things better than tLJ, how Rian ruined it all etc.

Ah well, it's a shame, but at least there are other places to discuss SW with people that like it, so carry on!

BK there have been hints that Filoni will get a live project. Although he's so good at the animated series that I wouldn't mind another.

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Traveller, on 26 February 2018 - 05:50 PM, said:

QuickTidal, on 26 February 2018 - 02:44 PM, said:

Traveller, on 26 February 2018 - 02:28 PM, said:

(Seriously, are we ever going to have a SW thread again that doesn't have 'I didn't like tLJ' posts all through it?!)

Nope. He's shoved a permanent wedge into the fandom (that was already split after the prequels). It will be a talking point until enough time and other GOOD material has passed to make me forget about it.

I get that people don't like tLJ, what I don't get is the constant comments about it in the threads about other SW material, and the 'I didn't like it so no one else should' vibe that goes with it. We know people hate it, what Rian did, how its 'not Star Wars' - do we really need the same paragraphs repeated ad nauseum in every SW thread? I'm looking forward to Solo, but I expect that thread will soon be filled with how it does things better than tLJ, how Rian ruined it all etc.

Ah well, it's a shame, but at least there are other places to discuss SW with people that like it, so carry on!

BK there have been hints that Filoni will get a live project. Although he's so good at the animated series that I wouldn't mind another.

I mean, what Whisperzzz said makes sense in context. I'm the same. Getting more out of REBELS than TLJ when the skew is the same for both products; new characters some related to our old heroes, some not, a new unexplored era, new force powers and philosophical discussion on that ect.

...that's topical in my view since TLJ is still so fresh. REBELS is doing/trying many of the same things as TLJ, but broadly succeeding (as far as I can tell) instead of dividing the fanbase/audience. The comparisons will largely write themselves. As the latest big main saga piece....TLJ is going to be compared to everything else until IX comes out probably.

Shrug.

[QuickTidal]

Fuuuuuuuuck. I'm going to be SO SAD! This show has been SO amazing to me.

[Traveller]

These characters have come so far...it's really painful watching the inevitable finally unfolding. It's all so damn well done, too.

[QuickTidal]

Traveller, on 27 February 2018 - 03:20 PM, said:

These characters have come so far...it's really painful watching the inevitable finally unfolding. It's all so damn well done, too.

I'm really y starting to wonder what Filoni will be in charge of next. Disney would be BEYOND stupid to not continue to use him as a show runner for a future venture.

[Abyss]

...i deeply regret all the spoilers i have read since last seasons' DVR implosion. This show has really, really hit all the right notes.

[Traveller]

QuickTidal, on 27 February 2018 - 03:47 PM, said:

Traveller, on 27 February 2018 - 03:20 PM, said:

These characters have come so far...it's really painful watching the inevitable finally unfolding. It's all so damn well done, too.

I'm really y starting to wonder what Filoni will be in charge of next. Disney would be BEYOND stupid to not continue to use him as a show runner for a future venture.

I just love the way he connects ALL the elements of each series together. Love the Mortis arc inclusion.

Tonight's eps.. wow. It's like Ezra just stepped into an

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Azath House! The saving of Ahsoka, and the world between worlds, has just added a BIG new element, that has repercussions throughout the entire SW series. (I wonder if there was any significance to Minister Hydan, falling into the temple in a flash of light at the end?)

The use of all those voices from the original films was inspired - Yoda, Obi Wan, Leia... was that Qui Gon too? And we got the Emperor!

SO much in there, I have to rewatch. Amazing Star Wars, great tv!

The hope the finale is as good... I can't wait! It's going to be hard to watch though...

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QuickTidal, on 27 February 2018 - 03:47 PM, said:

Traveller, on 27 February 2018 - 03:20 PM, said:

These characters have come so far...it's really painful watching the inevitable finally unfolding. It's all so damn well done, too.

I'm really y starting to wonder what Filoni will be in charge of next. Disney would be BEYOND stupid to not continue to use him as a show runner for a future venture.

Ahsoka on Ice!?

[QuickTidal]

Whisperzzzzzzz, on 26 February 2018 - 12:55 AM, said:

The suspense, gravitas, and pacing shown within just the first 10 minutes of S04E10 far surpass the entirety of The Last Jedi. This show has grown so much over the past 4 years, and I'm so excited for this arc's completion. Resuming play now...

EDIT: Hera's torture scene with the Imperial mind probe, while brief, was surprisingly tormenting. And the lighting this episode is magnificently understated, yet cinematic af.

EDIT2: Wow. Those eyes. Wow.

EDIT3: S04E11. I feel like Thrawn put a tracking device in the Kalikori ��

Just watched these two eps last night...and yeah, they REALLY pulls out all the stops. The animation, the score, the acting...just stunning across the board.

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Kanan's death. Fuck. I knew it was going to be hard. I didn't know how hard. I sobbed. I could not help it. The tears just streamed out of my face. And everyone's reactions were perfect. I especially like Sabine's angry helmet throw and then her desire for immediate revenge.

I don't think there has been a character death in Star Wars (Han and Luke included) that has destroyed me like Kanan's does. I watched the sequence twice. What a fucking heroic stand to go out on. The boy padawan who escaped Order 66 (his master fought her two troopers off so he could escape), becoming a Jedi Knight all on his own, and learning and honing his powers...to basically hold off a MASSIVE explosion with the force....the sheer WILL that must have taken him to accomplish, and then the force shove of the ship to get everyone away. And then those eyes clearing.

I think this may have been Filoni's finest episode of either show, topping out over even TWIN SUNS or TWILIGHT OF The APPRENTICE. JEDI NIGHT is EVERYTHING that makes Star Wars great, start to finish. And I think Filoni and co. even knew that, as this is one of the first times that the Star Wars hero theme plays unabashedly over a sequence (Kanan rescuing Hera). You would be hard pressed to pen a better half hour of TV.

Just fuck. I'm a little lost to be honest. And It think that's the intention really. So well played.

And yeah, I could see Thrawn having put a tracker in the Kalikori.

Traveller, on 26 February 2018 - 02:28 PM, said:

10 and 11 were both excellent episodes, in many ways. On Rebels Recon, they mentioned how Filoni left the last two pages out of the actors script. He waited until they recorded the episode, took them individually to one side and showed them his drawings/storyboard for the ending of 10; then let them record the last scenes while it was all still fresh.

Yes, this is the way to shoot those types of scenes. The best directors and producers will do this on lots of shows. It REALLY helps get the most raw performance out of your actors...as they LITERALLY get to mourn the action in real time.

Traveller, on 26 February 2018 - 02:28 PM, said:

I liked the subtlety of the Chopper scene.

Indeed. Quiet. Understated. It opens up Chopper a bit and shows a different side. And for an essential non-speaking character...that's impressive.

Traveller, on 26 February 2018 - 02:28 PM, said:

And the

Spoiler

marking on the Wolf Dume's head was the same as the one on Kanans shoulder

Yep, and I'm wondering if this is

Spoiler

Kanan's version of a Force Ghost/post-life apparition, since he would have no idea how to BE a force ghost without training from Yoda or Obi-Wan...because that's a cool way to handle that. Also, did the credits say Dume Wolf was voice acted by Freddie Prinze Jr.? Because it kind of sounded like him with voice modulation....

Also, can I just say HOW much I appreciate the grey logo on white with ashes floating across it for both Eps 10 and 11 (not sure if that continues in 11 and 12). It was PERFECT, and accompanied the silent credits well.

Gods, I love this show.

This post has been edited by QuickTidal: 28 February 2018 - 07:06 PM