amphibian, on 31 March 2015 - 08:13 PM, said:
1) The state of efficient farming today is largely dependent upon oil/gas, to fuel the machines harvesting, packaging, transporting etc. When all of that fails because the plants just don't grow (crop blight across hundreds of species), then lots and lots of farmers and lots and lots of land will suddenly have to be pressed into service to get the requisite food. There isn't enough oil in the world to make this work on an efficient scale. Entire militaries would need to be decommissioned and their resources shifted into farming. That actually makes sense.
Oil and gas aren't going to last even a fraction of forever, and there are already big swings in the direction of electric and battery power for vehicles. When oil is gone of the way of the dodo, there WILL be something in its place...humanity is not just going too cease when the oil runs out (which will be sooner ather than later). For the last decade the agriculture community has been working towards an oil-less production. It's going to happen...and it's certainly going to happen before a blight makes earth inhabitable.
amphibian, on 31 March 2015 - 08:13 PM, said:
2) The black hole/tesseract was modified by the advanced beings to be somehow safe for humans to travel in.
Okay, explain that. Explain it without saying Super Advanced Beings did it. [See my point below about scinetific accuracy for more on this]
amphibian, on 31 March 2015 - 08:13 PM, said:
3) The Morse code method of communication is explainable by the methodology of developing complex communication methods. It takes time to talk to someone in a different language. That may not be time Cooper has inside the tesseract and he is one person with a finite set of experiences/knowledge in his head. He can't experiment for the entirety of time. He has to get his message across quickly and accurately to someone who'll listen. That's why it's Murph and that's why it's Morse code.
The point the reviewer makes is that if these magical super advanced beings could make something LIKE the Tesseract....why one earth would they narrow it to such a small type of communication? Seems like making a cruise ship to cross a lake using a paddle.
amphibian, on 31 March 2015 - 08:13 PM, said:
4) There's no capacity of building a truly hermetically sealed biosphere on Earth right now. It's very hard to do and perhaps, even in space in the fictional future, it's still hard to do. The blight could get in every time they take food out or put something in (can't take out biomass without putting some back in). Better to put it all up into space and start anew, somehow.
If humans are able to do the things they do in INTERSTELLAR to go to another galaxy (including super smart robots) then they have it in them to make hermetically sealed placed to grow crops. If this was not true, the CDC would currently be a biohazard nightmare. But it's not.
amphibian, on 31 March 2015 - 08:13 PM, said:
The rest are valid points - but they are handwaved in service of the story like the entire rest of SF movies/books/TV handwave certain things. It's perfectly fine to be disappointed in this, but these particular points I talked about have some logic behind them that the author of the critique doesn't get.
And I would be perfectly fine with this if the producers, director and others werne't touting this as "totally scientifically accurate" or as close as they could come. If this had just been another sci-fi film, then I would have no issues. But it's literally been their biggest talking point how they've made everything be scientifically accurate.
amphibian, on 31 March 2015 - 08:13 PM, said:
It's a dynamic similar to those who critique Jupiter Ascending for things like "Why do the lizard men wear leather? Why didn't Channing Lone Wolf Tatum speedskate back to the planet instead of curling up in a ball next to the gate?" The answers are "The leather is the skin of other lizard men, showing a kill/be killed dynamic amongst the lizard men and curling up in a ball with the 1 hour of air next to the highest traffic point in the nearby solar system is the smart thing to do, rather than speedskate at 500 mph to a planet millions of miles off."
See above point. Same thing. JUPITER ASCENDING is not trying to be anything other than a sci-fantasy space opera. It's merely trying to entertain...INTERSTELLAR hangs its hat on trying to enertain me and teach me condescendingly about physics...while being wrong in many sections on that front so Nolan could kowtow to his audience.
amphibian, on 31 March 2015 - 08:13 PM, said:
Not everybody buys into every premise. That's ok. Getting this nitpicky when there are bits of logic strong enough to bear scrutiny on the level of the other things in the movie is asinine.
Again, I don't find it nitpicky when the film is being touted as so scientifically amazing, as opposed to just storytelling...to then dispell the myth that it actually IS scientifically accurate. In interviews Nolan painted this as all but a physics documentary... I fall back on the point he made about the whole Apollo seperating sections on launch thing...yes it's cool to have in there, but when events later conflict with that on such a basic level...you don't get to keep the first one in there. Full stop.
And remember, I'm the guy who is okay with the ending of LOST being that the island has a well of magic and a plug...because magic. But then LOST never tried to convince me it was anything but a fantasy TV show about a mysterious island.
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