[Tiste Simeon]

Jester - you would compare Tolkein with Eddings????
Fool - I read Truckers, I wasn't impressed. I am willing to give him another try though. Which would you recommend I start with?

[Blind]

@Tiste: to start reading Pratchett, try the first Watch novel, Guards! Guards!. That one and Small Gods, are among my favourites of the Discworld novels.

[Jester]

Tiste Simeon said:

Jester - you would compare Tolkein with Eddings????
Fool - I read Truckers, I wasn't impressed. I am willing to give him another try though. Which would you recommend I start with?

No Tiste, I would never compare Eddings with Tolkien.

[Roland]

Tiste - Truckers is a children's book. The real Pratchett is in the Diskworld series and if you prefer the comedy, you should read The Color of Magic, The Light Fantastic, Mort or Moving Pictures. BUT if you prefer deeper satire or hints of philosophy, his latter books, especially those of the Watch (Guards! Guards!, Men at Arms, Feet of Clay, Jingo, The Fifth Elephant, Night Watch and the forecoming Thud).

AND Small Gods, being the best Pratchett book in existence I'd recomend no matter what exaclyt you prefer. Same with Guards Guards! which is close to perfection

[Roland]

I disagree They are hilarious. And each page, word and character is a joke with something in other fantasy books.
The books I find among his worst are The Last Continent and The Truth.

[Matrim]

Roland said:

The books I find among his worst are The Last Continent and The Truth.

You are so misguided! The Last Continent is hilarious, the wizards are amazingly funny. And the Truth is making fun of today's media in a delightful way. The worst books, IMO, are those about the witches, Nanny Ogg can't save them, even though she is awesome. I couldn't even finish Equal Rites.

[Roland]

Check the topic, then check the forum. And stop the off-chat. If you want to discuss Pratchett's Books, open a new topic in Other Fantasy.

[Morgoth]

I actually like the witch books.. at least the later ones. Witches abroad is great me thinks..

Interesting times is probably my favourite of the DW books though. Closely followed by Small Gods and the Night Watch

[Roland]

Tehol never died, since Mael saved him. And the whole "dead coming back to life in Letheras" story had its roots in the plot Besides, it's not like undead master thiefs are lurking all over the place, right?

[Matrim]

I wonder why someone would complain about Shurq being undead and than forgets to mention the T'lan Imass. Shouldn't you be annoyed by them not dying too?

[K'Chain Bull'shite]

OK, this thread has become an insult. Are we talking about the Malazan Book of the Fallen or aren't we? Good thing he doesn't care what you all think, if such an adjective can be applied to your collective and dismal efforts towards understanding. He's not writing to entertain you, that is not his goal, this is important for You to understand. He's signed his contract and he's not concerned with sales numbers. He is not Robert Jordan or Terry Goodkind. He's not going to sell his soul or his principles to sell more books. Criticize all you like, he's not listening, nor does he have to. At this point, anything he writes will get published...the market is established. Now just imagine you're SE , and he, with his limited time, comes to view this thread, which turns out to be more about the puerile rubbish that Terry Pratchett churns out than his own works. You ought to be ashamed of yourselves.

[polishgenius]

Kribalah Rule said:

OK, this thread has become an insult. Are we talking about the Malazan Book of the Fallen or aren't we? Good thing he doesn't care what you all think, if such an adjective can be applied to your collective and dismal efforts towards understanding. He's not writing to entertain you, that is not his goal, this is important for You to understand. He's signed his contract and he's not concerned with sales numbers. He is not Robert Jordan or Terry Goodkind. He's not going to sell his soul or his principles to sell more books. Criticize all you like, he's not listening, nor does he have to. At this point, anything he writes will get published...the market is established. Now just imagine you're SE , and he, with his limited time, comes to view this thread, which turns out to be more about the puerile rubbish that Terry Pratchett churns out than his own works. You ought to be ashamed of yourselves.

I hope you aren't being serious there, because that's pretentious beyond belief. Firstly, you act like you get to choose how someone views these books. Secondly, what someone else compares the books to is not up to you. If you don't like it, argue the point, but don't go insulting people. Thirdly, you act as if you know Erikson personally. It seems to me that Erikson is fairly interested in feedback anyway, considering (a) the difference in class between GotM and the rest, and ( the attitude he seems to display in my limited knowledge: for example this:
http://www.malazanem...read.php?t=3561

[Folken]

Kribalah Rule said:

OK, this thread has become an insult. Are we talking about the Malazan Book of the Fallen or aren't we? Good thing he doesn't care what you all think, if such an adjective can be applied to your collective and dismal efforts towards understanding. He's not writing to entertain you, that is not his goal, this is important for You to understand. He's signed his contract and he's not concerned with sales numbers. He is not Robert Jordan or Terry Goodkind. He's not going to sell his soul or his principles to sell more books. Criticize all you like, he's not listening, nor does he have to. At this point, anything he writes will get published...the market is established. Now just imagine you're SE , and he, with his limited time, comes to view this thread, which turns out to be more about the puerile rubbish that Terry Pratchett churns out than his own works. You ought to be ashamed of yourselves.

or you should be looking at in a different way. If you go to any of those other author forums you've mentioned, bashing the books isn't allowed at all.
Even having this thread shows the quality of this forum and Steven Erikson's fans. We're willing to discuss aspects of the novels we don't like, aspects that piss us off, yada yada. And we all have our dislikes and likes and we're all willing to discuss them. We're not asking him to change anything that would be utterly wrong and would ruin the novels. Still doesn't mean we have to love everything...most things...but not everything.


And just to reply to the person who was talking about ressurection...to be honest the only person that has truly been resurected has been Ganoes Paran. EVeryone one else we fully saw them coming back. Such as Coltaine, we knew that was going to happen. Same with Duiker, since coltaine gave him that thing, don't remember what it was. The BB's we saw it happen at the end of MoI, and thye have a purpose to serve. But as pointed out by Steven Erikson, WJ is not returning.
Toc didn't really die, neither did Tehol or his brother I forget his name, the sword master.

And polishgenius...what difference in class between GotM and the rest? MoI stands right up there with Gardens, if not higher, in terms of epic fantasy. DG and the Chain of Dogs deserve nothing short of a knighthood for Steven:p

[Mithfanion]

Roland

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Besides, it's not like undead master thiefs are lurking all over the place, right?

No, but resurrected characters are, which was the point of Merkur's post. A valid complaint in my opinion, Erikson has far more characters resurrected than he initially said he would.