[Anomandaris]

Ghennan, on 30 July 2014 - 08:23 AM, said:

We have skin who is PI, who is being put up against kesso who we have no information on. So do we ask kesso to not fight to keep around skin? If we do that, bendal will just throw start throwing town after town at him and we will basically be knowingly killing off our own team members just to keep one PIed player around.

Seriously, why would you even suggest this unless you were trying to tell Bendal what to do?

[Anomandaris]

Prazec Goul, on 30 July 2014 - 08:45 AM, said:

Anomandaris, on 30 July 2014 - 08:40 AM, said:

Anyway, I agree with the Denesmet vote if you people think that Bendal was going to put up a guard in night one.

I would suggest Skintick is RI, and I don't think we should believe Ghennan's 'always vote for fighters because one of them is sure to eventually be a guard!' theory he has going on.

What I'm not sure about, is if the Shields know each other. If they do, we can expect one to be out in front trying to guide people (cough, Ghennan, cough) and another lying low trying to cruise control (lowpost) to victory. Current lowposters are:

Merrid at 6

Aranatha at 6

Ultama at 6

Iparth Erule at 8

Kessobahn at 9

(me and tennes at 11)




I just did a read-up, and I don't remember anything about Merrid, and the only thing I remember about Aranatha was that he seemed to have not read the thread and was asking if anyone else thought Skin's reveal might be fake, after 2 pages of people arguing about it.

I just added Ultama to your list. He went from zero to hero in the later stages of the day. That is mightily suspicious combined with his need to add that extra vote.

At the end of day 1, or after the lynch? I mean to be fair he has more posts than I do at this time, and I feel like I've been lowposting pretty hard.

[Anomandaris]

Anomandaris, on 30 July 2014 - 08:40 AM, said:

Anyway, I agree with the Denesmet vote if you people think that Bendal was going to put up a guard in night one.

I would suggest Skintick is RI, and I don't think we should believe Ghennan's 'always vote for fighters because one of them is sure to eventually be a guard!' theory he has going on.

What I'm not sure about, is if the Shields know each other. If they do, we can expect one to be out in front trying to guide people (cough, Ghennan, cough) and another lying low trying to cruise control (lowpost) to victory. Current lowposters are:

Merrid at 6

Aranatha at 6

Iparth Erule at 8

Kessobahn at 9

(me and tennes at 11)




I just did a read-up, and I don't remember anything about Merrid, and the only thing I remember about Aranatha was that he seemed to have not read the thread and was asking if anyone else thought Skin's reveal might be fake, after 2 pages of people arguing about it.

Anyway, if they DON'T know each other, as shields (and I would guess they don't but fuck me I figured Steve-o wouldn't know his shields), they will both be lowposting, imo, and will probably respond to pressure.

[Ghennan]

Prazec Goul, on 30 July 2014 - 08:47 AM, said:

We don't choose who goes into the Arena, Bendal does. Why would he keep putting Skintick in?

How would he NOT?

[Anomandaris]

Just went through Merrid's massive 6 posts. Lowposting, just sort of agreeing and doing summaries of stuff already talked about, and he hops on the train. He does no attacking, no real digging, nothing that might get people riled up with him or to give anyone a second glance at him.

something something playing far too smooth to be town something something?

[Anomandaris]

Aranatha misses the train, asks a couple questions, and posts a 'did anyone think to not trust skinticks reveal' after numerous people spent lots of posts arguing about it... little attacking here, but it reads more like an uninterested (skimming the thread) townie to me.

[Anomandaris]

So, I'm going to go ahead and do a little fishing

Vote Merrid

And see what we can see.

[Ghennan]

Anomandaris, on 30 July 2014 - 08:50 AM, said:

Ghennan, on 30 July 2014 - 08:23 AM, said:

We have skin who is PI, who is being put up against kesso who we have no information on. So do we ask kesso to not fight to keep around skin? If we do that, bendal will just throw start throwing town after town at him and we will basically be knowingly killing off our own team members just to keep one PIed player around.

Seriously, why would you even suggest this unless you were trying to tell Bendal what to do?

Excuse me For not wanting to wait around and wait around for the scum to screw us. I think trying to get ahead of him and force less optimal stratgies or risks from bendal is the way to go. You are advocating we don't put any thought on thread about how bendal will use the mechanics of the game? Well GUESS FUCKING WHAT; THATS THE ONLY MECHANISM WE HAVE FOR FINDING THE FUCKING SCUM.

[Anomandaris]

Ghennan, on 30 July 2014 - 08:56 AM, said:

Prazec Goul, on 30 July 2014 - 08:47 AM, said:

We don't choose who goes into the Arena, Bendal does. Why would he keep putting Skintick in?

How would he NOT?

When people like you insist that we need to lynch everyone who goes into the arena, because that's the only way we will find anything out, he's going to keep throwing town in there for a day or two. If Skin wins, a town dies. If Skin dies, people (most likely led by you) will suggest that Bendal put one of his shields into the arena to kill the RI, and then the next lynch is on whoever Skin was fighting, and town loses 2.

I'm trying to think how I would play as Bendal, and I wouldn't have my shields in the first night, or the second. Assuming the 3 town leaders are more powerful than randoms, if he gets 2 town leaders in there (skin + 1), he's doing great. He doesn't need to test his shields against someone possibly more powerful than a random person, especially with people deciding that Steve MUST be throwing his shields in to PI them.

The whole 'whoever wins arena is PI' thing is amazingly stupid.

[Prazec Goul]

Ghennan, on 30 July 2014 - 08:56 AM, said:

Prazec Goul, on 30 July 2014 - 08:47 AM, said:

We don't choose who goes into the Arena, Bendal does. Why would he keep putting Skintick in?

How would he NOT?

well what is stop him on day three putting two different people in? why are you assuming he has to keep Skin in?

[Anomandaris]

Ghennan, on 30 July 2014 - 09:08 AM, said:

Anomandaris, on 30 July 2014 - 08:50 AM, said:

Ghennan, on 30 July 2014 - 08:23 AM, said:

We have skin who is PI, who is being put up against kesso who we have no information on. So do we ask kesso to not fight to keep around skin? If we do that, bendal will just throw start throwing town after town at him and we will basically be knowingly killing off our own team members just to keep one PIed player around.

Seriously, why would you even suggest this unless you were trying to tell Bendal what to do?

Excuse me For not wanting to wait around and wait around for the scum to screw us. I think trying to get ahead of him and force less optimal stratgies or risks from bendal is the way to go. You are advocating we don't put any thought on thread about how bendal will use the mechanics of the game? Well GUESS FUCKING WHAT; THATS THE ONLY MECHANISM WE HAVE FOR FINDING THE FUCKING SCUM.

I will not excuse you for being a shitty player. I will not excuse you for suggesting, to our known enemy, just what to do to fuck with us. Nor will I excuse you for assuming that the only thing we can do is lynch anyone who is put into the arena, because that's the only way we can figure stuff out.

Are you new at this? Mafia is about how people are playing, how they are reacting, and what they are doing. Not about how many people you can lynch at night.

Giving suggestions to Bendal Home about HOW he should use the gladiator mechanic against us, before it is clear (or even suggests) that he has figured it out himself, is a scummy fucking thing to do. (protip: I don't excuse you of that either)

[Prazec Goul]

Anomandaris, on 30 July 2014 - 09:11 AM, said:

Ghennan, on 30 July 2014 - 08:56 AM, said:

Prazec Goul, on 30 July 2014 - 08:47 AM, said:

We don't choose who goes into the Arena, Bendal does. Why would he keep putting Skintick in?

How would he NOT?

When people like you insist that we need to lynch everyone who goes into the arena, because that's the only way we will find anything out, he's going to keep throwing town in there for a day or two. If Skin wins, a town dies. If Skin dies, people (most likely led by you) will suggest that Bendal put one of his shields into the arena to kill the RI, and then the next lynch is on whoever Skin was fighting, and town loses 2.

I'm trying to think how I would play as Bendal, and I wouldn't have my shields in the first night, or the second. Assuming the 3 town leaders are more powerful than randoms, if he gets 2 town leaders in there (skin + 1), he's doing great. He doesn't need to test his shields against someone possibly more powerful than a random person, especially with people deciding that Steve MUST be throwing his shields in to PI them.

The whole 'whoever wins arena is PI' thing is amazingly stupid.

I agree with this assessment. I would think that Shields would be more powerful than most town, and therefore it would be risky to PI any player that wins a fight.

[Ghennan]

Anomandaris, on 30 July 2014 - 09:11 AM, said:

Ghennan, on 30 July 2014 - 08:56 AM, said:

Prazec Goul, on 30 July 2014 - 08:47 AM, said:

We don't choose who goes into the Arena, Bendal does. Why would he keep putting Skintick in?

How would he NOT?

When people like you insist that we need to lynch everyone who goes into the arena, because that's the only way we will find anything out, he's going to keep throwing town in there for a day or two. If Skin wins, a town dies. If Skin dies, people (most likely led by you) will suggest that Bendal put one of his shields into the arena to kill the RI, and then the next lynch is on whoever Skin was fighting, and town loses 2.

I'm trying to think how I would play as Bendal, and I wouldn't have my shields in the first night, or the second. Assuming the 3 town leaders are more powerful than randoms, if he gets 2 town leaders in there (skin + 1), he's doing great. He doesn't need to test his shields against someone possibly more powerful than a random person, especially with people deciding that Steve MUST be throwing his shields in to PI them.

The whole 'whoever wins arena is PI' thing is amazingly stupid.

When have I EVER said we need to lynch everyone who is put into the arena? I advocated it on day 1 because I thought he had put a shield in it. I suggested that bendal may have put one of his shields in on day 1 because it was almost certainly the least risky time to put them in mechanically.

[Anomandaris]

Ghennan, on 30 July 2014 - 09:23 AM, said:

Anomandaris, on 30 July 2014 - 09:11 AM, said:

Ghennan, on 30 July 2014 - 08:56 AM, said:

Prazec Goul, on 30 July 2014 - 08:47 AM, said:

We don't choose who goes into the Arena, Bendal does. Why would he keep putting Skintick in?

How would he NOT?

When people like you insist that we need to lynch everyone who goes into the arena, because that's the only way we will find anything out, he's going to keep throwing town in there for a day or two. If Skin wins, a town dies. If Skin dies, people (most likely led by you) will suggest that Bendal put one of his shields into the arena to kill the RI, and then the next lynch is on whoever Skin was fighting, and town loses 2.

I'm trying to think how I would play as Bendal, and I wouldn't have my shields in the first night, or the second. Assuming the 3 town leaders are more powerful than randoms, if he gets 2 town leaders in there (skin + 1), he's doing great. He doesn't need to test his shields against someone possibly more powerful than a random person, especially with people deciding that Steve MUST be throwing his shields in to PI them.

The whole 'whoever wins arena is PI' thing is amazingly stupid.

When have I EVER said we need to lynch everyone who is put into the arena? I advocated it on day 1 because I thought he had put a shield in it. I suggested that bendal may have put one of his shields in on day 1 because it was almost certainly the least risky time to put them in mechanically.

The vast majority of your posting is about how the only thing we have to go on in this game is the nightly arena fights. That's it. RI'ing people for fighting in the arena is stupid. So is trying to guess if a random person put into the arena is scum before a fight/CF, based on what you think Bendal would do.

[Ghennan]

Anomandaris, on 30 July 2014 - 09:13 AM, said:

Ghennan, on 30 July 2014 - 09:08 AM, said:

Anomandaris, on 30 July 2014 - 08:50 AM, said:

Ghennan, on 30 July 2014 - 08:23 AM, said:

We have skin who is PI, who is being put up against kesso who we have no information on. So do we ask kesso to not fight to keep around skin? If we do that, bendal will just throw start throwing town after town at him and we will basically be knowingly killing off our own team members just to keep one PIed player around.

Seriously, why would you even suggest this unless you were trying to tell Bendal what to do?

Excuse me For not wanting to wait around and wait around for the scum to screw us. I think trying to get ahead of him and force less optimal stratgies or risks from bendal is the way to go. You are advocating we don't put any thought on thread about how bendal will use the mechanics of the game? Well GUESS FUCKING WHAT; THATS THE ONLY MECHANISM WE HAVE FOR FINDING THE FUCKING SCUM.

I will not excuse you for being a shitty player. I will not excuse you for suggesting, to our known enemy, just what to do to fuck with us. Nor will I excuse you for assuming that the only thing we can do is lynch anyone who is put into the arena, because that's the only way we can figure stuff out.

Are you new at this? Mafia is about how people are playing, how they are reacting, and what they are doing. Not about how many people you can lynch at night.

Giving suggestions to Bendal Home about HOW he should use the gladiator mechanic against us, before it is clear (or even suggests) that he has figured it out himself, is a scummy fucking thing to do. (protip: I don't excuse you of that either)

You think bendal hasn't put WAY MORE tought into how to abuse the mechanics to his advantage than we have? I NEVER said the only thing we can do is lynch those put in the arena, I said the only mechanics related thing we can do is USE THAT INFORMATION. Because we have NO FINDERS, no

Posting ideas ON THREAD about how the mechanics might be used against us, and what we can do to mitigate that disadvantage is not my idea of scummy.

But if you think my play is scummy or shitty then just vote me off.

[Anomandaris]

Ghennan, on 30 July 2014 - 09:47 AM, said:

Anomandaris, on 30 July 2014 - 09:13 AM, said:

Ghennan, on 30 July 2014 - 09:08 AM, said:

Anomandaris, on 30 July 2014 - 08:50 AM, said:

Ghennan, on 30 July 2014 - 08:23 AM, said:

We have skin who is PI, who is being put up against kesso who we have no information on. So do we ask kesso to not fight to keep around skin? If we do that, bendal will just throw start throwing town after town at him and we will basically be knowingly killing off our own team members just to keep one PIed player around.

Seriously, why would you even suggest this unless you were trying to tell Bendal what to do?

Excuse me For not wanting to wait around and wait around for the scum to screw us. I think trying to get ahead of him and force less optimal stratgies or risks from bendal is the way to go. You are advocating we don't put any thought on thread about how bendal will use the mechanics of the game? Well GUESS FUCKING WHAT; THATS THE ONLY MECHANISM WE HAVE FOR FINDING THE FUCKING SCUM.

I will not excuse you for being a shitty player. I will not excuse you for suggesting, to our known enemy, just what to do to fuck with us. Nor will I excuse you for assuming that the only thing we can do is lynch anyone who is put into the arena, because that's the only way we can figure stuff out.

Are you new at this? Mafia is about how people are playing, how they are reacting, and what they are doing. Not about how many people you can lynch at night.

Giving suggestions to Bendal Home about HOW he should use the gladiator mechanic against us, before it is clear (or even suggests) that he has figured it out himself, is a scummy fucking thing to do. (protip: I don't excuse you of that either)

You think bendal hasn't put WAY MORE tought into how to abuse the mechanics to his advantage than we have? I NEVER said the only thing we can do is lynch those put in the arena, I said the only mechanics related thing we can do is USE THAT INFORMATION. Because we have NO FINDERS, no

Posting ideas ON THREAD about how the mechanics might be used against us, and what we can do to mitigate that disadvantage is not my idea of scummy.

But if you think my play is scummy or shitty then just vote me off.

I try not to vote of shitty town because you are still town.

So, tell me, do you think the shields know each other?

[Ghennan]

Anomandaris, on 30 July 2014 - 09:26 AM, said:

The vast majority of your posting is about how the only thing we have to go on in this game is the nightly arena fights. That's it. RI'ing people for fighting in the arena is stupid. So is trying to guess if a random person put into the arena is scum before a fight/CF, based on what you think Bendal would do.

I have made specific mention a number of times that it is not only the results of the fights, but who is chosen, which obviously (or not obviously I guess) leads to who was NOT chosen, which over time will build up our picture of who fights a lot, who bendal doesn't want to fight again for whatever reason, who he doesn't want to fight at all etc. I have never suggested that anyone who fights in the arena should be considered an RI. That you are trying so stridently to put words in my mouth and twist my position is bullshit. Please kindly knock it the fuck off.

[Ghennan]

Anomandaris, on 30 July 2014 - 09:49 AM, said:

Ghennan, on 30 July 2014 - 09:47 AM, said:

Anomandaris, on 30 July 2014 - 09:13 AM, said:

Ghennan, on 30 July 2014 - 09:08 AM, said:

Anomandaris, on 30 July 2014 - 08:50 AM, said:

Ghennan, on 30 July 2014 - 08:23 AM, said:

We have skin who is PI, who is being put up against kesso who we have no information on. So do we ask kesso to not fight to keep around skin? If we do that, bendal will just throw start throwing town after town at him and we will basically be knowingly killing off our own team members just to keep one PIed player around.

Seriously, why would you even suggest this unless you were trying to tell Bendal what to do?

Excuse me For not wanting to wait around and wait around for the scum to screw us. I think trying to get ahead of him and force less optimal stratgies or risks from bendal is the way to go. You are advocating we don't put any thought on thread about how bendal will use the mechanics of the game? Well GUESS FUCKING WHAT; THATS THE ONLY MECHANISM WE HAVE FOR FINDING THE FUCKING SCUM.

I will not excuse you for being a shitty player. I will not excuse you for suggesting, to our known enemy, just what to do to fuck with us. Nor will I excuse you for assuming that the only thing we can do is lynch anyone who is put into the arena, because that's the only way we can figure stuff out.

Are you new at this? Mafia is about how people are playing, how they are reacting, and what they are doing. Not about how many people you can lynch at night.

Giving suggestions to Bendal Home about HOW he should use the gladiator mechanic against us, before it is clear (or even suggests) that he has figured it out himself, is a scummy fucking thing to do. (protip: I don't excuse you of that either)

You think bendal hasn't put WAY MORE tought into how to abuse the mechanics to his advantage than we have? I NEVER said the only thing we can do is lynch those put in the arena, I said the only mechanics related thing we can do is USE THAT INFORMATION. Because we have NO FINDERS, no

Posting ideas ON THREAD about how the mechanics might be used against us, and what we can do to mitigate that disadvantage is not my idea of scummy.

But if you think my play is scummy or shitty then just vote me off.

I try not to vote of shitty town because you are still town.

So, tell me, do you think the shields know each other?

What do you care what I think? I'm a shitty town, my contributions to the thread have been to get town killed and help scum, the only reason you don't want to kill me is so you can maintain the majority for a while longer. So if you want me to be a warm body and nothing more, you FUCKING GOT IT.

[Prazec Goul]

Ghennen. Even if that is feigned indignation, it is a bit strong. There are three people talking here, or two and you ignoring me but even so, it's not like the whole thread is hanging on Anomandaris' words. He's poking you and you're biting.

[Ghennan]

Prazec Goul, on 30 July 2014 - 10:00 AM, said:

Ghennen. Even if that is feigned indignation, it is a bit strong. There are three people talking here, or two and you ignoring me but even so, it's not like the whole thread is hanging on Anomandaris' words. He's poking you and you're biting.

I'm ignoring your posts because the answer to your query is so simple that I can't imagine you don't already know it.