[Anomandaris]

Prazec Goul, on 30 July 2014 - 10:00 AM, said:

Ghennen. Even if that is feigned indignation, it is a bit strong. There are three people talking here, or two and you ignoring me but even so, it's not like the whole thread is hanging on Anomandaris' words. He's poking you and you're biting.

Since Ghennen has apparently decided he can't have a conversation without taking his ball and going home, what do you think re: do the shields know each other?

[Ghennan]

Anomandaris, on 30 July 2014 - 10:12 AM, said:

Prazec Goul, on 30 July 2014 - 10:00 AM, said:

Ghennen. Even if that is feigned indignation, it is a bit strong. There are three people talking here, or two and you ignoring me but even so, it's not like the whole thread is hanging on Anomandaris' words. He's poking you and you're biting.

Since Ghennen has apparently decided he can't have a conversation without taking his ball and going home, what do you think re: do the shields know each other?

Show me one post you haven't been a dick to me.

[Prazec Goul]

Ghennan, on 30 July 2014 - 10:02 AM, said:

Prazec Goul, on 30 July 2014 - 10:00 AM, said:

Ghennen. Even if that is feigned indignation, it is a bit strong. There are three people talking here, or two and you ignoring me but even so, it's not like the whole thread is hanging on Anomandaris' words. He's poking you and you're biting.

I'm ignoring your posts because the answer to your query is so simple that I can't imagine you don't already know it.

You just put down a "strategy" on thread that you want us to follow and I have just poked a hole in it, re Skintick, and you are ignoring it. If Bendal knows what we are doing then he can use that to his advantage. He controls the arena, he can choose who to put in that arena and whoever he does is going to fuck with our heads, if we only concentrate on that aspect to the game.

I don't even need you to respond to my query anyway, my point was, you are going off on one when you could be talking strategy to me and making me understand where you are coming from. What may be so simple to you, is not to me. So can you explain it, or am I just wasting my time asking you?

[Prazec Goul]

Anomandaris, on 30 July 2014 - 10:12 AM, said:

Prazec Goul, on 30 July 2014 - 10:00 AM, said:

Ghennen. Even if that is feigned indignation, it is a bit strong. There are three people talking here, or two and you ignoring me but even so, it's not like the whole thread is hanging on Anomandaris' words. He's poking you and you're biting.

Since Ghennen has apparently decided he can't have a conversation without taking his ball and going home, what do you think re: do the shields know each other?

It's a very good question.

I am not very good at mechanics but I do think this needs to be worked out.

Big Bad = Bendal

Shield 1 and Shield 2 (are they called shields anywhere or is that a name you have allocated them?)

Big Bad knows Shields.

Shields know Big bad.

If they don't know each other that would make it quite hard for scum. (They could target each other with lynches)

If they do know each other then they can stay away from each other on thread.

It impacts how they are going to play the game. I feel as though I am missing something though.

[Ghennan]

Prazec Goul, on 30 July 2014 - 10:26 AM, said:

Ghennan, on 30 July 2014 - 10:02 AM, said:

Prazec Goul, on 30 July 2014 - 10:00 AM, said:

Ghennen. Even if that is feigned indignation, it is a bit strong. There are three people talking here, or two and you ignoring me but even so, it's not like the whole thread is hanging on Anomandaris' words. He's poking you and you're biting.

I'm ignoring your posts because the answer to your query is so simple that I can't imagine you don't already know it.

You just put down a "strategy" on thread that you want us to follow and I have just poked a hole in it, re Skintick, and you are ignoring it. If Bendal knows what we are doing then he can use that to his advantage. He controls the arena, he can choose who to put in that arena and whoever he does is going to fuck with our heads, if we only concentrate on that aspect to the game.

I don't even need you to respond to my query anyway, my point was, you are going off on one when you could be talking strategy to me and making me understand where you are coming from. What may be so simple to you, is not to me. So can you explain it, or am I just wasting my time asking you?

Bendal home does not want to give us any information from fights.
Bendla home wants us to be as uncertain about everyone as possible.
Bendal home has confirmation from skin that he is now just a regular player.
Bendal home does not WANT someone who is a known, almost certain, town in the game.
Bendal home will try to kill skintick but will not risk one of his shields, so will get us to do it, through a town v town fight.
Bendal home will force us to kill our only PI player or we choose to let skin win, which will result in kill on another town, only for him to do it again tomorrow.

[Ryadd Eleis]

Ahahahaha, I was laughing so hard reading the last page or so. I really can't tell if Anomandaris and Prazec are deliberately poking the bear or if their reading comprehension is really that bad If I was Ghennan, I would be tearing my hair out too.

[Ryadd Eleis]

Perhaps we should have a look at Kessobahn's posts, see if there might be a clue as to why they were picked to face Skin. I'm busy right now, but I'll try to have a read through in a couple of hours.

[Prazec Goul]

Ghennan, on 30 July 2014 - 10:39 AM, said:

Prazec Goul, on 30 July 2014 - 10:26 AM, said:

Ghennan, on 30 July 2014 - 10:02 AM, said:

Prazec Goul, on 30 July 2014 - 10:00 AM, said:

Ghennen. Even if that is feigned indignation, it is a bit strong. There are three people talking here, or two and you ignoring me but even so, it's not like the whole thread is hanging on Anomandaris' words. He's poking you and you're biting.

I'm ignoring your posts because the answer to your query is so simple that I can't imagine you don't already know it.

You just put down a "strategy" on thread that you want us to follow and I have just poked a hole in it, re Skintick, and you are ignoring it. If Bendal knows what we are doing then he can use that to his advantage. He controls the arena, he can choose who to put in that arena and whoever he does is going to fuck with our heads, if we only concentrate on that aspect to the game.

I don't even need you to respond to my query anyway, my point was, you are going off on one when you could be talking strategy to me and making me understand where you are coming from. What may be so simple to you, is not to me. So can you explain it, or am I just wasting my time asking you?

Bendal home does not want to give us any information from fights.
Bendla home wants us to be as uncertain about everyone as possible.
Bendal home has confirmation from skin that he is now just a regular player.
Bendal home does not WANT someone who is a known, almost certain, town in the game.
Bendal home will try to kill skintick but will not risk one of his shields, so will get us to do it, through a town v town fight.
Bendal home will force us to kill our only PI player or we choose to let skin win, which will result in kill on another town, only for him to do it again tomorrow.

Okay night 2 he selects a town/scum to fight Skin. Bam Skin dead.

Other than the mechanic that Skin had, what other way would there be for him to stay alive tonight? Why would you want a RI to survive over another town with a role? In fact, you are choosing Kesso to die because there is no other scenario. Why?

Quote

The two competing players must provide their actions to Path-Shaper for the upcoming fight (see below for explanation on actions).

There is no way in which you can avoid the fight.

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After 5 actions, whoever has been HIT most dies.

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In the event of a tie, the player who has received the most support from his fellow gladiators (has the most votes) will win, and the other player dies. If there is a tie in the votes, Batiatus will be the tie breaker.

That means that tonight one of Skintick, or Kesso is going to die.

So today is the only day in which we have a PI alive, re Skintick, and therefore we should have a higher odds of hitting a shield.

Are you think Kesso is indeed town? Then we will lose a town tonight.

Are you think Kesso could be scum? Then he should be able to kill Skintick.

If Skintick dies, then do we presume Kesso is scum? There is no way of knowing.

So debunk the above for me please.

[Ghennan]

Ryadd Eleis, on 30 July 2014 - 10:45 AM, said:

Perhaps we should have a look at Kessobahn's posts, see if there might be a clue as to why they were picked to face Skin. I'm busy right now, but I'll try to have a read through in a couple of hours.

Low posts, nothing that stands out in any way, no major interaction with anyone, agrees with me a bit then disagrees a bit. Can't immedaitely see why he was picked.

[Ryadd Eleis]

@ Prazec: I think I brought up the possibility of suiciding to save a known/more powerful town first. I did this after giving my thoughts to PS, to which no objection was raised about not submitting actions.

[Ryadd Eleis]

However, I meant that as being used in extremely exceptional circumstances, and not as a regular method, which, as Ghennan outlined, would get us nowhere.

[Prazec Goul]

Ryadd Eleis, on 30 July 2014 - 10:55 AM, said:

@ Prazec: I think I brought up the possibility of suiciding to save a known/more powerful town first. I did this after giving my thoughts to PS, to which no objection was raised about not submitting actions.

It is phrased as must supply though.

I guess if they are more powerful Ryadd they will kill you anyway. No one town life is less important than another. How do you now who you are pitted against is not scum and you could have done something to stop that from happening. I am not saying in this case that Skintick is scum, but suiciding just to protect an RI does not sound like good business to me. I would prefer to stay alive to add my vote to the masses.

[Prazec Goul]

(Also if I won a fight then I would be made up)

[Ghennan]

Prazec Goul, on 30 July 2014 - 10:48 AM, said:

Okay night 2 he selects a town/scum to fight Skin. Bam Skin dead.

Other than the mechanic that Skin had, what other way would there be for him to stay alive tonight? Why would you want a RI to survive over another town with a role? In fact, you are choosing Kesso to die because there is no other scenario. Why?

Quote

The two competing players must provide their actions to Path-Shaper for the upcoming fight (see below for explanation on actions).

There is no way in which you can avoid the fight.

Quote

After 5 actions, whoever has been HIT most dies.

Quote

In the event of a tie, the player who has received the most support from his fellow gladiators (has the most votes) will win, and the other player dies. If there is a tie in the votes, Batiatus will be the tie breaker.

That means that tonight one of Skintick, or Kesso is going to die.

So today is the only day in which we have a PI alive, re Skintick, and therefore we should have a higher odds of hitting a shield.

Are you think Kesso is indeed town? Then we will lose a town tonight.

Are you think Kesso could be scum? Then he should be able to kill Skintick.

If Skintick dies, then do we presume Kesso is scum? There is no way of knowing.

So debunk the above for me please.

My point was, and I see now that it was missed completely, is that we should think about NOT making special effort to keep skin alive, because his survival could be used against us in the scenario I outlined. At no point whatesoever have I advocated the death by any means of Kessobahn. The situation I outlined displays the disadvantages to town if we make special effort to keep skin alive at the expense of kessobahn.

As per the mechanics of the fight, I doubt it would be impossible for players to find some way to ensure a victory for one or the other if the thread as a whole decided to do so.

I laughed out loud at the "we have higher odds of lynching a shield" bit, those odds are fucking atrocious. But then, it is probably our best option. *sighs*

I think kesso and skin are both town right now.

[Prazec Goul]

Ghennan, on 30 July 2014 - 11:08 AM, said:

Prazec Goul, on 30 July 2014 - 10:48 AM, said:

Okay night 2 he selects a town/scum to fight Skin. Bam Skin dead.

Other than the mechanic that Skin had, what other way would there be for him to stay alive tonight? Why would you want a RI to survive over another town with a role? In fact, you are choosing Kesso to die because there is no other scenario. Why?

Quote

The two competing players must provide their actions to Path-Shaper for the upcoming fight (see below for explanation on actions).

There is no way in which you can avoid the fight.

Quote

After 5 actions, whoever has been HIT most dies.

Quote

In the event of a tie, the player who has received the most support from his fellow gladiators (has the most votes) will win, and the other player dies. If there is a tie in the votes, Batiatus will be the tie breaker.

That means that tonight one of Skintick, or Kesso is going to die.

So today is the only day in which we have a PI alive, re Skintick, and therefore we should have a higher odds of hitting a shield.

Are you think Kesso is indeed town? Then we will lose a town tonight.

Are you think Kesso could be scum? Then he should be able to kill Skintick.

If Skintick dies, then do we presume Kesso is scum? There is no way of knowing.

So debunk the above for me please.

My point was, and I see now that it was missed completely, is that we should think about NOT making special effort to keep skin alive, because his survival could be used against us in the scenario I outlined. At no point whatesoever have I advocated the death by any means of Kessobahn. The situation I outlined displays the disadvantages to town if we make special effort to keep skin alive at the expense of kessobahn.

As per the mechanics of the fight, I doubt it would be impossible for players to find some way to ensure a victory for one or the other if the thread as a whole decided to do so.

I laughed out loud at the "we have higher odds of lynching a shield" bit, those odds are fucking atrocious. But then, it is probably our best option. *sighs*

I think kesso and skin are both town right now.

Well there you go, I did misinterpret what you were saying. So the best option today, was what Ano and I were doing or at least starting to do was look elsewhere for a potential lynchee.

Ano has gone down the low poster route, were I was looking at Ultama's jump in post count towards the end of day.

What do you think, re the shields knowing each other?

[Eldat Pressen]

Back and I strongly agree with this.

Prazec Goul, on 30 July 2014 - 08:11 AM, said:

We have to think how a guard would want to play this game, they are not going to want to stand out, they are going to want to stay off everyone's radar as much as possible. Easy to get into the later stages of the game by not making any waves, or venturing any strong opinions.

The game as stated before is just and M&P with some added mechanics. The fight will give us some info, but I really dont think the results of who fought and how many times will really become useful until later in the game. For now the best bet is keep an eye on them, but use on thread interactions for the basis of most of our lynch candidates. Day 1 theorizing was fine because it was D1 and there is never really anything there anyway. Turns out Ghennan was wrong, Oh well, we have kept Skin in the game and can now be pretty damn sure he is town.

[Ghennan]

Prazec Goul, on 30 July 2014 - 11:19 AM, said:

Ghennan, on 30 July 2014 - 11:08 AM, said:

Prazec Goul, on 30 July 2014 - 10:48 AM, said:

Okay night 2 he selects a town/scum to fight Skin. Bam Skin dead.

Other than the mechanic that Skin had, what other way would there be for him to stay alive tonight? Why would you want a RI to survive over another town with a role? In fact, you are choosing Kesso to die because there is no other scenario. Why?

Quote

The two competing players must provide their actions to Path-Shaper for the upcoming fight (see below for explanation on actions).

There is no way in which you can avoid the fight.

Quote

After 5 actions, whoever has been HIT most dies.

Quote

In the event of a tie, the player who has received the most support from his fellow gladiators (has the most votes) will win, and the other player dies. If there is a tie in the votes, Batiatus will be the tie breaker.

That means that tonight one of Skintick, or Kesso is going to die.

So today is the only day in which we have a PI alive, re Skintick, and therefore we should have a higher odds of hitting a shield.

Are you think Kesso is indeed town? Then we will lose a town tonight.

Are you think Kesso could be scum? Then he should be able to kill Skintick.

If Skintick dies, then do we presume Kesso is scum? There is no way of knowing.

So debunk the above for me please.

My point was, and I see now that it was missed completely, is that we should think about NOT making special effort to keep skin alive, because his survival could be used against us in the scenario I outlined. At no point whatesoever have I advocated the death by any means of Kessobahn. The situation I outlined displays the disadvantages to town if we make special effort to keep skin alive at the expense of kessobahn.

As per the mechanics of the fight, I doubt it would be impossible for players to find some way to ensure a victory for one or the other if the thread as a whole decided to do so.

I laughed out loud at the "we have higher odds of lynching a shield" bit, those odds are fucking atrocious. But then, it is probably our best option. *sighs*

I think kesso and skin are both town right now.

Well there you go, I did misinterpret what you were saying. So the best option today, was what Ano and I were doing or at least starting to do was look elsewhere for a potential lynchee.

Ano has gone down the low poster route, were I was looking at Ultama's jump in post count towards the end of day.

What do you think, re the shields knowing each other?

I think that, for a TMDI 4-5 game that already has a tyrant steve who knew the identities of the shields before the game even began, the idea of the shields also knowing each other is a bit much to accept. But then, I thought the tyrant wouldn't know his shields either. So fucked if I know.

[Ghennan]

As for who to try to lynch today, I am more inclined to go with a low poster/middle of the roader today, unless someone comes up with a good case on anyone.

[Ryadd Eleis]

Prazec Goul, on 30 July 2014 - 11:00 AM, said:

Ryadd Eleis, on 30 July 2014 - 10:55 AM, said:

@ Prazec: I think I brought up the possibility of suiciding to save a known/more powerful town first. I did this after giving my thoughts to PS, to which no objection was raised about not submitting actions.

It is phrased as must supply though.

I guess if they are more powerful Ryadd they will kill you anyway. No one town life is less important than another. How do you now who you are pitted against is not scum and you could have done something to stop that from happening. I am not saying in this case that Skintick is scum, but suiciding just to protect an RI does not sound like good business to me. I would prefer to stay alive to add my vote to the masses.

Exactly. Hence my second post after the one you've quoted.


But one thing I would add is that there are three named town in the OP. Are they more important/powerful/more useful to keep around? No idea, but it is something to bear in mind.

[Prazec Goul]

Ghennan, on 30 July 2014 - 11:24 AM, said:

As for who to try to lynch today, I am more inclined to go with a low poster/middle of the roader today, unless someone comes up with a good case on anyone.

Any thoughts on Ultama's posting? Am I just reading too much into it?