[Eldat Pressen]

Blend, on 25 July 2014 - 04:05 PM, said:

D, on 25 July 2014 - 03:49 PM, said:

Is there also a lynch mechanic? Is there also a regular NK mechanic? Is the Tyrant a member of the scum?

The lynch will be the main way that town will be able to kill the Shields so that they can take down Batiatus.

There are no other NKs besides the Arena Fight results.

The scum team will be Batiatus (the Tyrant) and his Shields (most likely 2 of them). Everyone else will be the Town team.

The Shields will be able to be sent into Arena Fights a small, finite amount of times. They will be powerful, however they will still be beatable - so it would be a risk for Batiatus to do so. This should give town more of a chance to figure out who the Shields are besides complete guess-work.

There are a couple of 'roled' town members, meaning that there are a couple of town members who will have abilities that can help them win Arena Fights, or delay them.

Heres the quote you lazy bastard

[Denesmet]

As for Skintick, I find it to be a pretty suspicious reveal this early on. It's almost like a healer reveal... what use does it serve giving away to scum that this role exists and who it is so early? No one had brought up its existance, so had Skintick not revealed we would have continued to play without expecting it and have been no worse off for it. Maybe Skin would have been able to use it to good effect. Maybe the confusion after it is successfully used without a reveal would have generated a scum slip...

Instead Skin has gone and revealed it, and Bendal will almost certainly keep picking Skintick for arena bouts until he dies or is lynched, making tons of WIFOM about Skintick's opponents and in general making it easier for the shields to hide.

Which is not conducive to town! Furthermore, since Skintick's explanation has been pretty vague so far, I could easily see this being some scum ability where he doesn't have to fight the next day (and with his vague explanations so far he could easly "add" that to the reveal).

[Prazec Goul]

Town do not lie, so if Skin says he has that ability then he has it, unless someone dies tonight. Then he is lying, ergo scum.


and if we lynch Denesmet now, we will know a) see who Bendal picks to fight, b ) find out Denesmet's CF and C) test skinticks reveal.

Am I missing anything here?

[Kessobahn]

Ghennan, on 29 July 2014 - 01:22 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on 29 July 2014 - 01:04 PM, said:

So why is Denesmet being treated as RI when neither he nor Skin are certainly inno?

I largely agree with Ghrenn's logic, being a very thorough and solid analysis of the situation.

No NK does benefit town though, giving us more time to work out who are BH's thugs. I know the fight info will be lost, but I think such information (excluding the CF) will be largely WIFOM. Attention will be focus the next day on the night's results and winner rather than on what this game really is: an M&P, modified.

Vote Denesmet

I want to see if for all his goofing off he is covering up a scum orientation. I also want to see if Skin is lying about his ability and how the selection process works when one of the contenders is lynched. Maximal info for Day 1 lynch.

I'm not giving Denesmet a free pass by any means, if he starts looking scumlike to me I will certainly take a serious look at it. But just based on skin and bendals interactions on thread, I am of the opinion that he is the more likely to be scum, and therefore densemet is more likely to be the sacrifical town.

If you think that a no NK is beneficial, do you think we want to hold off on lynching anybody until we get more fight combatants picked out by bendal?

Lynching is our choice involving the entire thread and players. NK is BH's domain, we have no choice.

[Kessobahn]

Prazec Goul, on 29 July 2014 - 01:27 PM, said:

Town do not lie, so if Skin says he has that ability then he has it, unless someone dies tonight. Then he is lying, ergo scum.


and if we lynch Denesmet now, we will know a) see who Bendal picks to fight, b ) find out Denesmet's CF and C) test skinticks reveal.

Am I missing anything here?

Other than summing up what I already said, no.

[Denesmet]

Prazec Goul, on 29 July 2014 - 01:27 PM, said:

Town do not lie, so if Skin says he has that ability then he has it, unless someone dies tonight. Then he is lying, ergo scum.


and if we lynch Denesmet now, we will know a) see who Bendal picks to fight, b ) find out Denesmet's CF and C) test skinticks reveal.

Am I missing anything here?

I don't feel like Skintick's reveal quite so clearly expressed that if I am lynched Bendal will pick a new target to battle Skintick. I think people are filling in a few of the blanks in various explanations we've had to fit that story, and if/when something happens to deviate from that you're all going to be really pissed and confused. Just my 2c.

[Prazec Goul]

Kessobahn, on 29 July 2014 - 01:31 PM, said:

Prazec Goul, on 29 July 2014 - 01:27 PM, said:

Town do not lie, so if Skin says he has that ability then he has it, unless someone dies tonight. Then he is lying, ergo scum.


and if we lynch Denesmet now, we will know a) see who Bendal picks to fight, b ) find out Denesmet's CF and C) test skinticks reveal.

Am I missing anything here?

Other than summing up what I already said, no.

I did say it earlier, or as close as, and in fact voted Denesmet before you so

[Denesmet]

And Prazec, you're really one to talk about "town do not lie" and such when you were bringing up stupid ideas like the shields not having been picked yet (you did actually read the OP right?)


But I guess it's only natural to hear fearmongering...

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From a Goul.






edit: fixed pic I hope

This post has been edited by Denesmet: 29 July 2014 - 01:35 PM

[Prazec Goul]

Denesmet, on 29 July 2014 - 01:34 PM, said:

And Prazec, you're really one to talk about "town do not lie" and such when you were bringing up stupid ideas like the shields not having been picked yet (you did actually read the OP right?)


But I guess it's only natural to hear fearmongering...

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From a Goul.

Speculation is something we should do, but not lean on like a crutch. It cannot be a lie, if the speaker does not state it as truth and fact but merely puts a thought out there.

Now if you are referring to..

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Batiatus is Bendal Home. You cannot vote for Batiatus until you have elminated his two loyal servants, Onomaeus and Ashur.

I can vaguely remember a game where something like this happened. You had the Big Bad, and he selected his successors. Was it one of D'rek's games? So I am not going to discount the role coming up again. I'll keep an open mind until we capture a guard.

[Prazec Goul]

However, Denny, you are not addressing the votes on you, or the logic from which we end up voting for you. Instead of deflecting attention, can you catch up please.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 1. There are 11 hours 40 minutes remaining.


There are 14 Players left alive: Anomandaris, Aranatha, Bendal Home, Denesmet, Eldat Pressen, Ghennan, Iparth Erule, Kessobahn, Merrid, Prazec Goul, Ryadd Eleis, Skintick, Tennes, Ultama


2 votes Ghennan: Anomandaris, Skintick
2 votes Skintick: Ghennan, Iparth Erule
2 votes Denesmet: Prazec Goul, Kessobahn


Players not voted: Aranatha, Bendal Home, Denesmet, Eldat Pressen, Merrid, Ryadd Eleis, Tennes, Ultama

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 29 July 2014 - 01:42 PM

[Merrid]

I'm getting hammered at work.

So Skinticks reveal runs with what has been said about game setup by Blend and there's no counter-reveal as yet (indeed, questionable if there should be one here.) I'm inclined to believe Skintick for now. Agree that BH may have put a scum in the early match but there's a damned good chance they're going to let town kill town.

Denesmet may get my vote for that picture repeated ad nauseum.

We need to look at the survivors of these matches - they're either lucky or roled, town or scum. I don't think that would be the only way of gathering information however, seems a bit too potentially random for Blend.

Back in a bit, gotten distracted 5 times in the time to write this

[Ryadd Eleis]

If, as it seems, Blend has mentioned this type of role, it is possible that Skintick has merely caught on to it and is pretending to have the ability in order to delay their lynch for another day.


But as Prazec and others have already said, it's easy enough to begin testing the reveal even with not lynching them today. If what Skin says is true, then he will have to fight tomorrow regardless.

[Ghennan]

PS just confirmed for me that bandal does get to choose a replacement for the fights if we lynch one of them. So the people who seem to want to "test" skintick will probably be more likely to do that.

[Eldat Pressen]

Ghennan, on 29 July 2014 - 01:49 PM, said:

PS just confirmed for me that bandal does get to choose a replacement for the fights if we lynch one of them. So the people who seem to want to "test" skintick will probably be more likely to do that.

As I stated a while ago

[Ryadd Eleis]

Ghennan, on 29 July 2014 - 01:49 PM, said:

PS just confirmed for me that bandal does get to choose a replacement for the fights if we lynch one of them. So the people who seem to want to "test" skintick will probably be more likely to do that.

Someone else had already confirmed this I'm sure.

[Skintick]

Kessobahn, on 29 July 2014 - 01:27 PM, said:

NK is BH's domain, we have no choice.

Your mother must have gotten her whore on
How else explain such a moron?

The NK mechanism is the fights
Hence they happen only at nights

[Denesmet]

Prazec Goul, on 29 July 2014 - 01:41 PM, said:

However, Denny, you are not addressing the votes on you, or the logic from which we end up voting for you. Instead of deflecting attention, can you catch up please.

There's nothing to address, it's typical day-1 highlit-player WIFOM. Happens in every single game where the mechanics lead to certain players being called out on day 1. "Oooooh would scum call out other scum on day 1 to try and beat the odds? No, they wouldn't because we would know they would do that! Therefore, they would because we would think that they wouldn't because we would think they would!" etc etc etc. What is there to defend against in that?

[Denesmet]

So you're going to wait until the last possible minute to lynch me right? Then you'll have to wait for Bendal to come online and pick a new person, and whether they pick someone online at the time or someone offline for a while, making night take 14+ hours, should at least give you some more information to go on.

[Ghennan]

Eldat Pressen, on 29 July 2014 - 01:51 PM, said:

Ghennan, on 29 July 2014 - 01:49 PM, said:

PS just confirmed for me that bandal does get to choose a replacement for the fights if we lynch one of them. So the people who seem to want to "test" skintick will probably be more likely to do that.

As I stated a while ago

Ryadd Eleis, on 29 July 2014 - 01:51 PM, said:

Ghennan, on 29 July 2014 - 01:49 PM, said:

PS just confirmed for me that bandal does get to choose a replacement for the fights if we lynch one of them. So the people who seem to want to "test" skintick will probably be more likely to do that.

Someone else had already confirmed this I'm sure.

I wasn't happy with just 1 person confirming that, so I asked myself.