[Skintick]

Vote Ghennan

[Ghennan]

Skintick, on 29 July 2014 - 12:32 PM, said:

Ghennan, on 29 July 2014 - 12:26 PM, said:

Skintick, on 29 July 2014 - 12:16 PM, said:

I did not jest
when I did suggest

That on this night
there would be no fight.

Bendal made a mistake
an NK is not at stake

For I refuse to fight
on this night.

Hurm. I am not sure whether or not to accept this reveal. A number of people have expressed a desire to vote for one of the combatants, and 2 have already voted for you. This could easily be an emergency survival tactic. You might even just be hoping to take out the denesmet before you are lynched.

Devils advocate; but if it is true, it doesn't actually help town much. Our only method of getting information is through who bendal home choosees to fight, and who wins them. If we do choose to accept this reveal and switch to someone else or don't lynch anyone, we end up with a probably innocent (there could be other circumstances that may result in a no kill fight, we can't know for sure) who Bendal won't choose to fight again. So we risk information to save what will essentially be an RI.

I am unsure how to proceed here...

RI? That makes me blink
RIs exist? why do you think

RI's exist in this game, based on what you wrote in the post quoted I thought you had a limited use "no fight tonight mother fuckers" ability, but once that ability was displayed bendal would just never pick you for a fight again, making you essentially, an RI. But your further posts have shed more light on your role.

Edit: There should be a "No" at the start of the post, meant to put it in after I got rid of a "I don't think" because there are no RIs, but forgot to do so, won't edit it in to the post itself because that changes the meaning quite a bit

This post has been edited by Ghennan: 29 July 2014 - 12:43 PM

[Ghennan]

Skintick, on 29 July 2014 - 12:35 PM, said:

No NK is beneficial to town
If a fighter is lynched another is found
and two town are down

Skintick, on 29 July 2014 - 12:35 PM, said:

Vote Ghennan

Disagree with no NKs being good for us, the only roles town have is combat related ones. We have no finders, no lovers, nothing to help each other identify the scum. Only the fights, and who is in them.

It all depends on who kills who, and what they CF as. If either of you kill the other and they turn up scum, very very likely they are town. Very very unlikely I would turn around and lynch them. However if denesmet kils you and you turn up town, i don't know that I would jump right away on concluding that he is scum. But you, to me at least, seem scummy for previously mentioned reasons. If you do survive today (or tomorrow too?) and do kill denesmet, I would be coming for you.

[Ryadd Eleis]

Delaying a fight, if true, doesn't sound much like a scum ability to me.


So it boils down to whether we believe Skin, and lynch someone else, resulting in the one death today. Unless they're lying, in which case the fight will go ahead and there will be two deaths. BUT if that is the case, then we'll know Skin was lying and we'd simply lynch them the next day (should he survive the fight).


Edit: Sentence structure, put parentheses at end of sentence.

This post has been edited by Ryadd Eleis: 29 July 2014 - 12:54 PM

[Prazec Goul]

Ryadd Eleis, on 29 July 2014 - 12:53 PM, said:

Delaying a fight, if true, doesn't sound much like a scum ability to me.


So it boils down to whether we believe Skin, and lynch someone else, resulting in the one death today. Unless they're lying, in which case the fight will go ahead and there will be two deaths. BUT if that is the case, then we'll know Skin was lying (should he survive) and we'd simply lynch them the next day.

so say we lynched Denesmet and Bendal picks another to take his place then that fight will be postponed until tomorrow night. However, if the person dies then Skintick was lying and has to be lynched

[Ryadd Eleis]

If we lynch Denesmet instead, would that mean the fight still wouldn't go ahead, if Skin is telling the truth over their ability, as Skin would still be involved with whoever was chosen to replace Denesmet?

[Ryadd Eleis]

Heh, nice cross post.

[Eldat Pressen]

One thing I just thought of why put your guard in a fight then make it 10 times harder to defend yourself from scrutiny by making you rhyme?

*Added times

This post has been edited by Eldat Pressen: 29 July 2014 - 12:58 PM

[Prazec Goul]

Eldat Pressen, on 29 July 2014 - 12:57 PM, said:

One thing I just thought of why put your guard in a fight then make it 10 times harder to defend yourself from scrutiny by making you rhyme?

*Added times

That's wifom, he may have realised his mistake and put extra pressure on him to give the appearance of what you say. Skintick says the battle will not go ahead, we can cross off Denesmet and test Skin's reveal. Safe to say we only lose one town player in a WCS.

Is there a way Skin would have this type of ability as scum?

[Eldat Pressen]

Prazec Goul, on 29 July 2014 - 01:01 PM, said:

Eldat Pressen, on 29 July 2014 - 12:57 PM, said:

One thing I just thought of why put your guard in a fight then make it 10 times harder to defend yourself from scrutiny by making you rhyme?

*Added times

That's wifom, he may have realised his mistake and put extra pressure on him to give the appearance of what you say. Skintick says the battle will not go ahead, we can cross off Denesmet and test Skin's reveal. Safe to say we only lose one town player in a WCS.

Is there a way Skin would have this type of ability as scum?

Blend mentioned this specific ability, I think in the sign up thread, as a town role

[Ghennan]

Eldat Pressen, on 29 July 2014 - 12:57 PM, said:

One thing I just thought of why put your guard in a fight then make it 10 times harder to defend yourself from scrutiny by making you rhyme?

*Added times

Because then he can't be questioned too closely, and people get frustrated trying to read through his posts and get annoyed at bendal. That skintick didn't request it or do it voluntarily it gives him a free pass to be non-specific and difficult to communicate with.

I agree that a delay fight ability is unlikely to be a scum mechanic, but

( a ) we only have his word for it and
( b ) even if he is telling the truth it doesn't slow down the death rates of town at all, it just delays this ONE fight until tomorrow. In either event of lying or telling the truth , 2 people will have been killed in fights by day 3. So all that happens is we get no information of it until over 36 hours later.

[Kessobahn]

So why is Denesmet being treated as RI when neither he nor Skin are certainly inno?

I largely agree with Ghrenn's logic, being a very thorough and solid analysis of the situation.

No NK does benefit town though, giving us more time to work out who are BH's thugs. I know the fight info will be lost, but I think such information (excluding the CF) will be largely WIFOM. Attention will be focus the next day on the night's results and winner rather than on what this game really is: an M&P, modified.

Vote Denesmet

I want to see if for all his goofing off he is covering up a scum orientation. I also want to see if Skin is lying about his ability and how the selection process works when one of the contenders is lynched. Maximal info for Day 1 lynch.

[Kessobahn]

I'd also like to see why Ghrenn used the YEAH picture. The best townies are not necessarily town.

[Skintick]

I think Bendal would not choose
one of his own to lose
in a fight
on first night

[Tennes]

Here and read up. I like lynching one of the two combatants for day1, although I don't think it would be a good idea for the whole game. BH is likely to change his tactics after today and we shouldn't use WIFOM to choose our lynch candidates.
Also, I think we should test Skin's reveal. It will at least give us a PI person if he does deliver on his reveal.
I'm more likely to vote for Denesmet right now rather than Skin. But will wait longer for more discussion.

[Tennes]

Skintick, on 29 July 2014 - 01:10 PM, said:

I think Bendal would not choose
one of his own to lose
in a fight
on first night

You're just repeating yourself. Despite the fact that I like your rhymes, I don't like you muddying the thread and making it difficult to reread.

[Denesmet]

Eldat Pressen, on 29 July 2014 - 01:02 PM, said:

Prazec Goul, on 29 July 2014 - 01:01 PM, said:

Eldat Pressen, on 29 July 2014 - 12:57 PM, said:

One thing I just thought of why put your guard in a fight then make it 10 times harder to defend yourself from scrutiny by making you rhyme?

*Added times

That's wifom, he may have realised his mistake and put extra pressure on him to give the appearance of what you say. Skintick says the battle will not go ahead, we can cross off Denesmet and test Skin's reveal. Safe to say we only lose one town player in a WCS.

Is there a way Skin would have this type of ability as scum?

Blend mentioned this specific ability, I think in the sign up thread, as a town role

Quote please? I don't recall this.

[Denesmet]

Prazec Goul, on 29 July 2014 - 07:05 AM, said:

Aranatha, on 28 July 2014 - 10:19 PM, said:

Ghennan, on 28 July 2014 - 08:50 PM, said:

Skintick, on 28 July 2014 - 04:55 PM, said:

Bendal Home, on 28 July 2014 - 03:53 PM, said:

Prazec Goul, on 28 July 2014 - 03:50 PM, said:

Shhhh Ghennan don't use too big a word. You have confused the big dumb troll.

Do not fucking test me! You are slaves to be used and discarded on my order. Fucking slaves -- ungrateful c**ts!

Silly Batiatus. All this time spent watching your slaves and trying to drum up business. Keeps you up late doesn't it? Worry does that to a man especially a slaver.

I bet you're so busy you haven't even noticed that your wife and both daughters are preggers.

Bendal Home, on 28 July 2014 - 08:12 PM, said:

Gladiators gather. This Ludus housed many champions in its time, and yet none greater stand before me on this day. I have secured position in the coming games! Two men to face each other in deadly contest. No quarter given, no mercy shown.

SKINTICK AND DENESMET! TWO LEGENDS TO APPEASE CAPUA AND THE GODS. MAY GLORIOUS DEATH BRING RAIN.

After I mention that Skin may have been buddying up to bendal, bendal chooses to force skin to fight, but since the scum are generally better than town at combat he might be hoping for an early PI by having skin fight on day 1. This is also beneficial for them because today is the day, through sheer numbers, with the best chance of matching his scum up against one of the weaker town, who may not have received a scum combat boost role.

I am very interested in how this battle comes out.

(Yes I did spend a lot of time before the game thinking about what I would do if I got the tyrant role myself. Fuck you bendal!)

Edit: Changed ) to (

We all should be interested in this. As for your thoughts on how the tyrant role might think, you might be right. He could also wait and hope to see if we get unlucky with the lynches first. However, I have to agree and think Batiatus might place one of his shields in the first fight as strategy.

Yes, I think this too, because they are less likely to be lynched during the day. I think lynching one of the fighters may be the best shot at getting one of his guards. I am assuming they are guards because we have to get them before getting him. I was going to say buddies but guards seem fitting.

If we lynch one of the fighters, it will also answer what happens at night if one of the fighters is lynched.

One thing I did want to say, is that we MUST lynch because if we don't we will run out of time to get Bendal.

An idea that just occurred to me and want to put it out there, what if Bendal has yet to choose his guards? What if the winner of a fight gets that position? Ludicrous to think of maybe, was just a passing thought.

Seriously Prazec, stop going around sowing stupid fearmongering ideas.

[Denesmet]

Iparth Erule, on 29 July 2014 - 09:26 AM, said:

Yeah, I think it's fair to interpret from that statement of Blend's that not only are the shields good fighters, but Bendel ALSO knows who they are.

^^agree with this, which is severely disadvantageous to us. Looks like we will not be able to try look for shields signaling Bendal. Pretty much have to just individually determine whether each player seems to be a shield trying to avoid a lynch through whatever strategy they want to employ, or not.

[Ghennan]

Kessobahn, on 29 July 2014 - 01:04 PM, said:

So why is Denesmet being treated as RI when neither he nor Skin are certainly inno?

I largely agree with Ghrenn's logic, being a very thorough and solid analysis of the situation.

No NK does benefit town though, giving us more time to work out who are BH's thugs. I know the fight info will be lost, but I think such information (excluding the CF) will be largely WIFOM. Attention will be focus the next day on the night's results and winner rather than on what this game really is: an M&P, modified.

Vote Denesmet

I want to see if for all his goofing off he is covering up a scum orientation. I also want to see if Skin is lying about his ability and how the selection process works when one of the contenders is lynched. Maximal info for Day 1 lynch.

I'm not giving Denesmet a free pass by any means, if he starts looking scumlike to me I will certainly take a serious look at it. But just based on skin and bendals interactions on thread, I am of the opinion that he is the more likely to be scum, and therefore densemet is more likely to be the sacrifical town.

If you think that a no NK is beneficial, do you think we want to hold off on lynching anybody until we get more fight combatants picked out by bendal?