[Kalse]

As you can see, mostly working from a phone with crappy internet on a noisy bus. Do what you will with that analysis.

[Kalse]

Path-Shaper, on 22 July 2014 - 10:45 PM, said:

Kalse, on 22 July 2014 - 10:40 PM, said:

Anthras, on 22 July 2014 - 10:35 PM, said:

Now that's what can be quite easily construed as a slip. Hmm. 13 doesn't divide, so maybe we've found another assassin?

Possibly, but frankly unlikely. I can easily quote some of my PM to prove otherwise (not that I'm going to do so at this juncture).

Reveals of anything is completely permissible in this game, but quoting PMs is still not allowed.

Ah, I misunderstood. Apologies.

[Kalse]

Galain, on 22 July 2014 - 10:37 PM, said:

Kalse, on 22 July 2014 - 10:12 PM, said:

Fascinating. So individual roles as predicted by a leader of one of two known clans. This is going to take some research.

Yes, and Desra seemed resistant to the lynch...

Seems odd that independents would defend each other. Even if they were paired, distancing is the logical choice.

[Tellan]

Ok Im finally back. Its been a rough couple of days. Im getting read up now.

[Trake]

Sorry I haven't been around, I should have more time from tomorrow. Reading up, I was agreeing with Kedeviss' suspicions that Ryadd or Fener might be an indy, although we now see where Ked got that inspiration from.

Interesting to read from the scene that it looks like Ryadd was done in by another Rokkaku.

[Galain]

Kalse, on 22 July 2014 - 10:51 PM, said:

Galain, on 22 July 2014 - 10:37 PM, said:

Kalse, on 22 July 2014 - 10:12 PM, said:

Fascinating. So individual roles as predicted by a leader of one of two known clans. This is going to take some research.

Yes, and Desra seemed resistant to the lynch...

Seems odd that independents would defend each other. Even if they were paired, distancing is the logical choice.

Given that Ryadd (a leader) implied that he knew that Ked was an indie, I think it suggests that Desra may be another leader.

[Galain]

Kalse, on 22 July 2014 - 10:40 PM, said:

Anthras, on 22 July 2014 - 10:35 PM, said:

Now that's what can be quite easily construed as a slip. Hmm. 13 doesn't divide, so maybe we've found another assassin?

Possibly, but frankly unlikely. I can easily quote some of my PM to prove otherwise (not that I'm going to do so at this juncture).

How can you possibly be an assassin? Either you are or you aren't. How is it unlikely? This implies that you may sometimes be an assassin. Maybe a vig?

[Silchas Ruin]

Galain, on 23 July 2014 - 12:06 AM, said:

Kalse, on 22 July 2014 - 10:51 PM, said:

Galain, on 22 July 2014 - 10:37 PM, said:

Kalse, on 22 July 2014 - 10:12 PM, said:

Fascinating. So individual roles as predicted by a leader of one of two known clans. This is going to take some research.

Yes, and Desra seemed resistant to the lynch...

Seems odd that independents would defend each other. Even if they were paired, distancing is the logical choice.

Given that Ryadd (a leader) implied that he knew that Ked was an indie, I think it suggests that Desra may be another leader.

It seems odd that leaders would know who the independents are though. And again, in this situation there was no reason for Desra to defend an independent.

[Silchas Ruin]

Trake, on 22 July 2014 - 11:42 PM, said:

Sorry I haven't been around, I should have more time from tomorrow. Reading up, I was agreeing with Kedeviss' suspicions that Ryadd or Fener might be an indy, although we now see where Ked got that inspiration from.

Interesting to read from the scene that it looks like Ryadd was done in by another Rokkaku.

I don't know where you got the idea that Fener might have been an independent, Kedeviss' complaint that Fener was a follower, and jumped on the train without justification.

[Omtose]

Here and catching up, but does anyone else find it odd that out of 13 players, the NKs found a Leader and a Second in Command? That such vital roles were hit almost proves for me that there are at least 3 factions, maybe even 4. That or someone is/some people are able to choose, in some way who to kill.

[Fener]

Omtose, on 23 July 2014 - 06:22 AM, said:

Here and catching up, but does anyone else find it odd that out of 13 players, the NKs found a Leader and a Second in Command? That such vital roles were hit almost proves for me that there are at least 3 factions, maybe even 4. That or someone is/some people are able to choose, in some way who to kill.

Are you trying to say you received a 'random kill' or something, where you don't get to choose who to kill? My experience, both as Samurai and Mafioso, indicate that all kill actions I've come across are targeted...

[Omtose]

Fener, on 23 July 2014 - 06:51 AM, said:

Omtose, on 23 July 2014 - 06:22 AM, said:

Here and catching up, but does anyone else find it odd that out of 13 players, the NKs found a Leader and a Second in Command? That such vital roles were hit almost proves for me that there are at least 3 factions, maybe even 4. That or someone is/some people are able to choose, in some way who to kill.

Are you trying to say you received a 'random kill' or something, where you don't get to choose who to kill? My experience, both as Samurai and Mafioso, indicate that all kill actions I've come across are targeted...

Of course not. My point was the exact opposite. I think there are just so MANY vital roles, than just picking random alts was more likely to hit people like that than a 2 faction game would suggest reasonable.

2 factions = 2 leaders 2 seconds = 4/13 = just under 33%
3 factions = 3 leaders 3 seconds = 6/13 = just under 50%

I should have clarified the last statement better, I think people have more choice than normal when choosing who to kill. Either more information about who is what, or vital information about what may try to be communicated on thread. but as this is my first faction game I don't really know what that would be, or what it would look like.

After so many games of Day 1 lynches doing nothing positive I am automatically suspicious of 2 central(?) roles going pop during Night 1. Since it seems like (from my own PM and from the discussion on thread) we are all ignorant of who we are all allies and enemies with.

Sorry if it sounded like it was trying to hint at anything weird like random kills.

[Silchas Ruin]

Well friends, this has been an absolutely thrilling day. I'm heading to bed, hopefully there is some more conversation while I am away.

[Omtose]

I am not going to look too deeply at people seeming to side with Kedeviss, as an independant player I don't think anyone would know who they are to defend them. Even if they did know, why bother? It's an independant.

More interesting to me is the death of the leader of a faction and the second in command of another.

Depending on the setup, and the amount of power and influence seconds have, they might be more well known than the leaders, some flavour text along the lines of "leader X is very very reclusive/paranoid and only speaks with their second, and all communication must go through him" So I will take a look and see who is defending or agreeing with them.

I doubt so early people have positively identified enemies so antagonising them seems unlikely to indicate different factions.

Without further preamble, here we go!

Ryadd Eleis, on 21 July 2014 - 10:48 PM, said:

Anthras, on 21 July 2014 - 02:27 PM, said:

Did someone photoshop big hair onto Ryadd's avatar?

My enormos brain cannot be contained by a regular mortal head.

Kedeviss, on 21 July 2014 - 05:39 PM, said:

Omtose, on 21 July 2014 - 05:33 PM, said:

Venesara, on 21 July 2014 - 05:31 PM, said:

My avatar is one of the best so far.

Oh please. This avatar is the only one people have fought over. It is plainly the best.

(I won)

Omtose is trying to subconsciously have us believe that he's going to win this game... single-handedly. This is a faction game, so this does not make any sense.

vote Omtose

Cause he's trying to confuse us already.

You two have pretty similar avatars. Either you should be lovers or one of you should die to prevent confusion.

Vote Kedeviss

Ked, if you don't like it, the first optrion is still there...

Early banter with Anthras and Ked. Highly probable to be just banter, but in case anyone else can see something here I am missing going to include it anyway.

Ryadd Eleis, on 21 July 2014 - 11:47 PM, said:

Galain, on 21 July 2014 - 11:42 PM, said:

Ryadd Eleis, on 21 July 2014 - 11:35 PM, said:

Galain, on 21 July 2014 - 11:25 PM, said:

Does anyone else get the impression that this game is mourning the death of James Garner? Where is the day 1 spamming? False accusations? FFS what happened to dragonsecks?

The lake and mountain scenery at the start was just so zenn I can't even think about being a vengeance right now and dragonsex would be fucked up with us being all bald old farts.

Speak for yourself. Sexing bald old farts is my turn on.

Me too! I so want Ked and Omtose to make out! Too bad I have a fro

Highly interesting here. Not sure what the signal was, but I am leaning towards some specific mention of vengeance, the mention of zen (or zenn specific?) or the specific scenery mentioned. After I am done with this post I will go back and see if they were tentative around each other before this post and really chummy after.

Omtose, on 22 July 2014 - 02:59 PM, said:

Ryadd Eleis, on 22 July 2014 - 02:24 PM, said:

Anthras, on 22 July 2014 - 02:09 PM, said:

Ryadd Eleis, on 22 July 2014 - 02:05 PM, said:

Kedeviss, on 22 July 2014 - 01:25 PM, said:

Desra, on 22 July 2014 - 01:15 PM, said:

If we are in a faction game, on Day 1 when nobody knows their team mates (nominally), why would we be overly concerned about the missed lynch?

I mean, I could be persuaded to vote, but I don;t want to blindly lynch a potential ally.

Am I wrong here?

No, you're not wrong, really... but if there aren't any NKs (not very likely to be the case, but you never know) during Night 1, then we start Day 2 exactly where we ended Day 1, which is nowhere. You gotta have some death to start a culture hunt.

I seriously doubt Shin would put together a game with no lethal actions in it. And with the meta restrictions being so relaxed, some vig is bound to blow their lid early if they can.

Shinrei, on 14 July 2014 - 03:50 PM, said:

- Bloodiness depends to be honest. Based on how people play, it could be really short and vicious, or long and drawn out. I tend to like game designs that can tip either way.

In a nutshell, I'm big on personal accountability in my games, this one especially. Create your own opportunities, and dig your own graves.

This is Shin on the potential bloodiness of this game, so I'd assume NK's are at least possible, if not likely.

Personal accountability ya? Maybe he gave someone a triple NK but made their personal vc to not use them

Hah, sprinked Vigs like candy throughout the roles. "You get a vig, aren't you adorable you get two! You get one, and you get one. Oh darn I spilled the rest into your lap, now don't you go using them all at once!" *Wags finger*

Edit: removed a second "throughout the roles"

I respond jokingly about him suggesting that people have an ounce of restraint. Putting it here for completeness sake.

Jalan, on 22 July 2014 - 03:47 PM, said:

The intensity of that post by Kedeviss does warrant a closer look.

Not only that but Kedeviss seems to think that a lynch on day one in a faction game is important, when we need to be really careful who we choose in case they are on our team.

The last bit of his post contradicts the no NK statement as he is talking about having a bit of death to start a culture hunt. It is a bit strange as he is the only option at the moment (for the lynch) and he hasn't provided us with an alternative.

19 minutes after Ryadd puts a serious vote on kedeviss Jalan pops up agreeing wholeheartedly and adding a (incorrect?) argument of his own against kedeviss

There there is a looong pissing match between various players. Silchas Ruin comes close to defending Jalan and Ryadd but skrits the edge pretty well so I think he is just arguing with Kedeviss.

[Omtose]

With so few posts, I nearly forgot about venesara. Apparently mod informed RL stuff going on, not a lot to go on in any case.

Kedeviss, on 21 July 2014 - 05:39 PM, said:

Omtose, on 21 July 2014 - 05:33 PM, said:

Venesara, on 21 July 2014 - 05:31 PM, said:

My avatar is one of the best so far.

Oh please. This avatar is the only one people have fought over. It is plainly the best.

(I won)

Omtose is trying to subconsciously have us believe that he's going to win this game... single-handedly. This is a faction game, so this does not make any sense.

vote Omtose

Cause he's trying to confuse us already.

Me and kedeviss joke with him about avatars

Venesara, on 22 July 2014 - 08:19 PM, said:

PathShaper has my reasons for my delay, and I assure you they are valid. Simply put, some of us can't always be as present on thread as one would like. This is a faction game, though. During a normal scum and town game, everyone's input is needed in order to attempt to figure out scum from town. This faction game is quite different from a perspective of how much players participate. Faction games lend me to believe that patience is more important than in normal games.

Town can't band together and accuse someone of scum. Here, we have to take into account that we are likely going after someone of our own faction. If someone finds a reason to claim an individual as a specific faction, then we're left with a scenario where those who don't vote must be revealing as being on the same team, while those who continue to push a vote reveal as not on that faction.

Quite a different dance than some of our new players are used to. I for one, can't say I've missed much up until now. Everyone held their thoughts close before the 24 hour deadline, which speaks volumes.

All I see us left with right now, is a lynch in process on Kedeviss, which is standard for today. It could have been anyone today.

vote Kedeviss

A lot of words for no real input. Doesn't name a single player in any post all game long, no interaction with anyone. Surprised to see them NKed after actually looking at their presence in the game.

Edit: *Apart from thte obvious vote of course*

This post has been edited by Omtose: 23 July 2014 - 10:37 AM

[Fener]

Ultama and Trake have amazingly large 3 posts a piece.




So I'm going to

Vote The Tiger of Summer, The Lord of War, The Great Whiskered One

And then go to bed as well. Hopefully people get a bit more chatty today.

[Tellan]

Fener, on 22 July 2014 - 10:26 AM, said:

Omtose, on 22 July 2014 - 10:12 AM, said:

We don't have a lot of time left to try and gather enough votes for any lynch, so we have to start taking a serious look at what we want to do today. Or we face another patented Malazan Mafia No Lynch On Day 1TM.

Maybe you should stop lying to the entire game, and actually remove your old vote before your fake-vote for someone who has voted for you as a way of distancing.

I mean... I'm just saying...

Omtose, on 22 July 2014 - 10:29 AM, said:

Fener, on 22 July 2014 - 10:26 AM, said:

Omtose, on 22 July 2014 - 10:12 AM, said:

We don't have a lot of time left to try and gather enough votes for any lynch, so we have to start taking a serious look at what we want to do today. Or we face another patented Malazan Mafia No Lynch On Day 1TM.

Maybe you should stop lying to the entire game, and actually remove your old vote before your fake-vote for someone who has voted for you as a way of distancing.

I mean... I'm just saying...

Oops!

Removte Vote

Vote Kedeviss

Thanks

@Galain: We have less than a 3rd of the day left, and have barely cracked 2 pages. I am not holding out a lot of hope for a nuanced and reasoned discussion for what pathetic amounts of discussion there has been to date with the amount of activity there has been.

Fener, on 22 July 2014 - 10:48 AM, said:

Galain, on 22 July 2014 - 10:26 AM, said:

Omtose, on 22 July 2014 - 10:12 AM, said:

We don't have a lot of time left to try and gather enough votes for any lynch, so we have to start taking a serious look at what we want to do today. Or we face another patented Malazan Mafia No Lynch On Day 1TM.

By my reckoning we have 10 hours. It seems a bit premature to start whining that we won't get a lynch, no?

Look at that bald fop. I'm pretty sure whining is all he does, besides turning the vast swaths of peasants into eunuchs after they cuckold him.

Fener, on 22 July 2014 - 10:56 AM, said:

Omtose, on 22 July 2014 - 10:50 AM, said:

Fener, on 22 July 2014 - 10:48 AM, said:

Galain, on 22 July 2014 - 10:26 AM, said:

Omtose, on 22 July 2014 - 10:12 AM, said:

We don't have a lot of time left to try and gather enough votes for any lynch, so we have to start taking a serious look at what we want to do today. Or we face another patented Malazan Mafia No Lynch On Day 1TM.

By my reckoning we have 10 hours. It seems a bit premature to start whining that we won't get a lynch, no?

Look at that bald fop. I'm pretty sure whining is all he does, besides turning the vast swaths of peasants into eunuchs after they cuckold him.

You REALLY want to start down the "ridiculous hair" route? You? Mr highly-suggestive-hair-structure?

Sometimes a cigar isn't a cigar, am I right?

Old man, with hair as virile as mine, your attempts at shaming me are as poorly thought out as your topiary garden.

Fener, on 22 July 2014 - 11:11 AM, said:

Omtose, on 22 July 2014 - 11:08 AM, said:

Fener, on 22 July 2014 - 10:56 AM, said:

Old man, with hair as virile as mine, your attempts at shaming me are as poorly thought out as your topiary garden.

With hair as virile as yours one has to wonder, what are you compensating for? And, bitch PUH-LEASE, my garden is a thing of beauty!

You see these sleeves? Geisha in each one.

I wouldn't soil my yaks' night soil by allowing it to be spread in your topiary garden.

Desra, on 22 July 2014 - 12:38 PM, said:

at least I'm not making up pseudo-cases on Kedeviss

Ok finally able to get some thoughts on thread. This interaction D1 caught my eye. Omtose starts trying to put some presure on Kedeviss and immediately Fener jumps in and starts to sidetrack the though process away from looking at Kedeviss by trading insults with Omtose. then a few posts in drops off thread and Desra picks up the defense. I think either one or both are probably assassins

[Kalse]

Fener, on 23 July 2014 - 10:43 AM, said:

Ultama and Trake have amazingly large 3 posts a piece.




So I'm going to

Vote The Tiger of Summer, The Lord of War, The Great Whiskered One

And then go to bed as well. Hopefully people get a bit more chatty today.

Interesting vote. If we all do that, does someone important die?

[Omtose]

Path-Shaper, on 22 July 2014 - 09:44 PM, said:

Yoshikata Rokkaku walked along the wall of the castle that overlooked the river-cut ravine far below. Following behind at a respectful distance was his sandal-bearer, a young boy of 8, and his trusted Captain Azai Hisamisa. As he turned to make a comment on the night he was surprised to find Azai was standing mere inches away, and the boy was no where to be seen. His eyes widened and he began to scream, as with a gentle push, Azai sent him off the wall.

Ryeid Elas, Yoshitaka Rokkaku, is dead. He was D'rek and leader of the Rokkaku clan.

The outpost was dimly lit by torches, and as suspected the guards were all varying stages of drunk. Mibutomo Masaharu led his small group of hand-picked men over the wall and past the sharpened stakes. With a battle cry they rushed the center of the courtyard. Taken completely by surprise the defenders were soon overwhelmed. Surrounded, the captain of the fort surrendered and requested (as was only proper in this case), to commit seppuku.


Venesara, Masanaga Teruo, is dead. He was Brujah, and 2nd in command of the Ashikaga.

Path-Shaper, on 20 July 2014 - 02:55 AM, said:

Political instability and warfare have been the defining themes of more than a generation. Men in stations both high and low had risen to new heights, only to be torn down and trampled. Some rose again, some did not. Backing the wrong allies could ruin any lord, no matter how powerful. Famous families had fallen with new upstarts arising to take their place, only to find themselves also falling to the next ambitious player. This long season of turmoil was beginning to take its toll on a nation, now wishing to find a unifying force. Of course, each side believed that IT would be the one.

The general stalked down the hall of the keep towards the room where his men awaited. The young page slid the doors back and he entered the hall, stumping through the sudden silence that descended on the room as he reached the dais. He turned and sat smoothly on the raised platform and surveyed his counselors. Before speaking a word, he eyed each man in turn. Some he knew he could trust. Others he knew he had to trust in order to advance past rival clans. Whether or not they could actually be trusted was besides the point. He himself had risen to his position when opportunity to tear down a rival had occurred. He expected that others would do the same to him, so he would remain vigilant.

After locking eyes with each of his men, he began, “Summer has come. The cicadas cry out in the trees, and the only way to silence them is with the cries of our enemies. We have waited through the long winter, and now it is time to seize what is ours by right. Reports from our border posts have come that indicate forces massing for an attack. We shall meet them, and we shall prevail. Take up your spears and bows, and ride. We leave immediately.”

It is Day 1. Time has not yet started.

14 players are alive:
Anthras, Desra, Fener, Galain, Jalan, Kalse, Kedeviss, Omtose, Ryadd Eleis, Silchas Ruin, Tellan, Trake, Ultama, Venesara

8 votes to lynch, 8 to go to night.

Does anyone else think we should take a closer look at this first scene?

The leader was explicitly killed by his second in command. Given the setup and starting description I don't think this is just "flavour" that was applied to a generic NK. I think it was a scene setup specifically for this scenario. I think what happened to D'rek was kind of like a 1 time vig-slash-overthrow

In my opinion this is incredibly useful information because it tells us that

( A ) second in commands can kill their own leaders under certain circumstances (only some of them if the setup from PS is to be belived)
and
( B ) there was only one "regular" NK last night, so we aren't looking at a 3 day game, or facing multiple NKs per day.

Any thoughts?

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 22 hours and 10 minutes of day are left.

11 players are alive:
Anthras, Desra, Fener, Galain, Jalan, Kalse, Omtose, Silchas Ruin, Tellan, Trake, Ultama

6 votes to lynch, 6 to go to night

1 vote Trake: Fener

Players not voting: Anthras, Desra, Galain, Jalan, Kalse, Omtose, Silchas Ruin, Tellan, Trake, Ultama