[Tellan]

Omtose, on 23 July 2014 - 11:31 AM, said:

Does anyone else think we should take a closer look at this first scene?

The leader was explicitly killed by his second in command. Given the setup and starting description I don't think this is just "flavour" that was applied to a generic NK. I think it was a scene setup specifically for this scenario. I think what happened to D'rek was kind of like a 1 time vig-slash-overthrow

In my opinion this is incredibly useful information because it tells us that

( A ) second in commands can kill their own leaders under certain circumstances (only some of them if the setup from PS is to be belived)
and
( B ) there was only one "regular" NK last night, so we aren't looking at a 3 day game, or facing multiple NKs per day.

Any thoughts?

Well the question is do the seconds know their leader? Or was that an oops? Are you saying you know who your leader is cause I sure dont know who anyone else in my faction is.

[Kalse]

Omtose, on 23 July 2014 - 11:31 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 22 July 2014 - 09:44 PM, said:

Yoshikata Rokkaku walked along the wall of the castle that overlooked the river-cut ravine far below. Following behind at a respectful distance was his sandal-bearer, a young boy of 8, and his trusted Captain Azai Hisamisa. As he turned to make a comment on the night he was surprised to find Azai was standing mere inches away, and the boy was no where to be seen. His eyes widened and he began to scream, as with a gentle push, Azai sent him off the wall.

Ryeid Elas, Yoshitaka Rokkaku, is dead. He was D'rek and leader of the Rokkaku clan.

The outpost was dimly lit by torches, and as suspected the guards were all varying stages of drunk. Mibutomo Masaharu led his small group of hand-picked men over the wall and past the sharpened stakes. With a battle cry they rushed the center of the courtyard. Taken completely by surprise the defenders were soon overwhelmed. Surrounded, the captain of the fort surrendered and requested (as was only proper in this case), to commit seppuku.


Venesara, Masanaga Teruo, is dead. He was Brujah, and 2nd in command of the Ashikaga.

Path-Shaper, on 20 July 2014 - 02:55 AM, said:

Political instability and warfare have been the defining themes of more than a generation. Men in stations both high and low had risen to new heights, only to be torn down and trampled. Some rose again, some did not. Backing the wrong allies could ruin any lord, no matter how powerful. Famous families had fallen with new upstarts arising to take their place, only to find themselves also falling to the next ambitious player. This long season of turmoil was beginning to take its toll on a nation, now wishing to find a unifying force. Of course, each side believed that IT would be the one.

The general stalked down the hall of the keep towards the room where his men awaited. The young page slid the doors back and he entered the hall, stumping through the sudden silence that descended on the room as he reached the dais. He turned and sat smoothly on the raised platform and surveyed his counselors. Before speaking a word, he eyed each man in turn. Some he knew he could trust. Others he knew he had to trust in order to advance past rival clans. Whether or not they could actually be trusted was besides the point. He himself had risen to his position when opportunity to tear down a rival had occurred. He expected that others would do the same to him, so he would remain vigilant.

After locking eyes with each of his men, he began, “Summer has come. The cicadas cry out in the trees, and the only way to silence them is with the cries of our enemies. We have waited through the long winter, and now it is time to seize what is ours by right. Reports from our border posts have come that indicate forces massing for an attack. We shall meet them, and we shall prevail. Take up your spears and bows, and ride. We leave immediately.”

It is Day 1. Time has not yet started.

14 players are alive:
Anthras, Desra, Fener, Galain, Jalan, Kalse, Kedeviss, Omtose, Ryadd Eleis, Silchas Ruin, Tellan, Trake, Ultama, Venesara

8 votes to lynch, 8 to go to night.

Does anyone else think we should take a closer look at this first scene?

The leader was explicitly killed by his second in command. Given the setup and starting description I don't think this is just "flavour" that was applied to a generic NK. I think it was a scene setup specifically for this scenario. I think what happened to D'rek was kind of like a 1 time vig-slash-overthrow

In my opinion this is incredibly useful information because it tells us that

( A ) second in commands can kill their own leaders under certain circumstances (only some of them if the setup from PS is to be belived)
and
( B ) there was only one "regular" NK last night, so we aren't looking at a 3 day game, or facing multiple NKs per day.

Any thoughts?

The Title and story of this game indicates that within the chaos, people will be looking for ways to advance their own agendas, climbing the totem pole so to speak. I really would not be surprised if Shin created a game where the war between multiple factions is tempered by war within the factions; hence his hints that the game's course was based on what people wanted to get out of it.

[Omtose]

Tellan, on 23 July 2014 - 11:24 AM, said:

Ok finally able to get some thoughts on thread. This interaction D1 caught my eye. Omtose starts trying to put some presure on Kedeviss and immediately Fener jumps in and starts to sidetrack the though process away from looking at Kedeviss by trading insults with Omtose. then a few posts in drops off thread and Desra picks up the defense. I think either one or both are probably assassins

I noticed that incredibly quick and vehement defense yesterday as well, notice the times, I think around 15-20 minutes passed before they both leapt on me. But then, take a look at this;

Path-Shaper, on 22 July 2014 - 09:31 PM, said:

Kedeviss has been lynched. He was Blend, and the Master Assassin TENGU

it may have been careful phrasing from PS, but it mentions THE master assassin. is there any indication at the moment that there was/is more than one? I the end, in either case the defense of a independant player in a faction game on day 1 is so unlikely that I don't really think its worth looking at.

[Omtose]

Tellan, on 23 July 2014 - 11:38 AM, said:

Omtose, on 23 July 2014 - 11:31 AM, said:

Does anyone else think we should take a closer look at this first scene?

The leader was explicitly killed by his second in command. Given the setup and starting description I don't think this is just "flavour" that was applied to a generic NK. I think it was a scene setup specifically for this scenario. I think what happened to D'rek was kind of like a 1 time vig-slash-overthrow

In my opinion this is incredibly useful information because it tells us that

( A ) second in commands can kill their own leaders under certain circumstances (only some of them if the setup from PS is to be belived)
and
( B ) there was only one "regular" NK last night, so we aren't looking at a 3 day game, or facing multiple NKs per day.

Any thoughts?

Well the question is do the seconds know their leader? Or was that an oops? Are you saying you know who your leader is cause I sure dont know who anyone else in my faction is.

1. I never said seconds know their leaders. I said seconds can KILL their own leaders. It could be an ability that says "replace leader" or some shit, and be as simple as that for them
2. Since that leader got killed on Night 1, im guessing it's a pretty good bet that THAT second knew his leader at the very least. But now that you have me thinking about it, is there any rule or indication that the factions are symmetrical?

Even in the case of the second having day find and night kills those are some LONG odds of finding the leader and NKing them, or NOT finding the leader and NKing someone else who turned out to be the leader. I'm betting pretty heavily on "it wasn't random"

And to directly answer your question, I don't know anyone else in my faction either.

[Omtose]

Fener, on 23 July 2014 - 10:43 AM, said:

Ultama and Trake have amazingly large 3 posts a piece.




So I'm going to

Vote The Tiger of Summer, The Lord of War, The Great Whiskered One

And then go to bed as well. Hopefully people get a bit more chatty today.

I dislike this vote from Fener, it doesn't accomplish anything, as has been discussed to death in the last few months in practically every game, yet here we are with people still doing it. It has been shown multiple times that these votes don't get the people they name to come on and post more often. So it's starting to be, to me, an indicator of people trying to look like they are making decisions and putting on pressue without risking anything.

[Tellan]

Omtose, on 23 July 2014 - 12:34 PM, said:

Fener, on 23 July 2014 - 10:43 AM, said:

Ultama and Trake have amazingly large 3 posts a piece.




So I'm going to

Vote The Tiger of Summer, The Lord of War, The Great Whiskered One

And then go to bed as well. Hopefully people get a bit more chatty today.

I dislike this vote from Fener, it doesn't accomplish anything, as has been discussed to death in the last few months in practically every game, yet here we are with people still doing it. It has been shown multiple times that these votes don't get the people they name to come on and post more often. So it's starting to be, to me, an indicator of people trying to look like they are making decisions and putting on pressue without risking anything.

I was getting ready to type up something resembling that remark. Not only that but you also have to take into account that it is a drive by vote and a pot-kettle situation.

[Galain]

Omtose, on 23 July 2014 - 12:09 PM, said:

Tellan, on 23 July 2014 - 11:38 AM, said:

Omtose, on 23 July 2014 - 11:31 AM, said:

Does anyone else think we should take a closer look at this first scene?

The leader was explicitly killed by his second in command. Given the setup and starting description I don't think this is just "flavour" that was applied to a generic NK. I think it was a scene setup specifically for this scenario. I think what happened to D'rek was kind of like a 1 time vig-slash-overthrow

In my opinion this is incredibly useful information because it tells us that

( A ) second in commands can kill their own leaders under certain circumstances (only some of them if the setup from PS is to be belived)
and
( B ) there was only one "regular" NK last night, so we aren't looking at a 3 day game, or facing multiple NKs per day.

Any thoughts?

Well the question is do the seconds know their leader? Or was that an oops? Are you saying you know who your leader is cause I sure dont know who anyone else in my faction is.

1. I never said seconds know their leaders. I said seconds can KILL their own leaders. It could be an ability that says "replace leader" or some shit, and be as simple as that for them
2. Since that leader got killed on Night 1, im guessing it's a pretty good bet that THAT second knew his leader at the very least. But now that you have me thinking about it, is there any rule or indication that the factions are symmetrical?

Even in the case of the second having day find and night kills those are some LONG odds of finding the leader and NKing them, or NOT finding the leader and NKing someone else who turned out to be the leader. I'm betting pretty heavily on "it wasn't random"

And to directly answer your question, I don't know anyone else in my faction either.

This is awfully specific for role speculation.

Edit: fixed tags for underline

This post has been edited by Galain: 23 July 2014 - 12:41 PM

[Omtose]

Tellan, on 23 July 2014 - 12:35 PM, said:

I was getting ready to type up something resembling that remark. Not only that but you also have to take into account that it is a drive by vote and a pot-kettle situation.

Sadly 12 posts can't even be called low posting in this game yet. Hope people shape up and get active soon.

What do you think about the rest of the stuff I have posted? getting lonely throwing all this out there and having to wait a few hours for people to wake up on the other side of the ocean for them to respond.

[Desra]

Back for today, I'll get caught up as time allows

[Galain]

vote tellan
I believe you are a second, and if you are my team's second, you are too stupid to keep.

[Omtose]

Galain, on 23 July 2014 - 12:39 PM, said:

Omtose, on 23 July 2014 - 12:09 PM, said:

Tellan, on 23 July 2014 - 11:38 AM, said:

Omtose, on 23 July 2014 - 11:31 AM, said:

Does anyone else think we should take a closer look at this first scene?

The leader was explicitly killed by his second in command. Given the setup and starting description I don't think this is just "flavour" that was applied to a generic NK. I think it was a scene setup specifically for this scenario. I think what happened to D'rek was kind of like a 1 time vig-slash-overthrow

In my opinion this is incredibly useful information because it tells us that

( A ) second in commands can kill their own leaders under certain circumstances (only some of them if the setup from PS is to be belived)
and
( B ) there was only one "regular" NK last night, so we aren't looking at a 3 day game, or facing multiple NKs per day.

Any thoughts?

Well the question is do the seconds know their leader? Or was that an oops? Are you saying you know who your leader is cause I sure dont know who anyone else in my faction is.

1. I never said seconds know their leaders. I said seconds can KILL their own leaders. It could be an ability that says "replace leader" or some shit, and be as simple as that for them
2. Since that leader got killed on Night 1, im guessing it's a pretty good bet that THAT second knew his leader at the very least. But now that you have me thinking about it, is there any rule or indication that the factions are symmetrical?

Even in the case of the second having day find and night kills those are some LONG odds of finding the leader and NKing them, or NOT finding the leader and NKing someone else who turned out to be the leader. I'm betting pretty heavily on "it wasn't random"

And to directly answer your question, I don't know anyone else in my faction either.

This is awfully specific for role speculation.

Edit: fixed tags for underline

I am not jumping through hoops here.

1. It was night 1, there was no possibility for anyone to perform night actions of any kind before that NK. This normally includes I don't know... EVERYTHING?
2. The leader was killed by his second.

So either

1. The second knew his leader before he killed him
2. The second killed his leader without knowing him
3. The second has a NK and clipped the leader by accident and the scene just poked fun at it (how likely is that, seriously)

And yes, this is awfully specific, because it is the only mechanic that that has even been POSSIBLY shown. We don't even know if it WAS what happened, but I think its worth talking about. Not just talking about me talking about it.

[Tellan]

Galain, on 23 July 2014 - 12:46 PM, said:

vote tellan
I believe you are a second, and if you are my team's second, you are too stupid to keep.

Well thats interesting I suppose

[Shinrei]

It is Day 2. 20 hours and 44 minutes of day are left.

11 players are alive:
Anthras, Desra, Fener, Galain, Jalan, Kalse, Omtose, Silchas Ruin, Tellan, Trake, Ultama

6 votes to lynch, 6 to go to night

1 vote Trake: Fener
1 vote Tellan: Galain

Players not voting: Anthras, Desra, Jalan, Kalse, Omtose, Silchas Ruin, Tellan, Trake, Ultama

[Omtose]

Tellan, on 23 July 2014 - 12:49 PM, said:

Galain, on 23 July 2014 - 12:46 PM, said:

vote tellan
I believe you are a second, and if you are my team's second, you are too stupid to keep.

Well thats interesting I suppose

Yeah, this combined with his resistance to even discussing hypothetical mechanics is intruiging, but I don't yet know why he would act this way?


Galain can you expand a bit on why you think he is a second and why you think that means he should die no matter what?

[Tellan]

Hmmm.....so are you assuming that I started as 2nd or, if possible, I was promoted?

[Jalan]

Whilst reading up I noticed something strange. Maybe Anthras can shed some light on it?

Anthras, on 22 July 2014 - 07:50 PM, said:

I just want to throw this out there: we have 5 players out of 14 with 2 or fewer posts. I understand the thread was dead for the first 24 hours or so, but still, that's a bit ridiculous

This on its own is fine but..

Venesara, on 22 July 2014 - 08:19 PM, said:

PathShaper has my reasons for my delay, and I assure you they are valid. Simply put, some of us can't always be as present on thread as one would like. This is a faction game, though. During a normal scum and town game, everyone's input is needed in order to attempt to figure out scum from town. This faction game is quite different from a perspective of how much players participate. Faction games lend me to believe that patience is more important than in normal games.

Town can't band together and accuse someone of scum. Here, we have to take into account that we are likely going after someone of our own faction. If someone finds a reason to claim an individual as a specific faction, then we're left with a scenario where those who don't vote must be revealing as being on the same team, while those who continue to push a vote reveal as not on that faction.

Quite a different dance than some of our new players are used to. I for one, can't say I've missed much up until now. Everyone held their thoughts close before the 24 hour deadline, which speaks volumes.

All I see us left with right now, is a lynch in process on Kedeviss, which is standard for today. It could have been anyone today.

vote Kedeviss

I went back and read through the OP and then searched for other references but only these two players mentioned this. What did they mean about the first 24 hours? How was that significant? Anthras care to share?

[Shinrei]

The forces marshaled, the generals viewed their troops carefully arrayed and on the move. The field of battle was, for better or worse, chosen. This summer would see consolidation of power, or so the gods decreed. Short and bloody, or long and drawn out. As we all suspect, in some seasons the gods wish for blood.

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[Galain]

Omtose, on 23 July 2014 - 12:55 PM, said:

Tellan, on 23 July 2014 - 12:49 PM, said:

Galain, on 23 July 2014 - 12:46 PM, said:

vote tellan
I believe you are a second, and if you are my team's second, you are too stupid to keep.

Well thats interesting I suppose

Yeah, this combined with his resistance to even discussing hypothetical mechanics is intruiging, but I don't yet know why he would act this way?


Galain can you expand a bit on why you think he is a second and why you think that means he should die no matter what?

His speculation on the seconds role is too detailed as I commented in an earlier post. Playing the odds, it is unlikely that he is my second.

[Omtose]

Galain, on 23 July 2014 - 01:04 PM, said:

Omtose, on 23 July 2014 - 12:55 PM, said:

Tellan, on 23 July 2014 - 12:49 PM, said:

Galain, on 23 July 2014 - 12:46 PM, said:

vote tellan
I believe you are a second, and if you are my team's second, you are too stupid to keep.

Well thats interesting I suppose

Yeah, this combined with his resistance to even discussing hypothetical mechanics is intruiging, but I don't yet know why he would act this way?


Galain can you expand a bit on why you think he is a second and why you think that means he should die no matter what?

His speculation on the seconds role is too detailed as I commented in an earlier post. Playing the odds, it is unlikely that he is my second.

Wait, WHAT.

[Jalan]

Omtose, on 23 July 2014 - 10:25 AM, said:

Jalan, on 22 July 2014 - 03:47 PM, said:

The intensity of that post by Kedeviss does warrant a closer look.

Not only that but Kedeviss seems to think that a lynch on day one in a faction game is important, when we need to be really careful who we choose in case they are on our team.

The last bit of his post contradicts the no NK statement as he is talking about having a bit of death to start a culture hunt. It is a bit strange as he is the only option at the moment (for the lynch) and he hasn't provided us with an alternative.

19 minutes after Ryadd puts a serious vote on kedeviss Jalan pops up agreeing wholeheartedly and adding a (incorrect?) argument of his own against kedeviss

There there is a looong pissing match between various players. Silchas Ruin comes close to defending Jalan and Ryadd but skrits the edge pretty well so I think he is just arguing with Kedeviss.

I do not think you read this turn of events properly at all. I questioned Kedeviss further before voting him..

Kedeviss, on 22 July 2014 - 04:11 PM, said:

Jalan, on 22 July 2014 - 03:56 PM, said:

That does not prove one way or another what faction Fener is in, or that he is high up in that faction, so what are you trying to imply about Fener?

What I am trying to imply about him is that he's trying to muddy the waters right off the bat. I think that the only way we're going to keep people discussing actual game possibilities is by calling people out on blatant misconceptions.

I don't know what faction Fener is in, I don't know what faction anyone is in. I DO believe that the only way we get to start faction hunting is by actually killing off someone. I'm upset that the easy target is going to end up being me, but I can't really do anything about the sheep mentality of this thread.

Here, I was fishing for more information from Kedeviss. I did not like his reply.

The reason I voted Kedeviss is here;

Jalan, on 22 July 2014 - 04:17 PM, said:

Kedeviss, on 22 July 2014 - 04:08 PM, said:

Completely OMGUS if you ask me - he's all like "Ked asking me if I'm dense hurt my feelings, so he must be some kind of power player because we all know how power players stick their necks out on Day 1, DERRRRRR."

I think it's odd that there's no consideration of the idea that I could be, I dunno, trying to attract the votes, or, I dunno, actually annoyed at the idiocy of him saying something completely idiotic...

Why would you be trying to attract the votes?

Kedeviss, on 22 July 2014 - 04:11 PM, said:

Jalan, on 22 July 2014 - 03:56 PM, said:

That does not prove one way or another what faction Fener is in, or that he is high up in that faction, so what are you trying to imply about Fener?

What I am trying to imply about him is that he's trying to muddy the waters right off the bat. I think that the only way we're going to keep people discussing actual game possibilities is by calling people out on blatant misconceptions.

I don't know what faction Fener is in, I don't know what faction anyone is in. I DO believe that the only way we get to start faction hunting is by actually killing off someone. I'm upset that the easy target is going to end up being me, but I can't really do anything about the sheep mentality of this thread.

So, lets just say Fener is in your faction, are you saying that you are more important than him?

You are saying that we should lynch someone, as long as that someone isn't you, and that you don't care who we lynch, am I correct?

It does seem like you are not playing for your team or your faction and are on some sort of solo mission.

Vote Kedeviss

Now I think I caught that pretty much spot on. He was playing for himself and not for a faction.


I do not know how you are interpreting what I said differently.